Celestial Vanishing act: Exploring the case of the disappearing moon

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tanstaafl

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Profit of Doom said:
Can it be hollow and flat simultaneously?
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I don't see why not. Every summer the ecowieners scream "global warming" and then every winter they scream "climate change." They hold both ideas in their heads simultaneously and trot out whichever one fits the weather that week. If they can do it then it seems only fair that others can too. :)
 
JF&P

JF&P

Deceased
Gravity is the result of mass, it’s the reason all large objects in space are spheres.
 
jed turtle

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
West said:
I've dug into it.

Still not buying the lame reasons of why we don't have a base at least on the moon, 50 years after landing on it.
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There is a long article somewhere about all the serious problems they had with dust up there and the severe wear it caused on their space suits. According to Douglas Voght, we created NASA because the pentagon was worried about the intense amount of sunspots back around 1957, and suspected there may be evidence of previous micro novas from the sun on the moon. A video he included in one of his lectures showed the first astronauts noting in amazement about the glassed rock “prisms” And small blue “marbles” everywhere on the surface of the lunar soil.
 
packyderms_wife

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
jed turtle said:
There is a long article somewhere about all the serious problems they had with dust up there and the severe wear it caused on their space suits. According to Douglas Voght, we created NASA because the pentagon was worried about the intense amount of sunspots back around 1957, and suspected there may be evidence of previous micro novas from the sun on the moon. A video he included in one of his lectures showed the first astronauts noting in amazement about the glassed rock “prisms” And small blue “marbles” everywhere on the surface of the lunar soil.
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If you happen across that article again please post it here I'd love to read more about this! I knew the lunar surface was pretty bad but this is the first I've heard about the marbles.
 
West

West

Senior
I'll still call BS!

There is no real reason we don't have like a Reno, Las Vegas or a Holiday Inn on the moon after 55 YEARS!

I alone would of paid at the least $50k for a weekend on the moon in the late 90s plus.

I spent that alone in Reno in a year. And I'm such a small fry it's not even funny.

I'm sure many, many big wigs would of paid millions for a weekend on the moon!

Really, think about it! Money was not a issue.

Politics and government regulations, yes. However, even then the anti moon regulations by government could of been overcome by time.

Over 55 years now!

I'm really negative that we did step on the moon now. Or I'm a idiot for not knowing the power that the government has to keep private interprise and capitalism at bay on the moon.

IDK
 
jed turtle

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
West said:
I'll still call BS!

There is no real reason we don't have like a Reno, Las Vegas or a Holiday Inn on the moon after 55 YEARS!

I alone would of paid at the least $50k for a weekend on the moon in the late 90s plus.

I spent that alone in Reno in a year. And I'm such a small fry it's not even funny.

I'm sure many, many big wigs would of paid millions for a weekend on the moon!

Really, think about it! Money was not a issue.

Politics and government regulations, yes. However, even then the anti moon regulations by government could of been overcome by time.

Over 55 years now!

I'm really negative that we did step on the moon now. Or I'm a idiot for not knowing the power that the government has to keep private interprise and capitalism at bay on the moon.

IDK
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Ya gotta remember, going to the moon started before Vietnam really took off. We realized that we couldn’t afford both. Especially if we had to fight our way back up there, since there were stories from some of the guys that came back that there were bases already there... and iirc, we were told we were not welcome...
 
packyderms_wife

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
jed turtle said:
Ya gotta remember, going to the moon started before Vietnam really took off. We realized that we couldn’t afford both. Especially if we had to fight our way back up there, since there were stories from some of the guys that came back that there were bases already there... and iirc, we were told we were not welcome...
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Did they say who or what was running those bases?
 
jed turtle

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
Taco Salad said:
It does when you realize that we're binary planets.
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Do not forget the beyond “amazing coincidence“ that the moon’s size and distance from the Earth is perfectly proportioned to permit total solar eclipses of the sun which allow observers to study the CORONA of the sun... Unique in all the solar system.
 
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tanstaafl

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Taco Salad said:
It does when you realize that we're binary planets.
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I think technically binary planets or asteroids or what-have-you rotate around a point in space (for example, Pluto and Charon), whereas as far as I know the Moon rotates around a point located inside the Earth.

jed turtle said:
Do not forget the beyond “amazing coincidence“ that the moon’s size and distance from the Earth is perfectly proportioned to permit total solar eclipses of the sun which allow observers to study the CORONA of the sun... Unique in all the solar system.
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What's unique is that humans are here at the time when that is true. It won't be true a few tens of thousands of years from now.
 
Squib

Squib

Veteran Member
Wow, I’ll bet there are a lot of people here who think that Covid vaccines are 100% safe and effective too, right?

Well, the scientist told you they were, right? Established science and all?

My point is that no one here AFAIK has been to the moon. Any empirical data we have is given to us by others…interpreted by them, formed into a hypothesis, and then a theory…

Many of us here have become very distrustful of establishment science in our lives and for good reason too.

There are no such thing as brut facts. They all are placed into a group by people with beliefs, agendas, and there is a ton of money, power and control at stake with the so called scientific facts.

Who here hasn't read about the multitude of hoaxes pulled on wishful people longing to have Darwinism proven?

Piltdown man, Peking Man, geocentric solar system, blood letting, and a million other things were accepted and later debunked…

If we’ve learned anything, there is no such thing as settled science…ask the Average astronomers in Galileo‘s day…it wasn’t so much church vs. Science…anymore than the covid debacle was.

It was official, controlled science vs. unofficial, free thinking science…both sides had reputable, credentialed scientists in their corner...and at least one side had an agenda!

Those who embrace a minority opinion, no matter how goofy you may think it is, should be patiently refuted…not burned at the stake, ridiculed, or mocked.

Sure, I have my beliefs…I hold them by faith, but most people have to exercise as much faith as the most religious person does when it comes to their understanding of the cosmos, micro biology, etc.
 
West

West

Senior
Profit of Doom said:
Somebody’s been pulling your leg and blowing smoke up your exhaust port.

“For example, the brightness of a full Moon is usually quoted at magnitude around –13, about 14 magnitudes or 400,000 times fainter than the Sun. (With a mean albedo, or reflectivity, of just 13%, the Moon is actually as dark as worn asphalt.)”
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Many nights when the full moon is up or directly above, I've walked around and near the woods, often stepping into the shade of the forest trees disappearing, to watch the wild life play in the moonshine. With no flashlight or alike.

Really, granted it was in the country and mountains. And clear full moon nights around midnight or when the moon is at 12 in the sky.

Don't think old pavement could reflect that much light. It's enough to see by. Granted younger eyes.

IDK
 
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Profit of Doom

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West said:
Many nights when the full moon is up or directly above, I've walked around and near the woods, often stepping into the shade of the forest trees disappearing, to watch the wild life play in the moonshine. With no flashlight or alike.

Really, granted it was in the country and mountains. And clear full moon nights around midnight or when the moon is at 12 in the sky.

Don't think old pavement could reflect that much light. It's enough to see by. Granted younger eyes.

IDK
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When you, and your eyes, are in that dark, your irises are wide open, and whatever else your eyes can do to be more sensitive, is being done.
When you look at asphalt in daylight, your eyes are cranked way down, as you have much ambient light around you. If you could block your view to see only the daylight asphalt at the same time as the sunlit moon, and nothing else, they should appear similar.
 
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Profit of Doom

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jed turtle said:
Do not forget the beyond “amazing coincidence“ that the moon’s size and distance from the Earth is perfectly proportioned to permit total solar eclipses of the sun which allow observers to study the CORONA of the sun... Unique in all the solar system.
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That’s why we have “visitors” around eclipse time, we’re a friggin tourist trap.
 
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Profit of Doom

Dismember
Squib said:
My point is that no one here AFAIK has been to the moon. Any empirical data we have is given to us by others…interpreted by them, formed into a hypothesis, and then a theory…
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“We” could fire a laser and bounce if off that reflector up there, but are we sure it wasn’t just dropped by a probe?
 
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tanstaafl

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Profit of Doom said:
Also the only one with that eclipse proportion just right.
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It won't be in another few tens of thousands of years since the Moon is slowly moving farther away from Earth. Which suggests (but I don't know this for a fact) that the Moon was closer a few tens of thousands of years ago (well within the timeframe of humans in terms of modern brain power) and those proportion didn't used to be "just right."
 
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