BRKG US Withheld From Russia Intel On Terror Plot Due To 'Adversarial Relationship'

Southside

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Wow, if this is true, shame on US!



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by Tyler Durden
Saturday, Mar 30, 2024 - 11:50 AM
Authored by Dave DeCamp via AntiWar.com,
The US did not share all the information it had about a terrorist plot in Russia ahead of the shooting at a concert hall outside of Moscow that killed over 140 people, The New York Times reported on Thursday.
The paper said that the "adversarial relationship between Washington and Moscow prevented US officials from sharing any information about the plot beyond what was necessary, out of fear Russian authorities might learn their intelligence sources or methods."






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In response to the report, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said he was unaware of information about the US withholding intelligence and cast doubt on the report. "The information of The New York Times, citing sources, is information that should be treated with great caution," he said.

The US Embassy in Moscow issued a public warning on March 7 that specifically warned Americans in Russia that "extremists have imminent plans to target large gatherings in Moscow, to include concerts" and to avoid large gatherings for 48 hours.

The US also passed along the warning to Russia privately, which Russian FSB chief Aleksandr Bortnikov said was "of a general nature."

Sources told the Times that Russia tightened security after the warning but may have relaxed it after an attack didn’t happen in the 48-hour window. The report said it was unclear if US intelligence was wrong about the timing of the attack or if the perpetrators noticed the heightened security and decided to wait.

ISIS-K, the Islamic State affiliate based in Afghanistan, took credit for the massacre, and the US has backed their assertion. Russia has pinned the blame on "Islamist extremists" but has also said there is a link to Ukraine and, by extension, the US and the UK.


Both the US and Ukraine denied any involvement in the attack, but the Russian Investigative Committee said Thursday that the attackers had links to "Ukrainian nationalists." Four Tajiks have been charged in Russia for carrying out the shooting.
 

OldArcher

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Wow, if this is true, shame on US!



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by Tyler Durden
Saturday, Mar 30, 2024 - 11:50 AM
Authored by Dave DeCamp via AntiWar.com,
The US did not share all the information it had about a terrorist plot in Russia ahead of the shooting at a concert hall outside of Moscow that killed over 140 people, The New York Times reported on Thursday.
The paper said that the "adversarial relationship between Washington and Moscow prevented US officials from sharing any information about the plot beyond what was necessary, out of fear Russian authorities might learn their intelligence sources or methods."






AFP via Getty Images
In response to the report, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said he was unaware of information about the US withholding intelligence and cast doubt on the report. "The information of The New York Times, citing sources, is information that should be treated with great caution," he said.

The US Embassy in Moscow issued a public warning on March 7 that specifically warned Americans in Russia that "extremists have imminent plans to target large gatherings in Moscow, to include concerts" and to avoid large gatherings for 48 hours.

The US also passed along the warning to Russia privately, which Russian FSB chief Aleksandr Bortnikov said was "of a general nature."

Sources told the Times that Russia tightened security after the warning but may have relaxed it after an attack didn’t happen in the 48-hour window. The report said it was unclear if US intelligence was wrong about the timing of the attack or if the perpetrators noticed the heightened security and decided to wait.

ISIS-K, the Islamic State affiliate based in Afghanistan, took credit for the massacre, and the US has backed their assertion. Russia has pinned the blame on "Islamist extremists" but has also said there is a link to Ukraine and, by extension, the US and the UK.


Both the US and Ukraine denied any involvement in the attack, but the Russian Investigative Committee said Thursday that the attackers had links to "Ukrainian nationalists." Four Tajiks have been charged in Russia for carrying out the shooting.
If we could have prevented the unnecessary murder of innocents, that is unacceptable. Whomever made that call, needs to suffer the fullest extent of the law…

OA
 

Lone_Hawk

Resident Spook
If we could have prevented the unnecessary murder of innocents, that is unacceptable. Whomever made that call, needs to suffer the fullest extent of the law

OA
That, will never happen, unless they have a secret Trump supporter in the right place to pin it on, and then he will not live to see the inside of a court room.
 

Tristan

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The Russians are excellent at intelligence, up there with Israel.
Our intelligence organizations leave a lot to be desired.
I have a very bad feeling about this, and this report just upped the tums factor.

Might want to up your reserve stocks.

Of Tums, that is.
 

Lone_Hawk

Resident Spook
We could have prevented it if we did not Back Ukraine in doing it.

Give Abert a gold star.

I have had time for the old noggin' to work on this. Keep in mind that the folks that are running the op in Ukraine is actually the State Department. The CIA is really effective at fomenting revolutions and creating/funding things like ISIS, they don't do HUMINT worth a crap anymore.

So, what I think happened, and I have zero proof of, is this.

Ukraine plays well with Nazis and Muzzies. They got some Muzzies and Nazis together to plan and execute. State was told about it, so they "warned" Russia in a fig leaf kinda way, along with its warning to Americans in Russia. That way they could claim that they were the good guys by warning Russia.

However, Russia does HUMINT almost as well as Israel and all the crap in Ukraine hasn't weakened their knowledge of what is happening in Ukraine.

So, I don't know that any US assets initiated this, but it is possible. For example:

State initiates it.
Ukraine says "hold my vodka" and starts the ball rolling.
CIA gets ISIS to claim it.
It would fit the narrative presented to Russia that Muzzies did it.

I hope nothing I just flung up against the wall sticks or it will get damn ugly quickly.

Or, in keeping with the Easter theme, Russia will wait till Trump is in office then charge specific people, Trump lets those people get in "vulnerable" positions, Russia picks them up, then tries them.
 

Illini Warrior

Illini Warrior
Russia's tough luck - back in the old days a whisper in the dark was all you got - didn't expect or even want some formal GOV intel report - took too fricking long to weave thru the BS red tape ....
 

Tex88

Veteran Member
I hadn’t heard that
Thanks
Just so
Damn
Much
Anymore
Three days before the attack, Russian President Vladimir Putin addressed the board of Russia's Federal Security Service (FSB), whose job is to defend the country. The top priority, he told the assembled leaders of the security service, was to support what he called the special military operation - the official phrase for the full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

He claimed that Ukraine had switched to what he called "terrorist tactics". He also spoke directly to what he said were "provocative statements" from the West about potential attacks within Russia. He said the warnings "resemble outright blackmail and the intention to intimidate and destabilise our society".

 

Lone_Hawk

Resident Spook
Three days before the attack, Russian President Vladimir Putin addressed the board of Russia's Federal Security Service (FSB), whose job is to defend the country. The top priority, he told the assembled leaders of the security service, was to support what he called the special military operation - the official phrase for the full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

He claimed that Ukraine had switched to what he called "terrorist tactics". He also spoke directly to what he said were "provocative statements" from the West about potential attacks within Russia. He said the warnings "resemble outright blackmail and the intention to intimidate and destabilise our society".


So, we are using Kosovo as a valid source of information? Who owns Koha? Which side of the Ukraine war are they on? Are we expanding the "Russia invades Ukraine" thread into this one? I just want to know what your position is and where you are getting your information.
 

Tex88

Veteran Member
So, we are using Kosovo as a valid source of information? Who owns Koha? Which side of the Ukraine war are they on? Are we expanding the "Russia invades Ukraine" thread into this one? I just want to know what your position is and where you are getting your information.
What on God's Green Earth are you farbling about? I literally posted a link to, and a screenshot of that statement on ria.ru in the Crocus attack thread, directly from the actual Russian source.
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
Frankly, if the Kremlin is OK with the way the warning went down, I'm not gonna argue with them.
Probably a case of New York Times shite-stirring.
 

Lone_Hawk

Resident Spook
What on God's Green Earth are you farbling about? I literally posted a link to, and a screenshot of that statement on ria.ru in the Crocus attack thread, directly from the actual Russian source.
The site you linked to is from Kosovo. Or that is the address they give, who knows.
 
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