RACE "Who is a Jew?" answered? Israel now using DNA to decide who is a Jew

MinnesotaSmith

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https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...ing-dna-testing-to-prove-jewishness-1.6902132

Israeli Rabbinate Accused of Using DNA Testing to Prove Jewishness

'It is really terrifying thinking where this could lead,' advocate warns. 'Judaism is not about race and blood, as our worst enemies have claimed'

Judy Maltz
Feb 04, 2019

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Israeli rabbinical courts are increasingly relying on DNA tests in cases where the Jewishness of individuals seeking to marry is in doubt, recent complaints suggest. In almost all of these cases, the individuals who were asked or advised to undergo genetic testing were immigrants from the former Soviet Union or their offspring.

About half a dozen complaints about the practice have been filed over the past year or so with ITIM, an organization that assists immigrants and converts challenged by Israel’s religious bureaucracy.

“It is really terrifying thinking where this could lead,” Elad Caplan, the director of the advocacy center at ITIM, told Haaretz. “Judaism is about belonging and community – it’s not about race and blood, as our worst enemies have claimed.”

In one recent case, he said, a bride-to-be was sent for DNA testing because she was born quite a few years after her parents were married, and doubts were raised as to whether she was the biological daughter of the woman.

In another case, Caplan said, a woman was sent for DNA testing after she reported that her mother was in her mid-forties when she gave birth to her and doubts were raised as to whether this could have been possible.

A Jewish bride and groom must marry through the Orthodox-controlled Chief Rabbinate’s office if they wish to be recognized as married in Israel. All couples seeking to marry through the Rabbinate must first register at one of its local offices.

These offices will typically refer individuals to the rabbinical courts if no certification exists that the mother of the bride or groom was married through the Rabbinate (or by a rabbi approved by the Rabbinate if they are from overseas). Likewise, couples will be referred to the rabbinical court if suspicions have been raised about the authenticity of the documentation they presented.

In several recent rulings of the rabbinical courts, Caplan said, DNA test results have been used to provide further evidence of a person’s Jewishness. But to the best of his knowledge, he said, they have never been relied on exclusively.

In some cases, individuals have been asked to provide DNA proof that their mother was, in fact, their biological mother. This is because Jewish religious law, or halakha, defines a Jew as the child of a Jewish mother. In other cases, individuals have been asked to provide DNA test results that show they are of Jewish-Ashkenazi descent.

Mitochondrial DNA is inherited exclusively from a person’s mother, so genetic markers can be traced back many generations to determine a person’s maternal ancestors with a high degree of certainty. A 2006 study showed that 40 percent of all Ashkenazi Jews are descended from just four Jewish women who lived more than 1,000 years ago. That study concluded that if someone bears specific mitochondrial DNA markers, there is a 90 to 99 percent chance he or she is descended from one of those women.

None of the individuals who received requests for DNA testing, whose identity is known to ITIM, were willing to speak with Haaretz.

Within the Orthodox movement, there has been a push in recent years to get the Rabbinate to recognize DNA test results as a legitimate way of establishing whether an individual is Jewish according to halakha.

Among the topics discussed at the annual convention of Israeli rabbinical judges, held last week at Kibbutz Lavi in northern Israel, was the reliability of DNA testing in making such determinations.

A driving force in the campaign to get the Rabbinate to use DNA testing more widely is Eretz Hemdah, a Jerusalem-based institute that trains rabbinical judges. Several halakhic opinions on the matter have been published by the well-respected institution in recent years.

Advocates maintain that DNA testing could assist individuals whose Jewishness has been called into question by helping them avoid the time-consuming and difficult procedure of conversion to Judaism.

An estimated 400,000 Russian-speaking Israelis are not considered Jewish by halakha and, therefore, face huge challenges when trying to get married in the country.

“Thirty years ago, during the massive wave of aliyah from the former Soviet Union, the attitude of Rabbi Ovadia Yosef – who was the Sephardi chief rabbi – was that if these people say they’re Jewish, we should take their word for it,” said Caplan. “But ever since the bar of suspicions is constantly being raised, and this is just the latest example.”

Asked to comment, a spokesman for the Rabbinate referred Haaretz to the spokesman of the rabbinical courts. The spokesman of the rabbinical courts said: “We are not commenting."
 

Ragnarok

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Asked to comment, a spokesman for the Rabbinate referred Haaretz to the spokesman of the rabbinical courts. The spokesman of the rabbinical courts said: “We are not commenting."

CHIEF RABBINATE ADMITS USING DNA TESTS TO HELP DETERMINE JEWISH STATUS
Orthodox organizations denounce the use of DNA testing as contrary to Jewish law

Jewish law does not recognize the validity of DNA testing to prove Jewishness.

“The Chief Rabbinate and the Rabbinical Courts are using technology rather than Jewish law to determine Jewishness, and this is a slippery slope which will create different classes of Jews, something which Jewish law completely opposes,” said Farber. “Lau insists that people are falsifying their Jewish status, but would be well advised to deal responsibly with Jewish peoplehood instead of dismissing Jews who don’t look or act like he does.”

Rabbi Aaron Leibowitz, CEO of the Hashgacha Pratit organization, which runs an Orthodox marriage service outside of the Chief Rabbinate called Chuppot, denounced the use of DNA testing, describing it as racist.

“The Chief Rabbinate is dividing and fracturing Israeli society. Sending olim for DNA testing is another step in turning the ‘inquiry’ of Judaism into the prosecution of Judaism, and in the blurring of lines between halachic due diligence and what is experienced by couples as something embarrassing and insulting, akin to a criminal investigation,” said Leibowitz.
https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/C...-tests-for-Jewish-status-determination-582605
 

MinnesotaSmith

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Perhaps...

They have been doing that for years already.

But, this seemed to go way beyond proving/disproving ancestry to a specific (known as Jewish) apparent ancestor. A general lab test screening for Jewishness would IMO be a bombshell. Wait until an equivalent gets used for slavery reparations or affirmative action eligibility...
 

Meadowlark

Has No Life - Lives on TB
So much for being an inclusive faith. Henry Hill the gangster became a jew to marry Karen. He remained supposedly faithful, despite the drugs and booze parts, his whole life. Oh an that being a gangster part too.
 

homecanner1

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75 percent are lactose intolerant, not surprising. Desert climate, no refrigeration, or icy temps, they never developed any tolerance for dairy foods due to spoilage factor other than yogurt fermented type products. Yes I am aware of goat and sheep feta too. But its different from bovine based cheese. DNA is going to be a gamechanger. Wait till blacks start really using these services and determine who the white great great grandfather was.
 

Cardinal

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So much for being an inclusive faith. Henry Hill the gangster became a jew to marry Karen. He remained supposedly faithful, despite the drugs and booze parts, his whole life. Oh an that being a gangster part too.

It was never an inclusive faith. It is very tough to convert. They are supposed to turn you away 3 times and if you still want to do it, then they start tutoring you.
 

Babs

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I don't understand what it matters to anyone outside of Judaism.
 
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fish hook

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Once again the tribe of Judah is trying to grab more than they have rights to.What about the OTHER 11 tribes?They also have rights to the promised land.
 

Gercarson

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Once again the tribe of Judah is trying to grab more than they have rights to.What about the OTHER 11 tribes?They also have rights to the promised land.

I don't think this is to exclude any of the tribes - reading the Old Testament we have to wonder how Israel (Jacob) determines who - after all this time - can be from the Levi lineage to serve as the various duties of priests. Perhaps the DNA will reveal members of the 12 tribes rather than exclude those who were and have been "grafted in".
 

Squib

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Is it a test for hasidic and/or ashkenazi jews?

Exactly! Although the question is Sephardic vs. Ashkanazi, isn’t it?

Sephardim have Hebrew DNA, Askenzanzi don’t.

One is a descendant of Shem and therefore Semitic, the other is a son of Japheth and therefore a Gentile.

I always wondered why Children of Ashkenaz could be considered Jews when they’re admittedly not descended from Noah’s son Shem.
 

CaryC

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I don't think this is to exclude any of the tribes - reading the Old Testament we have to wonder how Israel (Jacob) determines who - after all this time - can be from the Levi lineage to serve as the various duties of priests. Perhaps the DNA will reveal members of the 12 tribes rather than exclude those who were and have been "grafted in".

While modern ...jews/rabbis may claim this or that, it's more in line with a liberal mind set. As in nondiscrimination sort of thing. What with all the racism slander being shouted.

But to serve in the Temple one had to be from the tribe of Levi. Just having the last name of Cohen doesn't work. Just being Jewish doesn't count, either.

A definitive work on ancestry, and now DNA to qualify people must be done. Interesting that until the discovery, and other items in DNA a Levi lineage in the 21st century may not of been possible. There's lots of talk about rebuilding the Temple. They will need priests.
 

jed turtle

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Exactly! Although the question is Sephardic vs. Ashkanazi, isn’t it?

Sephardim have Hebrew DNA, Askenzanzi don’t.

One is a descendant of Shem and therefore Semitic, the other is a son of Japheth and therefore a Gentile.

I always wondered why Children of Ashkenaz could be considered Jews when they’re admittedly not descended from Noah’s son Shem.

That’s my thinking. Unless a bunch of Hebrew women were immigrating into Kazakhstan from Babylon when the Kazakh king forced his nation to convert to Judaism, I do not see how Israel considers the ashkenazi to be Jews at all except culturally.
 
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