Who should have the right to VOTE?

[Indiansummer]

First question:

Can you spell "prop a ganda"?

If not you should not vote

Second question:

Can you identify propaganda?

Third question:
How do you spell propaganda? In three capitols?

Your captive audience awaits........

back to perviously scheduled program.

 

[Wiley]

The priviledge of voting should be reserved for people with a vested interest in the nation, I.E. Owns a home, owns land, has a full-time job, receives NO government income! Welfare-lifers should be not be allowed to vote as they are in essence, wards of the state.(A damn drain too)

 

[Grantbo]

The country was set up that only white, male, land or property owners could vote. It worked very well for a very long time. When everybody else got to vote we got the welfare state. When people can vote for taking everyone else's money then they do/did it.

 

[canis-major]

Tax paying citizens. Those on welfare should not vote.

 

[NC Susan]

How many votes did Pelosi just buy with her promise of ANOTHER economic stimulus package.

SOMEBODY has to pay that money back...........


ONLY people not on government dole should be allowed to vote.

and only people BORN IN THE USA and travelling on US Passports and able to pass the FBI employment background check should be allowed to run for President.

 

[BigBadBossyDog]

People who vote straight party ticket year after year after year should not have the right to vote. I wonder what would happen if the R and D were removed from the names on the ballot. My guess is a good 75% wouldn't have a clue who to vote for.

 

[Christian for Israel]

People who vote straight party ticket year after year after year should not have the right to vote. I wonder what would happen if the R and D were removed from the names on the ballot. My guess is a good 75% wouldn't have a clue who to vote for.

more like 90%.

only land owners should vote.

 

[BigBadBossyDog]

I was giving them the benefit of the doubt, lol.

I'm on the fence about landowners. I've owned my own home since I was 28 (an almost unheard of thing for a single woman back in those days). But I'm slightly considering selling my home and 3 acres and moving into a simpler life, if you kwim. People who have retired and changed lifestyles because they are tired should still be able to vote. They can be some of the most solid, patriotic citizens out there.

Same goes for being employed. I wouldn't want to have to carry around proof that I once owned property and had a job.

 

[vetus]

Only veterans should have the vote or be allowed to hold public office. If your not willing to die for it, you can't run it.

 

[big kumara]

more like 90%.

only land owners should vote.

What's the minimum acreage required?

 

[Publius]

What's the minimum acreage required?

None; All you had to do at one time was show up some where in your state and show your land patent and someone would take your name and then you were an elector.

 

[BigBadBossyDog]

Naw, that's too much trouble. How about a simple IQ test?

Question 1: Define "hope".

Oops, there go half the voters!

 

[jed turtle]

America (US of A) is the land of freedom and opportunity.
possession of land (they are not making any more of it) will someday be beyond the means of the people (making more everyday).

ability to serve in the military is not granted by God to everyone equally.

but i think a majority in the country would always agree that if one is willing to take an oath of allegiance to the Constitution and is willing to serve the country in times of need in whatever capacity that they are capable of, that that should qualify them for voting.
opportunity to take an oath to the Constitution should be denied to those whose "religion" permits them to lie. (ie: Islamic adherants).

i also think a majority here would also require that no one currently on welfare, or currently enjoying an entitlement of any sort, should be able to vote.

 

[mikester]

Nobody who receives welfare should be allowed to vote. That may get complicated for people who receive some form of public money but do not derive a majority of their income from it.

I would say anyone who receives more than 25% of their income from the government (or assistance in other forms such as public housing) should lose the right to vote right from the get-go. I might also exclude anyone who receives the "Earned Income Tax Credit" whether it is a majority of their income or not.

The idea is to stem this fiasco we have where the welfare class votes themselves more and more of our money without simultaneously setting the stage for elitists to take over as might happen if we had to own land to vote. We definitely desperately need to de-incentivize welfare and also prevent the tail from wagging the dog.

I like the idea (as in Starship Troopers) that "Service Guarantees Citizenship," but that might be a tough standard to stick to. A lot of them are on welfare and even from other countries. But I would definitely allow active-duty military to vote.

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy... --popularly attributed to Alexander Tytler

 

[Rescuedog]

Just people who pay taxes, no representation without taxation. Oh, and you should have to have a high school diploma.
RD

 

[Desperado]

you have to prove you have the ability to drive by taking a test.
You should have to prove your ability to think to vote.
There should be a minimum IQ level to vote.

Edited to add: Only people actually living in the US......
Sorry expatriated Americans, you moved, you don't have a say in the elections.
No dual citizenship holders should be allowed to vote, they have a vested interest in another country.

 

[mistaken1]

Tax paying citizens. Those on welfare should not vote.

I second the motion.

 

[rhughe13]

None; All you had to do at one time was show up some where in your state and show your land patent and someone would take your name and then you were an elector.

I can take an acre and sub-divide it up into 1 sq ft plots and sell votes. That wont work.

 

[G-Man]

only land owners should vote.

I agree! Of course it should be property/land that is free and clear of mortgages and/or any loans aganist it.......

 

[Desperado]

I would say anyone who receives more than 25% of their income from the government .

So you are ruling out Government employees? No difference they both depend on the government for their checks.

 

[mikester]

So you are ruling out Government employees? No difference they both depend on the government for their checks.

That's a tough one, but I think I'd be fine with that. We are getting to the point here where the state and other various governmental units are the largest employers and have the most lavish benefit packages. Once that happens a vicious feedback cycle ensues.

Taking away their right to vote might be a good way to reign that in. Might also make productive citizens think twice about creating another government job... ...or taking one. Might also remind government employees of who it is they work for.

 

[rhughe13]

That's a tough one, but I think I'd be fine with that. We are getting to the point here where the state and other various governmental units are the largest employers and have the most lavish benefit packages. Once that happens a vicious feedback cycle ensues.

Taking away their right to vote might be a good way to reign that in. Might also make productive citizens think twice about creating another government job... ...or taking one. Might also remind government employees of who it is they work for.

Hmmm. Works for me. Lets keep banksters out too. LOL!

 

[AR15ER]

How about we just go back to who could vote when the nation was founded?

Only land owners could vote.

 

[CelticRose]

Only those without felony convictions.

Only those who can prove that they are American citizens.

Only those who are mentally capable of serving on a jury.

Sorry, but those of 'diminished mental capacity', whether because they are retarded, psychotic, mentally impaired due to drug or alcohol addiction or any form of dementia; should not be allowed to vote. And most definately a caretaker for that person should not be allowed to 'vote for them / help them vote'.

 

[Scotsman]

only land owners should vote.

I must disagree with you sir. I do not own any land but think I should be allowed to vote. I am an EMT (have been for more than four years), have been a volunteer firefighter, and have had several college classes covering macro/micro-economics, governmental systems, etc. I don't consider myself to be a like most other Americans.
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While this list is by no means conclusive, I think people should be allowed to vote if they meet one (or more) of the following requirements:

Public servant (Cop, EMT, FireFighter) for greater than one year (or retired)
Prior (or current) military service of greater than one year (if prior, an honorable discharge/retirement is required)
A minimum I.Q. level (for example... circa 140)
Land owner (for greater than a year), by land owner I mean a piece of land large enough to put a home on
Current/retired public school teacher (if current, greater than five years teaching required)
F.B.I./C.I.A. current or retired (if current, greater than one year required)



And this would be a list of disqualifying factors:

On Welfare
Unable to speak, read, and write passable English
Under age 25 (unless in the military, F.B.I./C.I.A., or public servant)
Convicted of rape, murder, kidnapping, child molestation, bombing of public event/building (including Churchs of *any* faith)
Currently in governmental office (at any level--city, state, federal, etc.)
Any diagnoses of a mental disability (NOT emotional disability) such as: Alzhiemers, schizophrenia, etc. (note: I am not including *emotional* disorders such as OCD, Bi-Polar, etc.)
At any point attempting suicide (this I would call a severe mental disability)



Okay, that's about all I can think of off the top of my head. I'm sure I'll make a few people mad with this "list" (again, not conclusive) but it's JMHO.

 

[Binkerthebear]

Only TB2K members ...and original signers of the Declaration of Independence.

 

[Conrad Nimikos]

Jed said "ability to serve in the military is not granted by God to everyone equally.

but i think a majority in the country would always agree that if one is willing to take an oath of allegiance to the Constitution and is willing to serve the country in times of need in whatever capacity that they are capable of, that that should qualify them for voting.
opportunity to take an oath to the Constitution should be denied to those whose "religion" permits them to lie. (ie: Islamic adherants).

i also think a majority here would also require that no one currently on welfare, or currently enjoying an entitlement of any sort, should be able to vote. "

i don't care what religion a person belongs to some will lie. Look at what we have in congress now.

In Heinleins' book "Starship Troopers" anyone who served in the military earned the right to vote. In the book when the main character was at the sign up desk he asked the recruiter what would happen if a person with no arms or legs wanted to serve. The recruiter said they would be accepted and given the chance to earn the right to vote even if the only thing they could do was act as a book end. I recommend reading the book.

 

[Copter Doctor]

Only TB2K members ...and original signers of the Declaration of Independence.

Very good!

 

[Desperado]

I don't know about prior military service being a requirement.
How many of you actually served in the Military?
If you have, then you know there are plenty of people in the military that you would not want pulling any kind of lever.
The military s just like any other large organization, it is composed of many types and it should not automatically qualify someone the right to vote.

 

[Josie]

Requirements to vote (must qualify for atleast three of the first four)
1. High School proficiency exam passed
2. At least 18 or younger if serving in the military
3. Must pay property taxes
4. Be able to pass a basic civics exam
This one is mandatory...
5. Be able to prove your intelligence by being able to operate the d@mn voting mechanism, be it written ballot, computer punch card or electornic touch screen!!!

 

[Worrier King]

Jed said "ability to serve in the military is not granted by God to everyone equally.

but i think a majority in the country would always agree that if one is willing to take an oath of allegiance to the Constitution and is willing to serve the country in times of need in whatever capacity that they are capable of, that that should qualify them for voting.

The last thing the Founding Fathers wanted was a Standing Army.

Despite taking a oath to the constitution, that oath is broken when service to the dem/repub party begins. Not to mention that militarism is collectivism, and the decent and honorable and well-intentioned people in our military need to remember where the funds are coming from to provide for them. Historically, Armies have often broken the economic backs of the nations they were designed to defend,and the U.S. has taken that to new levels with the military industrial complex Ike and others warned us about.

The entire, essential problem in the U.S. is that people don't differentiate between national/constitutional values and what the dem/repub party carries out as mandate.

The illegitimate corporate government ordering our military about have failed to do their basic constitutional duties, such as defending the border. What use is a military that is subverted into not only not defending it's own border, but is continually hamstringed by politicians into not obtaining lasting, decisive military-political victory.

Constitutionally, the concept is if your born a sovereign citizen of the U.S. you should be able to gain the right to vote. The globalist dem/repub party has bastardized and corrupted this idea.

 

[Wiley]

Naw, that's too much trouble. How about a simple IQ test?

Question 1: Define "hope".

Oops, there go half the voters!

Question 2: What is the Constitution?

There goes 90% of the ones left and we're back to having responsible CITIZENS voting.

Ok, I'm convinced, let's do it!

 

[Trek]

Only those without felony convictions.

Only those who can prove that they are American citizens.

Only those who are mentally capable of serving on a jury.

Sorry, but those of 'diminished mental capacity', whether because they are retarded, psychotic, mentally impaired due to drug or alcohol addiction or any form of dementia; should not be allowed to vote. And most definately a caretaker for that person should not be allowed to 'vote for them / help them vote'.

+1

 

[NC Susan]

So you are ruling out Government employees? No difference they both depend on the government for their checks.

working for the government is not the same as not working and drawing a relief check.
Retirement is not the same as not working and drawing a relief check.
Social Security is not the same as welfare check.
Property owners and apartment renters and condo owners are not the same as occupants for five generations in welfare free subsidized housing.


civil service is not the same as a welfare queen

Think of Crystal Magnum the Duke LaCross stripper prostitute and the thousands of dollars she raked in as a whore, while her mother raised her kids with subsidized housing, medicaid, food stamps, school free lunches, and charity works for clothing, and shoes for those kids.

Instead of holding down a job, and taking care of her children, Crystal was able to run the streets and prostitute and buy cocain for her babies daddies while destroying the lives of taxpaying tuition paying college students.

 

[Digital Omnivore]

The country was set up that only white, male, land or property owners could vote. It worked very well for a very long time. When everybody else got to vote we got the welfare state. When people can vote for taking everyone else's money then they do/did it.

Sad but true. Although, I disagree that everyone will vote to take someone else's money. That is why being a land owner made so much sense, if you own a little something, then you understand what ownership and work is.

Once you understand that, the likelihood you'd vote to steal from someone else goes down, in my opinion.

 

[Christian for Israel]

more like 90%.

only land owners should vote.

i should add i live in an apartment and don't own land myself...yet. i still think only land owners should be allowed to vote. i also think only sovereign american citizens should be allowed to own land, and all land owners should be required to perform military/civil service if needed.

i disagree with paying taxes being a requirement because i disagree with income tax. return to a constitutional banking system (where the gvmt loans money and the interest on those loans finances the gvmt), do away with social programs and reduce the gvmt to a constitutionally acceptable size and income tax won't be necessary.

 

[NC Susan]

i should add i live in an apartment and don't own land myself...yet. i still think only land owners should be allowed to vote. i also think only american citizens should be allowed to own land, and all land owners should be required to perform military/civil service if needed.

and I think only people born in the USA that can pass an FBI employment background check should be allowed to run for President

 

[BigBadBossyDog]

5. Be able to prove your intelligence by being able to operate the d@mn voting mechanism, be it written ballot, computer punch card or electornic touch screen!!!

There went Florida!

lol

 

[WildDaisy]

That's a tough one, but I think I'd be fine with that. We are getting to the point here where the state and other various governmental units are the largest employers and have the most lavish benefit packages. Once that happens a vicious feedback cycle ensues.

Taking away their right to vote might be a good way to reign that in. Might also make productive citizens think twice about creating another government job... ...or taking one. Might also remind government employees of who it is they work for.

My father has received a government check from the fire department for the last 45 years. He has risked his life, and was even in NY helping during 9/11.

He gave in service to this country through the Navy and through his firefighting, going so far as dragging body parts out of the ruins.

So you are saying that because he is a government employee, he has no right to vote?

 

[Josie]

Requirements to vote (must qualify for atleast three of the first four)
1. High School proficiency exam passed
2. At least 18 or younger if serving in the military
3. Must pay property taxes
4. Be able to pass a basic civics exam
This one is mandatory...
5. Be able to prove your intelligence by being able to operate the d@mn voting mechanism, be it written ballot, computer punch card or electornic touch screen!!!

I forgot to add to the mandatory list...
6. MUST be a U.S. Citizen and have proof of such.

I assumed that was implied but you know what they say about assuming anything...