NoDandy
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I voted other. Your response is pretty much what I had in mind.
ALERT When Russia invades Ukraine what will USA do?
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Intestinal Fortitude
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and a sternly worded commentary.......
danielboon
TB Fanatic
Putin and XI are playin chess we are playing woke Jeremiah 51:29
Again ...
John Wall
Senior Member
Don't rule out the possibility that this is the Biblical "Rumors of War".
On another note, who is to say the current administration would not allow the devastation of this country, if a totally Socialist nation was the result? Seems that has been their goal for many years. Now, a quick way to irreversibly change this nation to a Socialist State. Food, travel, health care, housing, energy use, or lack of same (and the list goes on and one) will be regulated or denied. The Ultimate leftist Wet Dream.
On another note, who is to say the current administration would not allow the devastation of this country, if a totally Socialist nation was the result? Seems that has been their goal for many years. Now, a quick way to irreversibly change this nation to a Socialist State. Food, travel, health care, housing, energy use, or lack of same (and the list goes on and one) will be regulated or denied. The Ultimate leftist Wet Dream.
Infoscout
The Dude Abides
I am not convinced an invasion is imminent, but I do believe there will be an agreement negotiated between Russia and the US, where Ukraine does not join NATO, but is allowed to purchase defense systems from the west, but no anti missle or anti air missle technology will be sold to them. Russia holds all the cards and Europe cannot afford to stand on principle as winter approaches.
I know what Trump would do. China Joe however, will sit in the WH basement and soil himself while eating puddin cups.
AlfaMan
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I'm one of the two folks here that said nukes being used a few weeks after a Russian invasion.
When Russia moves on the Ukraine, NATO membership for the country would be almost assured. At that point the invocation of Article 5 will be a done deal; probably within 24-48 hours after they are admitted as full members.
Currently assembled NATO troops in Europe would not be able to stem a Russian full court press on the country-and NATO's
only way to slow the Russian advance down would be (initially) tactical nukes. Then it would escalate. Use your imagination as to how much things would escalate then.
Our current Comrade General Joe would take advice from his advisers-and all of them would want to nuke Russia until it glows, then shoot them in the dark. Democrats are always quick to reach for the war option. And nuclear war is something they are not afraid of.
When Russia moves on the Ukraine, NATO membership for the country would be almost assured. At that point the invocation of Article 5 will be a done deal; probably within 24-48 hours after they are admitted as full members.
Currently assembled NATO troops in Europe would not be able to stem a Russian full court press on the country-and NATO's
only way to slow the Russian advance down would be (initially) tactical nukes. Then it would escalate. Use your imagination as to how much things would escalate then.
Our current Comrade General Joe would take advice from his advisers-and all of them would want to nuke Russia until it glows, then shoot them in the dark. Democrats are always quick to reach for the war option. And nuclear war is something they are not afraid of.
LYKURGOS
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Other!
The Demoncrats/Rinos/Media are foaming at the mouth to slap Putin with sanctions and push their weight around. They are trying to drum up a good regional conflict to spend more military industrial tax dollars. The MIC (military industrial complex) has had to take a back seat the last 4 years of Trump and is especially jealous of all the $$$$ going to the (medical, pharmacutical complex) MPC. When Trump strenthened the Military it was not by dropping bombs or putting men and women into harms way. Instead it was strengthening the Vetrans support networks and helping the down stream impacts of our decades of war in the sand box.
I think if there is a conflict it will be like the Maine or Gulf of Tonkin incidents. Completely fabricated to sell Tomahawks and J-dams. Russia will only invade if we do some really stupid crap. They have the port at Sevastopol, do we really think they want to ocupy Ukraine and fight a gurilla style war for 20 years??
But then again look who is the current resident of 1600 Penn!! Stupid is the defining quality.
The Demoncrats/Rinos/Media are foaming at the mouth to slap Putin with sanctions and push their weight around. They are trying to drum up a good regional conflict to spend more military industrial tax dollars. The MIC (military industrial complex) has had to take a back seat the last 4 years of Trump and is especially jealous of all the $$$$ going to the (medical, pharmacutical complex) MPC. When Trump strenthened the Military it was not by dropping bombs or putting men and women into harms way. Instead it was strengthening the Vetrans support networks and helping the down stream impacts of our decades of war in the sand box.
I think if there is a conflict it will be like the Maine or Gulf of Tonkin incidents. Completely fabricated to sell Tomahawks and J-dams. Russia will only invade if we do some really stupid crap. They have the port at Sevastopol, do we really think they want to ocupy Ukraine and fight a gurilla style war for 20 years??
But then again look who is the current resident of 1600 Penn!! Stupid is the defining quality.
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AlfaMan, there is absolutely NO WAY that the US would go after Russia unilaterally. Also, there is absolutely NO WAY that the NATO countries would agree to defend Ukraine. The only possibility for that country would be a UN declaration supporting armed intervention. And that, sir, is already dead and buried.
Also, about four years ago, I posted that my mentor at one of my assignments was Russian. His father was a big-time businessman who had extensive dealings in Ukraine. The father reported back that the citizens of Ukraine were desperate to have russia take them back over, because since they originally separated, they’ve been ruled by crooks. They know that Russia would at least rule honestly.
In short, the Ukrainian people strongly support the “invasion.” The “crisis” is entirely manufactured by the (surprise) western MSM.
Also, about four years ago, I posted that my mentor at one of my assignments was Russian. His father was a big-time businessman who had extensive dealings in Ukraine. The father reported back that the citizens of Ukraine were desperate to have russia take them back over, because since they originally separated, they’ve been ruled by crooks. They know that Russia would at least rule honestly.
In short, the Ukrainian people strongly support the “invasion.” The “crisis” is entirely manufactured by the (surprise) western MSM.
Crusty Echo 7
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He’ll nuke his drawers first!
rob0126
Veteran Member
if that happens, they better break out the antigravity machines or america is truly toast.
SurfaceTension
Veteran Member
Conveniently announce that COVID Strains "Pi" and "Rho" have been discovered simultaneously and they could be the end of life as we know it. Announce new emergency lock-downs. Ukraine? It's just some distant land that is below-the-fold/c-block news when we're facing imminent death (or nearly as bad, symptoms akin to the common cold) . Change subject to the real threat, domestic terrorists.
Sometimes past performance actually does indicate future results.
Sometimes past performance actually does indicate future results.
blueinterceptor
Veteran Member
Nothing meaningful
If Russia invades Ukraine?
(snicker snort)
I don't know that biden would do anything if the Russians invaded California.
(snicker snort)
I don't know that biden would do anything if the Russians invaded California.
WildDaisy
God has a plan, Trust it!
Because for the first time in many, many years - HE CAN. He can do whatever he wants and he knows the US government is impotent to do anything. They will just kinda go limp, and flap in the wind and he's free to do whatever it wants with nothing more than a figer-waging.
northern watch
TB Fanatic
It is for that very reason, I suspect a Russian invasion of the Ukraine is very soon.
Doomer Doug
TB Fanatic
Biden will have to send troops to defend the Ukraine or else have the USA foreign policy collapse even worse than Afghanistan.
Illini Warrior
Illini Warrior
Russia knows that if there's a single Russian soldier on that Western Front border >>> Biden isn't sending in the armor that is sitting in Poland - NATO then has their excuse to do likewise - a successful "tripwire" invasion will open the door for follow-up deployment from the sea and neighboring countries - Russia will have tanks sitting nose-to-nose with US tanks within 48 hours ....
it's what Russia does next is the big question - be willing to bet Biden orders a pull back - leaving Bulgaria and Poland naked - could see them pulling out of NATO - doing more harm than good .....
it's what Russia does next is the big question - be willing to bet Biden orders a pull back - leaving Bulgaria and Poland naked - could see them pulling out of NATO - doing more harm than good .....
I say Biden stays where he is and waits for Putin's response. Any invasion will be met with economic sanctions per Biden. If Putin is willing to take the economic hit or has a resolution for it, then there will be a Russian invasion in our near future. As I asked before, I'm not sure what Vlad wants. Why the build up?
SouthernBreeze
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Delete. I need to check the BS more often.
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Johnny Reb
Senior Member
Reportedly the Biden clown circus is already planning civilian evacuations. Thus the call with the EU. Betting Putin gave him a timetable similar to the Afganistan evacuation.
Jonas Parker
Hooligan
Hopefully, we'll stay the hell out of it!
Hfcomms
EN66iq
I think it's more like IF Russia invades the Ukraine and not when. If we and the NATO lackies don't put offensive missile capabilities right at Russia's border I don't think Putin relishes the dust up. Indeed he is the one who has shown responsibility when the globalists using the U.S. power projection were invading and bombing countries around the world.
Watching his news conferences and recordings over the last several years warning and imploring the US/Nato not to absorb other countries into NATO that were formerly a part of the Warsaw Pact [like we had promised] and not to attempt to move our power projection further east where it threatens Russia we've put our fingers in our ears and pretended like we didn't hear.
We are more of a paper tiger than ever and I really don't think we want to start something half way around the world where we are really going to bite off more than we can chew this time. I don't think Putin wants it but he isn't going to back down either and allow us to ring his country with offensive weapons giving us a real first strike capability.
We would really do well to mind our own business and try to fix our own problems for a change but the powers running this country are determined to run us right into the buzz saw one way or another. We should remember the Cuban missile crisis where Russia moved offensive weapons right off our shores and Kennedy was wiling to risk a nuclear war over that. Russia probably feels the same way with what is going on the last several years.
Watching his news conferences and recordings over the last several years warning and imploring the US/Nato not to absorb other countries into NATO that were formerly a part of the Warsaw Pact [like we had promised] and not to attempt to move our power projection further east where it threatens Russia we've put our fingers in our ears and pretended like we didn't hear.
We are more of a paper tiger than ever and I really don't think we want to start something half way around the world where we are really going to bite off more than we can chew this time. I don't think Putin wants it but he isn't going to back down either and allow us to ring his country with offensive weapons giving us a real first strike capability.
We would really do well to mind our own business and try to fix our own problems for a change but the powers running this country are determined to run us right into the buzz saw one way or another. We should remember the Cuban missile crisis where Russia moved offensive weapons right off our shores and Kennedy was wiling to risk a nuclear war over that. Russia probably feels the same way with what is going on the last several years.
phloydius
Veteran Member
Had an interesting game of "What If" with some interesting folk. Based on a few key opinions: (1) It is not in Russia's best interest for Ukraine to be admitted to NATO, and because of that it is also in Russia's best interest for Ukraine to be unstable (politically); (2) It is not in Russia's interest to have MAD with the US; (3) Economically (Hayeakian), Russia has a strong advantage over the US currently and full on war might reverse that; (4) A world war composed of only 2 sides would probably disrupt the BRICS ascent towards a world reserve currency.
Afterwards, I came up with an alternative scenario (the first few happened before I wrote this):
Russia, US, & NATO trade threats while Russia continues to fortify it's territory and Crimea. Russia sets up make-shift diplomatic offices in the Donetsk and Luhansk areas, and give out Russian passports (and citizenship) to those they deem meet the qualifications. Russia allows the free (civilian) travel of those with Russian passports into and out of Donetsk & Luhansk from Russia. In a faster series of events, Donetsk & Luhansk declare independence. They sign a treaty with Russia, where: 1) Russia would recognize Donetsk & Luhansk a free republics, 2) Russia would sell humanitarian supplies, DEFENSIVE arms, and technology to Donetsk & Luhansk, 3) Donetsk & Luhansk would agree to use a currency that Russia would dictate, 4) Russia would allow the DPR & LRP to send troops into Russia for advanced training. Other countries like Belarus would then recognize Donetsk & Luhansk as republics.
Much gnashing of teeth from Europe, NATO, & the US. Russia starts building permanent military bases in Russia near the borders. Donetsk & Luhansk start building wall-like structures for the border with Ukraine. Building of embassies are announced. Allied countries continue to beet the drum that Russia is going to invade, but they do not. NATO moves military units into Ukraine, and Russia counters with a series of strong economic escalations: Reducing (but not cutting off) the sale of gas to Europe, but dramatically increase the price to net benefit Russia; continue to reduce exposure to the USD and the EURO, while announcing agreements to buy/sell goods in currencies that are friendly to Russia.
Eventually Ukraine will start attacking Donetsk & Luhansk either with full force, or with small attacks. As these escalate, and Russia does NOT respond by invading (but does offer more and more military support to Donetsk & Luhansk), other countries around the world, including China, South Africa, Brazil, and India recognize Donetsk & Luhansk as independent countries. (This could take years and while waiting...)
Russia's economic actions (and likely some "third party" hacking" of US infrastructure) push the economy in the US from deflation (in early 2022) into a reverse of very high inflation (over the next 3 years). At this time, the Federal Reserve starts decoupling the rise of interest rates from the price of interest on the treasury bonds by buying large number of them to keep the yield low, while increasing the interest rate to "fight inflation", effectively monetizing all the US debt as it comes up for renewal. Every country in the world stops rebuying the t-bonds because of the low rate, effectively leaving the Federal Reserve as the only buyer. This causes the USD that are all held internationally to start coming back to the US domestic economy, causing very high inflation.
Afterwards, I came up with an alternative scenario (the first few happened before I wrote this):
Russia, US, & NATO trade threats while Russia continues to fortify it's territory and Crimea. Russia sets up make-shift diplomatic offices in the Donetsk and Luhansk areas, and give out Russian passports (and citizenship) to those they deem meet the qualifications. Russia allows the free (civilian) travel of those with Russian passports into and out of Donetsk & Luhansk from Russia. In a faster series of events, Donetsk & Luhansk declare independence. They sign a treaty with Russia, where: 1) Russia would recognize Donetsk & Luhansk a free republics, 2) Russia would sell humanitarian supplies, DEFENSIVE arms, and technology to Donetsk & Luhansk, 3) Donetsk & Luhansk would agree to use a currency that Russia would dictate, 4) Russia would allow the DPR & LRP to send troops into Russia for advanced training. Other countries like Belarus would then recognize Donetsk & Luhansk as republics.
Much gnashing of teeth from Europe, NATO, & the US. Russia starts building permanent military bases in Russia near the borders. Donetsk & Luhansk start building wall-like structures for the border with Ukraine. Building of embassies are announced. Allied countries continue to beet the drum that Russia is going to invade, but they do not. NATO moves military units into Ukraine, and Russia counters with a series of strong economic escalations: Reducing (but not cutting off) the sale of gas to Europe, but dramatically increase the price to net benefit Russia; continue to reduce exposure to the USD and the EURO, while announcing agreements to buy/sell goods in currencies that are friendly to Russia.
Eventually Ukraine will start attacking Donetsk & Luhansk either with full force, or with small attacks. As these escalate, and Russia does NOT respond by invading (but does offer more and more military support to Donetsk & Luhansk), other countries around the world, including China, South Africa, Brazil, and India recognize Donetsk & Luhansk as independent countries. (This could take years and while waiting...)
Russia's economic actions (and likely some "third party" hacking" of US infrastructure) push the economy in the US from deflation (in early 2022) into a reverse of very high inflation (over the next 3 years). At this time, the Federal Reserve starts decoupling the rise of interest rates from the price of interest on the treasury bonds by buying large number of them to keep the yield low, while increasing the interest rate to "fight inflation", effectively monetizing all the US debt as it comes up for renewal. Every country in the world stops rebuying the t-bonds because of the low rate, effectively leaving the Federal Reserve as the only buyer. This causes the USD that are all held internationally to start coming back to the US domestic economy, causing very high inflation.