Update on the constitutional crisis: Obama can't prove he is a natural born citizen

[NC Susan]

http://newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd414.htm

UNPRECEDENTED RAPE OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE UNDERWAY IN DC
PART 2 of 2

By: Devvy
November 13, 2008​

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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Update on the constitutional crisis: Obama can't prove he is a natural born citizen[/FONT]
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1 - I am waiting on my FOIAs. I sent a final letter to James Burrus, Chief Investigator for Election Fraud at the FBI. The FBI does not comment on investigtions, so we will not know if anything has been done in the name of justice. Regular readers of my columns have been following this mess. If you are a new reader, you can catch up here.[/FONT]​

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2 - A film company is putting up a one million dollar reward for the real deal; click here for details.[/FONT]​

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3 - Phil Berg lawsuit: Phil's web site.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Status: U. S. Supreme Court awaits response to Berg's Writ of Certiorari from Obama, DNC and Co-Defendants[/FONT]​

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4 - Andy Martin lawsuit in the Hawaii court system: Next hearing is November 18, 2008. Details on his web site.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]This site also keeps on up Martin's suit.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Martin also has a drive going to stop the electors (Electoral college delegates); see here[/FONT]​

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5 - Another case against Obama by Forensic Psychologist who works for the Criminal Justice System and the Courts. Details click here.[/FONT]​

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6 - This web site is a massive effort to stop electors from voting for Obama. Details click here.[/FONT]​

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7 - America Must Know is another huge effort to stop electors from voting for Obama. Details click here.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]List of electoral college delegates with their addresses as well as volunteers in that state; click on the box with your state.[/FONT]​

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8 - Compare birth certificates; State of Hawaii. Click here.[/FONT]​

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9 - I became aware of this case only a few days ago and have exchanged email with Leo Donofrio. What has been done to Leo is an outrage and possibly judicial misconduct by individuals working in the justice system. It took some time, but I read all the material on Leo's site about his lawsuit. There can be no question powerful forces do not want his case heard in front of the U.S. Supreme Court. Now, he needs OUR help in getting his case before Clarence Thomas. [/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]This is Leo's site. You will see he's in a real dog fight and he's fighting for what's right. I asked Leo to put together a short paper explaining the misconduct going on at the high court. This is his full explanation; click here. Please take time over the weekend or over lunch at work to read this; shouldn't take but about ten minutes. It will sicken you.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]If you scroll down about 3/4th of the way to the bottom of Leo's site, this begins details on his lawsuit and you will see standing was NOT challenged in the lower courts. Section begins with:[/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]US Supreme Court case: New Jersey Voter vs. Obama and McCain on "natural born citizen: status." [/FONT]​

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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]United States Supreme Court Docket #: 08A407[/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]United States Supreme Court Application for Emergency Stay and supporting brief: ScotusStayAppBrief.doc[/FONT]​

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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Leo Donofrio is a retired attorney who had many years in full practice. He's an ace golfer and now a professional poker player. You might recognize Leo from the World Series of Poker. Leo is mad and he's a fighter. All Leo attempted to do was the right thing and now his life has become a night mare, but he is not backing down.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]All of us need to help him because what's going on, not just with Obama, but with the courts is simply not acceptable. Only intense heat from we the people is going to make the difference.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Write a polite letter to Justice Clarence Thomas. No phone calls as the clerks will not take messages. I sent my letter to Justice Thomas today over night mail because time is short. You can use regular snail mail, but please get it done and in the mail by Monday. If 100,000 letters land on Justice Thomas' desk next week, things are going to happen. This is what Leo suggests from his web site:[/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]The best thing you can do to help this case before Justice Clarence Thomas is to write to him and the other justices.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]The Honorable Associate Justice Clarence Thomas
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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Please include the docket # 08A407, and the URL to this blog[/FONT]
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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][Below is the original post. Thank you for your help.][/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Supreme Court of the United States - Clerk's Office Continues Sabotage of New Jersey Citizen Stay Application for 08 Election. Your help is requested.[/FONT]​

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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Dear Citizens of the United States of America,[/FONT]
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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]I need your help and the US needs your help.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]My case, LEO C. DONOFRIO v. NINA MITCHELL WELLS, SECRETARY OF STATE OF THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY - US Supreme Court Docket # 08A407 - continues to be subjected to misconduct by the US Supreme Court Clerk's office, particularly by Mr. Danny Bickell, the Stay Clerk. [/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]For a full review of the Judicial treachery in this case, please review the entire UNORTHODOX PROCEDURAL HISTORY of the case.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]It has come to my attention today that the US Supreme Court's Stay Clerk, Mr. Danny Bickell, has continued to list this case incorrectly thereby preventing it from ever crossing the desk of Justice Clarence Thomas. [/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]The Docket of the case fails to mention that the case went directly from the Appellate Division in New Jersey to the New Jersey Supreme Court which is the nexus that allows the case to be properly before the US Supreme Court. The Clerk's office appears to be doing everything possible to see that this case never gets to the desk of Justice Clarence Thomas or any of the other Supreme Court Justices. [/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]I have an order handed down from the New Jersey Supreme Court which makes reference to the Appellate Division case as well, but the US Supreme Court Clerk's office refuses to acknowledge the NJ Supreme Court's review and it is that review which allows my case to go before the US Supreme Court. The Appellate Division case avoided the Constitutional issue, but the NJ Supreme Court decision raised the Constitutional issue when it specifically said in its order of denial that it had relied on "movant's papers" while at the same time it made no mention of Judge Sabatino's Appellate Division order and opinion.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]The NJ Supreme Court specifically relied upon "movant's papers" in their order denying emergency relief and "movants papers" focused on the "natural born citizen" issue.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Here is the decision of the Honorable Justice Virginia A. Long:[/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]"This matter having come before the court on an application for emergent relief pursuant to Rule 2:9-8, and the undersigned having reviewed the movant's papers and the papers filed by the defendant in the Superior Court, Appellate Division, it is hereby Ordered that the application for emergent relief is denied."[/FONT]​

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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]The US Supreme Court Docket fails to mention the NJ Supreme Court decision and that is completely wrong and improper. This case continues to be subjected to Judicial/Clerical misconduct and it's time that US Citizens, be they Democrat, Republican or 3rd party affiliated, stand up and order that the Clerk's office of the highest Court in the land STOP interfering in a case that is rightly before the US Supreme Court. [/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]This is unprecedented in that the Clerk's office at the SCOTUS appears to be injecting politics into the handling of paperwork properly before it. It will be a terrible blow to the separation of powers if Supreme Court review can be stopped by Clerks imposing their own political views on litigants who have properly followed legal procedure.[/FONT]​

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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Justice Clarence Thomas and the rest of the Supreme Court must receive direct mail letters (not e mail) bringing this case Docket # and the URL of my blog to their attention.
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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]If you write to Chief Justice Roberts, please make sure the envelope is addressed to:
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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]The Honorable John G. Roberts,
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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Thank you,
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[NC Susan]

WHAT CONGRESS & THE MEDIA WON'T TELL YOU

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By: Devvy
November 17, 2008​

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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]"Would you rather have one tyrant 3,000 miles away or 3,000 tyrants one mile away?" Mel Gibson as Benjamin Martin, The Patriot[/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]This is the latest on the Obama citizenship crisis and then some research resources for you on major issues.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]In my last column, Part II, was devoted to the growing crisis over Barack Hussein Obama refusing to prove he is a natural born citizen; see here. You can get involved with the effort to contact electoral college delegates to stop their vote on December 15, 2008 by clicking here; those links are identified as such.[/FONT]​

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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Dr. Alan Keyes filed a lawsuit in California, November 14, 2008: 'Constitutional crisis' looming over Obama's birth location. Alan Keyes lawsuit warns America may see 'usurper' in Oval Office. "The California secretary of state should refuse to allow the state's 55 Electoral College votes to be cast in the 2008 presidential election until President-elect Barack Obama verifies his eligibility to hold the office, alleges a California court petition filed on behalf of former presidential candidate Alan Keyes and others."[/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Let me focus on Leo Donofrio's lawsuit which I covered in Part II of my last column. Leo is asking you to please write a short letter to Justice Clarence Thomas now that his case is docketed[/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]. You need only ask Justice Thomas to hear Leo's case on an expedited basis because Obama's refusal to prove he's a natural born citizen is building into a constitutional crisis that cannot be allowed to progress to the swearing in process should the electoral college actually go ahead and vote him in on December 15, 2008.
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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Provide the case title and name: [/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Leo C. Donofrio, v. Nina Mitchell Wells, Secretary of State of the State of New Jersey[/FONT]
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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif] United States Supreme Court Docket No. 08A407[/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]The Honorable Associate Justice Clarence Thomas
United States Supreme Court
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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]I have been exchanging emails with Leo and he continues to reinforce the main issue of 'natural born citizen'. His latest posting for your convenience:[/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]"Barack Obama's official web site, Fight The Smears, admits he was a British Citizen at birth. At the very bottom of the section of his web site that shows an alleged official Certification Of Live Birth, the web site lists the following information and link thereto: FactCheck.org Clarifies Barack’s Citizenship[/FONT]
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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]"Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”
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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]That is a direct admission Barack Obama was a British citizen "at birth". [/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]"My law suit argues that since Obama had dual citizenship "at birth" and therefore split loyalties "at birth", he is not a "natural born citizen" of the United States. A "natural born citizen" would have no other jurisdiction over him "at birth" other than that of the United States. The Framers chose the words "natural born" and those words cannot be ignored. The status referred to in Article 2, Section 1, "natural born citizen", pertains to the status of the person's citizenship "at birth".[/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]"The other numerous law suits circling Obama to question his eligibility fail to hit the mark on this issue. Since Obama was, "at birth", a British citizen, it is completely irrelevant, as to the issue of Constitutional "natural born citizen" status, whether Obama was born in Hawaii or abroad. Either way, he is not eligible to be President. Should Obama produce an original birth certificate showing he was born in Hawaii, it will not change the fact that Obama was a British citizen "at birth". [/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]"Obama has admitted to being a British subject "at birth". And as will be made perfectly clear below, his being subject to British jurisdiction "at birth" bars him from being eligible to be President of the United States. [/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]"As I have argued before the United States Supreme Court, the 14th Amendment does not confer "natural born citizen" status anywhere in its text. It simply states that a person born in the United States is a "Citizen", and only if he is "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. [/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]"Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution of the United States:[/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."[/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]"The most overlooked words in that section are: "...or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution..." You must recall that most, if not all, of the framers of the Constitution were, at birth, born as British subjects. [/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]"Stop and think about that.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]"The chosen wording of the Framers here makes it clear that they had drawn a distinction between themselves - persons born subject to British jurisdiction - and "natural born citizens" who would not be born subject to British jurisdiction or any other jurisdiction other than the United States. And so the Framers grandfathered themselves into the Constitution as being eligible to be President. But the grandfather clause only pertains to any person who was a Citizen... at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution. Obama was definitely not a Citizen at the time of the adoption of the Constitution and so he is not grandfathered in.[/FONT]​

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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]"And so, for Obama or anybody else to be eligible to be President, they must be a "natural born citizen" of the United States "at birth". It should be obvious that the Framers intended to deny the Presidency to anybody who was a British subject "at birth". If this had not been their intention, then they would not have needed to include a grandfather clause which allowed the Framers themselves to be President.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]"If you click through to Factcheck.org, a more detailed discussion as to why Obama was a British citizen at birth explains the relevant statutes:[/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]"When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom's dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.'s children:[/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]"British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5): Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]"In other words, at the time of his birth, Barack Obama Jr. was both a U.S. citizen (by virtue of being born in Hawaii) and a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (or the UKC) by virtue of being born to a father who was a citizen of the UKC.' "[/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]"The article goes on to state that Obama's British citizenship was transferred to Kenya as Kenya became independent from the UK and that Obama's Kenyan citizenship expired when he turned 21 years old. But none of that is relevant since the Constitution requires that every President be a "natural born citizen". The word "born" is proof positive that the status must be present "at birth". If this were not the case, then, as stated above, the Framers would not have needed to put in a grandfather clause. [/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]"The Framers recognized that even they were not "natural born citizens" and so they wrote the grandfather clause in to allow any of them to become President. But the grandfather clause only pertains to those who were Citizens at the time of the Constitution's adoption. And so, Barack Obama is not a "natural born citizen" of the United States and neither is John McCain who was born in Panama, and neither is Roger Calero who was born in Nicaragua."[/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]All of Leo's court filings are posted on his site; click here. Barack Hussein Obama is a 'creation.' He has had so many names, no one can keep track of his real history. He refuses to release his records for Harvard and Columbia. It has been reported that Obama attended Harvard under a foreign student classification and that is the reason he refuses to open his records. An individual obtained Obama's SS registration form (selective service); click here and scroll down until you see the form. [/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Obama reportedly traveled to Pakistan in 1980 and 1981 using an Indonesian passport. I am working on getting documentation on that.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]This web site presents the final, very technical report on the document produced by the Obama people in June. After studying the credentials of the individual and the analysis, I feel the case has been made the Certificate of Live Birth released by Obama's camp is a forgery.[/FONT]​

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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Barack Hussein Obama, aka Barry Soetoro, aka Barry Obama, aka Barack Dunham, aka Barry Dunham is simply an empty husk delivered up as the messiah and answer to America's problems when he's nothing but a fake and a devout Marxist. If this constitutional issue isn't decided by either the courts or the electoral college on December 15, 2008, and Obama is sworn in, when the truth does come out, and it will, we will truly have a mess of monumental proportions. Even a pro-abortion supporter (who calls abortion murder) of Obama is now questioning why won't Obama produce a real, legal document?[/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]"In the closing weeks of the election, however, I became increasingly disturbed by the mainstream media's avoidance of forthright dealing with several controversies that had been dogging Obama -- even as every flimsy rumor about Sarah Palin was being trumpeted as if it were engraved in stone on Mount Sinai. For example, I had thought for many months that the flap over Obama's birth certificate was a tempest in a teapot. But simple questions about the certificate were never resolved to my satisfaction. Thanks to their own blathering, fanatical overkill, of course, the right-wing challenges to the birth certificate never gained traction.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]"But Obama could have ended the entire matter months ago by publicly requesting Hawaii to issue a fresh, long-form, stamped certificate and inviting a few high profile reporters in to examine the document and photograph it. (The campaign did make the "short-form" certificate available to Factcheck.org, a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania.) And why has Obama not made his university records or thesis work widely available? The passivity of the press toward Bush administration propaganda about weapons of mass destruction led the nation into the costly blunder of the Iraq war. We don't need another presidency that finds it all too easy to rely on evasion or stonewalling. I deeply admire Obama, but as a voter I don't like feeling gamed or played."[/FONT]
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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]What Congress and the media won't tell you[/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]My incoming email is simply more than one person can handle; I can't answer all the questions coming in on issues like social security, the IRS and so many more. This is column number 415 for NWVs. I have written thousands in almost 20 years; a huge number of them are on my CD. By the time this column is posted, I'll be well on my way to the West coast. God willing, I will return home to West Texas around December 3, 2008. Because I won't have a column for a couple of weeks, what I've done is take a half dozen of the biggest issues like health care and put together a compilation of columns. That way, in your spare time (no chuckling, please), you can use these references for research and get the truth. [/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Also, many of my columns as well as Dr. Edwin Vieria and others are available for free on audio on my web site. Click here. You can listen on your computer while doing things around the house or download to your IPod or a CD and listen while driving or on the commute train or plane. Additionally, I have a limited selection of must view videos on my web site. Please feel free to also download those and get them out to family, colleagues and friends. Click here.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]America is not a democracy. Popular web sites and "progressive" sites all push for the destruction of this country when they chirp "Our democracy!" America's legal form of government is a constitutional republic. Please learn the difference and stop supporting mob rule. Fisher Ames, a founding father said: "A democracy is a volcano which conceals the fiery materials of its own destruction. These will produce an eruption and carry desolation in their way." Benjamin Rush said: "A simple democracy is the devil's own government." John Adams said: "Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide."[/FONT]​

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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]What can I do? is the common question. The ballot box is dead, this last election proves it beyond any doubt. The same Congress, with a whopping 17 "new" faces, will go back in in less than two months. Come January, our thrust has to be to the states as I have written about and an all out, constant assault (not violence) on the U.S. Congress. There is no other way until the final break down, and then no one can't say we the people didn't do everything the right way first.[/FONT]​

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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]As my regular readers know, but perhaps not new readers, I always provide my source reference material. At the end of my columns are additional resources. Over almost 20 years I have learned from warriors; experts in their respective fields on all these issues. Because time is so short, I have made every effort to get the most credible and legally factual information available for you to get the truth. Unless we're all on the same LEGAL battlefield, Americans will continue to demand more failure instead of the constitutional solutions that held us true for so long --- until the special interest groups began purchasing the favors of Congress about a half century ago. We are now at the end of all the corruption as the system has rotted to near extinction.[/FONT]​

 

[Warthog]

We can only hope the Electorial College decides not to cast their votes.

 

[NC Susan]

write to the Supreme Court!



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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif] You need only ask Justice Thomas to hear Leo's case on an expedited basis because Obama's refusal to prove he's a natural born citizen is building into a constitutional crisis that cannot be allowed to progress to the swearing in process should the electoral college actually go ahead and vote him in on December 15, 2008.
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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Provide the case title and name: [/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Leo C. Donofrio, v. Nina Mitchell Wells, Secretary of State of the State of New Jersey[/FONT]
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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif] United States Supreme Court Docket No. 08A407[/FONT]​

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]The Honorable Associate Justice Clarence Thomas
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[kemosabe]

Ya know, I have wondered more than a few times, at this new "Office of the President-Elect" that Obama started putting on everything, and supposedly created...

I wonder if he plans on there being a divide of powers , due to this Constitutional crisis of him not being a natural born citizen ..


And I can see something like this dividing our country , when/if the electoral college doesn't vote him in due to him not being eligible..

It'll be the Obamabots vs the Patriots ..

 

[ichoric]

Uhhh...wow. I can't say I've read everything posted, but I got as far as this link:

http://peoplespassions.org/documents/birth_certificate.htm

I was born in Hawaii. My birth certificate looks almost exactly like the one listed as the "computer generated fake"...(I ordered a copy about a decade ago.)

The differences... on the bottom, where his copy says "Date Filed By Registrar," mine says "Date Received by Local Registrar." And below that, mine says "Date Copy Was Issued." And I have about a 2.5 inch margin on top.

On the other hand, my copy has a revision date of 2/97, and his is 11/01, so maybe they changed the wording and removed the "Date Copy Was Issued"

But, on the bottom of both mine and his fake, it says "This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding." So, if Hawaii created this copy for him, and they have a date that the birth was received by the local registrar...what else is there to dispute? Did HI just pull some random date to put on the "registrar" date?

While I'm not sure where it is, I also had, at one time, a certificate that looked like the second image (although mine was black.) Since I couldn't find it, and HI sent me the top version...how will*I* provide my "vault copy" when I run for prez? =)

 

[Grantbo]

If obamma doesn't come clean regarding this issue it will forever haunt him as patriots question his legitimacy.

 

[NC Susan]

world net has this petition drive to the Supremes, and yup, I'm signing right now!


www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81550

 

[NC Susan]

from another Philadelphia Newspaper, Philadelphia being the birthplace of the Constitution.


http://www.thebulletin.us/site/news.cfm?newsid=20210273

Obama Fomenting A Constitutional Crisis: Constitutional Lawyer Discusses Ramifications Of Controversy


By John P. Connolly, The Bulletin
12/01/2008





Controversy continues to surround President-elect Barack Obama's eligibility to serve as president, and a case involving his birth certificate waits for its day before the U.S. Supreme Court. A constitutional lawyer said were it to be discovered that Mr. Obama is not a natural-born U.S. citizen, it would have grave consequences for the nation.

According to the Constitution, a president must be a natural born citizen of the U.S. Mr. Obama's critics have failed to force him legally to produce his original birth certificate, and Mr. Obama has resisted any attempt to make him do so. Currently, only Hawaii Department of Health officials have access to Mr. Obama's original records.

Some of Mr. Obama's critics have said he was born in Kenya and have claimed he is a citizen of Kenya, Indonesia, or even a British subject.

Edwin Vieira, a constitutional lawyer who has practiced for 30 years and holds four degrees from Harvard, said if it were to be discovered Mr. Obama were not eligible for the presidency, it would cause many problems. They would be compounded if his ineligibility were discovered after he had been in office for a period of time.

"Let's assume he wasn't born in the U.S.," Mr. Vieira told The Bulletin. "What's the consequence? He will not be eligible. That means he cannot be elected validly. The people and the Electoral College cannot overcome this and the House of Representatives can't make him president. So what's the next step? He takes the oath of office, and assuming he's aware he's not a citizen, then it's a perjured oath."

Any appointments made by an ineligible president would have to be recalled, and their decisions would be invalidated.

"He may have nominated people to different positions; he may have nominated people to the judicial branch, who may have been confirmed, they may have gone out on xecutive duty and done various things," said Mr. Vieira. "The people that he's put into the judicial branch may have decided cases, and all of that needs to be unzipped."

Mr. Vieira said Obama supporters should be the ones concerned about the case, because Mr. Obama's platform would be discredited it he were forced to step down from the presidency later due to his ineligibility, were it to be discovered.

"Let's say we go a year into this process, and it all turns out to be a flim-flam," said Mr. Vieira. "What's the nation's reaction to that? What's going to be the reaction in the next U.S. election? God knows. It has almost revolutionary consequences, if you think about it."

Mr. Vieira said Mr. Obama's continued silence and avoidance in the release of his birth certificate is an ethical issue because of the dire consequences that could be caused by a possible constitutional crisis.

"If he were my client and this question came up in civil litigation, if there was some reason that his birth status was relevant and the other side wanted him to produce the thing and he said 'no,' I would tell him, 'you have about 15 minutes to produce it or sign the papers necessary to produce the document, or I'm resigning as your attorney," said Mr. Vieira. "I don't think any ethical attorney would go ahead on the basis that his client could produce an objective document in civil litigation [and refused to do so]."

Further, Mr. Vieira cited a fraud ruling in a 1977 case called U.S. v. Prudden, which he feels applies in this case.

"Silence can only be equated with fraud when there is a legal and moral duty to speak or when an inquiry left unanswered would be intentionally misleading," the ruling reads. "We cannot condone this shocking conduct ... If that is the case we hope our message is clear. This sort of deception will not be tolerated and if this is routine it should be corrected immediately."

Mr. Vieira said such an ethical question of representing a client who refused to produce such a basic document is important, even in a small civil case. The current question is concerning the man who potentially could have his finger next to the nuclear button.

"[The birth certificate], in theory, should be there," said Mr. Vieira. "What if it isn't? Who knows, aside from Mr. Obama? Does Russian intelligence know it isn't there? Does Chinese intelligence know it isn't there? Does the CIA know that it isn't there? Who is in a position to blackmail this fellow?"

Mr. Vieira explained all laws have to be submitted to the president. In the event that there is no valid president, then no laws passed by Congress in that administration would be legally null and void. Because of that, this case will probably not go away, even after Mr. Obama takes the oath of office.

"If you don't produce it, you think it's going to go away," he said. "There are all these cases challenging Mr. Obama, and some challenging secretaries of state, and they run into this doctrine called standing."

Mr. Vieira explained although legal standing is difficult to get around in Federal courts, the document could be produced in any criminal cases stemming from legislation passed in the Obama administration.

"Let's assume that an Obama administration passes some of these controversial pieces of legislation he has been promising to go for, like the FOCA (Freedom of Choice) Act," said Mr. Vieira. "I would assume that some of those surely will have some severe civil or criminal penalties attached to them for violation. You are now the criminal defendant under this statute, which was passed by an Obama Congress and signed by President Obama. Your defense is that is not a statute because Mr. Obama is not the president. You now have a right and I have never heard this challenged, to subpoena in a criminal case, anyone who has relevant evidence relating to your defenses. And you can subpoena them duces tecum, meaning 'you shall bring with you the documents.' "

Such a criminal defense would enable the defendant to subpoena any person to testify in court and any person to bring evidence in their possession to the court.

Further, records could be subpoenaed directly, in the case of a birth certificate. Once the record could be subpoenaed, the birth certificate could be examined by forensic experts, who would then be able to testify to the document's veracity as expert witnesses. Any movement by the judges to make a special exception to the president in a criminal case would hurt the legitimacy of that presidential administration.

"I can't believe I'm the only lawyer who would think of this," said Mr. Vieira. "I think any criminal lawyer defending against one of these politically charged statutes is going to come up with this. That means it will never go away until that document is laid down on the table and people say, 'yes, there it is.' And therefore they're caught. If people keep challenging this and the judges out of fear keep saying 'no, go to jail, go to jail, go to jail' then that's the end of the Obama administration's legitimacy. On the other hand if they open the file and it's not there, then that's really the end of the administration's legitimacy."

Several court cases in the birth certificate controversy are waiting admission to the Supreme Court.

A gathering of judges will meet on Dec. 5 to decide whether or not to hear a case from New Jersey, and a decision is still pending on a case from a lawyer in Pennsylvania. Should four of the judges vote to hear the case in the Dec. 5 meeting, then it will be scheduled for hearings. Court cases from Connecticut and New York have also applied for hearings at the U.S. Supreme Court.

John P. Connolly can be reached at jconnolly@thebulletin.us


©The Bulletin 2008

 

[NC Susan]

Uhhh...wow. I can't say I've read everything posted, but I got as far as this link:

http://peoplespassions.org/documents/birth_certificate.htm

I was born in Hawaii. My birth certificate looks almost exactly like the one listed as the "computer generated fake"...(I ordered a copy about a decade ago.)

The differences... on the bottom, where his copy says "Date Filed By Registrar," mine says "Date Received by Local Registrar." And below that, mine says "Date Copy Was Issued." And I have about a 2.5 inch margin on top.

On the other hand, my copy has a revision date of 2/97, and his is 11/01, so maybe they changed the wording and removed the "Date Copy Was Issued"

But, on the bottom of both mine and his fake, it says "This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding." So, if Hawaii created this copy for him, and they have a date that the birth was received by the local registrar...what else is there to dispute? Did HI just pull some random date to put on the "registrar" date?

While I'm not sure where it is, I also had, at one time, a certificate that looked like the second image (although mine was black.) Since I couldn't find it, and HI sent me the top version...how will*I* provide my "vault copy" when I run for prez? =)

Icorhic,
Can you watch this video destructing the certificate and compare it to your own.......let us know what you see differently

www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDIVEfVGLBQ

 

[twincougars]

So what exactly is a Constitutional crisis? We've been subjected to violations of the Constitution before, like the Patriot Act and an "assualt weapons ban." So, the SCOTUS will probably brush aside the Obama natural-born cit. cases, thus stamping another approval on the doctrine that the Constitution can be modified at will by the Court. Is a "Crisis" something different than your average run-of-the-mill Constitutional violation? Does it totally nullify the Constitution?

 

[momof23goats]

Malcom X is his daddy.

 

[jed turtle]

So what exactly is a Constitutional crisis? We've been subjected to violations of the Constitution before, like the Patriot Act and an "assualt weapons ban." So, the SCOTUS will probably brush aside the Obama natural-born cit. cases, thus stamping another approval on the doctrine that the Constitution can be modified at will by the Court. Is a "Crisis" something different than your average run-of-the-mill Constitutional violation? Does it totally nullify the Constitution?

i think - if the supremes try to ignore it (and certainly the MSM is) - it will all boil down to whether enough people stand up and start shouting about it. if enough people demand that this be brought out in the open, then the Supremes won't have any choice.

 

[NC Susan]

So what exactly is a Constitutional crisis? We've been subjected to violations of the Constitution before, like the Patriot Act and an "assualt weapons ban." So, the SCOTUS will probably brush aside the Obama natural-born cit. cases, thus stamping another approval on the doctrine that the Constitution can be modified at will by the Court. Is a "Crisis" something different than your average run-of-the-mill Constitutional violation? Does it totally nullify the Constitution?

add this one,
another reason for Hillary to protect Obama............to protect Hillary........to protect the Democrat Party of Death


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-gop/2141288/posts

[SIZE=+1]Appointment of Hillary Clinton as SOS is a violation of the Constitution; Art.1 Sect. 6[/SIZE]

The Constitution of the United States of America
Posted on Tuesday, December 02, 2008 12:56:48 AM by onemom
U.S. Constitution - Article 1 Section 6
Article 1 - The Legislative Branch Section 6 - Compensation paragraph two states:
"No Senator or Representative shall, during the Time for which he was elected, be appointed to any civil Office under the Authority of the United States which shall have been created, or the Emoluments whereof shall have been increased during such time; and no Person holding any Office under the United States, shall be a Member of either House during his Continuance in Office."

[SIZE=-1]TOPICS:[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1] New York[/SIZE]; [SIZE=-1]U.S. Senate[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]KEYWORDS:[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]appointment[/SIZE]; [SIZE=-1]barrackobama[/SIZE]; [SIZE=-1]clinton[/SIZE]; [SIZE=-1]unlawful[/SIZE] It appears that Barrack Obama, himself a constitutional lawyer, is (perhaps again) violating the constitution by appointing Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State while she is still the Senator of New York?

 

[fruit loop]

Devvy Kidd is a simple-minded twat anyway.

 

[Wise Owl]

Nice work Susan!

So, Hilary can not take the SOS job as long as she is senator of NY. Someone needs to get that into the courts also!

And Obama is supposed to be a constitutional lawyer? I think he is trying his best to get around every sentence of the Constitution, not defend it.

 

[sassy]

from another Philadelphia Newspaper, Philadelphia being the birthplace of the Constitution.


http://www.thebulletin.us/site/news.cfm?newsid=20210273

Obama Fomenting A Constitutional Crisis: Constitutional Lawyer Discusses Ramifications Of Controversy


By John P. Connolly, The Bulletin
12/01/2008





Controversy continues to surround President-elect Barack Obama's eligibility to serve as president, and a case involving his birth certificate waits for its day before the U.S. Supreme Court. A constitutional lawyer said were it to be discovered that Mr. Obama is not a natural-born U.S. citizen, it would have grave consequences for the nation.

According to the Constitution, a president must be a natural born citizen of the U.S. Mr. Obama's critics have failed to force him legally to produce his original birth certificate, and Mr. Obama has resisted any attempt to make him do so. Currently, only Hawaii Department of Health officials have access to Mr. Obama's original records.

Some of Mr. Obama's critics have said he was born in Kenya and have claimed he is a citizen of Kenya, Indonesia, or even a British subject.

Edwin Vieira, a constitutional lawyer who has practiced for 30 years and holds four degrees from Harvard, said if it were to be discovered Mr. Obama were not eligible for the presidency, it would cause many problems. They would be compounded if his ineligibility were discovered after he had been in office for a period of time.

"Let's assume he wasn't born in the U.S.," Mr. Vieira told The Bulletin. "What's the consequence? He will not be eligible. That means he cannot be elected validly. The people and the Electoral College cannot overcome this and the House of Representatives can't make him president. So what's the next step? He takes the oath of office, and assuming he's aware he's not a citizen, then it's a perjured oath."

Any appointments made by an ineligible president would have to be recalled, and their decisions would be invalidated.

"He may have nominated people to different positions; he may have nominated people to the judicial branch, who may have been confirmed, they may have gone out on xecutive duty and done various things," said Mr. Vieira. "The people that he's put into the judicial branch may have decided cases, and all of that needs to be unzipped."

Mr. Vieira said Obama supporters should be the ones concerned about the case, because Mr. Obama's platform would be discredited it he were forced to step down from the presidency later due to his ineligibility, were it to be discovered.

"Let's say we go a year into this process, and it all turns out to be a flim-flam," said Mr. Vieira. "What's the nation's reaction to that? What's going to be the reaction in the next U.S. election? God knows. It has almost revolutionary consequences, if you think about it."

Mr. Vieira said Mr. Obama's continued silence and avoidance in the release of his birth certificate is an ethical issue because of the dire consequences that could be caused by a possible constitutional crisis.

"If he were my client and this question came up in civil litigation, if there was some reason that his birth status was relevant and the other side wanted him to produce the thing and he said 'no,' I would tell him, 'you have about 15 minutes to produce it or sign the papers necessary to produce the document, or I'm resigning as your attorney," said Mr. Vieira. "I don't think any ethical attorney would go ahead on the basis that his client could produce an objective document in civil litigation [and refused to do so]."

Further, Mr. Vieira cited a fraud ruling in a 1977 case called U.S. v. Prudden, which he feels applies in this case.

"Silence can only be equated with fraud when there is a legal and moral duty to speak or when an inquiry left unanswered would be intentionally misleading," the ruling reads. "We cannot condone this shocking conduct ... If that is the case we hope our message is clear. This sort of deception will not be tolerated and if this is routine it should be corrected immediately."

Mr. Vieira said such an ethical question of representing a client who refused to produce such a basic document is important, even in a small civil case. The current question is concerning the man who potentially could have his finger next to the nuclear button.

"[The birth certificate], in theory, should be there," said Mr. Vieira. "What if it isn't? Who knows, aside from Mr. Obama? Does Russian intelligence know it isn't there? Does Chinese intelligence know it isn't there? Does the CIA know that it isn't there? Who is in a position to blackmail this fellow?"

Mr. Vieira explained all laws have to be submitted to the president. In the event that there is no valid president, then no laws passed by Congress in that administration would be legally null and void. Because of that, this case will probably not go away, even after Mr. Obama takes the oath of office.

"If you don't produce it, you think it's going to go away," he said. "There are all these cases challenging Mr. Obama, and some challenging secretaries of state, and they run into this doctrine called standing."

Mr. Vieira explained although legal standing is difficult to get around in Federal courts, the document could be produced in any criminal cases stemming from legislation passed in the Obama administration.

"Let's assume that an Obama administration passes some of these controversial pieces of legislation he has been promising to go for, like the FOCA (Freedom of Choice) Act," said Mr. Vieira. "I would assume that some of those surely will have some severe civil or criminal penalties attached to them for violation. You are now the criminal defendant under this statute, which was passed by an Obama Congress and signed by President Obama. Your defense is that is not a statute because Mr. Obama is not the president. You now have a right and I have never heard this challenged, to subpoena in a criminal case, anyone who has relevant evidence relating to your defenses. And you can subpoena them duces tecum, meaning 'you shall bring with you the documents.' "

Such a criminal defense would enable the defendant to subpoena any person to testify in court and any person to bring evidence in their possession to the court.

Further, records could be subpoenaed directly, in the case of a birth certificate. Once the record could be subpoenaed, the birth certificate could be examined by forensic experts, who would then be able to testify to the document's veracity as expert witnesses. Any movement by the judges to make a special exception to the president in a criminal case would hurt the legitimacy of that presidential administration.

"I can't believe I'm the only lawyer who would think of this," said Mr. Vieira. "I think any criminal lawyer defending against one of these politically charged statutes is going to come up with this. That means it will never go away until that document is laid down on the table and people say, 'yes, there it is.' And therefore they're caught. If people keep challenging this and the judges out of fear keep saying 'no, go to jail, go to jail, go to jail' then that's the end of the Obama administration's legitimacy. On the other hand if they open the file and it's not there, then that's really the end of the administration's legitimacy."

Several court cases in the birth certificate controversy are waiting admission to the Supreme Court.

A gathering of judges will meet on Dec. 5 to decide whether or not to hear a case from New Jersey, and a decision is still pending on a case from a lawyer in Pennsylvania. Should four of the judges vote to hear the case in the Dec. 5 meeting, then it will be scheduled for hearings. Court cases from Connecticut and New York have also applied for hearings at the U.S. Supreme Court.

John P. Connolly can be reached at jconnolly@thebulletin.us


©The Bulletin 2008

Now there are 5 cases before the Supreme Court.

Last one filed yesterday from Texas.

 

[sassy]

http://drorly.blogspot.com/2008/12/5th-obamagate-case-reaches-supreme.html

{Dr. Orly Taitz}


5Th Obama case has reached the Supreme Court:

1. Philip J berg PA
2. Leo C Donofrio NJ
3. Chris Strunck NY
4. Cort Wrotnowski CT
5. Darrel Hunter TX

Cases from 15 more states are moving towards the Supreme Court.

We the People foundation has placed a full page ad in the Chicago Tribune, Obama home turf demanding disclosure of birth certificate and all other pertinent documents.

More sabotage by the Supreme Court: Mr. Wrotnowski was told that his case was delayed by 7 days, because his Emergency Petition for Stay of Elections was forwarded to the Anthrax lab. Numerous phone calls were placed to the Supreme Court demanding answers, why was that Petition sent to the Anthrax lab, Mr. Wrotnowski is a law abiding citizen, a business owner, was never in trouble with the law. Why was his petition delayed by a week via sending it to the Anthrax lab. No response was received, no name of the clerk was given. These clerks are sabotaging anti Obama cases to put a foreigner in the White House, this is bordering on aiding and abetting treason.

Please write to all 9 judges, let them know what is going on, demand to join all 5 cases currently in the Supreme Court, you can send them a copy of our Keyes v Bowen petition for Writ of Mandate as a supporting document.

Currently I am working on filing a second case, representing another group of candidates, party officials, Certified Electors and Registered voters and I am assisting other attorneys all around the country, that are preparing similar actions and trying to match voters and electors in different states with attorneys that can represent them.

 

[sassy]

http://drorly.blogspot.com/

Tuesday, December 2, 2008

Emergency Motion for Immediate injunction in the Supreme court by Berg

Tuesday, December 2, 2008

Berg to File Emergency Injunction Today, Awaits Answer from Barack Obama and DNC

One day after the deadline set by Supreme Court Justice David Souter for Barack Obama and the DNC to respond to attorney Philip Berg's Petition for Writ of Certiorari has passed without an answer, Berg is filing a motion in the Court in an attempt to further prevent Obama from taking office in January as the 44th president of the United States.

From what I could gather, the emergency motion for immediate injunction contains two main parts

-- in filing the motion, Berg is looking for the Court

(1) to prohibit the certification of electors by the governors of each individual state in order to stay the Electoral College from casting votes for Obama on December 15, and

(2) to stay the official counting of any votes for Obama by Vice President Dick Cheney, the House of Representatives and United States Senate on January 6, 2009, pending any decision on his appeal.

"As I've said over and over and over again, we're headed toward a constitutional crisis, and it is absolutely imperative that we find out now, before he is sworn in, whether Obama is qualified under the United States Constitution to be president," Berg said.

"It is my firm belief, my one thousand percent firm belief," he said, "that he does not meet the natural born qualifications, that he should not be voted for by the electors, and that he should not be sworn in this January unless he shows his credentials ... which he of course cannot, simply because he does not have them."

The motion comes one day after Obama and the DNC were directed to respond to Berg's Petition for Writ of Certiorari (the parties, however, are allowed two more days for mail service).

On Wed., Nov. 19, the Federal Election Commission formally waived its right to respond to Berg's petition and, while such waiver is not necessary, neither is any such response to a petition.

Like the FEC, Obama and the DNC could essentially bank on the low odds that any one matter will be heard by the Court (only somewhere between 70 and 120 of the approximately 8,000 petitions are granted each year), or rely on arguments already made that Berg lacks standing to sue at all.

While he recognizes that Obama and the DNC were not obligated to file an answer, Berg believes that the lack of response could be rooted less in procedure and more in audacity, stating that he "doesn't expect them to respond" and that his opponents will likely "take a more cavalier approach that we lack standing."

"If they were going to respond, I get the feeling that it would have been in there by now," Berg said. "The feeling may be that, if they respond, they could hold themselves out for perjury later on when we're successful. That's why, in the lower court, they just relied on a motion to dismiss based on standing. Here, they may not want to file an actual, specific response in the Supreme Court for fear they'll be held to it later."

Despite relative inactivity in the courts over the past few weeks, Berg is happy with the efforts being taken by others to spread the word and "ensure that our Constitution is being upheld."

Berg said that it is "apparent that we have made some concrete breakthroughs in terms of taking our message and our arguments to the American people," and indeed his challenge of Barack Obama's constitutional eligibility, started with a simple complaint on August 21, 2008, has taken on a mind of its own.

A full-page advertisement ran in the news section of yesterday's Chicago Tribune, and will run again tomorrow. Another full-page ad ran last week in the Washington Times. Articles have been published online and otherwise by the Washington Post, MSNBC, The Christian Science Monitor, and more.

"We're finding that there is a great interest across the United States," Berg said. "I've been on talk show after talk show, and the more the case is discussed, the more people are made aware of it and are disgusted by the fact that Obama just won't simply produce the credentials showing he's qualified. Hopefully, some authority will demand it."

"This is the biggest hoax ever perpetrated against American citizens in the history of our nation," he said. "When all is said and done, people should be held criminally responsible for this, people should go to jail for this. It's just wrong, on so many levels."




Posted by Jeff Schreiber LINK: http://www.americasright.com/2008/12/berg-to-file-emergency-injunction-today.html

 

[Moggy]

Excellent finds, Susan, thank you.

Moggy

 

[fruit loop]

You people wouldn't be satisfied no matter what is produced at this point. The birth cert, his mother's medical records (in this case, thank God she didn't have a home birth, or you'd be ALL over that one), and even video of the delivery wouldn't satisfy you. You'd scream Illuminati Conspiracy or some bullshit like that.

This will never die unless WorldNetDaily says he's a citizen....

 

[ichoric]

Icorhic,
Can you watch this video destructing the certificate and compare it to your own.......let us know what you see differently

www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDIVEfVGLBQ

Sure can...

First off, this may sound like I'm insulting whoever is following or believing this stuff. For a while, I thought it was interesting...but if this is the BEST people can do to "prove" the guy wasn't US born...then I'm pretty sure he was born in Hawaii.

Anyway, onto the guys four points.

1. "The Pixel Problem"
The blurring of pixels: image compression. The background (on mine) is a pattern what looks like 2 pipes (||) horizontal, then vertical. Yes, it's perfectly clear on my copy. However, this self-proclaimed expert of web design and graphic size and quality and whatnot doesn't appear to grasp that concept. I could scan mine in, and anywhere that there is text or a change of colors, there will be blur if I saved it in a compressed format.


2. The Border
On mine, the border is an array of incredibly close together dots. Unless you have a good scanner and save as RAW (where each pixel represents (r,g,b,a)...thus creating a HUGE image, the level of detail is going to be hurt. Image compression does bad things to intricate details.

3. The "fold lines"
Yep, mine has 2 fold lines. And they're clearly visible, 'cause I keep it tri-fold.

4. "Conflicting Features"
I'm not sure what "2008 Seal" the guy is talking about, but I have the same Seal on mine. The "2008 Stamp," again, no idea what he's talking about. You can see THROUGH the paper that the back of the certificate is stamped 2007.


I think there's a reason that this stuff isn't main stream. If that's the best there is...it's nothing.

And I think there's a reason McCain et. al didn't try jumping onboard with this. His party is already in shambles...he didn't want to be the one that destroyed it completely.

You people wouldn't be satisfied no matter what is produced at this point.

Agreed. It was interesting at first, but I didn't really bother looking much into it. Now...people who really don't want the guy to be president are clinging onto anything possible.