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SOUTH KOREA CORONAVIRUS CRISIS: Mass Infections feared at 2 hospitals, 4 Factories and Naval Base! Infected Cases Now: 107 Death 1, Suspected Cases 8,120

Source : Thailand Medical News Feb 20, 2020 3 hours ago

South Korea is ‘heavily competing’ with Japan to seize the title of the second epicenter for the coronavirus outside China as new cases are again detected in the few hours with another 3 more infected cases confirmed at Daegu, bring the total number of coronavirus infected cases to now 107.

Korea-Coronavirus.jpg


However a breaking report now claims that 2 hospitals could be sites for mass infections.

At one hospital, the Deanam hospital Cheongdo, North Gyeongsang Province, 15 patients were found to have been infected with the coronavirus in the 420 bed hospital that has a high number of outpatient clinics. The first coronavirus death was also reported at the same hospital with staff now claiming that some its long term patients had already been having symptoms for as long as three weeks ago.

The dead patient was in his 60s and had been under treatment at Cheongdo Daenam Hospital for 20 years. He died the previous day, according to health officials. The patient suffered pneumonia-like illness before death and was confirmed to have been infected with coronavirus through a posthumous test.

KCDC Director Jung Eun-kyeong said at a news briefing, “We ask anyone who has had any contact with the hospital to self-isolate.”

KCDC health officials worry of a possible mass coronavirus infection there, since patients infected with COVID-19 are those who have been hospitalized there for a long time.

To make matter worst, another hospital, the Dongguk University Gyeongju Hospital in Gyeongju, near Cheongdo with more than 800 beds has discovered two male older patients also with the confirmed infected with the coronavirus.

They were hospitalized in a locked psychiatric ward of the hospital and had not left the hospital for past month, raising question on how the two became contracted, and further concern as it could affect more inside the closed unit of the hospital.

The KCDC said contact tracing and further investigation is underway, to determine how the infection was spread.

To further aggravate the situation a navy sailor on the southern island of Jeju was confirmed on Thursday to have contracted the new coronavirus in the first confirmed case among service personnel in South Korea, government officials said.

The male in his 20s was one of the country's 107 patients of COVID-19, according to the officials.

The naval soldier was known to have visited his hometown, Daegu, 300 kilometers southeast of Seoul, about 3 weeks ago, where dozens of confirmed cases have been reported since Wednesday.

The naval base he is stationed at, has close to 5,200 personnel and he had been at the base for more than 2 weeks prior to developing symptoms.

Meanwhile 4 factories have been identified as having had staff with confirmed coronavirus infections.

One factory was identified as SK SK hynix Inc., the world's No. 2 memory chipmaker It has close to 3,000 workers in its its Incheon campus, about 70 kilometers south of Seoul. 800 of its workers have been made to go into self-quarantine over new coronavirus asked after one of it workers develop severe symptoms and was hospitalized.

On an another note, University campuses in South Korea have the potential to become hotbeds for the coronavirus when nearly 70,000 Chinese students return for the spring semester, according to medical experts and university officials.

The educational officials said their campuses cannot be properly quarantined or monitored as the schools are not equipped to manage possible infectious outbreaks, stressing that any infected Chinese nationals could easily give the virus to other students when they come into close contact with one another.

Medical experts said stopping the inflow of possible coronavirus carriers to the universities was the most effective way to contain the virus.

Korean Medical Association (KMA) President Dr Choi Dae-zip told Thailand Medical News ,"As long as the number of deaths and confirmed cases keeps rapidly rising in China, the government should block people from the mainland including university students who have yet to come to South Korea."

Dr Choi said the country already faces the risk of community infections as many of the newly confirmed cases are presumed to be from domestic transmission. In this situation, stopping the inflow of carriers from abroad is ultimately the most effective approach to control the further spread of the coronavirus . With this week's surge in the number of infected people, the Ministry of Health and Welfare announced that the coronavirus has begun spreading locally, but with a limited scope.

Dr Choi said, "We understand China is a major trading partner, and the students' right to be educated is also important. There is a chance to hurt our economy and the relations with educational institutions between the two countries, but we, as doctors, believe nothing is more important than public safety."

Many Korean infectious disease experts also said restrictions on travelers from China should be implemented, unless stricter monitoring is introduced.

Prof. Dr Kim Woo-ju of South Korea University Guro Hospital said, "We can ask Chinese students to submit their medical certificate from the immigration procedure, if the government feels pressure to implement the entry ban immediately,"

Dr Kim said that stopping their inflow was the priority to contain the coronavirus, but if the government can't do so for some reasons, then they should closely monitor the health of Chinese students in order to prevent campuses from becoming hotbeds for the virus. University officials expressed their difficulties in doing this as the schools are not equipped with effective methods of monitoring or controlling possible infections.

South Korean epidemiology experts are warning that the during the next few weeks , a similar situation to what happened in Wuhan is expected to be replicated to a certain degree in Daegu.


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Thanks Mark

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South Korea is the place I was looking at for the next big break out. The reasoning being that China, then North Korea and by assimilation, South Korea.....

The life styles are too mobile and similar between China and South Korea to prevent the virus from moving to the next point of breakout....

Doubling in a week was a warning sign for me.... If it doubles again, I am willing to agree that things are out of control in South Korea all the way to China....
 

goosebeans

Veteran Member
SOUTH KOREA CORONAVIRUS CRISIS: Mass Infections feared at 2 hospitals, 4 Factories and Naval Base! Infected Cases Now: 107 Death 1, Suspected Cases 8,120

Source : Thailand Medical News Feb 20, 2020 3 hours ago

South Korea is ‘heavily competing’ with Japan to seize the title of the second epicenter for the coronavirus outside China as new cases are again detected in the few hours with another 3 more infected cases confirmed at Daegu, bring the total number of coronavirus infected cases to now 107.

Korea-Coronavirus.jpg


However a breaking report now claims that 2 hospitals could be sites for mass infections.

At one hospital, the Deanam hospital Cheongdo, North Gyeongsang Province, 15 patients were found to have been infected with the coronavirus in the 420 bed hospital that has a high number of outpatient clinics. The first coronavirus death was also reported at the same hospital with staff now claiming that some its long term patients had already been having symptoms for as long as three weeks ago.

The dead patient was in his 60s and had been under treatment at Cheongdo Daenam Hospital for 20 years. He died the previous day, according to health officials. The patient suffered pneumonia-like illness before death and was confirmed to have been infected with coronavirus through a posthumous test.

KCDC Director Jung Eun-kyeong said at a news briefing, “We ask anyone who has had any contact with the hospital to self-isolate.”

KCDC health officials worry of a possible mass coronavirus infection there, since patients infected with COVID-19 are those who have been hospitalized there for a long time.

To make matter worst, another hospital, the Dongguk University Gyeongju Hospital in Gyeongju, near Cheongdo with more than 800 beds has discovered two male older patients also with the confirmed infected with the coronavirus.

They were hospitalized in a locked psychiatric ward of the hospital and had not left the hospital for past month, raising question on how the two became contracted, and further concern as it could affect more inside the closed unit of the hospital.

The KCDC said contact tracing and further investigation is underway, to determine how the infection was spread.

To further aggravate the situation a navy sailor on the southern island of Jeju was confirmed on Thursday to have contracted the new coronavirus in the first confirmed case among service personnel in South Korea, government officials said.

The male in his 20s was one of the country's 107 patients of COVID-19, according to the officials.

The naval soldier was known to have visited his hometown, Daegu, 300 kilometers southeast of Seoul, about 3 weeks ago, where dozens of confirmed cases have been reported since Wednesday.

The naval base he is stationed at, has close to 5,200 personnel and he had been at the base for more than 2 weeks prior to developing symptoms.

Meanwhile 4 factories have been identified as having had staff with confirmed coronavirus infections.

One factory was identified as SK SK hynix Inc., the world's No. 2 memory chipmaker It has close to 3,000 workers in its its Incheon campus, about 70 kilometers south of Seoul. 800 of its workers have been made to go into self-quarantine over new coronavirus asked after one of it workers develop severe symptoms and was hospitalized.

On an another note, University campuses in South Korea have the potential to become hotbeds for the coronavirus when nearly 70,000 Chinese students return for the spring semester, according to medical experts and university officials.

The educational officials said their campuses cannot be properly quarantined or monitored as the schools are not equipped to manage possible infectious outbreaks, stressing that any infected Chinese nationals could easily give the virus to other students when they come into close contact with one another.

Medical experts said stopping the inflow of possible coronavirus carriers to the universities was the most effective way to contain the virus.

Korean Medical Association (KMA) President Dr Choi Dae-zip told Thailand Medical News ,"As long as the number of deaths and confirmed cases keeps rapidly rising in China, the government should block people from the mainland including university students who have yet to come to South Korea."

Dr Choi said the country already faces the risk of community infections as many of the newly confirmed cases are presumed to be from domestic transmission. In this situation, stopping the inflow of carriers from abroad is ultimately the most effective approach to control the further spread of the coronavirus . With this week's surge in the number of infected people, the Ministry of Health and Welfare announced that the coronavirus has begun spreading locally, but with a limited scope.

Dr Choi said, "We understand China is a major trading partner, and the students' right to be educated is also important. There is a chance to hurt our economy and the relations with educational institutions between the two countries, but we, as doctors, believe nothing is more important than public safety."

Many Korean infectious disease experts also said restrictions on travelers from China should be implemented, unless stricter monitoring is introduced.

Prof. Dr Kim Woo-ju of South Korea University Guro Hospital said, "We can ask Chinese students to submit their medical certificate from the immigration procedure, if the government feels pressure to implement the entry ban immediately,"

Dr Kim said that stopping their inflow was the priority to contain the coronavirus, but if the government can't do so for some reasons, then they should closely monitor the health of Chinese students in order to prevent campuses from becoming hotbeds for the virus. University officials expressed their difficulties in doing this as the schools are not equipped with effective methods of monitoring or controlling possible infections.

South Korean epidemiology experts are warning that the during the next few weeks , a similar situation to what happened in Wuhan is expected to be replicated to a certain degree in Daegu.


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Thanks Mark

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Sad to say, I fully expect to see cases showing up on our military bases over there. There are many Korean nationals working on post as well as young KATUSA (Korean soldiers) training and working along side our people. Our MASH unit had a Korean RN in the ER and Mr. Kim the ambulance driver, Korean soldiers working in the immunization clinic, flight physicals, and other areas of the hospital.
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
A brief summary of events thus far.

Fair use cited so on and so forth.


Covid-19: Summing Up The FUD


Authored by 'Amarynth' via The Saker blog, drawing together a braintrust from The Movable Feast Cafe,

We set up a ‘brain trust’ in the Cafe in order to write a combined sitrep for The Saker Blog about the Coronavirus. The new name in the taxonomy is COVID-19 but let’s stick to Novel Coronavirus for now. It is of course too early to come to any conclusions, but we can start isolating the discernible high level trends and perhaps get an early glimpse as to what effect the outbreak may have geopolitically and economically, although it is very early days.

We will not attempt to look at the technical picture here – the numbers of recoveries, the death rates and the infection rates, rates of transmission, life of virus on surfaces and so on because the technical picture is not yet clear and all data is in a state of flux with opposing and inconsistent reports from all sides. One cannot expect otherwise as the world is still shooting at a rapidly moving target in terms of statistical ground and epidemiological analysis.

In addition, we have professional organizations like the WHO and the CDC not really in lockstep and giving different pronouncements on a professional level. It is too early to draw conclusions.



What people are saying:

Let us look for a moment as to what ‘people are saying’.

(If you want to end up deeply into conspiracies, I would suggest you go to subReddits /r/Coronavirus and /r/China_Flu )
What ‘people are saying’ runs the gamut from messages received in meditation, prayer, even channeling, and this information is being put out there as valid for everyone else in the face of no definitive information you can hang your hat on.
  • Every talking head on youtube has suddenly turned into an expert, both on China and on the Novel Coronavirus. Every uninformed blockhead has now turned into a specialist. Every Twitter feed out there now considers itself an insta-influencer.
  • Most of the western alternative news medias have suddenly decided to follow their governmental lead on China, and the message is overwhelmingly that Brutal China is indeed very Brutal and very Bad.
  • It is a bioweapon because of how the Chinese are reacting. This was a conspiracy theory just a week ago, but now it is reaching mainstream.
  • It is bioengineered because some Indian researchers have found strands of HIV in the analysis of the virus, but then had to retract their studies.
  • The Chinese stole it from Canada.
  • The US has a patent on Coronavirus.
  • Just a short time before the outbreak became public, Bill Gates et al did some kind of a scenario planning on the corona virii becoming a global pandemic
  • China is attacking her own people to reduce population
  • Lab Accidents happen. (this is of course a pragmatic view, but usually Level 4 laboratories are situated very far away from the center of busy cities).
  • Chinese dissidents spread the virus
  • So, China is killing its dissidents and carrying out genocide against its own people.
  • Wuhan was on the point of massive riots, Hong Kong Style against their government
  • The Chinese government is lying and not reporting correctly. The death rate is much higher.
  • The Chinese Defense Forces are riddled with virus infected soldiers, and they are being contained somewhere else. There is no information on this excepting wild speculation.
  • Every non-flattering video from China is being passed along salaciously; usually grainy and one cannot really figure out where it is from – no markings, road signs, store names or anything where anything can be identified. The scuttlebut is that these mostly security camera videos and actively distributed by Falun Gong. Your guess on this is as good as mine.
As you can see from this list, and it is by no means exhaustive, all over the show, and there are literally 10’s more of these

What the timing indicates

The timing is suspicious no matter how you look at it.

Manufacturing usually shuts down or goes slow over Chinese New Year / Spring Festival which can last as much as 15 days. So, economically, this was a good time for a virus (if China ‘did it’).

On the other hand, this holiday gives rise to the greatest migration of people on our planet which also makes it an ideal time to infect a population (if someone outside of China ‘did it’).

The timing so close to the signing of the of the US/China Phase I Trade Agreement, which the Chinese referred to as only a ‘cease fire’ in the trade war, and the US referred to as a great breakthrough, is suspicious. The Chinese were indicating that they are very hesitant to even go to a phase II negotiation. And of course, there is a black part of the actual agreement that we do not know about.

The Main Tropes


1. The main trope out there is that this is a bioengineered bioweapon. But right at that point opinions diverge so widely that one can only ask questions, and not conclude anything.
2. The second trope is that people are being arrested widely. We’ve seen reports of arrests in Canada and in the US, and out of Harvard. Here is but one.
Not only are people being arrested, some are most probably being taken out.
3. The third trope is that China is “The Sick Man”, and we hate them for dumping this virus on the rest of us. Let me just say that the level of invective against China is not only unprecedented, it is also suspicious. Rebranding of the Coronoa Virus to the Chinese Virus is proceeding apace, even though it has a formal name now – COVID-19. In my life I have never seen such an overt manipulation of the common headspace such as this, since ‘weapons of mass destruction’.
4. The fourth trope is that the US, on a public and governmental basis has decided to vilify China, correctly or incorrectly. Note Mr Pompeo. Is he only taking an opportunity that is presented to him, or does he know more than what we think?
5. The fifth trope is that the civilizational fear against China is suddenly out in the open for everyone to see. It is almost a morphic resonance of fear expressed against China and that China is the culprit. However, we don’t really know who the culprit is actually. We don’t even know if there is a culprit.
Is China the culprit, or is China the victim, or is this a virus that spread from animal to human or has it escaped from some or other lab by accident (or on purpose)? We do not know any of this and this trope just creates more FUD (fear, uncertainty and doubt).
6. The sixth trope is that China is wrong no matter what she does. Quarantine and even forced quarantine is expressed by the blockheads of Brutal China Cracking Down on Their People, without thinking what is actually necessary to do for this kind of outbreak, no matter where it comes from. One after the other video supposedly from China showing the so-called Brutal Chinese government is distributed with relish, with nary a thought that you and I are actually being protected by these heavy handed tactics. The snoflakes are out in force talking about human rights, yet, by the looks of things, China is going all out protecting the many.
Because there is a strange consistency in what the State (used generally) says, and what the alternative media says, this is more worrying than anything else. On the one hand nobody can believe the State, and on the other hand alternative media is reproducing and disseminating the message of the State.
7. The seventh trope is that the few voices, even here on The Saker Blog, that try to look at this realistically are drowned out in the general societal willingness to believe the worst. Viva free speech!?!
The formal state, and the western alternative media are generally in lockstep on this issue.

China is now attempting to go back to work. We do not know how successful this is, but some are trying to measure the actual air pollution to try and figure out if China has gone back to work, or not. Economically China has also given guidance to business, saying that this event is a force majeure, known colloquially in contractual terms as ‘an act of God’, and therefore they can renegotiate contracts, delivery dates and completion.
Let us look at what is clear.
  1. China is fighting for its life. The death-toll or even containment is not truly visible in any numbers as yet. This will have tremendous impact on supply lines and not only on China’s economy, but all parts of the international supply chain, upstream and downstream. China is acting on expressed unhappiness of their people. They are firing those who do not perform, who put red-tape in the path of directly fighting this virus. It may look brutal to lock people into their homes, but how many do they save by this action? Where do these get food? It is in the Chinese media that food gets delivered. This is something that the western youtube pundits (and their a-hole brothers) forget to report, although this is open and publicized in the Chinese media.
  2. This is a catastrophe. It is not a flu, it is not a common cold, it is not something that 5G brought onto China, it is not God punishing the Godless red commies. Whatever it is, it is a catastrophe with world-wide consequences. We do not know enough to come to any meaningful conclusions except to say that considering the timeline, we are right to be suspicious and we may be right to prepare with the basic masks, gloves and limited public exposure, i.e., not visiting large gatherings, for a period of time.
  3. If this virus continues, it will have societal impact that may be severe – we won’t shake hands, we won’t hug babies, social interaction will be vastly compromised, and a few more common contact methods like music concerts or sporting activies for humans will be left by the wayside.
  4. If it continues much beyond the current level, the extensive economic fallout cannot be estimated. You and I and no analyst in the world can truly get their arms around the economic fallout and the breakdown of worldwide supply chains. Who knows, we may be out of a specific little part for a normal service of a vehicle, we may be out of medicines (the idea of the many people that are taking anti-depressants and such types of medicines having to go cold-turkey is quite scary, and there may be a severe shortage of simple medical equipment, like masks and gloves that are even now getting hard to source – just try buying masks on Amazon).
  5. In the current analysis and according to what we have available, we do not yet know enough to be meaningful. Much more than that is pure speculation and gives rise to other agendas being seeded into the public narrative.
What is clear, is that fear, uncertainty, and doubt is rife and people are terrified...
 

Repairman-Jack

Veteran Member
A couple weeks ago, my whole family got really sick--very unusual for us. My two year old was tested and we were told she had Influenza A, but I tested negative for flu, and they never told me what I had. I got a really high fever and a terrible chest cough that refused to go away. There was an irritating wet sound in my lungs when I would breathe in while lying down. Still don't know what I had, but it really took it out of me, and we were worried about the fever because I am pregnant. The doctor told me that, despite testing negative for flu, they were going to write me a perscription for tamiflu. I'm guessing they didn't know what I had, and just wanted to look like they were doing something. :rolleyes: The illness originated from my husband's firefighter training class; everyone got it, and several even ended up in the hospital.

Sounds like you had what I had last week.

Keep in mind the rapid Flu test in the office is only 50-70% accurate, and or could be non A or B Flu. Since I presented with "classic" Flu symptoms but had a productive cough less than 24 hours or temp onset (spiking to 103 the night before) Dr also treated for pneumonia (2 mass doses of antibitotics). Still have lingering cough but it's only a week later.
 
Investors must not ignore the dark cloud looming over Asia’s economies

Coronavirus: Markets looking at the silver lining miss the dark cloud looming over Asia’s economies
  • The consensus view in markets is that the virus is containable, with the collapse in economic activity likely to be short-lived. But emerging markets are more exposed to China than ever before, and their faith in the effectiveness of stimulus may not be repaid
Nicholas Spiro
Nicholas Spiro
Published: 5:00pm, 20 Feb, 2020
Updated: 10:22pm, 20 Feb, 2020

https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinio...ould-be-surprised-coronavirus-inspired-racism
https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinio...s-chinese-government-has-made-its-mishandling
C People wearing face masks walk past the logo of Foxconn, the world’s largest contract electronics maker, in New Taipei City, Taiwan. Asia’s emerging markets are most at risk from the fallout of the coronavirus outbreak due to their strong trade linkages with China. Photo: EPA-EFE

People wearing face masks walk past the logo of Foxconn, the world’s largest contract electronics maker, in New Taipei City, Taiwan. Asia’s emerging markets are most at risk from the fallout of the coronavirus outbreak due to their strong trade linkages with China. Photo: EPA-EFE

A month has passed since the outbreak of the deadly coronavirus began to move financial markets.
Since January 24, when a rally in stocks was brought to a halt by news that the Sars-like virus had spread from China to
other countries

, emerging markets have suffered more than other asset classes. While the benchmark S&P 500 equity index has risen a further 2.7 per cent to a fresh high, the MSCI Emerging Markets Index has fallen 1.7 per cent. A separate MSCI index for emerging market currencies is down more than 1 per cent.

Yet, since the beginning of February, sentiment has improved markedly. Last week, emerging market bond and equity funds attracted net inflows of nearly US$4 billion, taking the cumulative inflows this year to US$17.4 billion, according to data from JP Morgan.

Investors’ willingness to continue pouring money into emerging markets at a time when the coronavirus outbreak has brought large parts of the world’s second-largest economy to a standstill, and is disrupting global supply chains, is striking.


Disinfection tunnels built to clean people within 20 seconds amid coronavirus outbreak

Not only does it show the extent to which traders have become conditioned to treat bouts of turmoil as buying opportunities, mainly because of continued support from central banks, it is also a sign that investors do not perceive the economic fallout of the epidemic as a big enough shock, within China and around the world, to derail growth and severely undermine sentiment.


The consensus view in markets is that the virus is containable, with the collapse in economic activity likely to be short-lived. Most investors expect growth in China to plummet this quarter, and then recover sharply in the spring, with limited impact on the year as a whole. A slowing infection rate, coupled with the prospect of more forceful stimulus, are helping underpin the optimism.

Can anything stop the coronavirus from popping the US stock bubble?
18 Feb 2020

However, it is still too early to say whether the spread of the disease has been contained and, more importantly from a market standpoint, whether a “V-shaped” recovery is likely. Just a cursory glance at the recent batch of research reports from the big investment banks shows that analysts are struggling to identify indicators to gauge the severity of the shock to China’s economy.

What is clear, however, is that the scope for international spillovers of the economic standstill is much
greater today than it was during the severe acute respiratory syndrome outbreak in 2003. China now accounts for nearly one fifth of global gross domestic product and almost one third of the world’s manufacturing output.



Asia’s emerging markets are most at risk due to their stronger trade linkages with China, greater reliance on its tourists and, crucially, the central role China plays in the region’s supply chains.

As JP Morgan noted in a report published earlier this month, “China’s much greater global footprint and the increased complexity of Asian manufacturing value chains today than two decades ago render undoing [novel coronavirus] damage a stiffer ask than Sars”.

Investors in Asia’s developing economies should, at the very least, be demanding more of a “virus risk premium” for holding regional financial assets. While local currency bonds will benefit from more aggressive stimulus in China and additional monetary easing across the region – Malaysia, Thailand and the Philippines have all cut interest rates over the past several weeks in response to the anticipated slowdown – stocks and currencies are vulnerable.

The equity markets of most major developing economies in Asia are already on the pricey side – the forward price-to-earnings ratio, a popular valuation tool, in Taiwan, Malaysia, Indonesia and Thailand is above 15, compared with 12.5 for the emerging markets index, data from JP Morgan show – and are more expensive than their historical average. Given the uncertainty over corporate earnings across the region, a correction is overdue.
The coronavirus has hit economies hard, quickly. But how long will it last?
20 Feb 2020

The coronavirus crisis has also helped drive up the US dollar, boding ill for emerging market currencies. The Bloomberg JPMorgan Asia Dollar Index, a gauge of the region’s most liquid currencies excluding the yen, has lost about 1.7 per cent since January 20. Yet, the index is still significantly above its low last August. Just like the region’s stocks, emerging Asia’s currencies are likely to come under more pressure as fears about growth intensify.

However, markets are again choosing to focus on comforting signals from central banks. Investors have been clamouring for more stimulus in China to help support a global recovery that was showing signs of taking root late last year. The economic disruption caused by the epidemic is now viewed by investors as the catalyst for such action.

Yet, Beijing cannot stimulate its way out of a public health emergency. It is not the credibility of China’s central bank that is at stake, but the government’s abilityto contain the spread of the virus and restore confidence.

As long as the speed and efficacy of the containment of the disease are in doubt, the risk of a more severe and prolonged economic downturn will increase. Asia’s emerging markets are at the sharp end of the fallout of the coronavirus crisis. The region’s asset prices, particularly stock markets, ought to be reflecting these risks.

Nicholas Spiro is a partner at Lauressa Advisory
 

Trivium Pursuit

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I think we are on two week infection cycles now, from the 14th to the 28th, and then we will start one week cycles for March, and for April well it will be chaos by tax time and Xi's lies will be no longer hidden. Trump, well Trump is going to impale himself on that type of "mission accomplished" drivel speak. Yep, that straight up graph says it all
APRIL 15TH IS NOW THE NEW DOOMER DOUG GO TO DATE. February 29th, followed by March in one week sequences, with April 15th, and then May 1, commie barbarian day.
April 15 is the new Doomer Doug go to date in terms of what?
 

Pinecone

Has No Life - Lives on TB
This is REALLY, I mean INCREDIBLY FAST for this.
Unless they were Chinese who came over from China.


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Iran's Qom Province’s Governorate has signed a memorandum of understanding with an unnamed Chinese company on building solar power plants with a combined production capacity of 30 megawatts, the province's governor general said.

“Iran is prepared to cooperate with Chinese companies, as it has allocated plots of land for photovoltaic power plants,” Seyyed Mehdi Sadeqi was also quoted as saying by Zistonline on Tuesday.

Stressing that Chinese firms have a long history of energy collaboration with Iran, Sadeqi noted without elaboration that the governorate will support foreign companies embarking on renewable ventures in the province.
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
I'm not thinking that way. Do you realize how pissed the Trump electorate will be in that scenario when they crammed themselves into all his yuge campaign rallys? I think he's just running in front of this virus with CCP Hopium counting on the CDC to figure out something or the virus hits the firewall of the 1st world health care.
What bothers me that if the Herd goes into a fury ( maybe because no penicillin so 6yr old Jethro dies of an infection) they will hit at the biggest target and guess who that is?
 
Supply chains in China pummelled from all sides after coronavirus outbreak

Economy / China Economy
Coronavirus: China’s manufacturing supply chain pummelled from all sides in efforts to restart
  • Coronavirus costs keep mounting for manufacturers, who are facing huge losses in sales and struggling to ramp up production
  • Logistical logjams persist as transport networks struggle to find workers and navigate lockdowns across China
SCMP
Finbarr Bermingham and Su-Lin Tan
Published: 1:05pm, 20 Feb, 2020
Updated: 10:59pm, 20 Feb, 2020

https://www.scmp.com/economy/global...man-tragedy-poses-sharp-risks-global-economic
https://www.scmp.com/business/compa...reel-chinas-coronavirus-containment-stop-work
China has struggled to kickstart manufacturing and supply chains as the coronavirus outbreak rages on. Photo: AP


China has struggled to kickstart manufacturing and supply chains as the coronavirus outbreak rages on. Photo: AP

Choked off from suppliers, workers, and logistics networks, China’s manufacturing base is facing a multitude of unprecedented challenges, as coronavirus containment efforts hamper factories’ efforts to reopen.

Many of those that have been granted permission to resume operations face critical shortages of staff, with huge swathes of China still under lockdown and some local workers afraid to leave their homes. Others cannot access the materials needed to make their products, and even if they could, the shutdown of shops and marketplaces around China means demand has been sapped.

Those who manage to assail the challenges, meanwhile, have found that trucking, shipping and freight services are thin on the ground, as China’s famed logistical machine also struggles to find workersand navigate provincial border checkpoints that have popped up across the country

“It really is death by a thousand cuts,” said John Evans, managing director of Tractus Asia, a company that has 20 years’ experience helping firms move to China, but which over the past two has had more enquiries from businesses looking to leave. “This is a black swan event and I don’t think we’ve seen anything like it in recent history, in terms of the economic and supply chain impact in China and across the globe.”


This is a black swan event and I don’t think we’ve seen anything like it in recent history, in terms of the economic and supply chain impact in China and across the globe John Evans

Australian company B&R Enclosures, which makes units for protecting industrial equipment, said the outbreak has cut it off from suppliers and delayed the return of its migrant workers from their hometowns, following the extended Lunar New Year break. Only 15 per cent have come back, B&R China general manager Marko Dimitrijevic said.


“All supply chains are having trouble, it’s very serious,” he said. “Even if we declare force majeure [to avoid paying hefty damages for late deliveries], we will not be delivering and that means many of us will risk losing our customers. For many companies, this could mean bankruptcy.”

Dimitrijevic said he had to
charter special buses to transport his workers
from other parts of China back to Suzhou, a city west of Shanghai. When they returned, he had to book hotel rooms to house them for another 14 days in quarantine as their neighbours “will not let them go home”. He was paying about 350 yuan (US$50) in accommodation for each employee.

“While work has officially started last week, most employees were still quarantined or just on their way back due to lack of transport,” Dimitrijevic said. “It would be about a month in production delays by the time we start next week, and by then we would not even be able to run full operations.”

Based on the Baidu Migration Index, analysts at Nomura estimated that only 25.6 per cent of migrant workers had returned to work across 15 sample cities by February 19, compared to 101.3 per cent a year earlier.

Refing Enterprise Group, one of China’s three largest producers of piping for plumbing, drainage and gas fields, is facing severe losses across its nationwide factories, which are all in various states of idleness.
Its plants in Hubei – the
epicentre of the coronavirus outbreak
– and Tianjin remain in total shutdown. A factory in the central Chinese city of Xian is operating at roughly 40 per cent, as is a plant in Foshan, part of China’s manufacturing heartland in Guangdong, said operations and quality director Robin Yang.

“February is usually boom season for us, where we take orders from many of our customers,” said Yang, speaking from the company headquarters in Foshan. “But this year we have only taken about 20 million yuan (US$2.85 million) worth of new orders versus 400 million yuan (US$57 million) last year. We have to assume the demand is still there, but it is delayed.”


China’s Hubei province in full lockdown to combat coronavirus outbreak
Rifeng’s Foshan plant caters for its export market and has managed to get a few containers out of the country since last week. But in the meantime the firm is routing domestic production from Hubei, Xian and Tianjin through the Guangdong plant, which it hopes to ratchet up to 80 per cent capacity next week, Yang said.
The patchwork state of China’s return to work efforts is due to the fact that local governments retain control over which
factories can restarta nd how much production each can bring online.

“China is so big, that every city can have vastly different policies,” said Walter Ruigu, Beijing-based managing director at Camal Group, which connects Chinese manufacturers of steel, equipment for construction and mining, and industrial chemicals with buyers in Africa.

“The distance from the epicentre and local government actions have been crucial. In the north and northeast activity has resumed this week. We have seen some movement in Dalian Port and Qingdao Port, but for now the issue has been finding the logistics to get to that point,” Ruigu said.


China tries to get back to work amid coronavirus outbreak

There have been reports of cargo ships being marooned at sea, with ports in countries with strict coronavirus quarantine rules such as Australia, Singapore and the United States not permitting shipping personnel to enter their ports if they have been in China over the past 14 days.

Andy Lane, Asia director at shipping analysis firm Sea Intelligence, said that Australia had seized two ships from China, belonging to Singaporean line PIL and Chinese line COSCO, with the crew now undergoing a 14-day quarantine period before they can unload their cargo.

While 43 sailings from Chinese ports to the US West Coast were cancelled before the Lunar New Year holiday in anticipation of the seasonal slowdown, “ subsequent to the holidays starting and we would say directly related to the virus, a further 19 sailings were cancelled”, Lane said.

A further two cargo sailings were cancelled from China to the US East Coast, five from Asian ports to North Europe and five from Asia to Mediterranean ports, he added.


China’s delivery workers risk infection as online sales surge amid coronavirus outbreak

A survey by the American Chamber of Commerce in Shanghai released this week found that almost 80 per cent of respondents in the manufacturing sector were unable to staff their production lines.

An overwhelming 92 per cent of the 100 Australian and global businesses surveyed by the Australian Chamber of Commerce Shanghai last week, meanwhile, said the outbreak would have a negative impact on their revenue in the first quarter of this year, with more than half saying it could dent their top-line earnings by more than 20 per cent.

These results suggest that foreign companies might re-evaluate their relationships with China. For many, the virus comes after two long years dealing with trade war tariffsand has added to the sense of China fatigue. It is for some “the straw that broke the camel’s back”, said Evans, from Tractus.


Our key suppliers are terrified. Even workers within the province aren’t willing to go out and go to work, people are really scared Hetin Shah

Hetin Shah, the president of supply chain management company MES Inc, said that his US Fortune 500 clients “do not want anything to do with China right now”, with the supply chain risks deemed to be too severe.
The company, out of its Ningbo office, sources goods from Chinese suppliers to be exported to multinational clients in the US, Europe and Mexico.

After a few weeks of standstill, MES is this week hoping to put a container with goods for export from Anhui province on a boat in Shanghai, and load two containers on a ship at port in Ningbo. However, even as the logjam of goods starts moving, Shah said the scars will remain.

“Our key suppliers are terrified. Even workers within the province aren’t willing to go out and go to work, people are really scared,” he said, referring to fears of becoming infected with the virus. “People are still choosing to stay at home.”

This article appeared in the South China Morning Post print edition as: China’s factories crippled by efforts to contain outbreak
 

Doc1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
There was something about cheep cruises being available.

Soon, you might be able to buy a cruise ship fairly cheep.


I suspect that the cruise ship lines are tetering on the edge of bankruptcy and many others in the transportation industry are also on the edge. Peoples' willingness to travel will go through the stages of coronavirus awareness, wariness, reluctance and finally, terror. No one will be willing to be locked in a bus, subway, plane or ship, surrounded by people who may be infected. This will also affect other travel modalities - such as carpools - that we rarely think about.

What else will doubtlessly be affected? Theaters (both stage and cinema), schools, sporting events, political rallies (no more mega Trump rallies), art and other galleries, malls and larger retail operations, etc.

The ramifications of all of this - and its knock-on effects - are very difficult, even for the prepper community to comprehend. If effective vaccines/medicines and containment strategies aren't discovered almost immediately, the world - what's left of it anyway - will look very different in less than six months.

Best
Doc
 

TxGal

Day by day
As the virus spreads and gains speed throughout Asia, those who haven't stocked up on enough rice for their families for an extended period of time might want to get some shopping done. Soon. Most of our rice is imported from Asia:


Rice Exports by Country

January 12, 2020 by Daniel Workman


Vietnamese rice field Vietnamese rice field

Worldwide rice exports by country totaled an estimated US$24.5 billion in 2018, down by an average -7.1% for all exporting countries since 2014 when overall rice shipments were valued at $26.4 billion. Year over year, the value of global rice exports gained a modest 0.7% from the $24.4 billion worth of exported rice in 2017.

From a continental perspective, over three-quarters (77.8%) of global rice exports originated from Asian countries with shipments amounting to $19.1 billion.

North American exporters supplied 7.2% of global rice exports, trailed by Europe at 7.6% then Latin America (5.9%) excluding Mexico but including the Caribbean. Smaller percentages came from Oceania (1%) led by Australia then Africa (0.5%).

For research purposes, the 4-digit Harmonized Tariff System code prefix for rice is 1006.

Rice Exports by Country
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Below are the 15 countries that exported the highest dollar value worth of rice during 2018.
  1. India: US$7.4 billion (30.1% of total rice exports)
  2. Thailand: $5.6 billion (22.7%)
  3. Vietnam: $2.2 billion (9%)
  4. Pakistan: $2 billion (8.2%)
  5. United States: $1.7 billion (6.9%)
  6. China: $887.3 million (3.6%)
  7. Italy: $614.1 million (2.5%)
  8. Brazil: $467.9 million (1.9%)
  9. Uruguay: $400.2 million (1.6%)
  10. Cambodia: $375.2 million (1.5%)
  11. Myanmar (Burma): $333.3 million (1.4%)
  12. Netherlands: $279 million (1.1%)
  13. Belgium: $243.3 million (1%)
  14. Australia: $237.6 million (1%)
  15. Paraguay: $219.2 million (0.9%)
The listed 15 countries shipped 93.4% of global rice exports in 2018 by value.

Among the above countries, the fastest-growing rice exporters since 2014 were: China (up 134.6%), Cambodia (up 62.1%), Netherlands (up 30.5%) then Paraguay (up 23.5%).

Those countries that posted declines in their exported rice sales were led by: Myanmar or Burma (down -46.4%), Australia (down -32.8%), Vietnam (down -24.9%), Uruguay (down -22%) then United States (down -15.3%).
 

Pinecone

Has No Life - Lives on TB
If the n-COVID-19 affects ACE-2 portals, would taking an ACE-2 inhibitor help stop infection? Since it's used for heart patients, would that help give them some protection?
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
_______________
As the virus spreads and gains speed throughout Asia, those who haven't stocked up on enough rice for their families for an extended period of time might want to get some shopping done. Soon. Most of our rice is imported from Asia:


Rice Exports by Country

January 12, 2020 by Daniel Workman


Vietnamese rice field Vietnamese rice field

Worldwide rice exports by country totaled an estimated US$24.5 billion in 2018, down by an average -7.1% for all exporting countries since 2014 when overall rice shipments were valued at $26.4 billion. Year over year, the value of global rice exports gained a modest 0.7% from the $24.4 billion worth of exported rice in 2017.

From a continental perspective, over three-quarters (77.8%) of global rice exports originated from Asian countries with shipments amounting to $19.1 billion.

North American exporters supplied 7.2% of global rice exports, trailed by Europe at 7.6% then Latin America (5.9%) excluding Mexico but including the Caribbean. Smaller percentages came from Oceania (1%) led by Australia then Africa (0.5%).

For research purposes, the 4-digit Harmonized Tariff System code prefix for rice is 1006.

Rice Exports by Country
  • Countries
  • Advantages
  • Opportunities
  • Companies
Below are the 15 countries that exported the highest dollar value worth of rice during 2018.
  1. India: US$7.4 billion (30.1% of total rice exports)
  2. Thailand: $5.6 billion (22.7%)
  3. Vietnam: $2.2 billion (9%)
  4. Pakistan: $2 billion (8.2%)
  5. United States: $1.7 billion (6.9%)
  6. China: $887.3 million (3.6%)
  7. Italy: $614.1 million (2.5%)
  8. Brazil: $467.9 million (1.9%)
  9. Uruguay: $400.2 million (1.6%)
  10. Cambodia: $375.2 million (1.5%)
  11. Myanmar (Burma): $333.3 million (1.4%)
  12. Netherlands: $279 million (1.1%)
  13. Belgium: $243.3 million (1%)
  14. Australia: $237.6 million (1%)
  15. Paraguay: $219.2 million (0.9%)
The listed 15 countries shipped 93.4% of global rice exports in 2018 by value.

Among the above countries, the fastest-growing rice exporters since 2014 were: China (up 134.6%), Cambodia (up 62.1%), Netherlands (up 30.5%) then Paraguay (up 23.5%).

Those countries that posted declines in their exported rice sales were led by: Myanmar or Burma (down -46.4%), Australia (down -32.8%), Vietnam (down -24.9%), Uruguay (down -22%) then United States (down -15.3%).

Just for perspective.


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Tristan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Just had a meeting with my CIO this morning - I've been preaching this topic since day 1; finally this morning the comment is made, "I'm wondering if this will affect our laptop cycle?" (We cycle laptops in a large environment on a yearly basis) I responded, "it will". Response to my response, "let's keep an eye on this".

Nobody (and I mean NOBODY) directs attention until it personally affects them.

HB

I call it Management By Crisis, or MBC.

Been there, done that, got the damned t-shirt.
 

Doc1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Gold at 7 yr high, some smart money buying, no doubt,
as public still clueless that 'sassy time' almost upon us.

You might not buy silver/gold, but maybe should explore
reducing % of hard earned wealth parked solely & only
in paper investments, like stocks, bonds, 401k's, mutual
funds, cash mostly all parked in bank, etc.

I'm also recommending if you have any stuff that does
not make you money, or save you money on essentials,
or is prepper goods, you might want to garage sale get
rid of while you can still get good $'s for it before every
body is trying to do the same thing later in a wild panic
and then nothing is selling for much, if even at all.

Panic Early, Beat the Rush!
- Shane

Shane's post has prompted me to offer a single 1 oz Krugerrand here in "Swaps & Sales" tonight. As always with my precious metals offerings here at TB2K, I will offer this for less than they are available on eBay or at your local coin dealer's. I hope this will help someone who decides that they want it in their preps. Look for it to be up around 8 p.m. CST.

Best
Doc
 

Haybails

When In Doubt, Throttle Out!
Shane's post has prompted me to offer a single 1 oz Krugerrand here in "Swaps & Sales" tonight. As always with my precious metals offerings here at TB2K, I will offer this for less than they are available on eBay or at your local coin dealer's. I hope this will help someone who decides that they want it in their preps. Look for it to be up around 8 p.m. CST.

Best
Doc
Great! Now every time we quote 'Doc1' we have to follow TB2K board rules and state that 'Doc1' is involved in precious metal sales! LOL!! :)

(just kidding, of course)


HB
 

Tristan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
South Korea is the place I was looking at for the next big break out. The reasoning being that China, then North Korea and by assimilation, South Korea.....

The life styles are too mobile and similar between China and South Korea to prevent the virus from moving to the next point of breakout....

Doubling in a week was a warning sign for me.... If it doubles again, I am willing to agree that things are out of control in South Korea all the way to China....


Perhaps I don't know what you mean by assimilation, but I take it to mean cross-border interactions between N. Korea and S. Korea. However, there is very little of that happening...

More likely is the nCoV had a much longer head-start than China has admitted to, and all the business contacts between China and S. Korea were the vector.
 

Shadow

Swift, Silent,...Sleepy
A brief summary of events thus far.

Fair use cited so on and so forth.


Covid-19: Summing Up The FUD


Authored by 'Amarynth' via The Saker blog, drawing together a braintrust from The Movable Feast Cafe,

We set up a ‘brain trust’ in the Cafe in order to write a combined sitrep for The Saker Blog about the Coronavirus. The new name in the taxonomy is COVID-19 but let’s stick to Novel Coronavirus for now. It is of course too early to come to any conclusions, but we can start isolating the discernible high level trends and perhaps get an early glimpse as to what effect the outbreak may have geopolitically and economically, although it is very early days.

We will not attempt to look at the technical picture here – the numbers of recoveries, the death rates and the infection rates, rates of transmission, life of virus on surfaces and so on because the technical picture is not yet clear and all data is in a state of flux with opposing and inconsistent reports from all sides. One cannot expect otherwise as the world is still shooting at a rapidly moving target in terms of statistical ground and epidemiological analysis.

In addition, we have professional organizations like the WHO and the CDC not really in lockstep and giving different pronouncements on a professional level. It is too early to draw conclusions.



What people are saying:

Let us look for a moment as to what ‘people are saying’.

(If you want to end up deeply into conspiracies, I would suggest you go to subReddits /r/Coronavirus and /r/China_Flu )
What ‘people are saying’ runs the gamut from messages received in meditation, prayer, even channeling, and this information is being put out there as valid for everyone else in the face of no definitive information you can hang your hat on.
  • Every talking head on youtube has suddenly turned into an expert, both on China and on the Novel Coronavirus. Every uninformed blockhead has now turned into a specialist. Every Twitter feed out there now considers itself an insta-influencer.
  • Most of the western alternative news medias have suddenly decided to follow their governmental lead on China, and the message is overwhelmingly that Brutal China is indeed very Brutal and very Bad.
  • It is a bioweapon because of how the Chinese are reacting. This was a conspiracy theory just a week ago, but now it is reaching mainstream.
  • It is bioengineered because some Indian researchers have found strands of HIV in the analysis of the virus, but then had to retract their studies.
  • The Chinese stole it from Canada.
  • The US has a patent on Coronavirus.
  • Just a short time before the outbreak became public, Bill Gates et al did some kind of a scenario planning on the corona virii becoming a global pandemic
  • China is attacking her own people to reduce population
  • Lab Accidents happen. (this is of course a pragmatic view, but usually Level 4 laboratories are situated very far away from the center of busy cities).
  • Chinese dissidents spread the virus
  • So, China is killing its dissidents and carrying out genocide against its own people.
  • Wuhan was on the point of massive riots, Hong Kong Style against their government
  • The Chinese government is lying and not reporting correctly. The death rate is much higher.
  • The Chinese Defense Forces are riddled with virus infected soldiers, and they are being contained somewhere else. There is no information on this excepting wild speculation.
  • Every non-flattering video from China is being passed along salaciously; usually grainy and one cannot really figure out where it is from – no markings, road signs, store names or anything where anything can be identified. The scuttlebut is that these mostly security camera videos and actively distributed by Falun Gong. Your guess on this is as good as mine.
As you can see from this list, and it is by no means exhaustive, all over the show, and there are literally 10’s more of these

What the timing indicates

The timing is suspicious no matter how you look at it.

Manufacturing usually shuts down or goes slow over Chinese New Year / Spring Festival which can last as much as 15 days. So, economically, this was a good time for a virus (if China ‘did it’).

On the other hand, this holiday gives rise to the greatest migration of people on our planet which also makes it an ideal time to infect a population (if someone outside of China ‘did it’).

The timing so close to the signing of the of the US/China Phase I Trade Agreement, which the Chinese referred to as only a ‘cease fire’ in the trade war, and the US referred to as a great breakthrough, is suspicious. The Chinese were indicating that they are very hesitant to even go to a phase II negotiation. And of course, there is a black part of the actual agreement that we do not know about.

The Main Tropes



The formal state, and the western alternative media are generally in lockstep on this issue.

China is now attempting to go back to work. We do not know how successful this is, but some are trying to measure the actual air pollution to try and figure out if China has gone back to work, or not. Economically China has also given guidance to business, saying that this event is a force majeure, known colloquially in contractual terms as ‘an act of God’, and therefore they can renegotiate contracts, delivery dates and completion.
Let us look at what is clear.
  1. China is fighting for its life. The death-toll or even containment is not truly visible in any numbers as yet. This will have tremendous impact on supply lines and not only on China’s economy, but all parts of the international supply chain, upstream and downstream. China is acting on expressed unhappiness of their people. They are firing those who do not perform, who put red-tape in the path of directly fighting this virus. It may look brutal to lock people into their homes, but how many do they save by this action? Where do these get food? It is in the Chinese media that food gets delivered. This is something that the western youtube pundits (and their a-hole brothers) forget to report, although this is open and publicized in the Chinese media.
  2. This is a catastrophe. It is not a flu, it is not a common cold, it is not something that 5G brought onto China, it is not God punishing the Godless red commies. Whatever it is, it is a catastrophe with world-wide consequences. We do not know enough to come to any meaningful conclusions except to say that considering the timeline, we are right to be suspicious and we may be right to prepare with the basic masks, gloves and limited public exposure, i.e., not visiting large gatherings, for a period of time.
  3. If this virus continues, it will have societal impact that may be severe – we won’t shake hands, we won’t hug babies, social interaction will be vastly compromised, and a few more common contact methods like music concerts or sporting activies for humans will be left by the wayside.
  4. If it continues much beyond the current level, the extensive economic fallout cannot be estimated. You and I and no analyst in the world can truly get their arms around the economic fallout and the breakdown of worldwide supply chains. Who knows, we may be out of a specific little part for a normal service of a vehicle, we may be out of medicines (the idea of the many people that are taking anti-depressants and such types of medicines having to go cold-turkey is quite scary, and there may be a severe shortage of simple medical equipment, like masks and gloves that are even now getting hard to source – just try buying masks on Amazon).
  5. In the current analysis and according to what we have available, we do not yet know enough to be meaningful. Much more than that is pure speculation and gives rise to other agendas being seeded into the public narrative.
What is clear, is that fear, uncertainty, and doubt is rife and people are terrified...
A fairly succinct summation of 397 pages of this thread.

Shadow
 

Deena in GA

Administrator
_______________
Gold at 7 yr high, some smart money buying, no doubt,
as public still clueless that 'sassy time' almost upon us.

You might not buy silver/gold, but maybe should explore
reducing % of hard earned wealth parked solely & only
in paper investments, like stocks, bonds, 401k's, mutual
funds, cash mostly all parked in bank, etc.

I'm also recommending if you have any stuff that does
not make you money, or save you money on essentials,
or is prepper goods, you might want to garage sale get
rid of while you can still get good $'s for it before every
body is trying to do the same thing later in a wild panic
and then nothing is selling for much, if even at all.

Panic Early, Beat the Rush!
- Shane
Interesting that you should say that about selling things! We've been going through the whole house, reorganizing and changing up rooms, not only because of this, but also it looks like our granddaughter will be living here permanently. In the process we've thrown some things away, but have also been piling up other things to have a yardsale this weekend.
 

rondaben

Veteran Member
Sounds like you had what I had last week.

Keep in mind the rapid Flu test in the office is only 50-70% accurate, and or could be non A or B Flu. Since I presented with "classic" Flu symptoms but had a productive cough less than 24 hours or temp onset (spiking to 103 the night before) Dr also treated for pneumonia (2 mass doses of antibitotics). Still have lingering cough but it's only a week later.

Most likely you had the flu. The quality of the test is highly dependent upon the quality of the swab. If they didn't scrap your brain pan when they swabbed your nose, they didn't do it right.
 

Doc1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Great! Now every time we quote 'Doc1' we have to follow TB2K board rules and state that 'Doc1' is involved in precious metal sales! LOL!! :)

(just kidding, of course)


HB

Haybails, on a serious note, I'm not a precious metals dealer. Any PMs I sell here are coins I put away for my retirement over the course of many years and decades. Shane's post made me think that maybe some TB2K members might benefit from me offering a coin to those who feel it would assist with their coronavirus preps. Fortunately, I'm in a position to do this for less than market norms.

Best
Doc
 

rondaben

Veteran Member
If the n-COVID-19 affects ACE-2 portals, would taking an ACE-2 inhibitor help stop infection? Since it's used for heart patients, would that help give them some protection?

No. The mechanism is opposite of what you are thinking.

ACE inhibitors prevent the bodies conversion of ACE1 into ACE2. It is meant to lessen the physiological effect of ACE2 on blood pressure.

An ARB, like irbesartan, losartan, however, can block the ACE2 receptor and possibly reduce the possible binding sites for the coronavirus.

Think of it like a lock and key. ACE inhibitors block the key, ARBS cover up the keyhole.
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
No one will be willing to be locked in a bus, subway, plane or ship, surrounded by people who may be infected.

My youngest sister is due to fly out to visit us March 1. I told the family a week ago that they were still fairly safe on a plane, with almost no chance of an infected person aboard. I said starting March that security will plummet. I'll give her a few more days and then see if she's starting to waver. She's still stuck in normalcy.
 
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