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[Tom McDowell]

High Altitude Nuclear Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) (#988)​

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Let's explore high-altitude nuclear electromagnetic pulse. A long-form video going through as much reliable material as I could find. You may have more information than I do. If so, leave a comment with the spot in the video you want to discuss, what you want to see changed or added, and the source where you got your information. Thanks! Subscribe: / davecasler . To learn more about me, visit: https://dcasler.com/home/ To support my channel financially: https://dcasler.com/support (offers several options) To pose an Ask Dave question: http://www.dcasler.com/ask-dave/ or http://www.ke0og.net/ask-dave/

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[Dennis Olson]

Again, EEEEE EMMMM PEEEEEE studies gloss over the fact that the only way to induce such a pulse is by detonation of nuclear weapons over the US. At that point, we’d be in WW3.

But somehow, none of the EMP pimps ever talk about that.

Why not?

 

[Tom McDowell]

Again, EEEEE EMMMM PEEEEEE studies gloss over the fact that the only way to induce such a pulse is by detonation of nuclear weapons over the US. At that point, we’d be in WW3.

But somehow, none of the EMP pimps ever talk about that.

Why not?

Your tone of your reply is expected.

However, your EMP pimp comment is negated by the conclusion portion of this video.

Which unfortunately negates the useful information in the presentation.

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[ShadowMan]

All the more reason to have NON-ELECTRIC backups for the "things" you need to survive. Not only EMP type events, but all the other physical disasters we have to be able to deal with routinely, seasonally, annually. There are lots of possible causes for total Grid failure that are far more likely to happen than WWIII EMP attack.

 

[Dennis Olson]

Your tone of your reply is expected.

However, your EMP pimp comment is negated by the conclusion portion of this video.

Which unfortunately negates the useful information in the presentation.

73

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Funny how that worked out

 

[Publius]

Why bother with the high altitude nuke and have it go off at a lower altitude and get rid of the people you do not like to begin with?

 

[Dennis Olson]

You already know that answer Publius.

 

[marsofold]

A single pair of high altitude fusion nukes could in theory generate an EMP pulse that could damage most electronics between the coasts and devastate the country. With less fallout pollution of a potential land conquest. I can see alot of room between just surviving a nationwide EMP pulse and completely giving up all hope of survival.

 

[Dennis Olson]

This has been discussed to death.

Before any of you say another word on this thread, first answer this:

WHAT WOULD BE THE RESULT IF A HOSTILE POWER LAUNCHED NUCLEAR WEAPONS INTO US TERRITORY?

Not one of you EVER talks about it. Why not? Would it ruin your Doomer fantasies?

 

[Countrymouse]

I have two questions on this topic that I've NEVER heard answered.

I keep reading that a nuclear weapon exploded at "high altitude" would be necessary to generate an EMP.

HOW "high"?

In the book, "One Second After", apparently the weapon was detonated IN SPACE---so far out into the far reaches of Earth's atmosphere that no one saw or heard the nuke go off.

They just noticed the power went off-and wondered what happened.

So--in REALITY---How "high" is "high"--------iow--is it possible for a nuclear device to be detonated over the US, but NOT "close" to the US in terms of altitude--so that it truly could be said to be set off "in space" rather than "over the US"--and "if" a nuke was set off "in space," that high in the atmosphere: Question 1: COULD It even do what they claim (given that solar flares do the same, I assume the answer to that is "yes") Question 2: "IF" set off that "high," ----would the nuke truly be so far out it would not be observed either visually or audibly by those on the ground?

 

[1911user]

To save Loup a lot of repeat typing.

https://www.timebomb2000.com/xf/index.php?threads/the-true-facts-on-emp.630368/

 

[Creedmoor]

The higher altitude the burst, the more territory beneath that is covered. Up to point.

 

[Thunderbird]

This has been discussed to death.

Before any of you say another word on this thread, first answer this:

WHAT WOULD BE THE RESULT IF A HOSTILE POWER LAUNCHED NUCLEAR WEAPONS INTO US TERRITORY?

Not one of you EVER talks about it. Why not? Would it ruin your Doomer fantasies?

Whatever is done in retaliation would not mitigate the effect. If the threat of retaliation is not enough to prevent the initial strike, only God can save us.

 

[Mark D]

Again, EEEEE EMMMM PEEEEEE studies gloss over the fact that the only way to induce such a pulse is by detonation of nuclear weapons over the US. At that point, we’d be in WW3.

But somehow, none of the EMP pimps ever talk about that.

Why not?

I think that's a given.

A HEMP would be a good way to kick it off - given the current administration, and the Obama-era mandate that we absorb the first wave before making a call on retaliating.

 

[1911user]

This has been discussed to death.

Before any of you say another word on this thread, first answer this:

WHAT WOULD BE THE RESULT IF A HOSTILE POWER LAUNCHED NUCLEAR WEAPONS INTO US TERRITORY?

Not one of you EVER talks about it. Why not? Would it ruin your Doomer fantasies?

The only way it wouldn't be followed by many more nukes on the ground is if the source of the HEMP launch(s) wasn't easily traceable.

The example in the beginning of the book Lights Out is a little too credible for comfort. A non-nation state HEMP attack followed by good doomer fiction assuming everything electronic and electrical stops working at once.

 

[Tom McDowell]

I have two questions on this topic that I've NEVER heard answered.

I keep reading that a nuclear weapon exploded at "high altitude" would be necessary to generate an EMP.

HOW "high"?

In the book, "One Second After", apparently the weapon was detonated IN SPACE---so far out into the far reaches of Earth's atmosphere that no one saw or heard the nuke go off.

They just noticed the power went off-and wondered what happened.

So--in REALITY---How "high" is "high"--------iow--is it possible for a nuclear device to be detonated over the US, but NOT "close" to the US in terms of altitude--so that it truly could be said to be set off "in space" rather than "over the US"--and "if" a nuke was set off "in space," that high in the atmosphere: Question 1: COULD It even do what they claim (given that solar flares do the same, I assume the answer to that is "yes") Question 2: "IF" set off that "high," ----would the nuke truly be so far out it would not be observed either visually or audibly by those on the ground?

The above chart indicates date,size, and distance.

A couple of points, this type of testing ended in late 1962. 61 years ago.

Another is space weather conditions have experienced major changes since then with the degradation of the earths magnetic fields, and the recent detection of solar gamma radiation. See MSU scientists help make a surprising discovery about the sun . There's a slide in the OP presentation positing gamma radiation is the driver.

Keeping these changes in mind, perhaps the results of those previous tests may differ today.

Setting off a nuke in space is akin to mutually assured destruction to to the heavily saturated satellite population today, versus the minuscule numbers in 1962.

Since the presentation is based on amateur radio communications (HAM) and possible protective measures during an attack, it does not address a solar induced event. I did learn some fascinating facts from the video and thought some of our members might appreciate the presentation.

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[crossbowboy]

Nobody could afford to build something airburst and capable of borking our grid - not outside of the US gov't or a Columbian cartel anyway.

I will still ALSO take EMP for $500, Alex.

Whatever it takes to bring us back to the 17th Century.

Reboot...

 

[jed turtle]

Nobody could afford to build something airburst and capable of borking our grid - not outside of the US gov't or a Columbian cartel anyway.

I will still ALSO take EMP for $500, Alex.

Whatever it takes to bring us back to the 17th Century.

Reboot...

Ahh, the 1600s! Good times. A Lot less people back then, we had just got a grip on the idea that the world was a globe, something about a printing press and a reformation. A lot more people now a days, with a lot less morals BUT a lot more information. Just enough to be TRULY dangerous. The entire planet is now a tinderbox, and just one tough guy staring menacingly at another tough guy might be the spark that incinerates us all...

 

[BUBBAHOTEPT]

For the love of God, with that idiot in the White House anything and any of the aforementioned scenarios are possible. They are all bad. Our canoe paddling and fur trading members not withstanding, if the f***ing electricity goes out, we are all screwed.
I don’t know if we can prevent a regular nuke these days, but we sure as hell can protect the grid and banana Joe is as effective as Mr. Magoo driving a car!
Let me be clear: FJB.
I for one don’t want to wind up like this in the middle of the summer….. In Texas or Florida.

 

[Shadow]

While EMP has been documented to damage electrical/electronic components I believe the Chinese want to avoid infrastructure damage. It is probably why biological attacks are a part of their stated war doctrine.

Shadow

 

[Teeja]

EMP weapons would be used in the first 10 minutes of a full nuclear attack, to take out as much electronic equipment as possible immediately before all military targets are nuked with thermonuclear weapons. That’s the only logical use of EMP weapons by US, Russia or China. Ideally, to maintain the element of surprise, EMP weapons would be space-based and coordinated with a full-on cyber attack upon critical systems immediately before the EMP event. Any thoughts of an EMP event not going full nuclear within minutes is wishful thinking. And whoever shoots first wins.

 

[BUBBAHOTEPT]

We are all just whistling by the graveyard…
Sorry to be so cynical….

 

[Dennis Olson]

There is no need for our enemies to nuke us. They’re laughing their asses off watching us implode into a smoking pile of estrogen-infused goo.

 

[jed turtle]

EMP weapons would be used in the first 10 minutes of a full nuclear attack, to take out as much electronic equipment as possible immediately before all military targets are nuked with thermonuclear weapons. That’s the only logical use of EMP weapons by US, Russia or China. Ideally, to maintain the element of surprise, EMP weapons would be space-based and coordinated with a full-on cyber attack upon critical systems immediately before the EMP event. Any thoughts of an EMP event not going full nuclear within minutes is wishful thinking. And whoever shoots first wins.

Between the millions of Christians who will be suddenly “translated”/ disappeared “in the twinkling of an eye”, and the billions of vaccinated (“protected”... people who were duped ) who will also “disappear“ soon, from “natural causes”, it may well be that tptb will have re-invented a world without need for the types of weapons usually used in traditional wars...

 

[Dennis Olson]

There will be no Rapture. And even if there were, it would only be 144,000

 

[tanstaafl]

Another thing no one ever talks about are the nuclear forces the U.S. would have outside the U.S. at the time of the EMP attack. Does anyone seriously believe the nuke submarine captains, the carrier task force admirals, the commanders of nukes in Europe, etc. wouldn't retaliate with their nukes after they heard the U.S. had been EMPed? Who really thinks our potential EMP-capable enemies are so omnipotent and so omniscient as to be able to carry off a simultaneous decapitation of all U.S. nukes everywhere?

 

[bobfall2005]

First part of a large strike.
The Soviet plan was not a warhead over Kansas.
It was twenty warheads all over the US.

Hard part was the timing .

It also explains the Russian objection to any US limited missile defense.

 

[Dennis Olson]

No nuclear weapons can be fired unless “activated” via the WH. Further, military equipment and comms are already hardened against EMP.

 

[tanstaafl]

No nuclear weapons can be fired unless “activated” via the WH. Further, military equipment and comms are already hardened against EMP.

Really? I always thought there was a difference between "authorization" codes (what everyone sees in books and movies where they go into their safe and break the card to get the code to verify the launch order is genuine) and "enabling" codes (what lets the guys in the silos and subs actually turn those keys and launch). But I don't actually know the procedure so I may have been wrong all these years.

 

[hiwall]

Would our current pResident order a nuke strike?

 

[Countrymouse]

There will be no Rapture. And even if there were, it would only be 144,000

don't worry about it, Dennis-- most of the disappearances will just be explained as their having been vaporized, anyway....

 

[Countrymouse]

Another thing no one ever talks about are the nuclear forces the U.S. would have outside the U.S. at the time of the EMP attack. Does anyone seriously believe the nuke submarine captains, the carrier task force admirals, the commanders of nukes in Europe, etc. wouldn't retaliate with their nukes after they heard the U.S. had been EMPed? Who really thinks our potential EMP-capable enemies are so omnipotent and so omniscient as to be able to carry off a simultaneous decapitation of all U.S. nukes everywhere?

good point

 

[Creedmoor]

Would our current pResident order a nuke strike?

Only on America.

 

[Dennis Olson]

Really? I always thought there was a difference between "authorization" codes (what everyone sees in books and movies where they go into their safe and break the card to get the code to verify the launch order is genuine) and "enabling" codes (what lets the guys in the silos and subs actually turn those keys and launch). But I don't actually know the procedure so I may have been wrong all these years.

The interlock step was added over 25 years ago.

 

[marsofold]

I remember reading about Russian nuclear drills where they claimed 25% of their population was underground. That implies that they consider a nuclear war to be survivable. As for the Chinese, they have way more people to feed than they prefer, so a few hundred million lost is just seen as the cost of war. Both viewpoints are bad for us.

 

[night driver]

I would be VERY surprised if the Skippers of the Subs and Carriers no longer had their lists...

 

[Dennis Olson]

Everything is as it was, except that the extra step is necessary to arm the nukes.

 

[tanstaafl]

The interlock step was added over 25 years ago.

Thanks! That's good to know, and it's always nice to start out the day learning something new (or at least correcting a mistaken notion).

 

[sy32478]

Put one of these on a tall building in a city and let it rip. Sorry - no nationwide doom. However lots of fear. No rad signature, no need for propulsion nor guidance. No nukes needed.

Conventional EMP Bombs

 

[Dennis Olson]

No such thing.