WAR Ukraine

Reborn

Seeking Aslan's Country
Welcome Newbie! I'm looking forward to your views about what is going on in Ukraine.
 

mzkitty

I give up.
What is happening in Ukraine? The war for independence, the war between the oligarchs or the disintegration of the country.

I don't think we know any more than you do. We just have been trying to chronicle it all for a long time now.

You have two blog articles, it says. I will check them out.
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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Welcome,

We were just saying the other day...."It sure would be great if someone from Ukraine joins TB" :D
 

mzkitty

I give up.
Thanks for the history lesson, and what you see has emerged in the present age.

We have some of the same problems in the US, especially with regards to keeping most of the people ignorant peasants and the powers that be's wont to accumulate all the wealth for themselves.

Sigh............
 

bev

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Hello, and welcome.

Is this you?

"Volodymyr holds a PhD in Laws, is practising lawyer, and Associate Professor of Theory and History of State and Law department, of Kyiv national economic university and Distinguished Fellow of KNEU “Kyiv national economic university named after Vadym Hetman”."

Also ukranianlaw.blogspot.com ?

I look forward to reading your future posts! You'll be able to offer a unique perspective on a wide range of topics.

(Please don't be offended that I did some research. Your blog writings show you are highly educated and, I thought, possibly involved in media and / or government. I wanted to satisfy my curiosity; I doubt I am the only one who did this. Many of us here tend to be overly curious. No offense intended.)
 

Ben Sunday

Deceased
Welcome to TB2K. New members mean new insights and other streams of information.

I'm sure you will find much to discuss and even more to think about as the crisis in your country lingers on.
 

Deena in GA

Administrator
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I can confirm that he is that person, bev.

Volodymyr, as I told you in our emails, I look forward to reading your perspective on things. Welcome and post away! I'm sure we will find it fascinating!
 

Sacajawea

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Greetings!

While I follow a lot of economic and political news pretty closely, I wonder if you could describe for us how daily life has changed in Ukraine? On another board, I've been reading about the experiences of someone fled Donetsk with his family and what it's been like - what helped, what didn't, and what their life is like now. It seems to help him make the adjustment, to tell his story of what happened - how; and it helps us realize what we might face someday.

Thanks.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Welcome! My former mentor is Ukrainian. His father and rest of his family still live there. When the Russia/Ukraine conflict was just getting underway, I had several conversations about it with him. The insights he shared were completely different than our media has presented to the American public.

Glad to have you aboard, and so looking forward to your thoughts.

Dennis
 

Knighttemplar

Veteran Member
Hello and welcome,
I welcome your posts. I hope to learn as much from your posts about your current situation as i did from FerFal and the situation he was in. Again welcome.
 

mzkitty

I give up.
What I found very interesting in the first blog post was how the historical personal/blood revenge attitude was eventually replaced by monetary revenge of a sort. They evolved.

Compare that to muzzies, whose whole reason for being is blood and revenge.

And that will never change.


P.S. If you don't know how to access the blog entries, just click on his name in this thread and then on where it says blog.
 

etc

Inactive
Ukraine has become a proxy in the war between west and russia.
It is not about ukraine, it is about that bigger picture.

Kind of like vietnam was a proxy war of same caliber. I think this is more dangerous however.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
Welcome to TB2K and ignore the lawyer jokes that we indulge in from time to time. Most lawyers here are not held in high esteem for one reason or another. Perhaps because of our legal system. Don't know if you have to deal with that in Ukraine. And please forgive us for what the leaders in our country have done to inflame the problems in your country. If most of us here had our way we wouldn't have stuck our nose into the affairs on how your country selects it's leaders.
 

Cardinal

Chickministrator
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Welcome to TB2K. I too look forward to your contributions. We all gain from a boots-on-the-ground perspective.
 
Hello, you are absolutely right. This is me. Thank you for your attention to my person. I am not involved in the media or the government. It is not in my line. As far as I can see here is extremely educated and energetic people. I'll try to write all my answers but for some time. In addition, I was teased by comments to my post about civil society in Ukraine. I'll try to write a few posts to clarify my position.
 
Hello, thanks for the kind words. Some people in Ukraine hope on your leaders only. For example, my grandfather was taken by the Nazis for forced labor in Germany during the World War II. Obviously, there are geopolitical interests of the United States, Europe and Russia.This can destroy the Ukraine, but this can save Ukraine, also (hello Machiavelli). Returning to your legal system allow me to express subversive thought - the court's decision and the rule of law are two sides of the same phenomenon.
 

etc

Inactive
Украинский президент - это Американская или европейская проститутка который продает независимость Украины западу.

С другой стороны Россия ничего хорошего Украине не принесет и никогда не приносила. Последний раз когда россия контролировала эту территорию, они вызвали голодомор который привысил даже холокост по численности.
И это новое нападание ничего хорошего не принесет.
Кажется что Украина попала в непростую ситуацию, надо выбрать одного дьявола или другого.
Я за независимость украины как от России так и от запада.
 
Украинский президент это президент моей страны! Если сможете контролировать себя, то не называйте его проституткой. Примитивное мышление мечтает о том, чтобы Украина не входила ни в одну систему коллективной безопасности и стала легкой добычей России.
Ukrainian president is the president of my country! If you can control yourself, do not call him a prostitute. Primitive thinking dreaming about that Ukraine will not a part of any system of collective security and become easy prey for Russia.
 
Украинский президент это президент моей страны! Если сможете контролировать себя, то не называйте его проституткой. Примитивное мышление мечтает о том, чтобы Украина не входила ни в одну систему коллективной безопасности и стала легкой добычей России.
Ukrainian president is the president of my country! If you can control yourself, do not call him a prostitute. Primitive thinking dreaming about that Ukraine will not a part of any system of collective security and become easy prey for Russia.
 

medic38572

TB Fanatic
ETC
The Ukrainian president is the American or European prostitute which sells independence of Ukraine to the West.

On the other hand Russia good to Ukraine will not bring anything and never brought. Last time when Russia supervised this territory, they have caused голодомор which привысил even the Holocaust on number.
And this new нападание good will not bring anything.
It seems that Ukraine has got in a uneasy situation, it is necessary to choose one devil or another.
I for independence украины both from Russia and from the West.
Volodymyr
The Ukrainian president is the president of my country! If can supervise itself do not name its prostitute. The primitive thinking dreams of that Ukraine was not included into one system of a collective security and became easy extraction of Russia.
Ukrainian president is the president of my country! If you can control yourself, do not call him a prostitute. Primitive thinking dreaming about that Ukraine will not a part of any system of collective security and become easy prey for Russia.
You guys are mean make me find the translator online! :lol: And welcome new guy!
 

etc

Inactive
I understand your point.

The Ukrainian president can start WWIII by getting NATO / European Union / US involved. As we speak, US is sending equipment over to Ukraine to fight the Russians. This is not going to end well.

I don't agree with the Russian invasion. But I am not sure I support turning Ukraine into a NATO member, which is what you are implying.

Mark my words. We are facing WWIII, a complete apocalypse.

The UN/EU gang wants Ukraine as a colony, a place to exploit. They will help but that help comes at a cost. Surely you know that naive to think otherwise. US/UN/EU always has ulterior motives for help.

We will continue this conversation sitting in a basement without electricity by candlelight.

Disrespect to authorities is the norm in US. Almost all high officials are sold out to foreign powers. The American president is an agent of world power behind the stage, he is not an American in any sense of the word.
 

etc

Inactive
This really deserves its own thread but will post it here for now.

My gut feeling tells this won't end well.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/03/13/nato-m13.html


Danger of war with Russia grows as US sends military equipment to Ukraine

Washington has begun delivering military hardware to Ukraine as part of NATO’s ongoing anti-Russian military build-up in eastern Europe, escalating the risk of all-out war between the NATO alliance and Russia, a nuclear-armed power.
The Obama administration announced on Wednesday that it would transfer 30 armored Humvees and 200 unarmored Humvees, as well as $75 million in equipment, including reconnaissance drones, radios and military ambulances. The US Congress has also prepared legislation to arm the Kiev regime with $3 billion in lethal weaponry.
Washington is at the same time deploying 3,000 heavily armed troops to the Baltic republics, near the Russian metropolis of St. Petersburg. Their 750 Abrams main battle tanks, Bradley armored personnel carriers, and other vehicles are slated to remain behind after the US troops leave. This handover is aimed at “showing our determination to stand together” against Russian President Vladimir Putin, US Major General John O’Connor said in the Latvian capital, Riga.
Washington is pressing ahead despite stark warnings from Moscow that it views massive weapons deliveries by NATO to hostile states on its borders as an intolerable threat to Russian national security.
“Without a doubt, if such a decision is reached, it will cause colossal damage to US-Russian relations, especially if residents of the Donbass [east Ukraine] start to be killed by American weapons,” Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman Alexander Lukashevich said last month. He called NATO’s plans “very worrying,” adding: “This is about creating additional operational capabilities that would allow the alliance to react near Russia’s borders... Such decisions will naturally be taken into account in our military planning.”
The decision is also sharpening tensions between Washington and Berlin, which backs the current policy of sanctions and financial strangulation of Russia, but opposes moves that threaten all-out war with Russia.
Visiting Washington yesterday, German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier urged a continuation of the strategy of “economic and political pressure” on Russia. Arming Ukraine, could “catapult (the conflict) into a new phase,” he warned at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) think tank.
The mood in broad sections of the American ruling elite has turned increasingly hysterical, however, after the Kiev regime’s defeat prior to last month’s ceasefire in Ukraine negotiated by German, French, Russian, and Ukrainian officials in Minsk.
In a comment denounced by the Russian Foreign Ministry, retired Major General and TV pundit Robert Scales declared, “It’s game, set, and match in Ukraine. The only way the United States can have any effect in the region and turn the tide is to start killing Russians.”
This week, Pentagon and Congressional officials called for Washington to arm Kiev, pressing for faster action from the White House. Defense Secretary Ashton Carter and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Martin Dempsey are pressing for large-scale weapons deliveries to Kiev, as are leading members of Congress from both big-business parties.
“I applaud President Obama for sending a strong signal both to the people of Ukraine as well as to the Kremlin,” said Democratic Senator Dick Durbin. “But more can and must be done for Ukraine, including defensive weapons as soon as possible.”
“The fact that it appears that the president may have made a commitment to [German Chancellor Angela] Merkel while she was here, or the German ambassador, not to do that certainly has created a lot of concern on both sides of the aisle,” said Republican Senator Bob Corker.
“I don’t buy this argument that, you know, us supplying the Ukrainian army with defensive weapons is going to provoke Putin,” said Democratic Senator Chris Murphy.
With a toxic combination of maniacal aggression and thoughtlessness, the NATO alliance is lurching towards a war with Russia that could destroy the entire planet. Warnings about US policy from Berlin, which itself has led the European imperialist powers in supporting the February 2014 putsch in Kiev and backing the Kiev regime’s bloody war in east Ukraine, have at most a tactical character. The only force that opposes war is the working class, in America and Europe and internationally.
Despite Berlin’s misgivings as to US policy, the NATO alliance is pursuing its escalation against Russia. At a press conference Wednesday, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg and NATO Supreme Commander of European forces General Philip Breedlove laid out the ongoing military build-up across eastern Europe. They spoke at the Supreme command Headquarters of Allied Personnel in Europe (SHAPE) in Mons, Belgium, which oversees NATO operations in Europe.
Stoltenberg declared that due to the Ukraine crisis, NATO has to “expand its collective defense, as it has never done since the end of the Cold War... We will double the rapid response force from 13,000 soldiers to 30,000. We will equip the rapid response force with a spearhead of 5,000 men, which will be ready to deploy within 48 hours. And we will establish six command centers in the Baltic states and three other eastern European countries.”
Referring to NATO member states’ pledge to massively increase defense spending at the recent Wales summit, Stoltenberg pledged to “keep up the momentum.” Besides the escalation in the Baltics, naval exercises are taking place in the Black Sea, and NATO is preparing for the largest exercises for many years, with 25,000 men, in southeastern Europe.
Breedlove said he had never seen greater “unity, readiness and determination within NATO to tackle the challenges of the future together.” He was sure that this would continue.
In reality, tensions between Washington and its European allies, above all Germany, have increased in recent weeks. In its latest edition, Der Spiegel reports that Berlin is angry that “Washington’s hardliners are inciting the conflict with Moscow, first and foremost the supreme commander of NATO in Europe.”
The German Chancellor’s office criticized Breedlove for “dangerous propaganda” and making “imprecise, contradictory and even untruthful” statements.
“I wish that in political matters, Breedlove would express himself more cleverly and reluctantly,” commented a foreign-policy specialist of the Social-Democratic Party, Niels Annen. Instead, NATO has “repeatedly spoken out against a Russian offensive in the Ukraine conflict precisely at the point when in our view, the time was right for careful optimism.”
According to Der Spiegel, the US-German dispute is “fundamentally because the transatlantic partners [have] different objectives... While the German-French initiative [a reference to the Minsk peace agreement] aimed to stabilize the situation in Ukraine, for the hawks in the American administration it is about Russia. They want to push back Russia’s influence in the region and destabilize Putin’s rule. Their dream goal is regime change in Russia.”
German imperialism backed the coup in Ukraine, using the crisis to create political conditions for it to rearm within the framework of NATO and pursue its economic and geostrategic interests in eastern Europe militarily. It fears an escalation of the conflict in Ukraine, however, as it could expand into all-out war between NATO and Russia, for which the German army is not yet ready.
 
This really deserves its own thread but will post it here for now.

My gut feeling tells this won't end well.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/03/13/nato-m13.html


Danger of war with Russia grows as US sends military equipment to Ukraine

The US Congress has also prepared legislation to arm the Kiev regime with $3 billion in lethal weaponry.
"France recognized the independence of the North American colonies and concluded with them in February 1778 the political and military mutual assistance treaties that have been ratified by Congress 4 small 1778 France's recognition of American independence and the signing of the agreements gave the United States an opportunity to occupy a certain place in the international arena , laid the foundation for the recognition of the young American republic as an independent state".
 
I understand your point.

The Ukrainian president can start WWIII by getting NATO / European Union / US involved. As we speak, US is sending equipment over to Ukraine to fight the Russians. This is not going to end well.

I don't agree with the Russian invasion. But I am not sure I support turning Ukraine into a NATO member, which is what you are implying.

Mark my words. We are facing WWIII, a complete apocalypse.

The UN/EU gang wants Ukraine as a colony, a place to exploit. They will help but that help comes at a cost. Surely you know that naive to think otherwise. US/UN/EU always has ulterior motives for help.

We will continue this conversation sitting in a basement without electricity by candlelight.

Disrespect to authorities is the norm in US. Almost all high officials are sold out to foreign powers. The American president is an agent of world power behind the stage, he is not an American in any sense of the word.

Conspirology is not my strong point. I propose to compare life expectancy in different countries (Russia - men-64). Also, I'm not a fan of NATO. As a many in Ukraine. But the movement of Ukraine into NATO is a consequence of the actions of Russia and it should be understood.
 
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