ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread

Melodi

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Thank you, I did see some parallels with 1939, but more with 1914 for all the reasons you mentioned - I guess this time I really will have to try to finish The Guns of August, but it is such a depressing book (for good reasons).
 
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Melodi said:
Thank you, I did see some parallels with 1939, but more with 1914 for all the reasons you mentioned - I guess this time I really will have to try to finish The Guns of August, but it is such a depressing book (for good reasons).
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another good book about the events of 1914 is 'sleepwalkers'. i'll send you a copy. one of the best history books, besides ' guns of august ' i have ever read.
 
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I’ve been pondering the oft referred to olympics…why is it such a big cog in the invasion plans of either country. No one outside of athletes gives a hoot, some have boycotted it???
 
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Update: U.S. Senator Marco Rubio...
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Marco Rubio

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It is now almost certain that Putin will attempt to occupy at least parts of Ukraine very soon
 
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Michael Kofman

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Russian preparations for an operation are steadily advancing. Support and logistics trickling in, formations with personnel sent from Eastern MD. The outlook, in my view, has grown worse.
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Dara Massicot

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Russia hasn’t stopped troop flow. If talks fail this week with no future discussions—it probably spells the end of the strategic warning period. Once that period ends, there will only be tactical warning left for Ukraine. Things like: when RS forces are in place & when ops start.
 
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U.S. claiming Russia has a possible False Flag ready to go...
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Andrea Mitchell

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NSA @JakeSullivan46 says U.S. has intelligence that Russia is laying the groundwork to have the option of fabricating claims that Ukraine is preparing an imminent attack on Russian forces in eastern Ukraine as a pretext for an invasion of Ukraine
 
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Oreally said:
melodi, i think this is a combination of 1914 and 1939.

1914: interlocked alliances. an unacceptable ultimatum. clueless leaders. new, poorly understood weapons

1939: an intent to start shit. a false flag (coming here maybe), irredentist demands.

WW1: 5 mil

WWII: 50 mil

WWIII: not looking good by precedent..

i don't think it matters now where you are when it kicks off.
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WWI - League of Nations

WWII - United Nations

WWIII - ???
 
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U.S. vows ‘decisive’ response if Russia pursues threatened deployments to Cuba, Venezuela BY MICHAEL WILNER AND NORA GÁMEZ TORRES UPDATED JANUARY 13, 2022 4:44 PM Russian President Vladimir Putin, right, shakes hands with Cuban leader Miguel Diaz-Canel during their meeting at the Novo-Ogaryovo state residence outside Moscow on Oct. 29, 2019. WASHINGTON The Biden administration responded Thursday to threats from Russian officials that Moscow could begin military deployments in Cuba and Venezuela if tensions continue to rise with the United States, vowing a “decisive” response if it sees any evidence that the threat is real. Russia’s deputy foreign minister, Sergei Ryabkov, told state television Thursday that he could “neither confirm nor exclude” the potential deployments. Russian media followed up on the remarks with a report that agents from Russia’s spy agency, the FSB, had visited the two Western Hemisphere countries in recent days. “I’m not going to respond to bluster in the public commentary,” National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan told reporters on Thursday. “If Russia were to move in that direction, we would deal with it decisively.” TOP VIDEOS × Tensions have been rising between Washington and Moscow since December, when Russia began amassing tens of thousands of troops on its border with Ukraine. Russian officials, including President Vladimir Putin, have not ruled out an invasion. Talks have taken place among Russian, American, European and NATO officials over the past three days across Europe, but officials have not reported any breakthroughs. Sullivan said that the Russian diplomats had not mentioned the prospect of military deployments in Cuba or Venezuela during their meetings. News alerts in your inbox Sign up for email alerts and be the first to know when news breaks. SIGN UP This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply. The Associated Press was first to report on Ryabkov’s comments. Some Cuban exiles have been closely watching the Biden administration’s standoff with Russia and China, with the hopes that a new geopolitical realignment would entice the Biden administration to claim Cuba in the U.S. circle of influence and more actively seek regime change on the island. Ryabkov’s comments could add to the speculation that the Caribbean island could again become entangled in a replay of the Cuban missile crisis. The governments of Cuba and Venezuela have not publicly responded to the comments. The Cuban Embassy in Washington did not immediately respond to a request for comment. As tensions grew between Havana and Washington during the Trump administration, Russia has become closer to the communist island, approving loans and increasing military cooperation. A senior-level official of the Russian Ministry of Defense quoted by the U.S.-Cuba Trade and Economic Council estimated that a “robust” presence in Cuba would bring millions in spending for infrastructure upgrades of airports and ports. The Russian official estimated that the economic impact of having up to 2,500 Russian civilian and military forces in Cuba could bring $100 million annually to the Cuban government. Russia could also pay an additional fee to Cuban authorities as it did in the past for hosting the Lourdes intelligence listening post near Havana.

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All of them shook hands and hugged. Then they all signed a contract. One of them said, "We're sure that Korea and Cuba will be on our side, too. Without a doubt, together, we can destroy America."( Dumitri Duduman)
 
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Two NATO carrier groups will sail north for exercise Cold Response
As Russia deploys the new 3M22 Tsirkon anti-ship hypersonic missile in the Barents Sea, NATO has decided to send two of its most potent naval weapons to the Norwegian-led Exercise Cold Response, the aircraft carriers "HMS Prince of Wales" and the "USS Harry S Truman".
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Thomas Nilsen

January 13, 2022


With the aim to train reinforcement of northern Norway, Cold Response will be the largest NATO exercise inside the Arctic Circle since the 1980s. Some 35,000 soldiers from 28 nations will participate and a significant portion of the training that kicks off in March will be at sea and in the air.
Preparation for the long-time planned exercise is already well underway and is not directly linked to the current standoff between NATO and Moscow over Russia’s massive military buildup of troops at Ukraine’s border. However, a conflict in eastern Europe could spill over to the Arctic as the Kola Peninsula is home to some of Russia’s most powerful weapon systems, including hypersonic cruise missiles and the naval component of the strategic nuclear triad.
On December 24, President Vladimir Putin said his military forces successfully fired a simultaneous salvo of the Tsirkon hypersonic missile. The weapon is now ready for deployment with the Northern Fleet on both frigates and the 4th generation multi-purpose submarines of the Yasen-class.
Launched from the Russian sector of the Barents Sea, the Tsirkon missiles could reach targets in the Norwegian Sea in about 10 to 15 minutes if Moscow in a war conflict chose to activate its Bastion defense concept aimed at denying NATO forces control of the Norwegian and Greenland seas.

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Launched from the Russian sector of the Barents Sea, the Tsirkon-missile can reach targets in the Norwegian Sea outside the coast of Nordland. Illustration: Barents Observer / Google map.

Russian military observers posit that Tsirkon, with ability to maneuver mid-flight, easily can bypass any US or British carrier groups’ surface-to-air self-protection systems.
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On January 11, the United Kingdom’s Royal Navy announced that its newest aircraft carrier, the “HMS Prince of Wales”, will sail to the Arctic to lead naval involvement in the large-scale Norwegian-led exercise Cold Response.
“NATO is the cornerstone of the UK defence and our commitment to the alliance is absolute and it is a privilege to be the UK Maritime Component Commander moving into our vital role this year,” said Rear Admiral Mike Utley, Commander UK Strike Force.
“The Royal Navy is global, modern, ready and well placed to support NATO in all its endeavours,” Utley said.
For the next 12 months, the “HMS Prince of Wales” is responsible for leading NATO’s Maritime High Readiness Force, a task group formed to deal with major global events.

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The 280 meters long “HMS Prince of Wales” sails along with escorts and support ships. Photo: Mark Johnson / ©UK Ministry of Defence

The brand new aircraft carrier is the second in the Queen Elizabeth-class and can operate an air wing of 24 to 36 F-35 fighter jets and 14 helicopters, including the Apache that Britain’s Armed Forces first time started to train with from Bardufoss air station in Arctic Norway in 2019.
Cold Response 2022 (CR22) kicks off in the second half of March and will continue to the beginning of April.
US carrier group
First intended to sail through the Suez into the Gulf, the American carrier group “USS Harry S Truman” has due to Russia’s military threat to Ukraine been held in the Eastern Mediterranean. Norway’s frigate “Fridtjof Nansen” is part of the carrier group.
Norway’s Minister of Defense, Odd Roger Enoksen, said in an interview with newspaper VG this week that the American carrier group and the Norwegian frigate in February will sail to the North Atlantic where the plan is to take part in the NATO exercise Cold Response 2022.
During NATO’s Trident Juncture exercise in 2018, the US aircraft carrier “USS Harry S. Truman“ sailed north of the Arctic Circle in the Norwegian Sea for the first time since the collapse of the Soviet Union. The carrier stayed in the waters around Lofoten archipelago.
“USS Harry S Truman” (CVN-75) is of the Nimitz-class and can bring 90 fighter jets and helicopters. The ship is powered by two nuclear reactors.

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Aircraft carrier “USS Harry S Truman”. Photo: US Navy, Public DomainLand, sea and air
According to the latest update from the Norwegian Armed Forces, Exercise Cold Response will consist of 14,000 soldiers on land, 13,000 at sea and 8,000 serving aircraft and headquarters at different bases.
In times of growing distrust between Russia and Europe, Norway seeks to build its security in partnership with NATO allies and Nordic neighbors.

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Norway’s Porsangermoen military camp in Finnmark. Photo: Thomas Nilsen

The main action during Cold Response 2022 will be by navy and air force capacities in the Ofoten area.
The region is near to the Army’s northern brigade and training areas where U.S., British and Dutch soldiers frequently drill Arctic warfare. This week, the first British soldiers arrived at Bardufoss air station, preparing for the winter exercise.
Ofoten is also home to Evenes airport where Norway’s new fleet of P8 Poseidon maritime surveillance planes will be based together with NATO’s two northernmost Quick Reaction Alert (QRA) F-35s fighter jets on standby to meet Russian military planes flying near Norwegian air space. For NATO and the Nordic countries’ defense partnership, Ofoten is core strategic important in case of a larger global conflict involving Russia in the North-Atlantic.
The area is about 600 kilometers from the Kola Peninsula where the Northern Fleet’s nuclear submarines are based.
Russia invited
Head of the Norwegian Armed Forces, General Eirik Kristoffersen, said to the Barents Observer last year that Russia is informed about the exercise “in accordance with international standards and agreements.”
Under the Vienna Document, member states in the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) invite each other to observe military exercises.
“Russia will be invited to observe Cold Response 2022,” Kristoffersen said.
Following Moscow’s annexation of Crimea in 2014, Oslo, like most other NATO members, cut defense ties with Russia. The Norwegians, though, maintain a hotline from the military Headquarters near Bodø to the Northern Fleet Headquarters in Severomorsk.
On Thursday, the OSCE’s Permanent Council met in Vienna aimed at defusing tensions on Russia’s border to Ukraine and other security-related matters in Europe. The meeting is the third in a row this week where the escalating military troubles are up for discussion. First, Russia and the US held bilateral talks and on Wednesday, a meeting of the NATO-Russia Council took place.
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Two NATO carrier groups will sail north for exercise Cold Response

As Russia deploys the new 3M22 Tsirkon anti-ship hypersonic missile in the Barents Sea, NATO has decided to send two of its most potent naval weapons to the Norwegian-led Exercise Cold Response, the aircraft carriers "HMS Prince of Wales" and the "USS Harry S Truman".
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Gee, Oreally did we take an optimism pill? :jstr:
I,m going to make you an honorary member of the Doomer Doug fan club. You are the first member so you will have to FED EX my case of vodka. :D An RPG grenade launcher would be nice too, but only if you don't need it.
 
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Michael Kofman
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Russian preparations for an operation are steadily advancing. Support and logistics trickling in, formations with personnel sent from Eastern MD. The outlook, in my view, has grown worse.
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Dara Massicot

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Russia hasn’t stopped troop flow. If talks fail this week with no future discussions—it probably spells the end of the strategic warning period. Once that period ends, there will only be tactical warning left for Ukraine. Things like: when RS forces are in place & when ops start.
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If talks fail? Um THE TALKS DID FAIL!!!
 
Doomer Doug

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The two carrier deployment reminds me of the Royal Navy sending the Prince of Wales and Repulse on 12-10-1941 to break up Japanese beach landings off of Northern Malaysia, and with no air cover. Imperial Japanese air and naval forces sank them both.


Hypersonic missiles could sink every ship with ease.
Certainly start WWW3 with a bang.
 
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Doomer Doug said:
The two carrier deployment reminds me of the Royal Navy sending the Prince of Wales and Repulse on 12-10-1941 to break up Japanese beach landings off of Northern Malaysia, and with no air cover. Imperial Japanese air and naval forces sank them both.


Hypersonic missiles could sink every ship with ease.
Certainly start WWW3 with a bang.
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The sinking of Prince of Wales and Repulse was a naval engagement in World War II, as part of the war in the Pacific, that took place on 10 December 1941 in the South China Sea off the east coast of the British colony of Malaya (present-day Malaysia), 70 miles (61 nautical miles; 110 kilometres) east of Kuantan, Pahang. The Royal Navy battleship HMS Prince of Wales and battlecruiser HMS Repulse were sunk by land-based bombers and torpedo bombers of the Imperial Japanese Navy. In Japanese, the engagement was referred to as the Naval Battle of Malaya (マレー沖海戦, Marē-oki kaisen).

The objective of Force Z, which consisted of one battleship, one battlecruiser and four destroyers, was to intercept the Japanese invasion fleet in the South China Sea north of Malaya. The task force sailed without air support. Although the British had a close encounter with Japanese heavy surface units, the force failed to find and destroy the main convoy. On their return to Singapore they were attacked in open waters and sunk by long-range torpedo bombers. The commander of Force Z, Admiral Sir Tom Phillips, elected to maintain radio silence and an alert was only sent (by the Repulse) one hour after the first Japanese attack.

With the attack on Pearl Harbor only three days earlier, the Malayan engagement illustrated the effectiveness of aerial attacks against even the heaviest of naval assets if they were without air cover. This added to the importance for the Allies of the three USN aircraft carriers in the Pacific: USS Enterprise, Lexington, and Saratoga.[N 1] The sinking of the two ships severely weakened the British Eastern Fleet in Singapore, and the Japanese fleet was only engaged by submarines until the Battle off Endau on 27 January 1942.
 
Doomer Doug

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The Russians read history too. Baiting the grizzly bear AGAIN

Russia understands both symbolism and sending a message.
I wonder if the NATO clods realize what they have done.?
 
Marie

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U.S. vows ‘decisive’ response if Russia pursues threatened deployments to Cuba, Venezuela BY MICHAEL WILNER AND NORA GÁMEZ TORRES UPDATED JANUARY 13, 2022 4:44 PM Russian President Vladimir Putin, right, shakes hands with Cuban leader Miguel Diaz-Canel during their meeting at the Novo-Ogaryovo state residence outside Moscow on Oct. 29, 2019. WASHINGTON The Biden administration responded Thursday to threats from Russian officials that Moscow could begin military deployments in Cuba and Venezuela if tensions continue to rise with the United States, vowing a “decisive” response if it sees any evidence that the threat is real. Russia’s deputy foreign minister, Sergei Ryabkov, told state television Thursday that he could “neither confirm nor exclude” the potential deployments. Russian media followed up on the remarks with a report that agents from Russia’s spy agency, the FSB, had visited the two Western Hemisphere countries in recent days. “I’m not going to respond to bluster in the public commentary,” National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan told reporters on Thursday. “If Russia were to move in that direction, we would deal with it decisively.” TOP VIDEOS × Tensions have been rising between Washington and Moscow since December, when Russia began amassing tens of thousands of troops on its border with Ukraine. Russian officials, including President Vladimir Putin, have not ruled out an invasion. Talks have taken place among Russian, American, European and NATO officials over the past three days across Europe, but officials have not reported any breakthroughs. Sullivan said that the Russian diplomats had not mentioned the prospect of military deployments in Cuba or Venezuela during their meetings. News alerts in your inbox Sign up for email alerts and be the first to know when news breaks. SIGN UP This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply. The Associated Press was first to report on Ryabkov’s comments. Some Cuban exiles have been closely watching the Biden administration’s standoff with Russia and China, with the hopes that a new geopolitical realignment would entice the Biden administration to claim Cuba in the U.S. circle of influence and more actively seek regime change on the island. Ryabkov’s comments could add to the speculation that the Caribbean island could again become entangled in a replay of the Cuban missile crisis. The governments of Cuba and Venezuela have not publicly responded to the comments. The Cuban Embassy in Washington did not immediately respond to a request for comment. As tensions grew between Havana and Washington during the Trump administration, Russia has become closer to the communist island, approving loans and increasing military cooperation. A senior-level official of the Russian Ministry of Defense quoted by the U.S.-Cuba Trade and Economic Council estimated that a “robust” presence in Cuba would bring millions in spending for infrastructure upgrades of airports and ports. The Russian official estimated that the economic impact of having up to 2,500 Russian civilian and military forces in Cuba could bring $100 million annually to the Cuban government. Russia could also pay an additional fee to Cuban authorities as it did in the past for hosting the Lourdes intelligence listening post near Havana.

Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/na...icas/cuba/article257290222.html#storylink=cpy
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Shit
 
Doomer Doug

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Decisive response to any cuban deployment? :kaid: Oh just STFU. Russia and china know they can take us anytime they want to.
IMHO china has had container nukes in panama for a decade or so. The talks failed. China and Russia have ABSOLUTE MILITARY SUPERIORITY OVER US.
Our woke military doesn't stand a chance.
 
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