Where is Hillary These Days? Has Anyone Even Seen Her?

Seeker

3 Bombs for Hawkins
An internet search has only turned up articles and press release statements. Can anybody here report any sightings?

Clinton Supporters Try One More Tack
As many have been saying all along, Senator Barack Obama is only the presumed Democratic nominee. And that fact has given heart to some of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s supporters, who are investing tens of thousands of dollars to pressure the party to put her name to a binding vote at the convention next month.

The Denver Group, founded by two political novices who have been frustrated with the treatment of Mrs. Clinton since February, ran full-page ads on Wednesday and two weeks ago in The Chicago Tribune and Congressional Quarterly calling for Mrs. Clinton to be placed “in nomination” in Denver. They contend that because neither candidate has enough elected delegates to claim the nomination, Democratic Party rules call for a process to begin that could result in her name being presented for possible nomination at the convention. Wednesday’s ad cited Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who won the nomination on the fourth round of balloting.

“Contentious politics is not losing politics,” said Marc Rubin, a television and movie writer. He and the co-founder of the Denver Group, Heidi Li Feldman of the Georgetown Law Center, say that a perceived forced unity imposed by party leadership is likely to alienate Clinton supporters and ultimately cost the eventual nominee the election.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/tag/hillary-rodham-clinton/
 
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Amaryllis

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I'm not sure why, but I'm almost convinced that McCain will pick Hillary to be his running mate, and that she knows this. :shr:
 

Roadkill

Senior Member
I'm not sure why, but I'm almost convinced that McCain will pick Hillary to be his running mate, and that she knows this. :shr:

That is far-fetched enough to be true! If McCain were to pick her it would be over. Obama wouldn't be able to buy a headline after that. He wouldn't win a single state. What is really scary is that McCain is just unconventional enough to consider it. I'll bet it has at least been bought up in brainstorming sessions.

I won't sleep for weeks now.:shkr:;)

Actually I am in the camp that feels the demo nomianation is NOT a done deal. If enough super delegates can be convinced, bought, threatened or whatever you never know. Things could be very interesting in Denver.
 

TerriHaute

Hoosier Gardener
Actually I am in the camp that feels the demo nomianation is NOT a done deal. If enough super delegates can be convinced, bought, threatened or whatever you never know. Things could be very interesting in Denver.

I think it's possible too. I have this feeling that Hillary and Bill are busy behind the scenes trying to make this happen. Obama keeps making gaffes and underlining his inexperience. I think this makes a lot of Dems uneasy and the mood could swing in HRC's favor.

She's still recovering from that house falling on her.

TW, you owe me a new keyboard!!
 

Amaryllis

Inactive
That is far-fetched enough to be true! If McCain were to pick her it would be over. Obama wouldn't be able to buy a headline after that. He wouldn't win a single state. What is really scary is that McCain is just unconventional enough to consider it. I'll bet it has at least been bought up in brainstorming sessions.

I won't sleep for weeks now.:shkr:;)

Actually I am in the camp that feels the demo nomianation is NOT a done deal. If enough super delegates can be convinced, bought, threatened or whatever you never know. Things could be very interesting in Denver.

I'm kind of surprised Obama hasn't thought of this, and gone ahead and announced Hillary as his running mate. If given the choice, she'd be better off with McCain since (I hate to say it) his age and health aren't bad but not too wonderful either.
 

Worrier King

Deceased
She's relaxing while plotting at one of her secret survival lairs. Henchmen at her side, with many comings and goings occurring. :ld:
 

SIRR1

Deceased
HRC is still alive

Here is an email Hillary sent me just this week!

07-29-08

Dear John,

Summer is a time for simple pleasures: family vacations, baseball games, and dinner out under the stars. At least it is if you aren't running for president!

It sure is nice having a little more time on my hands, and I'd love to spend some of it with you. Would you like to join me for dinner?

During the campaign, I had the chance a few times to grab meals with supporters, but they were always rushed thanks to the frenetic pace of the campaign. This is my first chance to sit down and spend some real one-on-one time with you. If you enter today, we could be having dinner together soon!

Join me for dinner. Make a contribution today.

My staff has been calling this my "retirement dinner" -- not because I'm retiring, of course, but because we're working on retiring the debt we owe to small vendors all over the country. And everyone who acts today will have the chance to join me -- along with a guest -- for a dinner to talk about whatever you'd like.

Let's go to dinner! Contribute now, and you and I could be enjoying a summer dinner together soon!

Join me for dinner. Make a contribution today.

Thank you so much for all your wonderful support.

All the best,

Hillary.


What do you think, should I send her a few bucks?
 

Mechanic

Inactive
I'm kind of surprised Obama hasn't thought of this, and gone ahead and announced Hillary as his running mate. If given the choice, she'd be better off with McCain since (I hate to say it) his age and health aren't bad but not too wonderful either.

Imagine her being president by default, i.e. something happens to whomever she runs with? (if, and only if - I surely hope she just goes away)

Anyway... can a two-party duo actually run for office? Can there be such a thing? HAS there been such a thing? :confused:

Besides all that, I could actually see America accepting her as a vice president better than a full-on prez (even though it was always Bill who had all the vice). Same with 'Bama-lama-ding-dong. He needs a VP slot first, and then his next election would be in the bag.
 

Nanook

Inactive
She's sticking pins in an Obamination voodoo doll. She's trying to make him say something stupid.

Looks like it's working pretty well.
 

Tundra Gypsy

Veteran Member
I think she's busy doing research on Obama. Where the heck was he born? Is he really a non-citizen? Busy looking for witness/participants in drug/sex events. Oh she's busy alright; quietly going about the business she is soooo good at; and Bill is right beside her, egging her to find out all she can about Obama to bring to the DNC in Colorado. It is going to be one heck of a convention. :)
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Lncoln and Johnson were from different parties, but THAT was the result of the HOUSE SELECTING THEM that year......
 

Amaryllis

Inactive
Anyway... can a two-party duo actually run for office? Can there be such a thing? HAS there been such a thing? :confused:

I'm assuming the Republican party wouldn't care. They don't seem to have any rules at all about that type of thing as far as I can tell. The Dems on the other hand would probably pitch a FIT about her running with McCain. They might would just outright forbid it.

Unlike the Reps, the Dems seem to micro-manage everything: who gets to vote in the primaries, who is on the ballot in what state and for what reason, what kind of napkins & plates to use at the conventions, who gets to decide the nominee (delegates, NOT even the actual voters). I don't even know why the dems bother to have primaries. Just a formality I guess.

So IMO, if it weren't allowed, it would be because the dems wouldn't allowed it.
 

sunflowerstation

Veteran Member
Oh Fisher...



What does Bill say to Hillary after sex?
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I'll be home in 20 minutes.



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Love it!!!

Sunny
 

RobinYyes

Deceased
I'm kind of surprised Obama hasn't thought of this, and gone ahead and announced Hillary as his running mate. If given the choice, she'd be better off with McCain since (I hate to say it) his age and health aren't bad but not too wonderful either.


Well yeah, there would be far fewer (if any) questions were she to kill him. Now if she' was obamanation's running mate that would be a different story.
 

buff

Deceased
she is in the dark damp recesses underneath someones basement stairs...

licking her wounds and plotting her revenge...
 

Richard

TB Fanatic
I think it's possible too. I have this feeling that Hillary and Bill are busy behind the scenes trying to make this happen. Obama keeps making gaffes and underlining his inexperience. I think this makes a lot of Dems uneasy and the mood could swing in HRC's favor.



TW, you owe me a new keyboard!!

do you really think so, we're given the impression in the UK that its Obama winner takes all
 

FireDance

TB Fanatic
do you really think so, we're given the impression in the UK that its Obama winner takes all

Richard - do you happen to remember what the buzz was about Bush back when? I remember a headline from a paper in Wales that had Bush on the front and headline said something like "Please Don't Do This to Us!" I'm pretty sure that was the second election, but not positive. I'd especially like to know what was said before the first Bush "election", but if you're like me, that could be lost in the sands of time...

Glad you guys think it's going to be Obamanation - that's our man! NOT.
 

TerriHaute

Hoosier Gardener
do you really think so, we're given the impression in the UK that its Obama winner takes all

You must have been listening to the BBC. :lkick: It's too soon to assume that Obama has it all wrapped up. Even though he was wildly popular with Europeans on his recent trip (or so we have been told by MSM here), Americans are less convinced. The more he is in the public eye, the more his inexperience shines through and it makes people uneasy. Recent national polls show Obama and McCain running neck-and-neck at the moment. If it starts to look like Obama is cannot beat McCain in the general election, I predict a lot of Dems will jump off the Obama ship. There are already rumblings of several super delegates that have pledged for Obama changing their minds to "uncommitted". And you can bet money that Hillary and her minions are working hard behind the scenes to apply pressure. It all will depend on whether Democratic Party leaders have enough control to keep everyone in line and prevent the convention from turning into a big circus.

It should be interesting to watch. :popcorn1:
 

Richard

TB Fanatic
You must have been listening to the BBC. :lkick: It's too soon to assume that Obama has it all wrapped up. Even though he was wildly popular with Europeans on his recent trip (or so we have been told by MSM here), Americans are less convinced. The more he is in the public eye, the more his inexperience shines through and it makes people uneasy. Recent national polls show Obama and McCain running neck-and-neck at the moment. If it starts to look like Obama is cannot beat McCain in the general election, I predict a lot of Dems will jump off the Obama ship. There are already rumblings of several super delegates that have pledged for Obama changing their minds to "uncommitted". And you can bet money that Hillary and her minions are working hard behind the scenes to apply pressure. It all will depend on whether Democratic Party leaders have enough control to keep everyone in line and prevent the convention from turning into a big circus.

It should be interesting to watch. :popcorn1:


yep the BBC is a pro-left win or pro UK Govt or pro Labour or pro EU/NWO propaganda channel
if it is close then makes it more interesting, wasn't there a more experienced/able black candidate that the Demos could have chosen

what will happen if Oby man loses!
 

Richard

TB Fanatic
Richard - do you happen to remember what the buzz was about Bush back when? I remember a headline from a paper in Wales that had Bush on the front and headline said something like "Please Don't Do This to Us!" I'm pretty sure that was the second election, but not positive. I'd especially like to know what was said before the first Bush "election", but if you're like me, that could be lost in the sands of time...

Glad you guys think it's going to be Obamanation - that's our man! NOT.

can't remember certainly the left wing press opposed Shrub, not sure what they said in 2000 though, don't suppose they knew much about him
 

Surprise

Inactive
Based on what I have read about Bill and Hill, them going away quietly just does not sound right. What is it about little kids, when they are in the playroom making a rumpus you can rest easy, but then when all goes quite, better see what they are up to?

When I heard about this incident of reporters being alerted to John Edwards being at that hotel in the wee hours of the morning where his alleged mistress was....and then him running and hiding in the bathroom when he tried to slip out and they were there to confront him, I gotta tell you I immediately thought Hillary gotcha Edwards!! Somehow the Clinton's got the goods on him. We have no idea what Edwards might have led Hillary to believe about his delegates before he came out and gave his support to Obama plus Edwards might be jockeying for some kind of cabinet seat....
Fox News web site has details of that Edwards in the hotel incident if you missed it or even care to read about it.

so should Bill Richardson look out too?

I am still waiting on that last minute rabbit out of the hat from the "Clinton Machine" taking Obama down.
 
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Wardogs

Deceased
August 1, 2008
Hey, Barack, Hillary Only Suspended Her Campaign
Frank Salvato
http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.772/pub_detail.asp

In the turbulent wake left by Barack Obama's world tour - his campaign to be loved by all, less a significant percentage of the American people - it seems something has slipped the minds of David Axelrod and David Plouffe; Hillary Clinton didn't quit her campaign, she suspended it. This becomes increasingly significant as more Americans - more Democrats, Progressive-Leftists and especially Democrat superdelegates - realize that Barack Obama is less about substance and more about marketing; more about "flash."

In light of the shameful snubbing Barack Obama inflicted upon the wounded US military personnel at Landstuhl Regional Medical Center in Germany, it is painfully clear that he is not the candidate of "change." If anything he is this election cycle's version of the status quo; a hybrid of inflated rhetoric and Madison Avenue glitz. He offers hollow bumper-sticker catchphrase solutions ("yes we can," "hope," and "change") to political, social and ideological problems he is ill equipped to address professionally. This is the typical tradecraft of a political operative possessing an extremely limited political resume.

Those not blinded by the "bright, shiny thing" - the distractions of the hollow rhetoric and media marketing - understand that Obama is a political creation of the Chicago Democrat Machine; the Chicago Daley Machine. He is a slickly choreographed media tool meant to reinvent the image of the Democrat Party for the 21st Century. The first clue to this reality is the fact that his main campaign handler (some would say "puppet master") is David Axelrod, a longtime strategist for Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley, who fancies himself a "strategist in urban politics." More recently, proof of the Chicago connection can be seen in the fact that the DNC moved a major portion of its operations to Chicago.

Truth be told, an investigative reporter for a junior high school newspaper could divine the fact that while Obama's marketing team has successfully packaged the candidacy of Barack Obama as the "secular second-coming," he is, truthfully, just another product - another political operative - of the Chicago political machine. Even for the dead who routinely vote in Chicago this comes as no surprise. But there is something taking everyone by surprise - even the dead in Chicago: Barack Obama is starting to buy into the facade created by his marketing gurus.

Former Bush political genius, Karl Rove, was perhaps the first strategist to recognize Obama's Achilles heal: vanity. Obama's arrogance grew as he rose through the primary field to square off against Hillary Clinton - and then as he assumed (the operative word for this article) the mantle of Democrat nominee for president. At first his arrogance came off as confidence, as good self-esteem, a quality that attracted the Liberal electorate. But as his arrogance grew, as his adoring masses nurtured his politically naïve belief that one politician, one elected official, can singularly change the everyday working of inside-the-beltway politics, that arrogance and misplaced confidence started to feed the beast of ego.

Obama's ego exploded onto the world, witness his recent closed-door meeting with Congressional Democrats:

"...this is the moment, as Nancy [Pelosi] noted, that the world is waiting for... I have become a symbol of the possibility of America returning to our best traditions... It has become increasingly clear in my travel, the campaign -- that the crowds, the enthusiasm, 200,000 people in Berlin, is not about me at all. It's about America. I have just become a symbol..."

As Obama's ego grows, so does the budding discontent within his base and his political party. The anti-war Left is critical of his flip-flopping on funding the war effort, his waffling on the immediate removal of troops from the Iraqi battle theater and his sudden dedication to committing troops to multiple battle theaters in the war against radical Islamists globally. The pro-Islamist/anti-national security/anti-capitalist Left is outraged by his vote on the retooled FISA law. The feminist Left is bitter - and rightly so - over his playing the race-card in his perceived defeat of Hillary Clinton, so much so that close to half of all female Hillary Clinton supporters are refusing to vote for him, opting instead to vote for the Center-Right John McCain. And as Obama's ego grows, as his arrogance wafts increasingly from radios and televisions across the country...excuse me, around the world, more factions jump off the "Soul Train."

Meanwhile, Barack Obama has pledged to help Hillary Clinton retire her campaign debt. He has enlisted her help in reaching out, not only to those Liberals and Progressive-Leftists disenfranchised by his "assumed" nomination, but to all Democrats. In doing so Obama has been singing Clinton's praises, handing her compliments and touting her achievements. Obama has embraced Hillary Clinton as the quintessential candidate would he not be the "symbol" he has become and he has done so before locking up the Democrat nomination; before the convention; before it is all "official"; before the superdelegates have committed their votes.

We've all heard the old adage that one should go to the funerals of their foes, if only to make sure the body is in the coffin as it is being lowered into the ground.

Should Barack Obama continue his slide into ego's abyss, his campaign of arrogance, naively buying his own marketing scheme, should he continue to alienate the loose association of factions that make up the total of his base, he risks fiddling as his Rome burns; he risks facilitating the migration of superdelegates from his candidacy to Hillary Clinton's. Remember, she suspended her campaign, she didn't end it.

Should this scenario occur it would not only usurp "Dewey Defeats Truman" as the biggest media failure in American history, it would create a solid field of Leftist support for Hillary Clinton. Liberal and Progressive-Left feminists will be drunk with determination. Those who defected from her camp originally will work twice as hard to make amends and prove their loyalty (come on, who is stupid enough to cross a Clinton in power?). Those who backed Obama will work twice as hard for Hillary to cleanse themselves of their political naivety. And Democrats in general will still have their "history making" event in the nomination of the first female nominee to head a national party ticket.

To put it succinctly, if Obama folds because of his arrogance, because of his ego, it will be twice as hard to stop Hillary Clinton from attaining the White House.
 

Surprise

Inactive
We've all heard the old adage that one should go to the funerals of their foes, if only to make sure the body is in the coffin as it is being lowered into the ground.

Which reminds me, wasn't it the JR Ewing character who said "Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer."
I think that is a member's signature but I cannot recall who.

I keep hearing about with the Bush administration's public approval ratings being so low, that this was the Democratics done deal year . Yet Obama is only a couple of points ahead in most polls, usually within the margin of error which basically makes it neck and neck.
 

Gadsden

Contributing Member
It's hard to know exactly what she has up her sleave. One thing is for certain, though. Bill and Hillary cannot allow Obama to win if they want to remain in the serious power business. There is a lot of bad blood against the previous heavy handed domination of the Clinton machine and party insiders would jump at the chance to let Obama purge the party. That will not allow that to happen IMHO. Most likely some scandal will break between now and the convention.
 

Milk-maid

Girls with Guns Member
There's still time for Hill and Bill to kill (hey that almost rhymes) the Obamanation.... and then slip back into the race.

Either that or she's having her toenails and hair done up there in her rich Long Island enclave. Hummm.... which one do I think...?
 

KerryAnn

Inactive
DH made mention that he expects she'll try to get Obama thrown out from eligibility at the convention, because he doesn't meet the laws about who can run for the presidency. Something about his mother's immigration status at the time of his birth. The law says if you are born of an immigrant, they both must have been a US citizen for 5 years prior to your birth, and Obama's mother had only been a citizen 1 or 2 years before his birth. So he doesn't quaify to even run for president. I need to look this stuff up online to find out more.

Something like that.

Will be interesting to see what happens at the conventions for sure. Both of them. I expect both to be circuses this year.
 

Seeker

3 Bombs for Hawkins
Hillary Clinton asks not to be nominated at Democratic National Convention
By MICHAEL SAUL and THOMAS M. DeFRANK

Hillary Clinton has decided against being nominated for President at the Democrats' Denver convention, but many of her more die-hard partisans may vote for her anyway. A source close to the New York senator confirmed she won't file a formal request to the convention asking to be nominated along with Barack Obama, who eked out the victory in their fierce primary slugfest. "She is not going to submit the signed request," the insider told the Daily News. "People are still circulating petitions on her behalf, but this is a done deal."

Party rules stipulate that Clinton must ask in writing to be nominated herself and also submit a petition signed by 300 to 600 delegates. Without her signed request, petitions of support are meaningless. Her nomination would be window dressing because Obama's nomination is assured. But many of Clinton's most ardent boosters believe it's symbolically important to certify her glass ceiling-shattering candidacy with a formal nomination.

Nevertheless, delegates can vote for whomever they want during the roll call of the states. Personally and through surrogates, Clinton has counseled her 1,886 delegates to vote for Obama. A source familiar with discussions inside the Clinton camp told The News she may release those delegates when she speaks to the convention on Aug. 26. "Depending on the dynamics, hundreds of delegates might decide to demonstrate their support and affection," a Clinton source speculated. If so, that could be read as a dis to Obama from female Democrats still bruised by Clinton's defeat and resisting her pleas for party unity. Other Clinton backers, however, worry that she could be embarrassed by a roll call because many of her delegates already have switched to Obama.

"Hillary Clinton is 100% committed to helping Barack Obama become the next President of the United States and realizes there are passionate feelings that remain among many of her supporters," said Clinton spokeswoman Kathleen Strand. "No decisions have been made at this time.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...hillary_clinton_asks_not_to_be_nominated.html
 
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GoldGoldGold

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Bill Clinton's Plane Aborts Take-Off in Africa
Fmr Prez 'Livin' on a Prayer' in Bon Jovi Press Plane
August 01, 2008 9:10 AM

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/08/bill-clintons-p.html

ABC News' Kate Snow and Dana Hughes Report: It's becoming a running joke except it's not that funny. For the seventh time, mechanical failures are holding up former President Clinton's tour of Africa.

At first we were reluctant to write about it, after all it was only the press corps suffering. For more than 48 hours -- from Monday at 4pm until Thursday at 1:02am -- the small group of press who had signed up to cover Mr. Clinton's annual trip to the continent to visit the work of his Clinton Foundation was stranded in Newark, New Jersey. The former president was already safely overseas, having flown on a 767 reportedly owned by several Google executives.

The 727 that was to ferry the press to Ethiopia had breakdown after breakdown -- a broken air conditioner, a problem with the fuel tanks that led to an aborted take-off, a shattered cockpit window involving a small fire, a broken fuel valve. One of Clinton's advisors took to listing the problems on the back of his hand. He ran out of room and had to use his middle finger.

Finally, Bon Jovi came to the rescue.

An old war horse of a 707 used by the rockers was finally brought in from the Bahamas to get the press back on track and safely to Addas Ababa. On Friday, in a frantic, now abbreviated schedule, there was a single event in Ethiopia covered by reporters. Then it was back to the planes -- the press 707 and the Clinton 767 -- to dash to Rwanda. But an hour after the press plane took off, a Clinton foundation aide came to our cabin looking sheepish.

"This comes from the category of you can't make this up," he said.

President Clinton's beautiful plane -- the one reporters had been so jealous of just days before -- is now grounded. Apparently, as the 767 sped down the runway in Addas Ababa, the take off was aborted -- engine problems. Everyone on board is fine but the plane is not. Clinton will now join the press plane, which had to turn around in mid-air to retrieve the grounded president.

If there's any silver lining at all, a Clinton aide said, Ethiopia is considered one of the top places in the world for repairing Boeing engines. Let's hope it doesn't take long as space is getting a little cramped on the 707 -- with four legs left on the trip.
 
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