CORONA Main Coronavirus thread

Binkerthebear

Veteran Member
RUSH is now on saying that coronavirus is NOT the reason the Markets are down a couple thousand points.

He hasn't said yet what "IS" the reason.
Not listening but the oil price has certainly imploded but, as a huge Rush fan, I still think CV is more of the reason. Otherwise, a low oil price should affect only energy related stocks and actually help most of the others. Maybe Rush has other ideas ... like our debt that can never be paid off or maybe he thinks the virus could get Bernie elected.
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
Not listening but the oil price has certainly imploded but, as a huge Rush fan, I still think CV is more of the reason. Otherwise, a low oil price should affect only energy related stocks and actually help most of the others. Maybe Rush has other ideas ... like our debt that can never be paid off or maybe he thinks the virus could get Bernie elected.
The China Flu did have an impact. It required the producers to restrict their production to compensate. The issue blew up when they tried to discuss a reduction. So you are correct, but it is now an Oil War for dominance and prices.
 

mzkitty

I give up.
Did this happen or was it a false alarm? I looked for a stream at 1:30pm EST and couldn't find anything.

Watch live: White House holds coronavirus briefing with markets in free-fall
Updated on: March 9, 2020 / 1:22 PM / CBS News

Members of the coronavirus task force are briefing reporters at the White House Monday at 5:30 p.m. ET, with the markets in free-fall over fears of the spreading virus.

The Trump administration has tried to push the message that it has a handle on the virus, even as it continues to spread. Dr. Anthony Fauci, a top immunologist with the National Institutes of Health, said on Sunday the country has moved past the "containment" phase and is now in the "mitigation" phase.

"We've been on this from Day One," Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar said on Fox News Monday morning.

 

vector7

Dot Collector
CORONAVIRUS BIOWEAPON: ‘A “hybrid virus” which is far more deadly, and can’t be vaccinated against’

Posted on March 9, 2020 by State of the Nation

The coronavirus (Covid-19, or whatever else you want to call it) represents a fundamental change in the way our current society operates. For this essay, I’m ONLY talking about the virus itself. I’ll follow up in the next day or two on economic impacts of it.

But let’s start off with the virus, establish the history, where it really came from, WHY, and what to do about it… then we can get on to what happens after.

BACKGROUND:

First of all, contrary to MSM stories saying it was due to people eating Bat-soup, transferred from Sloths or whatever fictional bullshit they think people would be stupid enough to believe, the virus is NOT a naturally-occurring phenomenon. It was intentionally engineered by China. I will say that this is not speculation, not a conspiracy-theory, but a fact documented by plenty of public-domain documentation, by the people that did it.

But first, the obvious question: Why would anyone be so stupid as to build something like this? The answer is quite simple: In a secret speech given to high-level Communist Party cadres nearly two decades ago, Chinese Defense Minister Gen. Chi Haotian explained a long-range plan for ensuring a Chinese national renaissance using biological weapons. The idea was to develop and deploy bio-weapons to destroy the USA, so they could literally walk in and colonize it for themselves, leaving the contaminated, destroyed land they now live on.

I strongly suggest you read the entire article for yourself; it’s quite the eye-opener.

AND NOW…

An acquaintance who happens to have a PhD in Computational Molecular Biology told me on January 17 that the coronavirus is genetically engineered. The details of the conversation aren’t germane, but he made it clear that there is no possibility that this occurred naturally. This was confirmed February 8 by the peer-reviewed Virology Journal, Vol.16, publication date April 2020, HERE.

As the authors of the paper explain in the full text, “This furin-like cleavage site… may provide a gain-of-function to the 2019-nCoV for efficient spreading in the human population.” There is an underlying implication here that is very subtle; the ONLY possible reason for this modification is the creation of a biological warfare weapon. There are no other plausible explanations.

Next, NOBODY with an ounce of intellectual honesty can argue that the release of the virus didn’t occur Wuhan, China, at the only BSL-4 lab in the entire country. Watching the growth of this, increasingly large concentric circles around that lab, as more and more people were exposed, makes this abundantly clear. Once people started flying on local airlines, coronavirus shattered any possibility of containment, and the die was cast. We’ll get back to airliners later.

Things start to get screwy when you start asking how the Chinese created such a monster as we’re now seeing…? I mean, the Chinese are damned good at stealing technology and ideas, and running with them. They’re not particularly smart thinkers and inventors, as much as thieves. So how did they develop something so new and radical as this on their own???

The answer is, they didn’t. This virus was created at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, and they published the highlights of their creation in November 2015. When you look at the list of “scholars” associated with this Frankenstein of a virus, you’ll see the name Zheng-Li Shi, who just happens to represent the Key Laboratory of Special Pathogens and Biosafety, Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan, China. Of course, there were other scientists, most representing UNC, but there were also representatives from Bellinzona Institute of Microbiology, Zurich, Switzerland and Harvard Medical School.

Keep your eye on Dr. Shi, though… From this Wikipedia article,

From 2014, Shi Zhengli was the recipient of a number of US Government grants as well as grants from the National Basic Research program of China, the Chinese Academy of Science, the National Natural Science Foundation of China, and from the Strategic Priority Research Program of Chinese Academy of Sciences, to assist in funding research into coronaviruses.

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Dr. Shi Zhengli

So this lady was paid well by the US government AND the Chinese government to fund “research into coronaviruses.”

What did we (and China) get for our money spent? In the original paper published in 2015, they stated

“Using the SARS-CoV reverse genetics system2, we generated and characterized a chimeric virus expressing the spike of bat coronavirus SHC014 in a mouse-adapted SARS-CoV backbone. The results indicate that group 2b viruses encoding the SHC014 spike in a wild-type backbone can efficiently use multiple orthologs of the SARS receptor human angiotensin converting enzyme II (ACE2), replicate efficiently in primary human airway cells and achieve in vitro titers equivalent to epidemic strains of SARS-CoV. Additionally, in vivo experiments demonstrate replication of the chimeric virus in mouse lung with notable pathogenesis. Evaluation of available SARS-based immune-therapeutic and prophylactic modalities revealed poor efficacy; both monoclonal antibody and vaccine approaches failed to neutralize and protect from infection with CoVs using the novel spike protein.”

Did you get that???

In effect, they took the Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) virus carried by bats, that was making the rounds back in 2003, and reverse-engineered the genetic coding inside the virus itself. They THEN inserted additional proteins to enhance the efficiency of the virus inside human lungs (making it more deadly), while at the same time making it extremely difficult to vaccinate against, because the new virus has multiple proteins with which to attack. (Please note the receptor designation ACE2, as you’ll see more of this again.)

Interestingly, in a footnote it says, “Cells were originally obtained from Fort Detrick.”

As they say in the 2015 paper, they created a “hybrid virus” which is far more deadly, and can’t be vaccinated against. Their new DNA genetically engineered virus constitutes a gain in pathogenesis. That’s a gain of function right there; they admit it. Pathogenesis means lethality and infectiousness. Dr. Shi learns how to perform “gain of function” operations within viruses, and then she returns to her post in Wuhan, China.

Fast-forward to November, 2019… a breach of containment occurs at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, and Patient Zero is detected somewhere between December 1 and December 12, 2019. We don’t know, at this time, the circumstances around Patient-0, if he/she is alive or dead, and how containment was breached. I suspect that the true nature of the containment breach will never be known.

Whether buried or burned in one of the dozens of incinerators that have been running in Wuhan 24×7 for the last few months, dead from the virus or from a sudden and acute case of lead poisoning, such knowledge which can embarrass a totalitarian government makes one more valuable dead than alive
[SOTN Ed. Note: It’s quite doubtful that the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak started in this manner in light of the fact that the whole world is now experiencing a series of bioterrorist attacks carried out in each nation targeted thus far.]

With the outbreak of the new coronavirus (now deemed 2019-nCoV) , Dr. Shi is one of the authors that published s THIS PAPER in January 23, 2020, saying that , stating that it is “of probable bat origin,” and “Pairwise protein sequence analysis of seven conserved non-structural proteins domains show that this virus belongs to the species of SARSr-CoV… the same cell entry receptor—angiotensin converting enzyme II (ACE2)—as SARS-CoV.”

Gee, you think?

Put simply, this is an enhanced version “hybrid virus” that they developed at UNC, with Ft. Detrick support, back in 2015. Dr. Shi knows exactly what it is, because she helped build it!

As a practical matter, what does the “gain of function” mean? Basically, that it’s built to be far more virulent and deadly, than anything seen before. This ain’t your daddy’s flu, let me tell you. And now we know that the good doctor and her team inserted HIV and MERS proteins into the coronavirus, to give it just a touch more “kick.”

How bad is it?

From the Lancet study published January 24, 2020, 83% of those exposed had respiratory distress, and of the sick, mortality was 15%, with 12% surviving but suffering cardiac injury. So that works out to about 12% of the population.

The average number of people infected by a sick person is incredibly high, some studies estimating it as has as 6.7, the factor known as R0, spoken as “R-naught.” So it’s highly communicable.

As a cherry on top, an infected person can be asymptomatic and yet contagious for up to 27 days. That is, you can be infected, yet not even know it… you spend a month going about your life, having a meal with your family at the local restaurant, go the movies, get on a plane for a meeting on the other side of the country (with a layover or two each way), you are at a hotel on your trip, a few more restaurants, a taxi-ride, tipping the doorman at the hotel… meeting with clients (or managers), secretaries, analysts, or literally bumping into someone walking down the sidewalk in the city you’re visiting…

ALL of them exposed to what your carrying, and you have no idea you’re even sick. This goes on for a month, before you start to feel a sore throat, achy, short of breath, etc.

It’s already well-documented that it doesn’t have to be by physical contact, or even sneezes. Think of when you walk by someone who’s a heavy smoker, or has bad breath. You never touch them, but molecules from them have directly entered into your nasal passages, enough for you to detect the smell. You’ve inhaled organic material from them.

With coronavirus, you can get it the same way… except there’s no smell, and you’re oblivious to what’s just happened.

When I first became aware of this virus in the middle of January, and soon after my colleague informed me of the artificial nature of some aspects of the virus, I was alerted to the ramifications. With the Lancet study detailing the mortality rate of 15%, plus the long life (of up to 14 days asymptomatic) and an R-0 at the time being quoted as ~2.5, it didn’t take long to add up that this is NOT going to be stopped, anywhere. It’ll continue on until everyone is exposed, and the ones left alive will pick up the pieces when it finally burns itself out.

Within a month of that report coming out, mid-February, the Lancet changed their tune, discussing in articles how to “tamp down fears” of the coronavirus. At the same time it became apparent that China was manipulating the numbers of infections and deaths. Unsurprisingly, the truth is now coming out via whistleblowers inside China who detail how the “recovery” from the coronavirus is all fake and trickery.

It’s bad enough that all the crematoria in Wuhan province are running at capacity, and mobile units have been brought in, all to help destroy the bodies of the dead. The mobile units have the capability to burn 1200 bodies per day. Various reports are coming out, videos of people who watched friends and family members literally wrapped in several layers of plastic bags, stuck in a box, and sent off for incineration, while they were still alive. People who die in their homes from coronavirus are not counted among the dead, nor are those who commit suicide by jumping out of their high-rise apartments in a final act of desperation.

It’s not hard to find these videos, if you do some basic searching.

Now, in all of these dark clouds, there is a bit of silver lining so far. First of all, the fatality rates in non-Asian countries has actually been substantially lower than in China. From this paper, it has been determined that those ACE2 receptors that the coronavirus attach to, are far more prevalent in Asian people than in whites or blacks- about 5x more. This might account for the mortality rate for Asians being approximately 5x higher than non-Asians. An outstanding analysis of this has been done in this Zerohedge.com summary. Bottom line, if your heritage doesn’t include China, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Vietnam or the Korean peninsula, your chances of getting through this virus unscathed are pretty strong. So, in an ironic twist fit only for a B-movie, the Frankenstein virus they’ve created may well destroy them instead of their Western enemies.

I find it fitting.

An option to help yourself with the virus:

Another aspect of this type of viral transmission is that there are certain people who just don’t seem to be affected by viruses of this type. THIS ARTICLE explain that “[t]he only people that can be infected by the 2019-n Coronavirus have less than 98.7 µg/L of Selenium in plasma or serum. Those who have enough Selenium are immune to this and all other enveloped viruses. Selenium can be obtained from Brazil nuts, Selenium pills or Astragalus tea.”

I would strongly suggest you go read this for yourself (and all the linked documentation), and go further to perform a Google search for “coronavirus” and “selenium.” You’ll be amazed at the amount of documentation that comes up… all confirming the original point. As always, YMMV, but we have to look at practical solutions to get through this first element of the virus.

Now, the rate of spread of the infection, varies from country to country, due to a variety of geographical and societal factors, as well as the proliferation of air-travel (the PERFECT means to contaminate as many people as possible in a short period of time). In short, the number of infected doubles every four days, almost perfectly. At the start the projected growth rate is always a little iffy, but by the time you get to a few hundred or a few thousand infected, you can nail it down pretty well. And we’re at four days, ignoring China’s bogus numbers.

Starting with February 13, outside China there were 528 people confirmed infected. So by doubling every four days, we would expect to see 16,896. The real-time CDC map HERE reported 14,900 confirmed cases for the same date. So our growth rate of doubling every four days is pretty close. Going at this same rate- despite the best efforts of various governments, policies, isolation/quarantines, etc., this means we’re going to hit maximum exposure, i.e, EVERYBODY, on May 17 or May 18, 2020.

Put graphically, the race-car that this geometric growth pattern represents, hits the proverbial wall in TWO MONTHS.

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You need to prepare food supplies for a three-month “indoor stay-cation,” and what may follow.

I’ll get into that later.

For now…? You’ve got the data. Make some command decisions on who to save and HOW. Move with a purpose.

Tick Tock.
 

Kris Gandillon

The Other Curmudgeon
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good to know. I learned something new!!
I found this out on the web:

The standard shelf life of 3M N95 masks is a maximum of five years from production date. This is also dependent on storage conditions. For example, the masks have to be stored in their original packaging.

"We're usually concerned about some form of degradation in the product, either in the headband or the nose foam,” said Mr Roddan. “So our recommendation is that the user, before every time they put the respirator on, is to examine the product. If that product is dirty or damaged, or the breathing resistance is unacceptably high, they should dispose of the product and pick up a new one."
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
JUST NOW on WSB Radio

FULTON COUNTY SCHOOL SYSTEM (GEORGIA) closing NOW (early today) due to a TEACHER being diagnosed w Coronavirus, and the entire Fulton County School System to be closed tomorrow (I would think for cleaning)

The teacher involved taught at TWO middle schools (maybe an itinerant teacher or special - needs?) -- Bear Creek MS and Woodland MS
 
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Cardinal

Chickministrator
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Be very careful with Selenium:



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How do our bodies get selenium?
Selenium is not a naturally occurring substance within the body but a trace mineral found in our foods and soil. And how much we get from our food is dependent on where the food grew. The amount of selenium in soils around the world varies. For the United States for example, you can view the soil levels of selenium here.

How do our bodies utilize the dietary selenium?
To truly understand the importance of selenium and its inter-connectedness with the thyroid, as well as the immune system, it is necessary to understand how selenium is utilized from our dietary intakes. It’s synthesized into seleno-enzymes (or selenoproteins as the terms are inter-changeable). When the body synthesizes selenium, it is converted into one of three types of selenoproteins.

    • GPx (gluthiaone peroxidases) are anti-oxidants and, for this reason, are probably the best-known selenoproteins.
    • TRx (thioredoxin reductases) are active in cell structure and growth.
    • DIs (Iodothyronine deiodinases) are responsible for metabolic functions and the conversion of T4 to T3.
Each of these selenoproteins types has a role in thyroid function. In fact, there are 11 selenoproteins involved with the thyroid and thyroid hormone production. Therefore, it comes as no surprise that the selenium content of the thyroid is higher than that of any other body part. During times of selenium deficiency, the body will use any available selenium for the thyroid. This helps to explain the common symptoms of brain fog, senility, and overall decreased cognitive functions in those who are selenium deficient. Even the brain and neurotransmitters “take a back seat” to the functioning of the thyroid in regards to selenium status within the body.

What does selenium do for the thyroid? How is it connected to iodine?
As stated earlier, selenoproteins in the Dis family convert the storage hormone T4 into the active T3 hormone. It does this by removing one iodine atom from the T4. But, selenium has other relationships with iodine as well. It is well documented that a severe iodine deficiency leads to neurological and myxedematous cretinism. It is only when a severe selenium deficiency is coupled with a severe iodine deficiency does the latter occur. Iodine deficiency also causes goiter but a selenium deficiency results in a “weighty” or heavy thyroid as evidenced by ultrasound results. Studies show that selenium protects against goiter and iodine is proving to protect against a heavy thyroid.

When there is an iodine deficiency and attempts to supplement with selenium occur, the selenium will magnify the iodine deficiency causing it to become worse. The reverse is also true. If there is a selenium deficiency and attempts are made to supplement with iodine, the iodine will exacerbate the selenium deficiency causing it to worsen as well. In fact, anytime one is high and the other is low, symptoms will occur and often times get worse. If there is a deficiency, both must be supplemented or kept low.

In addition to its affiliation with iodine, selenium is responsible for other regulatory functions within the thyroid. Selenium deficiency leads to the exacerbation of Graves, Hypothyroidism, Hashimoto’s and other thyroid disorders. Recent studies have shown that selenium supplementation can reduce serum levels of T4, Free T4, and Reverse T3 (See links below). To explain, the thyroid produces hydrogen peroxide during the production of T4. While some hydrogen peroxide is essential for proper functioning, excessive amounts of it can lead to high T4 production which results in a lower T3 availability. Too much hydrogen peroxide will also cause cell destruction. Selenium as GPx anti-oxidant breaks down excessive hydrogen peroxide and as a TRx prevents cell damage and necrosis of thyrocytes.

Can I take iodine if I have Hashi’s? What role does selenium play in this?
Current research is proving that those with Auto-Immune Thyroiditis (AIT), which is widely known as Hashimoto’s Thyroiditis, or simply, Hashimoto’s, can and should supplement with iodine. Previously, those with AIT discontinued or avoided iodine because of the adverse effects it can have on the thyroid. However, the mechanisms of how and why the side effects of iodine supplementation occur are now largely understood. The thyroid must have iodine in order to make necessary hormones so those with AIT were often left with a dilemma. Take iodine and suffer side effects or don’t take iodine and continue to feel lethargic and listless. Current research extols that selenium restores the balance, not only of the thyroid, but also the immune system as well.

It is not uncommon for those with AIT to be selenium deficient due to their diets or other autoimmune conditions they may have (such as Celiac‘s, Crohn’s, or Ulcerative Colitis). 90% of the body’s immune system resides in the small intestine where these autoimmune disorders are seated. So those with autoimmune disorders often avoid gluten as it intensifies the immune response. Unfortunately, most selenium is taken in from bread, pasta, grains, and flour enriched with selenium. All those who have gone gluten free avoid these foods due to the immune system’s response to the gluten. Furthermore, the majority of selenium is absorbed in the small intestine, so those with autoimmune issues are at a higher risk of Selenium deficiency.

Research has shown that selenium is an immune-modulator and a deficiency results in a compromised immune system. A mild selenium deficiency complicates AIT, but a severe deficiency in the mineral leads to thyrocyte destruction and the increase of macrophages ” a type of white blood cell. Since selenium is responsible for modifying the body’s inflammatory response, it is a wise decision to add a dietary selenium supplement.

How much selenium can I take? Can it reduce antibodies?
The vast majority of experts agree that a good starting therapeutic dose of 200 micrograms (mcg) has positive effects on both the thyroid and the immune system. At this dose, selenium significantly reduces TPO and TgAb antibodies; up to 55-86% and 35-92% respectively. Attainment of euthyroid status (after long term therapeutic dosing) has also been reported. It is important to note that selenium supplementation, even in those with a sufficient selenium level, will still enhance immune and thyroid response. Research data shows that a dose of less than 200mcg is not sufficient and will heighten iodine deficiency, goiter, and AIT attacks.

The National Institutes of Health Office of Dietary Supplements states that adults should not consume more than 400 mcg of selenium per day.

What are good selenium-rich foods? What about supplements?
When supplementing with selenium, several factors need to be kept in mind. Selenium is available through food as well as many over the counter supplements. Foods rich in selenium include shellfish, crab, kidney, liver, and Brazil nuts. It is important to remember that selenium rich food is only so if it is grown or raised in a selenium rich environment. Brazil nuts, touted as one of the best sources of selenium, vary in selenium content, as some grow in selenium poor soil. It is also more difficult to determine the amount of selenium being consumed through food intake, whereas over-the-counter supplements erase this uncertainty.

Supplements are a great way to ensure proper selenium intake, but there are differences among them. Selenium comes in many forms. Most selenium supplements are selenium yeast, selenomethionine, selenite and selenate. Selenite and selenate are both inorganic forms of selenium and have an absorption rate of about 50%. This unfortunately, increases the chance of selenium toxicity. For this reason alone, organic forms of selenium, such as selenium yeast or selenomethionine, are safer and are more readily absorbed. In fact, organic forms of selenium are the only way to raise serum levels of selenium within the body. This is attributed to their bioavailability. When using organic forms of selenium, current research shows that doses up to 1600 mcg a day were well tolerated with no signs of toxicity although most experts recommend upper tolerable limits to be 400-600 mcg a day. Selenium yeast does have a higher absorption rate, (about 60-70%), than that of selenite or selenate. Yet some manufacturers simply add inorganic selenium to yeast products, so caution is necessary when taking such products. In addition, those with candida issues may want to avoid yeast type supplements as their specific symptoms could be compounded. Of the selenium supplements, selenomethionine has the best bioavailability with an absorption rate of 90%. It is organic and yeast free. When compared with other selenium supplements selenomethionine proves to be the most applicable and safest for long-term therapeutic use.

Should I take selenium even if I’m not deficient or don’t have a thyroid issue?
Again, selenium supplementation is not restricted to those with selenium deficient status, thyroid disorders, or the immune-compromised. Therapeutic levels help the young and the old alike even those with “normal” selenium levels. Selenium is a necessary component for healthy reproductive status and it aids in normalizing both testosterone and estrogen levels. Selenium aids in the removal of lipids and phospholipids. Excess amounts of these are responsible for high cholesterol levels; something those with thyroid disorders often have. A low selenium status is also indicated in those who struggle with depression and mood disorders. And, finally, selenium has been proven a powerful anti-carcinogenic supplement inhibiting cancer cells and reducing the risk of several cancers including prostate, breast, and uterine cancers.

The beneficial nature of selenium supplementation cannot be underscored. For most, 200-400mcg of selenium will prove to be sufficient. Those with amalgam fillings or those supplementing with iodine may need more. As with most supplements, selenium can have toxic effects when used in excess. Symptoms of selenium toxicity include diarrhea, hair loss, brittle nails, and other gastro-intestinal upset. To reduce the risk of toxicity it is recommended to start with 200mcg working toward the upper tolerable limits of 400-600mcg of organic selenium. Careful and proper supplementation with selenium is a wise decision for those who suffer thyroid and auto-immune disorders as it works to correct imbalances in thyroid functioning and immune response.

Cheryl is a wife, mother, daughter, poet, writer, and has hypothyroidism. She began researching alternative methods and treatments for hypothyroidism when her doctors told her nothing was wrong with her because her TSH was normal. After struggling for over ten years, Cheryl is now on optimal treatment and using her writing and research abilities to help others who are still looking for answers

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RT3 and SELENIUM
Here’s a study that showed selenium did NOT cause a rise in RT3, and in fact, lowered it. In fact, there are studies here which show that LOW levels of selenium can result in increased RT3 “After 3 wk of selenium supplementation (1 μg/kg/d), both the concentrations of the prohormone thyroxine (T4) and the metabolic inactive reverse triiodothyronine (rT3) decreased significantly.”

This medical book states that though RT3 comes from T4, it concludes that low selenium increases RT3. i.e. the enzymes that convert T4 to T3 and convert T4 to RT3, are selenium dependent to do their job. But that doesn’t necessarily mean that selenium increases your RT3.


Just a little about selenium and Iodine.
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
Map of Fulton County (GA)--this would NOT include all ATLANTA CITY SCHOOLS but runs from the very poor sections south of Atlanta up through the ultra-rich sections in north Fulton

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mzkitty

I give up.
But first, the obvious question: Why would anyone be so stupid as to build something like this? The answer is quite simple: In a secret speech given to high-level Communist Party cadres nearly two decades ago, Chinese Defense Minister Gen. Chi Haotian explained a long-range plan for ensuring a Chinese national renaissance using biological weapons. The idea was to develop and deploy bio-weapons to destroy the USA, so they could literally walk in and colonize it for themselves, leaving the contaminated, destroyed land they now live on.

Oh yeah -- the Chinese General. I remember we all did post about that years and years ago now.

I should have known.............

:dvl2:
 

Richard

TB Fanatic
OK what are member's plans for avoiding contact with this virus, I don't think Governments can do much in the face of this epidemic except provide tests if this can be done without the possibility of transmission.

Off the top of my head:

Avoid all sports games, shopping malls, concerts or mass gatherings of any type with anyone
Work from home if possible
Avoid all public transport
Self isolate if possible, e.g.have provisions delivered etc, do not visit family
Stock up with canned foods etc
Visit supermarkets and all shops in quiet periods if at all
Avoid people who are complacent that may infect you but who feel smug because they are young
Avoid contact with Drs or any healthcare persons unless you are admitted to hospital

Anything else?
 
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vector7

Dot Collector
So Covid19 shows up out of China and shortly after Russia sparks an oil war sending markets tumbling all during an election year.

Pay attention and stay focused.

Russia pulling for Dems to take it back:





Bio weapon?


Virus-hit Wuhan has two laboratories linked to Chinese bio-warfare program
Virology institute there has China's only secure lab for studying deadly virus

In this photo released by China’s Xinhua News Agency, a medical worker writes their colleague’s name on a protective suit to aid in identification as they work at Zhongnan Hospital of Wuhan University in Wuhan in central China’s Hubei Province, ...
By Bill Gertz - The Washington Times - Friday, January 24, 2020

The deadly animal virus epidemic spreading globally may have originated in a Wuhan laboratory linked to China’s covert biological weapons program, according to an Israeli biological warfare expert.

Radio Free Asia this week rebroadcast a local Wuhan television report from 2015 showing China’s most advanced virus research laboratory known the Wuhan Institute of Virology, Radio Free Asia reported.

The laboratory is the only declared site in China capable of working with deadly viruses.


Oil war taking down markets:

Putin just sparked an oil price war with Saudi Arabia — and US energy companies may be the victims

Published Sun, Mar 8 20206:34 PM EDT\Updated 31 min ago

Brian Sullivan
@SullyCNBC

Russia rejected a proposal by OPEC to cut 1.5 million barrels per day of production.

In response, Saudi Arabia not only cut its forward crude price to Chinese customers by as much as $6 or $7 per barrel, but is also reportedly looking to raise its daily crude output by as many as 2 million barrels.

The move by the Saudis is both a market share grab and a loud signal to Moscow that it’s done playing games.

American oil and gas workers and investors are caught in the middle of this epic ego battle...
 

mzkitty

I give up.
OK what are member's plans for avoiding contact with this virus, I don't think Governments can do much in the face of this epidemic except provide tests if this can be done without the possibility of transmission.

Off the top of my head:

Avoid all sports games, shopping malls, concerts or mass gatherings of any type with anyone
Work from home if possible
Avoid all public transport
Self isolate if possible, e.g.have provisions delivered etc, do not visit family
Stock up with canned foods etc
Visit supermarkets and all shops in quiet periods if at all
Avoid people who are complacent that may infect you but who feel smug because they are young
Avoid contact with Drs or any healthcare person unless you are admitted to hospital

Anything else?

Don't answer the door when they deliver. Have them set it down and go, if possible. I have a friend who got sick from a delivery person.
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
One of the two Fulton Co GEORGIA Schools is inside the Perimeter, the other outside--both on the south side:
 

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NCGirl

Veteran Member
so I have to assume it's so bad they just simply can't tell the truth.

And your assumption is that they know the truth. What makes you think that? And would you recognize it if you saw it?

Right now you have a choice. Trump who thinks it was ginned up to cause him to lose the election and those people who think we are due 1,000,000+ corpses by the end of summer.

Or some point in between. Lots of choices for the truth.

I think they (US Gov.) know MUCH more than they are telling. Do they know everything? Of course not but while China may have hidden most the truth from the public, both here and there, they didn't hide most of it from our Gov. Why do I think that? Come-on...

Maybe maybe not, but I do know when I'm being lied to most of the time, especially when it's blatant in your face lies.

I don't really understand how to respond to the last part.
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
JUST NOW on WSB Radio

FULTON COUNTY SCHOOL SYSTEM closing NOW (early today) due to a TEACHER being diagnosed w Coronavirus, and the entire Fulton County School System to be closed tomorrow (I would think for cleaning)

The teacher involved taught at TWO middle schools (maybe an itinerant teacher or special - needs?) -- Bear Creek MS and Woodland MS
So more schools are closing... not good.
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
OK what are member's plans for avoiding contact with this virus, I don't think Governments can do much in the face of this epidemic except provide tests if this can be done without the possibility of transmission.

Off the top of my head:

Avoid all sports games, shopping malls, concerts or mass gatherings of any type with anyone
Work from home if possible
Avoid all public transport
Self isolate if possible, e.g.have provisions delivered etc, do not visit family
Stock up with canned foods etc
Visit supermarkets and all shops in quiet periods if at all
Avoid people who are complacent that may infect you but who feel smug because they are young
Avoid contact with Drs or any healthcare person unless you are admitted to hospital

Anything else?
You forgot the Hookers again. We know they are a vector for this virus.
 

Ractivist

Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
The demand is down for oil, so it's a simple supply and demand equation. Prices drop. Then we add to the picture. China's not burning oil, our use is down, and about to really drop off due to the virus. It is related to the virus. It can not be denied, it's just one of many dominoes that are falling. Now oil wars are at hand, which likely will finish off the dollar as the worlds reserve currency.....bam.
 

poppy

Veteran Member
Here's a guy in isolation from the Diamond Princess because he has the virus. He tells the symptoms he had. Interesting that his wife was on the cruise with him and I would presume sharing the same cabin and yet she did not get the virus. Always good to hear from people who've been there and done that.

View: https://twitter.com/DGPurser/status/1236727259408588801?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1236727259408588801&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.citizenfreepress.com%2Fbreaking%2Finfected-patient-from-diamond-cruise-speaks-out%2F
 

northern watch

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Holger Zschaepitz‏ @Schuldensuehner 37s38 seconds ago

Dow sinks more >2,000 points in worst day since 2008. S&P 500 tripped 7% circuit breaker in early trading as investors react to ~30% decline in oil, concerns that such a drop may pressure credit mkts, driving 10y US yields down to <0.50%, & ongoing uncertainty around coronavirus.

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xtreme_right

Veteran Member
I can’t figure out how to post the link of the guy that got the virus on one of the cruises and he described what it was like.
He said he went from normal temp to 103 very quickly. No stuffy nose, no nose drip, no sneezing, no body aches, no chills. Worst symptom was high fever. He was dehydrated and drank ALOT of Gatorade. Still getting over a dry cough.

I’m bad at guessing age but he looked to be 65-70 and was Jewish.
 

Trouble

Veteran Member
Killhouse rules apply:

"1. NOBODY IS COMING TO SAVE YOU. Whether an event lasts a few seconds, a few hours, or even a few days – you have to work as though nobody is coming to save you. "

"2. You are your savior, so start working because EVERYTHING IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. You are your security, you are your medic, you are your rescuer. "

"5. Mostly, ALWAYS BE WORKING. There is always something you can be doing to improve your position. Always. Because nobody is coming to save you. "
This is gospel right now, I get laughed at, made fun of, told that god will protect me. I don't care, if those that i have tried to warn refuse to listen. The hell with em. I'll save my own ass as best i can. We are all surrounded, surrounded by fools who see no further than the end of their noses. They will reap what they have sewn. This is here and all around us, the time to prepare is rapidly concluding. Stores will no longer be safe to go to once the bullshit starts.
 

Haybails

When In Doubt, Throttle Out!
This I can agree with... The data is incomplete, the math won't calculate and the people in charge won't cooperate.... We just have to stay strong and keep our eyes open, look for clues and prepare as if the worse is coming, but hold hope that it will be OK. The panic is causing ripples through the finance world now... May God be with us!
"keep our eyes open" & "look for clues" . . . good God, my friend, haven't you read the past 686 pages?!?!

Your response here almost directly contradicts your previous post to which @NCGirl was responding.

HB
 

northern watch

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Bloomberg‏Verified account @business 12m12 minutes ago

MORE: U.S. stocks plunged more than 7.5% in the worst day on Wall Street since the financial crisis, as a full-blown oil price war rattled financial markets already on edge over the spreading coronavirus
 
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