CRIME Yet another Road Rage incident, but with happy ending- woman arrested, multiple charges.

[Ramius]

Victim speaks out- http://myfox8.com/2015/01/28/randleman-road-rage-victim-speaks-out/

RANDLEMAN, N.C. — A woman is speaking out after a terrifying road rage incident on Saturday.

Sherri Norman was driving in Randleman when a woman driving an SUV attempted to “slam into her” in a 35 mph zone.

Anticipating some form of road rage from the woman, Norman started recording on her cellphone.

Kristin Leigh Phillips was seen in the video Norman took exiting her car and attempting to assault Norman.

Norman gave a copy of the video to police. Phillips was arrested on Monday.

Phillips, 40, of Randleman, is charged with reckless driving to endanger, assault and battery, injury to personal property, driving left of center and two counts of communicating threats.

Norman spoke with FOX8 on Wednesday following the incident, which has gone viral on social media.

She says she has experienced road rage before but decided to pull out her smartphone to prove to deputies her word against Phillip’s word.

“I never for the life of me thought [Phillips] would get out, but now I know and I want other people to be aware,” Norman said.

 

[Ramius]

All kinds of lessons here on how to handle a bad situation. She did a lot of things right, but a lot of things very wrong. Some of which could have gotten her killed, had psycho-bitch exited her vehicle with a weapon, or decided to throw the boat into reverse and back over her.....

One very good bit of audio to catch- "I wish I had another cell phone so I could call 911" ... She could record, or call ... not both.

I gotta get me one of those dash cam recorders before something like that happens to me...

 

[Cardinal]

Sounds like road rage lady didn't like being video'd. Dash cam would have been more discreet.

 

[Vtshooter]

All kinds of lessons here on how to handle a bad situation. She did a lot of things right, but a lot of things very wrong. Some of which could have gotten her killed, had psycho-bitch exited her vehicle with a weapon, or decided to throw the boat into reverse and back over her.....

Yep. She had a child in the car with her also. I saw many opportunities for her to just pull over, and let the aggressor's car pull away. Not every opportunity to "engage" needs to be taken, especially when you have a child with you. Another wannabe YouTube sensation.

 

[Ramius]

Yep. She had a child in the car with her also. I saw many opportunities for her to just pull over, and let the aggressor's car pull away. Not every opportunity to "engage" needs to be taken, especially when you have a child with you. Another wannabe YouTube sensation.

Agreed. And you can bet the lawyer for the woman charged will bring that up in court, and try to make it look like the woman following was the aggressor. But that brings up a very unpleasant truth: if the lady HAD turned off, backed off, what ever... then it's certain this violent, aggressive criminal would have never been caught (this time) and would certainly have continued this behavior - possibly killing someone down the road. Where do we draw the line between standing up to the bad guys vs. staying safe?

Reading the comments on the youtube video mentions the attacker had been charged with DWI just a week prior, involving an accident. People like that don't stop until they are put in handcuffs. Allowing them to 'get away' with it leads to wrecks, often deaths. Trying to do what this lady did can get you killed.

No good answers here. But a lot we can learn on tactics, and staying safe.

 

[Illini Warrior]

had a road rage incident yesterday in NW IN on the main interstate .... some Hispanic got pizzed enough to start banging away with a firearm .... took out the rear window of another guy's vehicle .... horn honking and finger flashing can get out of hand quikly when you run into that nutcase .....

 

[Ramius]

had a road rage incident yesterday in NW IN on the main interstate .... some Hispanic got pizzed enough to start banging away with a firearm .... took out the rear window of another guy's vehicle .... horn honking and finger flashing can get out of hand quikly when you run into that nutcase .....

You got that right. I worked as a OTR driver in the late 70's through the late 80's.... but in the last 10 years it's gotten insane. That sort of crap is not only possible, it's inevitable if you drive much at all. I would say that training for this sort of attack is more important than training for a home or work attack. It's certainly more likely to happen.

 

[Dozdoats]

ADEE

Avoid

De-escalate/Disengage

Escape

Evade

 

[OldArcher]

Sounds like road rage lady didn't like being video'd. Dash cam would have been more discreet.

*Sigh* Just another reason to "Have Gun, Will Travel." Locked, cocked, and ready to rock... Dash cam optional, if "only" smart phone available... Psycho's only have one off button- three to the thoracic/cranial triangle...

She got off extremely luckily...

Maranatha

OA

 

[the watcher]

Yep. She had a child in the car with her also. I saw many opportunities for her to just pull over, and let the aggressor's car pull away. Not every opportunity to "engage" needs to be taken, especially when you have a child with you. Another wannabe YouTube sensation.

You assume she would have drove on down the road. I love how the video lady is vilified. Try pulling this crap in front of a cop car, slamming on the brakes in an assumed attempt to have her hit you and see how it ends. At no time did I see the "pursuer" gun it, to "chase" the nut job. No one bothers addressing the no passing lines all the way through the vid.

Sure, the lady videoing was in the wrong, how twisted is that thinking? Why didn't the nutjob pull over, if she thought she was being pursued? Apparently local cops thought this through and did the right thing.

 

[Dozdoats]

Where do we draw the line between standing up to the bad guys vs. staying safe?


Ask a good criminal defense attorney in your jurisdiction that question. It's WELL worth buying one hour of his time now, if it helps you to avoid paying for a few hundred hours of his time later in court.

And yes, I am absolutely serious. And if you carry a gun, go join http://armedcitizensnetwork.org/ too.

 

[Ramius]

Where do we draw the line between standing up to the bad guys vs. staying safe?


Ask a good criminal defense attorney in your jurisdiction that question. It's WELL worth buying one hour of his time now, if it helps you to avoid paying for a few hundred hours of his time later in court.

And yes, I am absolutely serious. And if you carry a gun, go join http://armedcitizensnetwork.org/ too.

You are absolutely right- well worth it. This guy does classes:

http://lawofselfdefense.com/

He gave a shortened version of his class at the www.grnc.org annual dinner last year, well worth the time and money. Train now, or bleed later, as the saying goes...

I have had situations similar to the one in the video, and can't stress enough how important it is to know what to do before you are under the stress of being attacked- and it IS an attack, even if you never get touched. brake-checking is assault, and running a car off the road is assault with a deadly weapon, or worse.

You can't be too careful, or too prepared.

 

[Bardou]

The driver with the child was stupid for rolling her window down. I'm happy that the other driver got arrested, but it doesn't matter, she's of the temperament that she'll do it again.

 

[Illini Warrior]

just got a chance to watch the video ... is that woman doing the taping - insane? .... who the hell follows a crackpot like that down the road .... she's just damn lucky that the crackpot didn't have a weapon - especially a firearm .... there was all kinds of places to pull over for a few minutes and let the other car get on down the road further ...

being defensive is the eazier part of staying safe - that's your end of the stick ....

 

[Christian for Israel]

just got a chance to watch the video ... is that woman doing the taping - insane? .... who the hell follows a crackpot like that down the road .... she's just damn lucky that the crackpot didn't have a weapon - especially a firearm .... there was all kinds of places to pull over for a few minutes and let the other car get on down the road further ...

being defensive is the eazier part of staying safe - that's your end of the stick ....

stopping or turning could have easily provoked the same reaction or worse...getting the pissed off driver behind her, intent on ramming into her. when dealing with someone out of their mind with rage, ANYTHING you do could set them off...including doing nothing at all. that's why it is imperative that we all keep a weapon close at hand at ALL TIMES with which to defend ourselves.

 

[Richard]

sorry I think this incident is not worthy of note, the pursuer had plenty of chances of pulling over or turning off

 

[Straycat]

Yep. She had a child in the car with her also. I saw many opportunities for her to just pull over, and let the aggressor's car pull away. Not every opportunity to "engage" needs to be taken, especially when you have a child with you. Another wannabe YouTube sensation.

I don't think pulling over would have worked - the other woman was the one clearly trying to engage her in an incident. I suspect if she had pulled over, the psycho bitch would have pulled over too and still confronted her. You can't expect logical methods to work with crazy.

 

[zeker]

personally I would have rolled the window up on her arm afetr she swung at me and then used the fone to call 9...1...1... very slowly

 

[Illini Warrior]

stopping or turning could have easily provoked the same reaction or worse...getting the pissed off driver behind her, intent on ramming into her. when dealing with someone out of their mind with rage, ANYTHING you do could set them off...including doing nothing at all. that's why it is imperative that we all keep a weapon close at hand at ALL TIMES with which to defend ourselves.

trouble is - she wasn't armed - smart talking if you're armed and alone .... this woman had absolutely no idea who was pulling these insane stunts - you wouldn't have either !!!! .... who says there wasn't more people in the vehicle .... they were bumper to bumper 3-4 times - one second for someone to pop that rear and blow you away sitting behind the wheel ....

taking everything into consideration .... if you would have blown away the driver - armed or unarmed .... don't bend over picking up that bar of prison soap .... they would nail you for fellow instigating and failure to remedy the hostility - you're following them - and in total control of your own destiny ....

you take the risk and make a calculated escape - defense is 90% inspiration and 10% perspiration

 

[packyderms_wife]

Yep. She had a child in the car with her also. I saw many opportunities for her to just pull over, and let the aggressor's car pull away. Not every opportunity to "engage" needs to be taken, especially when you have a child with you. Another wannabe YouTube sensation.

Agreed. And you can bet the lawyer for the woman charged will bring that up in court, and try to make it look like the woman following was the aggressor. But that brings up a very unpleasant truth: if the lady HAD turned off, backed off, what ever... then it's certain this violent, aggressive criminal would have never been caught (this time) and would certainly have continued this behavior - possibly killing someone down the road. Where do we draw the line between standing up to the bad guys vs. staying safe?

Reading the comments on the youtube video mentions the attacker had been charged with DWI just a week prior, involving an accident. People like that don't stop until they are put in handcuffs. Allowing them to 'get away' with it leads to wrecks, often deaths. Trying to do what this lady did can get you killed.

No good answers here. But a lot we can learn on tactics, and staying safe.

Sometimes these people don't pull around you when you try to get out of their way. for some reason they are fixated on the car, the driver, or who the hell knows but very often these peeps are on the verge of a psychotic break and yes they are looking for a pound of flesh.

Agreeing on the dash cam.

 

[Vtshooter]

You assume she would have drove on down the road. I love how the video lady is vilified. Try pulling this crap in front of a cop car, slamming on the brakes in an assumed attempt to have her hit you and see how it ends. At no time did I see the "pursuer" gun it, to "chase" the nut job. No one bothers addressing the no passing lines all the way through the vid.

Sure, the lady videoing was in the wrong, how twisted is that thinking? Why didn't the nutjob pull over, if she thought she was being pursued? Apparently local cops thought this through and did the right thing.

So what is your solution then? It was a police officer that told me, the best way to avoid a road rage incident, is to distance yourself from the aggressor. Stop, turn, turn around, slow down, pull into a business. I don't know if any of those things would have worked, or not. I know we didn't see her try. Yes, the lady doing the videoing was wrong in one respect; failure to safeguard her child. She made a nice video for the police to ID her killer after the fact.

 

[Ragnarok]

just got a chance to watch the video ... is that woman doing the taping - insane? .... who the hell follows a crackpot like that down the road .... she's just damn lucky that the crackpot didn't have a weapon - especially a firearm .... there was all kinds of places to pull over for a few minutes and let the other car get on down the road further ...

being defensive is the eazier part of staying safe - that's your end of the stick ....

The best defense is to avoid conflict.

 

[Countrymouse]

Here's another road-rage incident where the perp was caught & a Happy Ending---instant Karma:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-cl=85114404&v=Eoy0_pUyZ8o&x-yt-ts=1422579428#t=12

 

[Scotto]

That woman would have stuck her arm through my window? She'd have had some serious issues that would require immediate medical attention to her arm. Doubt if she'd ever try that crap again.

 

[Ramius]

Sometimes these people don't pull around you when you try to get out of their way. for some reason they are fixated on the car, the driver, or who the hell knows but very often these peeps are on the verge of a psychotic break and yes they are looking for a pound of flesh.

Agreeing on the dash cam.

Thanks- my reason for starting the thread was to discuss what could be learned to help us stay safe from this type of person. Both of your points are good ones.

 

[the watcher]

So what is your solution then? It was a police officer that told me, the best way to avoid a road rage incident, is to distance yourself from the aggressor. Stop, turn, turn around, slow down, pull into a business. I don't know if any of those things would have worked, or not. I know we didn't see her try. Yes, the lady doing the videoing was wrong in one respect; failure to safeguard her child. She made a nice video for the police to ID her killer after the fact.

While I'm all for videoing an incident, I think she should had done some of the suggestions you mentioned. One being pull over or slow way down and put some distance in between, even while videoing. I have done this myself, to cool a potential road rage incident. I lived in Houston, when it was in fashion to shoot others, while they drove along the hwy. I have met more than my fair share of nutjobs like this living there and in Austin. Now if the aggressor, had waited for her, well, that's something different.

I do think she was lucky the nutjob didn't go all out on her. but to blame the woman videoing, it's all her fault, well that's disingenuous. Like I said, the local cops got it right.

 

[Vtshooter]

I do think she was lucky the nutjob didn't go all out on her. but to blame the woman videoing, it's all her fault, well that's disingenuous. Like I said, the local cops got it right.

Cops certainly got it right, and I didn't mean to sound like I was blaming the victim for the incident. That woman in the lead car was drunk or nuts, or both. I wonder how much crap happened before she started filming? I've had people do that "cut you off then brake check you" thing too. I guess I did something to piss them off, but could never quite figure out what it was. Driving along, staying in my own lane. I'm glad it all turned out ok, and I really like the idea of a dash cam. Maybe a rear facing cam too.

 

[packyderms_wife]

Cops certainly got it right, and I didn't mean to sound like I was blaming the victim for the incident. That woman in the lead car was drunk or nuts, or both. I wonder how much crap happened before she started filming? I've had people do that "cut you off then brake check you" thing too. I guess I did something to piss them off, but could never quite figure out what it was. Driving along, staying in my own lane. I'm glad it all turned out ok, and I really like the idea of a dash cam. Maybe a rear facing cam too.

As I said earlier there is no rhyme or reason to this type of behavior other than the aggressor is experiencing a psychotic break. I live in a large university town, small city by comparison to most places (less than 75k during the school year, around 40k during the summer months) so one would think that we wouldn't have road rage incidents here.

Think again!

This past summer OC and I were stopped at a red light, third car in line in the left hand turning lane and some nut job, a man in boxer shorts and only boxer shorts, comes up running to the intersection screaming "COME ON GET YOUR F'ING ASSES MOVING" Note we still had a red light. He ran back to his little bitty car, and it was little bitty eco friendly thingies, swings out into traffic and comes racing around everyone and cutting off those trying to turn left. He turned into the county free place, and me thinks he was trying to get there before 4pm to get his meds or something cause he was totally whacked!

 

[Ramius]

Cops certainly got it right, and I didn't mean to sound like I was blaming the victim for the incident. That woman in the lead car was drunk or nuts, or both. I wonder how much crap happened before she started filming? I've had people do that "cut you off then brake check you" thing too. I guess I did something to piss them off, but could never quite figure out what it was. Driving along, staying in my own lane. I'm glad it all turned out ok, and I really like the idea of a dash cam. Maybe a rear facing cam too.

Nice thing about the cams, it eliminates the 'what happened before' question. That's a good thing if you did nothing wrong, but a not so good thing if you 'might' have done something to provoke things. I think it would tend to be like having a CCW- I'd think you'd tend to drive more carefully and less prone to 'payback' if you knew you were recording it.

 

[Christian for Israel]

So what is your solution then? It was a police officer that told me, the best way to avoid a road rage incident, is to distance yourself from the aggressor. Stop, turn, turn around, slow down, pull into a business. I don't know if any of those things would have worked, or not. I know we didn't see her try. Yes, the lady doing the videoing was wrong in one respect; failure to safeguard her child. She made a nice video for the police to ID her killer after the fact.

is that the same officer who told you that, in the event of an armed robbery you should give over your valuables and comply with the demands of the assailant?

i'm not saying that turning around would be wrong...actually it's a great idea...just that, being armed at all times and ready to actively defend yourself and your child is paramount, just in case turning around DOESN'T work.