Trump readying massive spensing cuts

dstraito

TB Fanatic
Traditionally, government spending has been like a ratchet, only going in one direction, up.

The spending has been out of control and they spent money from the future so a lot of the nations debt is already allocated.

At 20 trillion, it at be too late.

Maybe if we were very austere and slashed the size and departments of the government and quit spending in other countries, pulled all troops out, but what is the likelihood of that happening?
 
Why is everything over 10 years? What an f'ing farce. If you're going to cut, cut it now, chop it off, let the healing begin and move on. 10 years, so that's 5 CONgress', and at least 2 Presidents. SO much can change in 10 years.
 

Illini Warrior

Illini Warrior
if you're involve in the REAL business world - get involved in the very least with the inner workings of gooberment - on ANY level - it will absolutely astound by the waste & BS that wouldn't last 2 seconds in the REAL business world ....

cut 10%???? .... that's not even the outer layer of fat
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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The FIRST thing that needs to be cut are the billions... probably trillions, by now, of dollars we give to what seems like every freaking country in the world! It would be one thing if we were providing this "charity " out of our excess... but we're borrowing it from our enemies so we can give it away!

If that isn't the very definition of insanity, I don't know what is!

Summerthyme
 
I work for a non-prof hospital system. We're an f'ing joke. I'm in IT and the wife and I know to have contingencies because the new IT management (about 2 - 3 years now) is making the system more and more unstable yet spending money on everything but needed (like people die without the right backups in place) equipment, employees and training.

Whatever. I know my time here is short.

When there's no profit margin to watch, spend it if ya got it.
 

Bob1313

Membership Revoked
I work for a non-prof hospital system. We're an f'ing joke. I'm in IT and the wife and I know to have contingencies because the new IT management (about 2 - 3 years now) is making the system more and more unstable yet spending money on everything but needed (like people die without the right backups in place) equipment, employees and training.

Whatever. I know my time here is short.

When there's no profit margin to watch, spend it if ya got it.

I'm in a similar situation and have been for 10 years, I remember my first boss here used to yell at me for not spending enough money, he'd say I need to take more conference and training trips because I need to justify the budget.
 

Bardou

Veteran Member
I will be thrilled when Obamacare is shut down, Planned Parenthood is defunded, and welfare like EBT cards are cut and put back to the way it was 50 years ago. Oh and all those EOs are reversed.
 

Catnip

Veteran Member
Cutting illegals off of all entitlement programs will save billions.

Traditionally, government spending has been like a ratchet, only going in one direction, up.

The spending has been out of control and they spent money from the future so a lot of the nations debt is already allocated.

At 20 trillion, it at be too late.

Maybe if we were very austere and slashed the size and departments of the government and quit spending in other countries, pulled all troops out, but what is the likelihood of that happening?
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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Trump team prepares dramatic cuts

By Alexander Bolton - 01/19/17 06:00 AM EST

Donald Trump is ready to take an ax to government spending.

Staffers for the Trump transition team have been meeting with career staff at the White House ahead of Friday’s presidential inauguration to outline their plans for shrinking the federal bureaucracy, The Hill has learned.



The changes they propose are dramatic.

The departments of Commerce and Energy would see major reductions in funding, with programs under their jurisdiction either being eliminated or transferred to other agencies. The departments of Transportation, Justice and State would see significant cuts and program eliminations.

The Corporation for Public Broadcasting would be privatized, while the National Endowment for the Arts and National Endowment for the Humanities would be eliminated entirely.

Overall, the blueprint being used by Trump’s team would reduce federal spending by $10.5 trillion over 10 years.

The proposed cuts hew closely to a blueprint published last year by the conservative Heritage Foundation, a think tank that has helped staff the Trump transition.

Similar proposals have in the past won support from Republicans in the House and Senate, who believe they have an opportunity to truly tackle spending after years of warnings about the rising debt.

Many of the specific cuts were included in the 2017 budget adopted by the conservative Republican Study Committee (RSC), a caucus that represents a majority of House Republicans. The RSC budget plan would reduce federal spending by $8.6 trillion over the next decade.

Two members of Trump’s transition team are discussing the cuts at the White House budget office: Russ Vought, a former aide to Vice President-elect Mike Pence and the former executive director of the RSC, and John Gray, who previously worked for Pence, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) and Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) when Ryan headed the House Budget Committee.

Vought and Gray, who both worked for the Heritage Foundation, are laying the groundwork for the so-called skinny budget — a 175- to 200-page document that will spell out the main priorities of the incoming Trump administration, along with summary tables. That document is expected to come out within 45 days of Trump taking office.

The administration’s full budget, including appropriations language, supplementary materials and long-term analysis, is expected to be released toward the end of Trump’s first 100 days in office, or by mid- to late April.

Rep. Mick Mulvaney (R-S.C.), Trump’s choice to head the Office of Management and Budget, has not yet weighed in on the proposed spending reforms because he is still awaiting confirmation by the Senate.

Mulvaney voted for the RSC budget offered as a more conservative alternative to the main House Republican budget in 2015. The House did not vote on the RSC budget for fiscal year 2017.

The preliminary proposals from the White House budget office will be shared with federal departments and agencies soon after Trump takes the oath of office Friday, and could provoke an angry backlash.

Trump’s Cabinet picks have yet to be apprised of the reforms, which would reduce resources within their agencies.

The budget offices of the various departments will have the chance to review the proposals, offer feedback and appeal for changes before the president’s budget goes to Congress.

It’s not clear whether Trump’s first budget will include reforms to Social Security or Medicare, two major drivers of the federal deficit.

Trump vowed during the campaign not to cut Medicare and Social Security, a pledge that Rep. Tom Price (R-Ga.), his pick to head the Department of Health and Human Services, told lawmakers in testimony Wednesday has not changed.

Yet it could be very difficult to reduce U.S. debt without tackling the entitlement programs. Conservative House budgets have repeatedly included reforms to Medicare and Social Security, arguing they are necessary to save the programs.

The presidential budget is important in setting policy and laying out the administration’s agenda, though Congress would be responsible for approving a federal budget and appropriating funds.

Moving Trump’s budget through Congress could be difficult. In 2015, with the GOP in control of the House, the RSC budget failed by a vote of 132 to 294.

Moderate Republicans and Democrats on the Appropriations Committee are likely to push back at some of the cuts being considered by Trump.

But they seem likely to have the support of Mulvaney, a conservative budget hawk who backed the RSC budget.

“Mick Mulvaney and his colleagues at the Republican Study Committee when they crafted budgets over the years, they were serious,” said a former congressional aide. “Mulvaney didn’t take this OMB position to just mind the store.”

“He wants to make significant, fundamental changes to the structure of the president’s budget, and I expect him to do that with Vought and Gray putting the meat on the bones,” the source added.

The Heritage blueprint used as a basis for Trump’s proposed cuts calls for eliminating several programs that conservatives label corporate welfare programs: the Minority Business Development Agency, the Economic Development Administration, the International Trade Administration and the Manufacturing Extension Partnership. The total savings from cutting these four programs would amount to nearly $900 million in 2017.

At the Department of Justice, the blueprint calls for eliminating the Office of Community Oriented Policing Services, Violence Against Women Grants and the Legal Services Corporation and for reducing funding for its Civil Rights and its Environment and Natural Resources divisions.

At the Department of Energy, it would roll back funding for nuclear physics and advanced scientific computing research to 2008 levels, eliminate the Office of Electricity, eliminate the Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy and scrap the Office of Fossil Energy, which focuses on technologies to reduce carbon dioxide emissions.

Under the State Department’s jurisdiction, funding for the Overseas Private Investment Corporation, the Paris Climate Change Agreement and the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change are candidates for elimination.

Conservatives allied with fiscal hawks such as Pence, Paul and the Heritage Foundation say the time is long past due to get serious about cutting the federal deficit.

“The Trump Administration needs to reform and cut spending dramatically, and targeting waste like the National Endowment for the Arts and National Endowment for the Humanities would be a good first step in showing that the Trump Administration is serious about radically reforming the federal budget,” said Brian Darling, a former aide to Paul and a former staffer at the Heritage Foundation.

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/314991-trump-team-prepares-dramatic-cuts
 
I'm in a similar situation and have been for 10 years, I remember my first boss here used to yell at me for not spending enough money, he'd say I need to take more conference and training trips because I need to justify the budget.

At least you got to use it. Management spends it on themselves and catchy pictures for the wall but refuse to train us. Level 3 engineers and they won't send us out to learn. Oddest IT place I've ever been in.
 

Zahra

Veteran Member
Yeah, I think dstraito's right. At 20 trillion in debt, what we're essentially looking at is bankruptcy and reorganization. We need austerity measures similar to what the IMF typically imposes combined with huge increases in productivity, exports, and GDP growth. Oh, and we have to accomplish all of that despite a Democrat party and their merry band of communist agitators and other scum that will fight us every step of the way, a potential economic meltdown, possible world war, and a middle east that's on fire. It's going to be one helluva bumpy ride!
 

frazbo

Veteran Member
I'm in a similar situation and have been for 10 years, I remember my first boss here used to yell at me for not spending enough money, he'd say I need to take more conference and training trips because I need to justify the budget.

100% agree. When DH was in the navy, if they had anything on the ship before they docked at home port that was excess and not on their original manifest when they left, but they acquired "it" cheaper en route while they were out at sea, they had to dump it overboard and then make the request through the "proper" channels at the Pentagon to get that same piece of equipment, costing 10-20-30 times more than what they got the "bargain" one for...and they'd get it. He said the waste in the military was astounding when he was in and he doubts it got any better after he got out.

He said somebody on board would say: "Hey, we need this or that" and someone would know someone on their route of ports they were going to and pick up whatever they needed and trade "something of theirs" for that "something" that they needed but they had to get it off the ship before coming home.

This way the Pentagon could "prove" they needed more money for this or that...

He said believing in a $500.00 hammer and a $2500.00 toilet seat was reality to him. Some of the stories he tells made me shake my head.
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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100% agree. When DH was in the navy, if they had anything on the ship before they docked at home port that was excess and not on their original manifest when they left, but they acquired "it" cheaper en route while they were out at sea, they had to dump it overboard and then make the request through the "proper" channels at the Pentagon to get that same piece of equipment, costing 10-20-30 times more than what they got the "bargain" one for...and they'd get it. He said the waste in the military was astounding when he was in and he doubts it got any better after he got out.

He said somebody on board would say: "Hey, we need this or that" and someone would know someone on their route of ports they were going to and pick up whatever they needed and trade "something of theirs" for that "something" that they needed but they had to get it off the ship before coming home.

This way the Pentagon could "prove" they needed more money for this or that...

He said believing in a $500.00 hammer and a $2500.00 toilet seat was reality to him. Some of the stories he tells made me shake my head.

"Unauthorized Excess" :lol:

During IG inspections, we would load up all the extra goodies that had been scammed, swapped or stolen into a 5-ton.

Somebody would get dispatched to take that truck on a linen run or such...just stay gone all day.
 

dogmanan

Inactive
100% agree. When DH was in the navy, if they had anything on the ship before they docked at home port that was excess and not on their original manifest when they left, but they acquired "it" cheaper en route while they were out at sea, they had to dump it overboard and then make the request through the "proper" channels at the Pentagon to get that same piece of equipment, costing 10-20-30 times more than what they got the "bargain" one for...and they'd get it. He said the waste in the military was astounding when he was in and he doubts it got any better after he got out.

He said somebody on board would say: "Hey, we need this or that" and someone would know someone on their route of ports they were going to and pick up whatever they needed and trade "something of theirs" for that "something" that they needed but they had to get it off the ship before coming home.

This way the Pentagon could "prove" they needed more money for this or that...

He said believing in a $500.00 hammer and a $2500.00 toilet seat was reality to him. Some of the stories he tells made me shake my head.

Been their done that and it made me sick.I was in the navy to, at the end of every month we always had much monwy left in budget and we had to spend it or it was taken away, so we spent it on crap just to spend it and I know all gov. places have to do the same thing.
 

kochevnik

Senior Member
Word is most of the cuts are along the lines of Republican Study Committee Budget of 2015 :

http://rsc.walker.house.gov/files/uploads/RSC_2017_Blueprint_for_a_Balanced_Budget_2.0.pdf

Everyone is for cutting waste until their special pet allocation or credit disappears. If Trump pulls ANY of this off, you better be prepared for
some of the govt things you like to go away.

They actually voted on this budget a few years ago - 139 for all the rest against.

The new OMB guy Trump picked voted for this so safe to say he is going to push it hard.

Considering the current budget runs about 4 trillion and most of that is SS, medicare and 'defense' - this would GUT the govt. Personally,
as much as I would like to see this happen (except for the increase in defense spending), gutting govt spending is not politically feasible.

Too many special snowflakes dependent on particular govt freebies (just try removing the mortgage interest deduction and see how many scream - and thats
just one of THOUSANDS of such programs).
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
I remember one of my Army Sergeants as saying that "Inefficientcy is national policy."

It sounds like Trump is going for 1.5 TRILLION Dollars a year in cuts. Click my wordpress blog link to read what I think about the actual potential for doing this.

The total Federal budget is 4 TRILLION Dollars, with a $600 Billion budget deficit. If you leave SS, Medicare, Defense and the Interest payment alone, that is roughly 2 to 2.5 Trillion in fixed spending. Trump sounds like he is going to make some deep cuts in pretyy much the discretion federal spending.

PBS is gone. Commerce, Energy, State etc can take some damn near extinction level cuts in my opinion. NO MORE REFUGEE FUNDING FOR STARTERS.

We shall see how this plays out, but as long as Trump leaves SS and Medicare alone, only goes after illegals getting food stamps etc he is golden. IF Trump just cuts one third of food stamp funding the cities are going to burn this summer, which they are likely to do anyway.

I also like Trump's plan to have the drug companies compete on price. OH, HOW I LOVE THAT ONE.

Yeah, Trump is starting to look like he plans to keep at least some of his promises. Then again, he is appointing another RINO TURD, Perdue to service Con Agra and Archer Daniel Midland corporate agriculture.
 

Bob1313

Membership Revoked
PBS is gone. Commerce, Energy, State etc can take some damn near extinction level cuts in my opinion. NO MORE REFUGEE FUNDING FOR STARTERS.

This little gem right here is damn near Orgasmic, this has needed to happen for so damn long, God this is ****ing fantastic !!!
Now if we could just return all the worthless low IQ Skinnies that Ovomit has imported
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
Unfortunately, one of the things Obama has been doing since the election, and most of 2016, is pump up the refugee pipeline in terms of total numbers. He has also stuffed the refugee pipeline as full as he can get it right up till the 20th. I'm not sure what Trump can do about all the "refugees" that are "in the system" as of 11:59 am EST the 20th. It will take some time, several months? to S%%%^ them out the system, even if Trump doesn't take a single new refugee after the 20th, there will still be thousands of them to process.

It will take months to digest the refugee horde Obama has in the pipeline. We also have the issue of the tens of thousands who are in Mexico waiting to come over, or who have come over the last 90 days in particular.

Obama has left a real mess for Trump to deal with. Obama did this with malice, intentionally and smirking to the last.
 

Laurane

Canadian Loonie
With all the cuts that everyone is expecting or hoping for, the amount of pushback from those on both sides of the .gov will be enormous.

That is why Trump said that "you will all have to be part of it".......that the movement needed to involve itself.

Not just sit back and wait for "them" to do "it" and complain or praise........but to let your representatives know how you feel and support or oppose them and threaten them, and get others out to rally or rebel.

The people are the ones who have the power, if they take it back.......
 

Be Well

may all be well
if you're involve in the REAL business world - get involved in the very least with the inner workings of gooberment - on ANY level - it will absolutely astound by the waste & BS that wouldn't last 2 seconds in the REAL business world ....

cut 10%???? .... that's not even the outer layer of fat

Don't complain. That's the start, not the end.
 

Be Well

may all be well
as much as I would like to see this happen (except for the increase in defense spending), gutting govt spending is not politically feasible.

Too many special snowflakes dependent on particular govt freebies (just try removing the mortgage interest deduction and see how many scream
- and thats
just one of THOUSANDS of such programs).

The days of kowtowing to special interests and snowflakes is Over. Over. It's a Trumpnami.
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
IT'S DOABLE IN THE FIRST 100 DAYS

It is very doable, assuming Trump uses some political savvy. As long as Trump leaves SS alone, Medicare alone, keeps up the interest payments, cuts only the fraud, illegals getting government benefits, this IS A VERY DOABLE SPENDING CUT PLAN.

Yes, there will be a horde of lobbyists etc attacking him. Trump has momentum. Trump has the clout, the political chops to make this happen the first 100 days. I'm sorry, but other than some Snowflakes nobody gives a F#%%% about PBS, or NPR, or a lot of other government programs, even some big ones like State, or Commerce, or Education. If you go after them, you can save TENS OF BILLIONS, HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN ONE FELL SWOOP.

yeah, it is going to be the economic version of Stalingrad, right down to the bayonets in the trenches. Did anybody think otherwise? If so, seek mental health counselling IMMEDIATELY!:ld:
 

Be Well

may all be well
We don't know that yet. The tide seems to be rising, but the wave isn't quite here.

Remember when your tagline quoted me? :-) Something like "He will win"? Well, I'm sure I'm right about this, too. It's Trumpnami, and regardless of what anyone wants or wishes or dreams, the economic situation is going to necessitate massive cuts anyway, and Trump will do it the best way possible.
 
Remember when your tagline quoted me? :-) Something like "He will win"? Well, I'm sure I'm right about this, too. It's Trumpnami, and regardless of what anyone wants or wishes or dreams, the economic situation is going to necessitate massive cuts anyway, and Trump will do it the best way possible.

Don't get me wrong, I'm hoping for the best. But the fact of the matter is he's an unknown quantity in this particular sphere of life, that's all. I like him overall but I know he's got one hell of a hill to climb and it seems everyone has their foot out to try and trip him on the way up. I'm just not going all in quite yet. June, July, August? Maybe, if he can make it happen.

Gotta be better than Hillary.
 

Sub-Zero

Veteran Member
If you leave SS, Medicare, Defense and the Interest payment alone, that is roughly 2 to 2.5 Trillion in fixed spending. Trump sounds like he is going to make some deep cuts in pretyy much the discretion federal spending.

Don't bet on it; there's room there, too.

Work on administration costs.

Eliminate illegal laborers and you reduce entitlement spending (food, medical and housing) and HUD and Dept of Ed costs. Get control of the border and some of this will be self-correcting.
 

Old Gray Mare

TB Fanatic
The only way this works is if the career politicians are afraid of being voted out of office if they become obstacle to his reform effort. Historically fear of reprisal from the governed makes for better governance.
 

Be Well

may all be well
Don't get me wrong, I'm hoping for the best. But the fact of the matter is he's an unknown quantity in this particular sphere of life, that's all. I like him overall but I know he's got one hell of a hill to climb and it seems everyone has their foot out to try and trip him on the way up. I'm just not going all in quite yet. June, July, August? Maybe, if he can make it happen.

Gotta be better than Hillary.

In my view, he's proven so far to be way beyond my best expectations. And increasingly so. IMHO and from what I read/hear, once's he sworn in it's going to be pedal to the metal/Shock and Awe time. Put on seatbelts, seat in upright position, and lock the tray please.
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
Sounds Great.

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Flippper

Time Traveler
With all the cuts that everyone is expecting or hoping for, the amount of pushback from those on both sides of the .gov will be enormous.

That is why Trump said that "you will all have to be part of it".......that the movement needed to involve itself.

Not just sit back and wait for "them" to do "it" and complain or praise........but to let your representatives know how you feel and support or oppose them and threaten them, and get others out to rally or rebel.

The people are the ones who have the power, if they take it back.......
Spot on-the People showed that they are ready to take that power back by electing Trump, who's campaign promises spoke to them.

If any of the elected asshats try to stop him, the People need to deluge their offices with letters explaining how they will work tirelessly to ensure they are removed from office at earliest convenience. They try to stop Americans from contacting them by putting up roadblocks to their email service-several years ago I tried writing a congressman across the country and his service would not allow it unless I could provide an address within his district. SCUM. I'd like to see that change, but it's considered low priority, I'm sure. I got around it by finding out what his phone number was and finding an address nearby to use.

Trump needs to bring up government perks, definitely drop retirement pay, ESPECIALLY for dc politicians, that crap has to stop.
 

kochevnik

Senior Member
Again - a nice idea - but to pull this off, outside of the big 3 (SS, the department of Offense, and Medicare) Trump has to cut 50% of the
remaining govt.

Outside of nuclear war time, that's never going to happen (as much as I WANT it to).

If you watch Trump tho, he ALWAYS starts out from an outrageous position and then 'negotiates'.
He said 10 to 20 percent of the workforce thru attrition - definitely doable over the next 8 years as boomers retire.

But that is no where close to $1 trillion in spending cuts per year.

Gonna be fun to watch tho :)
 

Krayola

Veteran Member
Too many special snowflakes dependent on particular govt freebies (just try removing the mortgage interest deduction and see how many scream - and thats
just one of THOUSANDS of such programs).
I disagree with your assessment above. A taxpayer (emphasis on the word "payer") who uses the mortgage interest deduction is simply using that as a tool in order to keep the govt from taking more of his money that he earned.

Now as to whether or not that deduction needs to be eliminated or not, that may or may not be needed. But I disagree with your characterization of people using that deduction as "special snowflakes dependent on particular govt freebies." I am perplexed that you feel that keeping one's hard earned money is the same as receiving a freebie from the govt. It is not the govt's money. The govt did not earn it. People are entitled to keep what they earn.
 
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