CHAT Top 10 most successful communist countries

Doc1

Doc1

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Nice video, but I'd like to elaborate on it a bit. I've studied these things rather extensively over the decades and can safely point out that the "most successful" communist countries are those that adopted the most capitalist and free market economies.

Communist China? They are communist in name only, but most of their economy - and the strongest parts - are essentially capitalist and free market. The country is essentially a thuggish dictatorship taking its sustenance from its capitalist and free market economy. In theoretical economic terms, there is very little "communist" about China, except for its totalitarian nature.

Interestingly - and sadly - the United States has been becoming more and more "communist" and totalitarian over the decades. We have correspondingly witnessed a declining economy. Coincidence? Though most people never think about it or are unaware of it, or economy would be much, much weaker if not for our ongoing Federal deficit spending and the incredible - and unsustainable - national debt.

The unsustainable nature of our economy is going to manifest itself in a spectacular and horrific collapse in the relatively near future.

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progressingamerica

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Doc1 said:
Nice video, but I'd like to elaborate on it a bit. I've studied these things rather extensively over the decades and can safely point out that the "most successful" communist countries are those that adopted the most capitalist and free market economies.

Communist China? They are communist in name only, but most of their economy - and the strongest parts - are essentially capitalist and free market. The country is essentially a thuggish dictatorship taking its sustenance from its capitalist and free market economy. In theoretical economic terms, there is very little "communist" about China, except for its totalitarian nature.

Interestingly - and sadly - the United States has been becoming more and more "communist" and totalitarian over the decades. We have correspondingly witnessed a declining economy. Coincidence? Though most people never think about it or are unaware of it, or economy would be much, much weaker if not for our ongoing Federal deficit spending and the incredible - and unsustainable - national debt.

The unsustainable nature of our economy is going to manifest itself in a spectacular and horrific collapse in the relatively near future.

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Doc
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China never adopted free markets. They adopted economic fascism.

All corporations (at least the domestic ones. See Huawei.) are a part of the state, answerable to the state, and the state is ultimate sovereign.

"All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state." ~ Mussolini

Many writers enjoy using the phrase "state capitalism" to try to cast their preferred light, but that's nothing more than re-hashed mercantilism.
 
BadMedicine

BadMedicine

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Doc1 said:
Nice video, but I'd like to elaborate on it a bit. I've studied these things rather extensively over the decades and can safely point out that the "most successful" communist countries are those that adopted the most capitalist and free market economies.

Communist China? They are communist in name only, but most of their economy - and the strongest parts - are essentially capitalist and free market. The country is essentially a thuggish dictatorship taking its sustenance from its capitalist and free market economy. In theoretical economic terms, there is very little "communist" about China, except for its totalitarian nature.
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Great point, but "yes and no" about chinas communism. Yes the ECONOMY is LARGELY capitalisitic in function, at the lower and mid levels,

-HOW SO EVER-
The CCP Chinese Communist Party control EVERYTHING at the "levers of power" meaning if you are in a medium or large business, your board is infiltrated, kickbacks and bribes are common and advancement or change of profession is very limited. So you can be running a great business, employing thousands of Chinese making good middle-class money (average pay is 25 cents AN HOUR.... so middle class money is like... I dunno, not much.)... and then just be disappeared.

So while low level nuts and bolts, very capitalist LOOKING.... at any time the CCP-belonging chief of police can come rape your daughter, the safe, burn the place down, and lets just say there will be no letter of reprimand in his file.... and of course, all of this is on a case by case basis so yes, "Thuggery" is basically the best description of how mid to high level "government" works in communism. The communist part is examplified in the lack of rule of law for anyone very high up in the ruling party.
 
Dobbin

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
BadMedicine said:
So while low level nuts and bolts, very capitalist LOOKING.... at any time the CCP-belonging chief of police can come rape your daughter, the safe, burn the place down, and lets just say there will be no letter of reprimand in his file.... and of course, all of this is on a case by case basis so yes, "Thuggery" is basically the best description of how mid to high level "government" works in communism. The communist part is examplified in the lack of rule of law for anyone very high up in the ruling party.
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Imagine La Cosa Nostra given the power of the state. No repercussions. No law except what the local mob boss says there is.

And for the comrades outside of "connection" - your only measure and means of survival is "how valuable are you to the state."

In a way it's very similar to a feudal state. King at the top, lords, useful vassals and fiefs (structured according to value to the king), serfs (workers) at the bottom.

Good write up at Feudalism - Wikipedia which includes the role of religion and finance.

Dobbin
 
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