INSANITY Wind farms - Ponder this

[Dennis Olson]

Ponder this for a moment.

The wind farm in Mt. Pulaski has been running for just and only 3 1/2 years. They have been replacing the generators in all the wind towers. There are 100 of them in this wind farm. So evidently the life span on the generators on these things appears to be just about 3 to 4 years. It takes 12 semi trucks and trailers, A 9 axle 500,000 pound crane, A 100,000 pound crane and 12 pick up trucks to change each generator. That is a huge amount of diesel fuel being used to maintain these wind towers. And the "Green Groups" would like You to believe they are all fueled by magic fairy dust.


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[Blacknarwhal]

You can't buck the logic on that one.

Maybe it's different for smaller ones for individual homes, but that's definitely not sustainable.

 

[Bud in Fla]

You could finish POing the libs and suggest that these units will run much longer if they're lubricated with whale oil.......

 

[kyrsyan]

Oh, it gets worse. None of the big components are recyclable. The motors and other parts are switched out on a maintenance schedule, whether the parts show longer life or not, because it can get real messy of one of those parts actually blows.

There's a whole pile of hidden things.

 

[LoupGarou]

I have been wondering about the times when there is no wind for a while and whether the armatures are heavy enough to bend over that time. I know the monster sized ones in the nuclear power plants around here need to be kept moving with a small pony motor (even if they have to power that motor with an onsite diesel generator) to keep the shaft from bending if it sits still.

I could just picture the out of balance, bent to heck armature up 400+ feet in the air causing the spinning genny to turn into a whirling dervish and showing off an "exploded parts view" in the middle of the field. Or, just vibrate the rest of the nacelle and tower to death...

 

[Macgyver]

I have been wondering about the times when there is no wind for a while and whether the armatures are heavy enough to bend over that time. I know the monster sized ones in the nuclear power plants around here need to be kept moving with a small pony motor (even if they have to power that motor with an onsite diesel generator) to keep the shaft from bending if it sits still.

I could just picture the out of balance, bent to heck armature up 400+ feet in the air causing the spinning genny to turn into a whirling dervish and showing off an "exploded parts view" in the middle of the field. Or, just vibrate the rest of the nacelle and tower to death...

The blades are not connected directly to the generator.
These things have massive gear boxes to kick the rpm's up.
The blades go from 20-400 rpm's the generator needs to run at an exact rpm to generate the 60hz power to sync to the grid. The generators themselves are turned at 1200 or 1800 rpm's depending on the design.

I worked at a place that built enormous pumps when I was in high school. They used to have to have a couple guys with a big bar go spin the big motors in storage. The armature would crush the bearings by themselves.
Some of them were in the 10-20,000 hp range.

 

[Macgyver]

Ponder this for a moment.

The wind farm in Mt. Pulaski has been running for just and only 3 1/2 years. They have been replacing the generators in all the wind towers. There are 100 of them in this wind farm. So evidently the life span on the generators on these things appears to be just about 3 to 4 years. It takes 12 semi trucks and trailers, A 9 axle 500,000 pound crane, A 100,000 pound crane and 12 pick up trucks to change each generator. That is a huge amount of diesel fuel being used to maintain these wind towers. And the "Green Groups" would like You to believe they are all fueled by magic fairy dust.


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Probably due to a poorly designed product and I would guess well within the warranty from the manufacture.

I'm far from a greene, but wind turbines can work in places where its always windy. Not so much for the idiots that think building them everywhere for the hell of it.

 

[energy_wave]

This was from the comment section of a local newspaper under an article about solar farms and zoning issues. They are building solar and wind farms all over the county I live in. Mostly in agricultural areas or in woodlands that are being chopped up with access roads and power lines. One wind farm north of me had to demolish all their foundations and repour them as they were under sized. They lost millions already just getting them built. Locals are really beginning to hate these farms and what they are doing to the country side.

Sweden, England, and Italy have voted to go back to Nuclear.
Germany commissioned 27 new coal plants and tore down a wind farm to make a new coal mine.
Denmark just killed 24 offshore wind projects.

 

[von Koehler]

Oh, it gets worse. None of the big components are recyclable. The motors and other parts are switched out on a maintenance schedule, whether the parts show longer life or not, because it can get real messy of one of those parts actually blows.

There's a whole pile of hidden things.

I have seen videos of the windmill blades being buried in landfills because there no practical way to recycle them.

 

[Blacknarwhal]

This was from the comment section of a local newspaper under an article about solar farms and zoning issues. They are building solar and wind farms all over the county I live in. Mostly in agricultural areas or in woodlands that are being chopped up with access roads and power lines. One wind farm north of me had to demolish all their foundations and repour them as they were under sized. They lost millions already just getting them built. Locals are really beginning to hate these farms and what they are doing to the country side.

A lot of farmers out here want to convert at least some land into solar farms. It's a pretty profitable use of smaller chunks of land, but the local governments barely understand electricity, let alone solar.

 

[connie]

And they need petroleum products to keep them lubricated and running.
Sweetwater TX has become a dumping ground for used / damaged blades.

 

[greysage]

If the truth is told in the end. The wind farms and solar farms, individual solar panels, battery banks, etc are going to prove to be one of our biggest environmental disasters. Would even bet they are more devastating than nuclear power generation.

 

[Macgyver]

A lot of farmers out here want to convert at least some land into solar farms. It's a pretty profitable use of smaller chunks of land, but the local governments barely understand electricity, let alone solar.

Yep, they are popping up around here even on Farmland that is development restricted.

The loop hole is they only drive posts into the ground to hold the panels. There are no foundations or other structures covering the surface of the ground and changing any kind of surface permeability.

 

[2dollarbill]

And they need petroleum products to keep them lubricated and running.
Sweetwater TX has become a duping ground for used / damaged blades.

Maybe they grind them all up and dump them into an active vulcano and melt them down.

 

[Blacknarwhal]

Yep, they are popping up around here even on Farmland that is development restricted.

The loop hole is they only drive posts into the ground to hold the panels. There are no foundations or other structures covering the surface of the ground and changing any kind of surface permeability.

Interesting notion. The folks own a chunk of land that's been tenant-farmed by an old family friend for decades. We've wondered about solar ourselves, since it's just 20 acres.

 

[LoupGarou]

The blades are not connected directly to the generator.
These things have massive rear boxes to kick the rpm's up.
The blades go from 20-400 rpm's the generator needs to run at an exact rpm to generate the 60hz power to sync to the grid. The generators themselves are turned at 1200 or 1800 rpm's depending on the design.

I worked at a place that built enormous pumps when I was in high school. They used to have to have a couple guys with a big bar go spin the big motors in storage. The armature would crush the bearings by themselves.
Some of them were in the 10-20,000 hp range.

I knew about the gearing up. I was just wondering if the armatures that they use have the same issue as the big ones here in NPPs, where if they sit still for more than a few hours, gravity starts to bend the shaft and ruin the armature. They do have "choc blocks" that they can put in for when they know they are going to have long downtime periods, but they have to manually put in those blocks.

I could just picture a wind field getting no wind for a few days during some odd weather event, sitting still there for that time, and having all of those armatures still and bending under the gravity caused stress. Once the duldrum was over, the wind picked back up, the armatures started spinning at 1200-1800RPM, and the whole nacelle started vibrating HARD at 20-30Hz, jackhammering all of the hardware from there to the ground.

 

[packyderms_wife]

Oh, it gets worse. None of the big components are recyclable. The motors and other parts are switched out on a maintenance schedule, whether the parts show longer life or not, because it can get real messy of one of those parts actually blows.

There's a whole pile of hidden things.

We have a couple of threads about this here at TBK, Iowa is a windmill grave yard! Thousands of them were damaged by that huge derecho we had a couple of years back, some are still idle because there's not enough replacement parts to fix them. The companies abandon them leaving the land owner with the responsibility of clean up which can run into the tens of thousands of dollars.

 

[packyderms_wife]

I could just picture a wind field getting no wind for a few days during some odd weather event, sitting still there for that time, and having all of those armatures still and bending under the gravity caused stress. Once the duldrum was over, the wind picked back up, the armatures started spinning at 1200-1800RPM, and the whole nacelle started vibrating HARD at 20-30Hz, jackhammering all of the hardware from there to the ground.

the ones here in Iowa have motors to make them run, no wind required.

 

[Luddite]

Don't forget the cost of the 40 or 50 MW battery banks tied into some systems for grid stability.

 

[Macgyver]

I knew about the gearing up. I was just wondering if the armatures that they use have the same issue as the big ones here in NPPs, where if they sit still for more than a few hours, gravity starts to bend the shaft and ruin the armature. They do have "choc blocks" that they can put in for when they know they are going to have long downtime periods, but they have to manually put in those blocks.

I could just picture a wind field getting no wind for a few days during some odd weather event, sitting still there for that time, and having all of those armatures still and bending under the gravity caused stress. Once the duldrum was over, the wind picked back up, the armatures started spinning at 1200-1800RPM, and the whole nacelle started vibrating HARD at 20-30Hz, jackhammering all of the hardware from there to the ground.

Most wind turbines are about 2 megawatts so about 2500 HP.
I don't think that puts them up in the size where constant rotation is needed.

 

[Macgyver]

the ones here in Iowa have motors to make them run, no wind required.

A generator is motor technically.

 

[Dennis Olson]

 

[cat killer]

You could finish POing the libs and suggest that these units will run much longer if they're lubricated with whale oil.......

I have a small can of whale oil, probably 4 oz.
I don't remember why I bought it I'm sure it came from Herter's and I'am willing to donate it.

 

[West]

I've read in a few pieces over the years and they get scrubbed from the net. But what I've been able to gather is that the average lifespans of the big mills is 20 years. But that's the actual structure and blades. The actual turbines motors/generators do need to be rebuilt or replaced every 3 to 5 years. Depending on the use.

And the cost of the rebuild or major maintenance that has to be done on all of the giant wind farm mills from time to time 3 to 5 years exceeds the amount of electricity it made.

IOW, once you figure out how much energy it took to build them in the first place and get them up and running with basic maintenance. Then after considering major maintenance there really not more efficient than conventional power plants. Way less efficient than hydropower and other green alternatives.

 

[Tristan]

It was a good plan - on paper...

 

[summerthyme]

And they need petroleum products to keep them lubricated and running.
Sweetwater TX has become a duping ground for used / damaged blades.

Yeah, an oil change every 6-8 months according to something I read... 900 gallons per change! Real green!

Summerthyme

 

[packyderms_wife]

Most wind turbines are about 2 megawatts so about 2500 HP.
I don't think that puts them up in the size where constant rotation is needed.

It's my understanding that these motors run continously since the wind out here is so unpredictable.

 

[savurselvs]

Ponder this for a moment.

The wind farm in Mt. Pulaski has been running for just and only 3 1/2 years. They have been replacing the generators in all the wind towers. There are 100 of them in this wind farm. So evidently the life span on the generators on these things appears to be just about 3 to 4 years. It takes 12 semi trucks and trailers, A 9 axle 500,000 pound crane, A 100,000 pound crane and 12 pick up trucks to change each generator. That is a huge amount of diesel fuel being used to maintain these wind towers. And the "Green Groups" would like You to believe they are all fueled by magic fairy dust.


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My experience is they don’t get built without the tax credits.
Simply put, they can’t make a profit there have to be subsidized.
Construction came to a stop, Every time the legislation or bill expired.
Once revived it was again”game on”

 

[Tristan]

As a general rule, once Govt. Subsidies are involved, Logic goes out the window, and in comes the Grift.

 

[Wildweasel]

I've read in a few pieces over the years and they get scrubbed from the net. But what I've been able to gather is that the average lifespans of the big mills is 20 years. But that's the actual structure and blades. The actual turbines motors/generators do need to be rebuilt or replaced every 3 to 5 years. Depending on the use.

And the cost of the rebuild or major maintenance that has to be done on all of the giant wind farm mills from time to time 3 to 5 years exceeds the amount of electricity it made.

IOW, once you figure out how much energy it took to build them in the first place and get them up and running with basic maintenance. Then after considering major maintenance there really not more efficient than conventional power plants. Way less efficient than hydropower and other green alternatives.

Oh, but the tax breaks, incentives and green initiative payments the companies get to build and install them! Friends of Al Gore and Obama pocket lining programs putting billions of our tax dollars into their grubby hands.

 

[Tristan]

Oh, but the tax breaks, incentives and green initiative payments the companies get to build and install them! Friends of Al Gore and Obama pocket lining programs putting billions of our tax dollars into their grubby hands.

Exactly.

Exactly what I'm referring to as the Grift.

It's but one of the ways they're strip-mining the American Taxpayer.

 

[bbbuddy]

The solar farms recycle the panels every 4 years, at least some in New Mexico. There a guy here sells used ones 4 years old for Cheap. We have purchased from him. $60 for 270watt panels....

So they aren't much greener than the wind farms....

 

[Millwright]

They work perfectly well in every location...

as long as you are the one getting kickbacks and subsidies.


They are a money laundering scheme, nothing else.

 

[Greywolf036]

A lot of farmers out here want to convert at least some land into solar farms. It's a pretty profitable use of smaller chunks of land, but the local governments barely understand electricity, let alone solar.

About that.
I reside in central PA. What's happening here, is those solar farms have been buying up farmers land. Say the farmer has about 500 acres, and is deciding to downsize, so he sells 200 acres to the solar energy folks, for the average fair market price per acre in that area.
No problem YET.
Then comes construction, roads, erosion control ect. Well turns out, on the average, the Construction company have been going over their allotted land purchases, on the average, 100, to 150 acres, on top of what they originally purchased.
Now here's the kicker, the solar outfit apparently has the lawyers, and Gubmint backing to pull an eminent domain on the land WITHOUT paying the farmer, so by the time the Farm has paid taxes, bills ect, what was a good deal, has been screwing the farmer AGAIN.
Yes they have the option to fight them in court, but any funds they had, well are already gone. And BTW, it seems that those power companies TARGET, Amish and Mennonite farmers, who by nature are not famous for fighting back, especially against corrupt corporations, lawyers, and politicians.

 

[Quiet Man]

But, but, but, Dennis -- It's green. They said so!!

Looks to me like all of the WEF agendas are going to start being seen for what they are -- frauds -- designed to create tyranny.

EVs anyone?

WEF Best By dates are expiring now.

 

[hiwall]

Just so no one else has to look it up.


Large-scale turbines typically rotate at 20 rpm. In most large-scale turbines, the low speed shaft is connected to a gearbox. The gearbox increases the rotational speed of the shaft, up to 1200-1800 rpm.

Wind turbines are all a government boondoggle.

 

[Txkstew]

My Dad was the Head Guy/Engineer/Manager at the Altoona Dam, North of Atlanta, when I was a kid. He was telling me one time, how they had to periodically shut down the Hydroelectric turbines for maintenance. A welder would have to crawl inside the impeller housing, to weld up, and grind smooth, big pits that form on the impeller blades from water cavitation.

There is no free energy.

 

[Profit of Doom]

A few tidbits to consider.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/01/27/bright-green-impossibilities/

To summarize: to get the world to zero emissions by 2050, our options are to build, commission, and bring on-line either:

• One 2.1 gigawatt (GW, 109 watts) nuclear power plant each and every day until 2050, OR

• 4000 two-megawatt (MW, 106 watts) wind turbines each and every day until 2050 plus a 2.1 GW nuclear power plant each and every day until 2050, assuming there’s not one turbine failure for any reason, OR

• 100 square miles (250 square kilometres) of solar panels each and every day until 2050 plus a 2.1 GW nuclear power plant each and every day until 2050, assuming not one of the panels fails or is destroyed by hail or wind.

I sincerely hope that everyone can see that any of those alternatives are not just impossible. They are pie-in-the-sky, flying unicorns, bull-goose looney impossible. Not possible physically. Not possible financially. Not possible politically.

Read those numbers carefully, then read them again.

 

[WFK]

This was from the comment section of a local newspaper under an article about solar farms and zoning issues. They are building solar and wind farms all over the county I live in. Mostly in agricultural areas or in woodlands that are being chopped up with access roads and power lines. One wind farm north of me had to demolish all their foundations and repour them as they were under sized. They lost millions already just getting them built. Locals are really beginning to hate these farms and what they are doing to the country side.

Sweden, England, and Italy have voted to go back to Nuclear.
Germany commissioned 27 new coal plants and tore down a wind farm to make a new coal mine.
Denmark just killed 24 offshore wind projects.

If that is fact, a lot of .gov are coming to their senses. I have followed the green nonsense for years.
When Germany scrapped their nuclear plants, they wanted to supplement their needs from France (which relies on nuclear.)

 

[colonel holman]

I knew about the gearing up. I was just wondering if the armatures that they use have the same issue as the big ones here in NPPs, where if they sit still for more than a few hours, gravity starts to bend the shaft and ruin the armature. They do have "choc blocks" that they can put in for when they know they are going to have long downtime periods, but they have to manually put in those blocks.

I could just picture a wind field getting no wind for a few days during some odd weather event, sitting still there for that time, and having all of those armatures still and bending under the gravity caused stress. Once the duldrum was over, the wind picked back up, the armatures started spinning at 1200-1800RPM, and the whole nacelle started vibrating HARD at 20-30Hz, jackhammering all of the hardware from there to the ground.

I recall during researching citizen opposition to local wind farms, windmills idled by still air consume power to keep blades turning ever so slowly, to protect bearings. They need incoming grid power for that purpose, reducing any net output levels