Trump open to Amnesty
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What I heard was that it was for dreamers, who could apply for citizenship. All others could apply for work permits that would allow them to stay and work, but not become citizens without going back to their country and doing it the right way. Guess we will have to wait and see.
sunny225
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Bullshit! NO amnesty, NO illegals going to the head of the line for immigration!
He knows what he got elected to do. So far all I'm seeing & hearing are other things that he is working on. Supposedly.
Putting Hillary behind bars was job one. Building the wall & getting rid of illegals was at the same level as imprisoning the beast. He'd best get on it.
He knows what he got elected to do. So far all I'm seeing & hearing are other things that he is working on. Supposedly.
Putting Hillary behind bars was job one. Building the wall & getting rid of illegals was at the same level as imprisoning the beast. He'd best get on it.
In his address, Trump is touting a merit-based immigration policy. I suspect that's where his "amnesty" will be derived from. If i had to guess, the new policy would go: everyone will have to meet the requirements, but those already here will be permitted to do so without leaving. However, those who can't meet the requirements will be shown the door. This means that a few of those currently illegally here will be able to stay, but the vast majority just don't have enough to offer to meet the standard. All the leechers and takers will be out, kids and all. Only those with degrees, valuable skills, and/or the capacity to invest will be exempt from the deportation process.
Be Well
may all be well
Sounds good.
willowlady
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As often stated prior to his election, I for one never expected him to try to deport all illegals. There are too many. Think about it. Notwithstanding all the whining media, how many exactly have been deported thus far under Trump? He's been in office about a month. And how long exactly would he have to stay in office to deport all "11 million*" illegals? I'm guessing he's deported about 400 so far. If that happens each and every month of an eight year presidency, that's 1.3 million deported, far short of "all the illegals."
What I DO expect him to accomplish regarding the illegals is:
1. Build the Wall PDQ
2. Deport the criminals (even that will be a lengthy and contentious process)
3. Design a process for those who have been here many years AND have been law-abiding, productive residents so that they may eventually become citizens.
4. Cut off ALL government benefits to non-citizens.
5. End birthright citizenship
Methinks that pretty well covers it, but I've probably left other needful things out.
*I think there are many times that 11 million illegals number here. That's the number that the lamestream media constantly touts and has for TEN years.
What I DO expect him to accomplish regarding the illegals is:
1. Build the Wall PDQ
2. Deport the criminals (even that will be a lengthy and contentious process)
3. Design a process for those who have been here many years AND have been law-abiding, productive residents so that they may eventually become citizens.
4. Cut off ALL government benefits to non-citizens.
5. End birthright citizenship
Methinks that pretty well covers it, but I've probably left other needful things out.
*I think there are many times that 11 million illegals number here. That's the number that the lamestream media constantly touts and has for TEN years.
Texican
Live Free & Die Free.... God Freedom Country....
Bullshit! NO amnesty, NO illegals going to the head of the line for immigration!
He knows what he got elected to do. So far all I'm seeing & hearing are other things that he is working on. Supposedly.
Putting Hillary behind bars was job one. Building the wall & getting rid of illegals was at the same level as imprisoning the beast. He'd best get on it.
^^^^THIS^^^^
President Trump was elected to rid America of the leaching illegal aliens, ALL OF THEM....
President Trump do our job....
Texican....
A Proud Deplorable and Christian American....
Texican
Live Free & Die Free.... God Freedom Country....
President Eisenhower with "Operation Wetback" physically deported 1,500,000 illegals....
The estimate is that another 450,000 illegals self deported....
Start rounding up all of the illegals and many will leave to stay out of the system....
Get rid of all of the illegals....
Texican....
Canada does the merit system if you don't count their crazy refugee program.
You get points for speaking and reading English and French.
You get points for college degrees or other in demand skills.
The US should revamp our whole policy to scrap the lottery and quota system we currently use, and allow immigration of people who will actually help our country.
Refugees should be limited to those who will actually share our American values and assimilate into our culture.
Other than that, I support Trump's idea to provide safe space in other countries for refugees such as those in the middle east or Africa and use rich Arab countries to fund the operation.
You get points for speaking and reading English and French.
You get points for college degrees or other in demand skills.
The US should revamp our whole policy to scrap the lottery and quota system we currently use, and allow immigration of people who will actually help our country.
Refugees should be limited to those who will actually share our American values and assimilate into our culture.
Other than that, I support Trump's idea to provide safe space in other countries for refugees such as those in the middle east or Africa and use rich Arab countries to fund the operation.
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If Trump does give amnesty to some groups of illegals, the conditions should be no welfare ever, no voting ever, no crimes since entering this country, fluent in English, and no citizenship ever, unless they go to the back of their country's immigration line.
Oh, and a low dollar limit on what they can send back to their country.
If they have received welfare ever, they're gone.
Oh, and a low dollar limit on what they can send back to their country.
If they have received welfare ever, they're gone.
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Carl2
Pass it forward...
Also, as I recall, Eisenhower had the illegals placed on ships and they were put ashore in southern Mexico on the beach. An idea that has merit.
Lavender
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Strong enforcement not enough. Trump urges Congress to stop harming American workers through legal immigration policies.
Published:
Tue, Feb 28th 2017 @ 11:22 pm EST by Roy Beck
https://www.numbersusa.com/blog/con...uggling-workers-back-immigration-center-stage
For five weeks, the new Administration's enforcement actions have kept immigration constantly in the news. But with barely a nod to why this might be good for American workers.
And the White House bully pulpit has been quiet in terms of repeating Donald Trump's campaign promises to rescue vulnerable American workers from the harm of a reckless legal immigration system.
That changed tonight with Pres. Trump's address to a joint session of Congress.
Here's the statement I put out to the news media:
“
We were thrilled to hear the President once again place struggling American workers at center stage in the rationale for strong immigration enforcement.
"The best news for workers was the President's insistence that legal immigration must be reformed so it will stop depressing wages.
"The President's promise that immigration policies must be merit-based and guided by the principle of improving jobs and wages for Americans provides the tacit endorsement for passing Sen. Tom Cotton's RAISE Act (S. 354), which would eliminate visa categories not based on merit that bring in hundreds of thousands a year."
I have been worrying that Mr. Trump is going to abandon his constant campaign promise to make immigration policy serve the interests of the American worker?
But then deep in his speech to Congress, he said:
“
Protecting our workers also means reforming our system of legal immigration. The current, outdated system depresses wages for our poorest workers, and puts great pressure on taxpayers."
I'm not sure that sentiment has been expressed by a President in the Capitol at any time over the last 90 years -- if ever. Oh, some Presidents have given a little bit of lip service at times to the fact that illegal immigration can be unfair to American workers. But this was ground-breaking to say legal immigration is a threat to workers.
So, I want to savor that special moment for a minute here. I've been quoted fairly widely in news media the last week or so criticizing the President both for some things he has done and for things he hasn't done. His speech tonight put him back on the immigration policy track that I think was the one that brought him to the White House.
Pres. Trump also tied reckless immigration policies to unfairness to taxpayers as he spoke against what is often called "importing poverty":
“
Nations around the world, like Canada, Australia and many others have a merit-based immigration system. It is a basic principle that those seeking to enter a country ought to be able to support themselves financially.
"Yet, in America, we do not enforce this rule, straining the very public resources that our poorest citizens rely upon. According to the National Academy of Sciences, our current immigration system costs America's taxpayers many billions of dollars a year.
"Switching away from this current system of lower-skilled immigration, and instead adopting a merit-based system, will have many benefits: it will save countless dollars, raise workers' wages, and help struggling families --- including immigrant families --- enter the middle class.
"I believe that real and positive immigration reform is possible, as long as we focus on the following goals: to improve jobs and wages for Americans, to strengthen our nation's security, and to restore respect for our laws.
"If we are guided by the well-being of American citizens then I believe Republicans and Democrats can work together to achieve an outcome that has eluded our country for decades."
We will need to watch carefully to ensure that the Trump people don't come up with a plan that just ensures that immigrants can pay their own way. There still are far more people who can do that than would be good for the American worker.
A merit-based system alone won't solve our problems, either. That could just shift the unfairness from less-skilled American workers to higher-skilled American workers.
In the end, any reform that does not dramatically reduce annual legal immigration numbers cannot achieve the lofty goals Mr. Trump set out for improving jobs and wages for Americans.
The 8 million of us who are connected to NumbersUSA must mobilize to push Congress to pass Sen. Cotton's RAISE Act which would go a long way toward reforming our legal immigration system according to the principles set out last night by Pres. Trump.
He also made it much clearer why it is so important to enforce immigration laws:
By finally enforcing our immigration laws, we will raise wages, help the unemployed, save billions of dollars, and make our communities safer for everyone. We want all Americans to succeed --- but that can't happen in an environment of lawless chaos. We must restore integrity and the rule of law to our borders.
“
"For that reason, we will soon begin the construction of a great wall along our southern border. It will be started ahead of schedule and, when finished, it will be a very effective weapon against drugs and crime.
"As we speak, we are removing gang members, drug dealers and criminals that threaten our communities and prey on our citizens. Bad ones are going out as I speak tonight and as I have promised.
"To any in Congress who do not believe we should enforce our laws, I would ask you this question: What would you say to the American family that loses their jobs, their income, or a loved one, because America refused to uphold its laws and defend its borders?
"Our obligation is to serve, protect, and defend the citizens of the United States."
Those are mighty fine principles. This is a good start, Mr. President. We stand ready to help you turn those words into laws.
ROY BECK is Founder & President of NumbersUSA
Updated: Wed, Mar 1st 2017 @ 9:51am EST
Published:
Tue, Feb 28th 2017 @ 11:22 pm EST by Roy Beck
https://www.numbersusa.com/blog/con...uggling-workers-back-immigration-center-stage
For five weeks, the new Administration's enforcement actions have kept immigration constantly in the news. But with barely a nod to why this might be good for American workers.
And the White House bully pulpit has been quiet in terms of repeating Donald Trump's campaign promises to rescue vulnerable American workers from the harm of a reckless legal immigration system.
That changed tonight with Pres. Trump's address to a joint session of Congress.
Here's the statement I put out to the news media:
“
We were thrilled to hear the President once again place struggling American workers at center stage in the rationale for strong immigration enforcement.
"The best news for workers was the President's insistence that legal immigration must be reformed so it will stop depressing wages.
"The President's promise that immigration policies must be merit-based and guided by the principle of improving jobs and wages for Americans provides the tacit endorsement for passing Sen. Tom Cotton's RAISE Act (S. 354), which would eliminate visa categories not based on merit that bring in hundreds of thousands a year."
I have been worrying that Mr. Trump is going to abandon his constant campaign promise to make immigration policy serve the interests of the American worker?
But then deep in his speech to Congress, he said:
“
Protecting our workers also means reforming our system of legal immigration. The current, outdated system depresses wages for our poorest workers, and puts great pressure on taxpayers."
I'm not sure that sentiment has been expressed by a President in the Capitol at any time over the last 90 years -- if ever. Oh, some Presidents have given a little bit of lip service at times to the fact that illegal immigration can be unfair to American workers. But this was ground-breaking to say legal immigration is a threat to workers.
So, I want to savor that special moment for a minute here. I've been quoted fairly widely in news media the last week or so criticizing the President both for some things he has done and for things he hasn't done. His speech tonight put him back on the immigration policy track that I think was the one that brought him to the White House.
Pres. Trump also tied reckless immigration policies to unfairness to taxpayers as he spoke against what is often called "importing poverty":
“
Nations around the world, like Canada, Australia and many others have a merit-based immigration system. It is a basic principle that those seeking to enter a country ought to be able to support themselves financially.
"Yet, in America, we do not enforce this rule, straining the very public resources that our poorest citizens rely upon. According to the National Academy of Sciences, our current immigration system costs America's taxpayers many billions of dollars a year.
"Switching away from this current system of lower-skilled immigration, and instead adopting a merit-based system, will have many benefits: it will save countless dollars, raise workers' wages, and help struggling families --- including immigrant families --- enter the middle class.
"I believe that real and positive immigration reform is possible, as long as we focus on the following goals: to improve jobs and wages for Americans, to strengthen our nation's security, and to restore respect for our laws.
"If we are guided by the well-being of American citizens then I believe Republicans and Democrats can work together to achieve an outcome that has eluded our country for decades."
We will need to watch carefully to ensure that the Trump people don't come up with a plan that just ensures that immigrants can pay their own way. There still are far more people who can do that than would be good for the American worker.
A merit-based system alone won't solve our problems, either. That could just shift the unfairness from less-skilled American workers to higher-skilled American workers.
In the end, any reform that does not dramatically reduce annual legal immigration numbers cannot achieve the lofty goals Mr. Trump set out for improving jobs and wages for Americans.
The 8 million of us who are connected to NumbersUSA must mobilize to push Congress to pass Sen. Cotton's RAISE Act which would go a long way toward reforming our legal immigration system according to the principles set out last night by Pres. Trump.
He also made it much clearer why it is so important to enforce immigration laws:
By finally enforcing our immigration laws, we will raise wages, help the unemployed, save billions of dollars, and make our communities safer for everyone. We want all Americans to succeed --- but that can't happen in an environment of lawless chaos. We must restore integrity and the rule of law to our borders.
“
"For that reason, we will soon begin the construction of a great wall along our southern border. It will be started ahead of schedule and, when finished, it will be a very effective weapon against drugs and crime.
"As we speak, we are removing gang members, drug dealers and criminals that threaten our communities and prey on our citizens. Bad ones are going out as I speak tonight and as I have promised.
"To any in Congress who do not believe we should enforce our laws, I would ask you this question: What would you say to the American family that loses their jobs, their income, or a loved one, because America refused to uphold its laws and defend its borders?
"Our obligation is to serve, protect, and defend the citizens of the United States."
Those are mighty fine principles. This is a good start, Mr. President. We stand ready to help you turn those words into laws.
ROY BECK is Founder & President of NumbersUSA
Updated: Wed, Mar 1st 2017 @ 9:51am EST
canis-major
Who?
It's all part of "the deal". Compromise is how dialogue gets started. Trump comes out as seeming to soften on immigration, turns to the left and says "I've softened here and here, what are you willing to give on?"
The left cannot and will not yield any ground on immigration, and thus Trump can show just how many Guv reps are not playing the game to MAGA, and use the reliable media to say names and let everybody know that the mid-term elections aren't that far away, to get out there and vote in who will get things done, and s@%t-can those who will not.
The left cannot and will not yield any ground on immigration, and thus Trump can show just how many Guv reps are not playing the game to MAGA, and use the reliable media to say names and let everybody know that the mid-term elections aren't that far away, to get out there and vote in who will get things done, and s@%t-can those who will not.