The Ron Paul Effect: How the GOP Threw the Election By Disenfranchising Ron Paul Supporter

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By disenfranchising Ron Paul supporters, Mitt Romney won the primary but lost the election.

New analysis reveals that in no less than five states, Romney’s margin of loss to President Obama in the general election was less than the number of votes received by Ron Paul in that state’s primary.

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In Florida, for example, Obama defeated Romney by 46,000 votes; meanwhile, Ron Paul received over 117,000 votes in the primary. If only 40% of these Ron Paul Republicans stayed home on Election Day, it would have been enough to cost Romney the state and its 29 electoral votes.

A similar case can be made for Connecticut, New Hampshire, Ohio, and Virginia. Along with Florida, these five states account for a whopping 71 Electoral College votes. Remember that Obama earned 332 electoral votes compared to Romney’s 206. Had Romney won these five states, they would have been sufficient to give him a narrow 277-261 victory over the President.

Admittedly, the number of Paul votes and Romney’s loss margin are closer in the other four states than they are in Florida. In New Hampshire, 71% of Paul votes are needed to make up the margin, while in Ohio and Virginia, that number is closer to 95%.

The picture becomes clearer, however, when we remember that the number of Paul primary votes is almost certainly an underestimate of the number of Paul supporters in a given state. Given the reluctance of many socially liberal, fiscally conservative Ron Paul supporters to participate in a Republican primary, analysts have estimated a multiplier of at least threefold in closed primary states.

What does this mean? Given two conservative assumptions – that the number of Paul supporters in these five states is at least double the number of Paul primary votes, and that 40% of these Paul voters stayed home on Election Day – we have a strong case for stating that Mitt Romney would have won the election had he earned the votes of these Ron Paul supporters.

When Ron Paul went to the Republican National Convention in August, he brought with him the youngest delegation in the history of the Republican Party.

How were they welcomed? When they arrived, their signs were confiscated and torn up before their eyes. The Maine delegation was summarily unseated and sent home because they contained too many Paul supporters. At the last minute, the Rules Committee changed the ballot access requirement from five states to eight states to prevent Ron Paul’s name from being entered into nomination. They even prevented his name from being mentioned from the podium!

The establishment’s abominable treatment of Ron Paul supporters at the RNC was only the culmination of a corrupt and shameful primary season. In Louisiana, Ron Paul delegates were arrested when it became clear that they were in the majority at the state convention. In Arizona, desperate party bosses turned off the lights at the state convention to prevent Ron Paul supporters from being elected to a party position. In both Maine and Nevada, Romney campaign officials were caught distributing fake delegate slates. In Missouri, police were called to shut down the St. Charles caucus when a Ron Paul victory appeared imminent.

“It’s a shame the party hasn’t been more welcoming of these young people,” confessed a Romney delegate to me at the RNC.

In Mitt Romney’s crushing defeat at the hands of President Obama, it appears the Republican Party’s chickens may finally have come home to roost. Instead of welcoming the passion and dedication of the Ron Paul movement, the party chose to alienate an entire generation of young Republicans, scorning the sensible message of limited government and non-interventionist foreign policy.

As Republicans nationwide prepare themselves for four more years of President Obama, they would do well to ask themselves what they might have done differently. One can only wonder whether the party will learn the lessons of 2012 in time for the election of 2016.
 

Kathy in FL

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The problem with that logic is that most of those that said they were voting for Dr. Paul would have never voted for Romney. It is that regardless of who was running the 3rd party voters made their choice and that effects everyone. And no, Dr. Paul, given those stats would never have beat O because just as much as Dr. Paul supporters said they would never vote for R (or anyone else acccording to most of them) people that did not vote for Dr. Paul in the beginning would have been just as unlikely to vote for him if he had actually made it to the main presidential race.

So yes, the 3rd party voters/Dr. Paul devotees destroyed the chance of a victory in several states ... but they never would have supported anyone but a 3rd party/Dr. Paul as a candidate anyway apparently.

Next elections in 2014 I wonder if people will still be citing the Dr. Paul thing just like the lib/progs continue to blame Bush?
 

fairbanksb

Freedom Isn't Free
I am tired of the whining. Everybody didn't vote for Ron Paul so I'm just not going to vote. Get over it. The fact is that in every one of those primaries Romney won. Romney was the choice of the majority of voters therefore he was the party nominee. Paul lost in the primaries and that was that.
 

Shinmen Takezo

Membership Revoked
I think all the clowns out there and in here should look at that graph in the OP.
You blew him completely off--and it ****ed you in the blow-back.

Hope you like what you get now.
Romney could'a took Paul under his wing and adopted the core message from Paul

But the faggot from Mass was an idiot.
 

fairbanksb

Freedom Isn't Free
I think all the clowns out there and in here should look at that graph in the OP.
You blew him completely off--and it ****ed you in the blow-back.

Hope you like what you get now.
Romney could'a took Paul under his wing and adopted the core message from Paul

But the faggot from Mass was an idiot.

Bull carp. He disenfranchised himself by running as a Republican. He could have run as a Libertarian and garnered every one of those votes in the primary. I voted for him in the primary but he lost.
 

Jeff Allen

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I think all the clowns out there and in here should look at that graph in the OP.
You blew him completely off--and it ****ed you in the blow-back.

Hope you like what you get now.
Romney could'a took Paul under his wing and adopted the core message from Paul

But the faggot from Mass was an idiot.

I think you nailed it.

I'm one of those "disenfranchised"...I wouldn't have voted for r if hitler was on the other side (oh, my bad, he WAS)...

So many evangelicals out there pretend they are for liberty, but no way, no how is that the case (try buying liquor on the 1st day of the week, you know, SUNDAY...good luck!).

So, because some in the r party refuse liberty....guys like me head away, sorry...hey, I'm a socialist like y'all...but I can't go that far.

J
 

Sebastian

Sebastian
I think all the clowns out there and in here should look at that graph in the OP.
You blew him completely off--and it ****ed you in the blow-back.

Hope you like what you get now.
Romney could'a took Paul under his wing and adopted the core message from Paul

But the faggot from Mass was an idiot.

Your right of course but these guys DGI
 

junerage

Contributing Member
Please its all a dog and pony show. TPTB wanted Obama again. If they let Ron Paul join the game it might have ruined their fun.
 

fairbanksb

Freedom Isn't Free
Your right of course but these guys DGI

How can he be right when he got so few votes? If main line conservatives agreed with his positions he would have gotten more votes than Romney and he would have been the nominee. Get It
 

TerryK

TB Fanatic
All the Ron Paul supporters were bragging how they would impact the election and would rather Obama be elected than Romney.
Jeesh, stop whining and man up. Be proud of your actions. Say "I did that", next time you see Obma smirk at you.

One half of one percent, laugh and joke all you want, but don't try and weasel out of it by saying "well if the other 99.5% would have only changed and agreed with the .5%, Obama wouldn't have won" How stupid.

Obama won because there are more leeches in this country than not and some of you are too stupid to realize that. Instead you are still having wet dreams about about revenge because Ron Paul supporters were dissed. Grow up. The fate of this country is bigger than you or your feelings.
 

Digital Omnivore

Veteran Member
All the Ron Paul supporters were bragging how they would impact the election and would rather Obama be elected than Romney.

Really? All of them said that? Or are you just mindlessly attributing something a few of them said to the whole group?

I'm really surprised how ignorant many people here are of the Ron Paul movement. About half of them are simply paleoconservatives or libertarian leaning Republicans that likely ended up voting for Mitt. I'm not pulling that number out of my ass either, that's from observations on the ground at RP events, as well as on some of the grassroots RP websites.

Are there some really pissed off RP supporters who voted 3rd party in swing states? Probably. If you want to lay blame for that, don't blame them, blame the Republican party for acting like idiots towards them. Clearly some of them (mostly the young ones) can't be won over, but plenty of them could if mainstream republicans (and their idiotic foot soldiers in forums like this one) had any sense.

There is a lot of finger pointing after the Romney loss. Conservatives want to blame libertarians, moderates, "Leeches", etc. Moderates blame Conservatives, or white people. It's amusing how the media always gets Republicans to go through this after an election...You didn't see democrats doing the same after Kerry lost in 2004.

Obama's recipe for winning in 2008 should be the Republicans strategy. Get higher turnout among your coalition which includes libertarians. Trying to win over some part of the democratic base will be a losing effort. Go fishing where the fish are.
 

TerryK

TB Fanatic
DO is the word ALL, all you are concerned about?
I was talking about conversations on this forum, but if it makes you happier we can change it to many.
RP posters on this board were proclaiming in no uncertain terms that they would rather BO get elected than vote for the lessor of two evils, and that they would either not vote or vote for the libertarian, but we have had that argument hundreds of times before in the last year.
Thousands of RP supporters either voted for Johnson or didn't vote.
I think Johnson got about 40000 votes and there may have been 10000 for others. It starts to add up, but still would probably not change the election result here in FL.

What we're seeing now is a Ron Paul supporter starting a thread proclaiming the Ron Paul effect is responsible for Romney losing or Obama winning.
Then in the same thread that person and OTHER RP supporters start blaiming those who didn't support or who dissed Ron Paul supporters.
It reminds me of a soap opera where the angry guy stabs his girlfriend and then as she's dying he keeps crying "Why did you make me do that?"
Must be that guilt feelings are so high that they want to tranfer it to someone else. It's kind of funny really. Kind of the most extreme strawman argument I've ever seen.

My belief is that we have finally reached the point where there are more moochers and leeches than producers in our country. We all new this point would be reached eventually.
Did third party candidates make their job easier?
Sure they did, but it would have happened anyway.

Obama worked very hard over the last 4 years to insure there were many more leeches than in 2008.
Just wait until 2016. Even if every non leech in the country turns out to vote, producers won't have a chance.
Better find your Galt's Gulch now or at least stop being a producer and blend in with the moochers if you have the stomach for it.
The country if well and truly lost.
 
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Hacker

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Then in the same thread that person and OTHER RP supporters start blaiming those who didn't support or who dissed Ron Paul supporters.

What you don't seem to understand is this: The RNC and the Romney campaign purposely drove RPers and Tea Partiers away from Romney and from the republican party. They did it, not just by 'dissing' the RPers. They did it through downright violation of the rules! Among many rules that were violated, one of the 'new' rules now makes it impossible for a grassroots candidate to get the nomination - from now on, only the big money candidate (i.e., funded by the banksters) can get the republican nomination.

Further, Romney declared he would expand ME wars and expand spending.

You really seem to not understand RP supporters. So let me brief you: RP supporters have integrity and principles; and they don't compromise. To those who have a flexible moral compass, our inflexibility really sucks - too bad.

The GOP can't win without us; so they better get on board or see their precious GOP shrivel up and die.
 

TerryK

TB Fanatic
What you don't seem to understand is this: The RNC and the Romney campaign purposely drove RPers and Tea Partiers away from Romney and from the republican party. They did it, not just by 'dissing' the RPers. They did it through downright violation of the rules! Among many rules that were violated, one of the 'new' rules now makes it impossible for a grassroots candidate to get the nomination - from now on, only the big money candidate (i.e., funded by the banksters) can get the republican nomination.

Further, Romney declared he would expand ME wars and expand spending.

You really seem to not understand RP supporters. So let me brief you: RP supporters have integrity and principles; and they don't compromise. To those who have a flexible moral compass, our inflexibility really sucks - too bad.

The GOP can't win without us; so they better get on board or see their precious GOP shrivel up and die.

Surely this can't be your first hard fought convention. Politics is a rough sport. RP supporters also did a lot of bending the rules in the caucus states too and yes a lot of Repubs here bitched about it. Thats life. You can either sit in the corner and cry about it for 4 years or you get on with life.
As I said before, we can either sit around and argue about who missed the tackle while the opposing team is fixing to drop a bunker buster on the country, or we can set about getting ready for the end of a once great country, where freedom was taken too much for granted once to often.

Now, like it or not, for worse or worst, we are stuck with Obama who is going to try and complete his agenda. He will be a lot braver now that he does not have to worry about another election. We will now see the real Obama administration.

I'm betting that in less than a year we will see cases of people setting themselves on fire in public out of frustration.
 

diamonds

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RP loves to use the phrase----"the blow back" effect... Personally I wanted anyone but the niggar-and yes I refuse to call him anything else now....

Personally I will never help another person... I will not do a Christmas family this year... I will not hire anyone... Just stick a fork in me---I am disgusted and done worrying about my fellow mankind.. I will shore up my life and preps.. The rest of the world can rot in hell...
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
RP loves to use the phrase----"the blow back" effect... Personally I wanted anyone but the niggar-and yes I refuse to call him anything else now....

Personally I will never help another person... I will not do a Christmas family this year... I will not hire anyone... Just stick a fork in me---I am disgusted and done worrying about my fellow mankind.. I will shore up my life and preps.. The rest of the world can rot in hell...

And ma'am, being deeply involved in a community kids Christmas charity project/outreach I will spend what little personal prayer capital I have (I am hardly a great pray-er...and I most asuredly have amassed not a lot of prayer capital) that your heart would be softened, and that SOME family might be blessed by that softeneing so that they would come to know the Lord's mercy and love through it.
If I couldn't look at what I do through the prism of the Lord's love and compassion, I wouldn't be able to do what I am doing with my church. Period. Even with periodic uncouplings, like this evening. I wouldn't be able to handle the families that truly will be appreciative of our work. I can deal with the gibsmedats...just need the "Pamts on fore" check box on the registration form.
I pray that your heart would be softened, not so much for the benefit if some family who REALLY would be blessed, but for YOU...that you will be eased and will bless with your self.
 

JF&P

Deceased
What's the truth?

The Truth is, that Ron Paul could have never won the election.

Too many sheeple now days...why do you think O won????

Or, on top of that, the vote was manipulated.
 

Old Gray Mare

TB Fanatic
The truth is that Ron Paul supporters not voting for Romney is IMHO a valid, legal form of protest against the GOP. The cowardly act of not putting Ron Paul on the ticket at the Convention exposed the corruptness of the RNC. They were obviously so terrified of Ron Paul and the truly American beliefs he stands for that they scurried like rats to change their own rules, rather than give him the recognition and air time his Republican voters had elected him to represent at the Convention. The RNC disenfranchise all those members of the Republican Party and then actually expected them to vote for their pin up boy? I don't think so.

Short of Romney dropping dead his supporters knew he had no chance of Ron Paul getting on the ticket in November. However, and by the rules before they were changed, he should have been accorded the right to represent his constituents.
 
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Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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ANYONE who says "There is no way Ron Paul could have won" has bought into the MSM meme that was disseminated to the sheep on the orders of the elites. You people are totally OWNED mentally by them. How does that feel, to be a TOOL of TPTB...?
 

Jubilation T. Cornpone

Veteran Member
ANYONE who says "There is no way Ron Paul could have won" has bought into the MSM meme that was disseminated to the sheep on the orders of the elites. You people are totally OWNED mentally by them. How does that feel, to be a TOOL of TPTB...?

Do you seriously believe that Ron Paul could have won the general election?
 

Norma

Veteran Member
ANYONE who says "There is no way Ron Paul could have won" has bought into the MSM meme that was disseminated to the sheep on the orders of the elites. You people are totally OWNED mentally by them. How does that feel, to be a TOOL of TPTB...?

Dennis, I have to say that I agree with you!

Norma
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Do you seriously believe that Ron Paul could have won the general election?

Maybe, maybe not. But he generated a great deal of excitement among young voters, and his honesty and stance on issues resonated with real conservatives. But - and this is key - he stood AT LEAST as good a chance as Romney.
 

LightEcho

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I am tired of the whining. Everybody didn't vote for Ron Paul so I'm just not going to vote. Get over it. The fact is that in every one of those primaries Romney won. Romney was the choice of the majority of voters therefore he was the party nominee. Paul lost in the primaries and that was that.

NO! The fact is that we saw the Romney campaign steal- literally steal the primaries from Ron Paul. It started in Iowa and the election fraud made it plain to me that I would NEVER vote for a thief like Romney. And don't blame me or anyone else that Romney lost. The next person that blames a Paul supporter or any other flavor for Romeny losing can go suck the poisoned milk of the media teat.
 

Hacker

Computer Hacking Pirate
Do you seriously believe that Ron Paul could have won the general election?

Yes!

And if you believe otherwise, then you watch too much television. And you let television do your thinking for you.

Try turning off the TV for a few months. You'll be amazed how purging TV's hypnotic programming will positively affect your life.
 

Hacker

Computer Hacking Pirate
NO! The fact is that we saw the Romney campaign steal- literally steal the primaries from Ron Paul. It started in Iowa and the election fraud made it plain to me that I would NEVER vote for a thief like Romney. And don't blame me or anyone else that Romney lost. The next person that blames a Paul supporter or any other flavor for Romeny losing can go suck the poisoned milk of the media teat.

+1000
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
I hate to see people who should know better tearing each other up over a stupid political dog and pony show. You should all know better than to act as if this is some kind of football game and your cheering can help your team win.

But you might as well keep it up... won't be long till it doesn't matter anyway.
 

Kathy in FL

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In a fair election? Absolutely.

Even a liberal schmuck like romney could have won in a fair election.

Dr. Paul did not do it to win. Did anyone not listen to the man the entire time? Has no one listened to him at all the entire time he was a politician. He wanted to make some noise but never had any illusions that he would win. His strategy did not place him to win. The fact that he absolutely refused to campaign in certain states made it positively evident that it was a political game and not about winning.

Dr. Paul devotees need to get out from the cliques and talk to people ... really talk ... not to the choice but to those that hang around the door. People here in Florida that might have supported him were deeply disappointed when he refused to campaign in this state after admitting he would never win the electoral college votes here. There were a lot of people disappointed in him overall. If they had not been there would have been a lot more support for him. Dr. Paul ... gotta love him ... but he did not play to win, he played to be seen and that's about all. And that strategy caused a lot of damage and divisiveness to spring up; some for, some against.
 

Doc1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I am not a Republican and have never been one. I have always been registered as an independent. Having said that, I am a conservative, Christian, libertarian. In fact, by many measures, I'm probably more truly conservative than 99% of the republicans you may know. And you Republicans out there need me. Why? Because I have never voted for a Democrat presidential candidate and usually hold my nose and vote for the Republican...even though I think your party is run by mental defectives. If this offends you, take solace in the fact that I think the Dems are evil mental defectives, but they're smarter than you. There are a lot of conservative independents like myself out there and the more you alienate people like me, the fewer of our votes you get.

You didn't get my vote this time around. Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson did. You should know (and do) that you are safe from us voting for the liberals, insofar as people like me are never going to vote for the likes of Obama, but you can't take my vote or support for granted. Your recent history has been one of presenting us with milquetoast candidates who are barely distinguishable from their democratic opponents and then scratching your heads in wonder when we aren't wildly enthusiastic. Like I said, you're stupid and nothing illustrates this better than your most recent campaign.

You were confronted, in the primaries, with an honorable and truly conservative candidate in the form of Dr. Paul. This elderly statesman actually promoted a lot of the things the GOP is supposed to stand for, but let slip by the wayside in the name of misguided political expediency. He also generated a lot of youth support, which is something you stodgy GOP types have never managed. Now, realistically, most of we more mature Paul supporters understood that he didn't really have much of a chance at the nomination...but that wasn't the point. He exposed the country - and especially our youth - to a lot of ideas that you should have been promoting. A smart GOP - but we aren't really expecting that, are we - would've recognized this phenomenon and tried to co-opt it. You know, offer Dr. Paul a substantial cabinet post and publicly laud him for his ideas and his record of service. Uhm, like the smart Obama crew did by holding their noses and including Hillary on their team the last time around. If you'd done that, you could've siphoned a lot of the youth and independent enthusiasm for Dr. Paul and looked like something other than The Stupid Party.

But, nooooo. In classic Stupid Party fashion, you idiots pulled every underhanded, dirty trick in the book against Dr. Paul and alienated a potentially substantial voting bloc for no intelligent reason. People like myself don't like scumbag GOP tactics any more than we like the Democrat variety. So guys like me - in a solidly red state where it didn't make any difference - voted for Johnson instead of your tool. A lot of folks just stayed home. And those kids? Well, I'm afraid a lot of them stayed home, too or even voted for Obama. Kids, more so than old pharts like myself, are more inclined to vote their spite.

So there ya go, GOP. That's my take and I'll sadly watch your death throes over the next four years as you continue to slide into history's ash bin and political irrelevancy. There's a chance you can avoid becoming the next Whig party, but you're going to have to get smart.

I'm not holding my breath.

Best regards
Doc
 

TerryK

TB Fanatic
Now that Ron Paul has retired from politics probably the best thing that could happen is for him to become a recluse and just fade away.
Somewhere along the line the importance of his ideas became secondary to the importance of the man.
Just like Obama gives Chris Mathews a thrill up his leg, Ron Paul engenders orgasmic thrills in his believers to the point that they lose objectivity.
Ron Paul and Obama are alike in that many of their followers become so adoring that the persona of the man overwhelms the philosophy of ideas and two cults are born.

To those that are still pissed because Ron Paul was shut out of the debate at the convention, you should realize, but don't because of your feelings of rejection, that this happens in almost all conventions. When candidates ideologies are close, fences are usually mended and its one big happy family at the convention. When differences are too great, the bitter feelings persist and votes are lost. It really is that simple and it has been happening since the first convention and will continue to happen.

Those who gloat over the effect that that they and other disenfrancised Ron Paul voters had on the election, just reinforce and confirm the idea that it was all about their feelings being hurt and their political beliefs and the welfare of the country were secondary to their feelings.

At the same time, the Republicans who voted for Romney have got to face the reality that despite their hopes and best wishes, he was a RINO, supported by an old and rotted RINO core in the Republican party that unless they can be purged, will result in the same outcome in 2016. The Roves and Cheney's, and now 3rd generation Bushes and Fox News political talking heads need to be told to pack their bags and leave. The Republicans must find their true conservative core or the warnings of the Paul supporters will be true.

I can only hope that those true conservatives who are left in the main body of the Republican party and those among the Ron Paul supporters and other groups of conservatives will eventually get over their hurt and bruised feelings and start thinking with their head and start to build a truly conservative movement to take back this country.
If that doesn't happen, then we can look forward to 2016 and more small fringe groups who will never get more than .5% of the vote and another RINO republican candidate ineffectively running against another full blown socialist backed by a socialist media.
My best guess is that the odds of this cooperation happening and resulting in the rebirth of a truly conservative Republican party for 2016 is probably pretty remote. Although I will work to try and make this happen I am preparing to survive the much more likely decades long slide into an authoritarian socialist form of government that will probably outlive me and most of the people on this forum.
 

TerryK

TB Fanatic

All I can say about people who insist on celebrating and gloating about the tragic outcome of this election is that I hope it is you or one of your family members who ends up pleading helplessly for your life to no avail with an Obamacare committee.
Maybe you can post a cartoon showing how funny it is to be condemned to die because medical treatment was denied because you didn't meet the standards.

The gloating means your feelings are more important than your country and your fellow man.
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
Dr. Paul did not do it to win. Did anyone not listen to the man the entire time? Has no one listened to him at all the entire time he was a politician. He wanted to make some noise but never had any illusions that he would win. His strategy did not place him to win. The fact that he absolutely refused to campaign in certain states made it positively evident that it was a political game and not about winning.

Dr. Paul devotees need to get out from the cliques and talk to people ... really talk ... not to the choice but to those that hang around the door. People here in Florida that might have supported him were deeply disappointed when he refused to campaign in this state after admitting he would never win the electoral college votes here. There were a lot of people disappointed in him overall. If they had not been there would have been a lot more support for him. Dr. Paul ... gotta love him ... but he did not play to win, he played to be seen and that's about all. And that strategy caused a lot of damage and divisiveness to spring up; some for, some against.

Damn! Somebody who is not a Dreaming Sheep. Rather rare on this forum. RP's chance was not 2012, it was 2008, assuming he was interested at all. And I had my doubts then.

In 2008, with an campaign organized under the radar of the GOP PTB he might have pulled it off. By 2012, the GOP PTB were alarmed by the Tea Party so they inoculated themselves against anybody with creative ideas.

But he never organized so I figured he was not serious for the POTUS. And so it proved. However, I think he was serious about getting his ideas out, which I think he could have done in 2008. But 2012 proved too late for reasons stated above.

BTW, about 'stealing' nominations. Taft was the heir apparent in 1952 when Ike came out of the fog and bested him in the primaries just a little, not enough for the nomination. Ike got nominated on the first ballot, Taft was just plain rolled over by the new FDR/New Deal wing of the GOP. Who , until 2004, then went on to win a majority of the POTUS elections after a 20 yr drought. That is a pretty good 50 yr record.

Taft died nine months later. I don't remember if a VP candidate ever got mentioned.
 

LightEcho

Has No Life - Lives on TB
All I can say about people who insist on celebrating and gloating about the tragic outcome of this election is that I hope it is you or one of your family members who ends up pleading helplessly for your life to no avail with an Obamacare committee.
Maybe you can post a cartoon showing how funny it is to be condemned to die because medical treatment was denied because you didn't meet the standards.

The gloating means your feelings are more important than your country and your fellow man.

None of us is gloating or celebrating another Obama regime. We are disgusted by the thought. What you still cannot seem to understand is that Romney is not much better. All Romney would do is slow the decay down so that we can savor the pain. At least with Obama, we get amputation of our limbs before we feel the rotting flesh of gangrene.

Romney bowed to the same masters as Obama. He was no answer for the problems of Amerika.

So those who said Paul was a wasted vote- or was unelectable... I hope you got your thrill with your candidate.

We will see amazing separations and divisions in the months ahead. It will be painfully obvious where the sides are and who is on them. Light from dark, wheat from chaff, sheep from goats. Soon the separation begins. Most have already been sealed. Some will choose light and be as one escaping from a fire. Great darkness makes even small light appear bright. The darkness is about to fall on this world.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Doc, well said! And Terry, you just don't get it, nor will you ever. It's plain that you hate RP and have from the beginning. You don't understand the message OR the man. People like you are the imbeciles who believed the MSM when they were ordered to marginalized Dr. Paul. You supported the dirty tricks and arbitrary rule changing by the RNC. You absolutely CANNOT allow yourself to believe that RP had a significant following and that initially (before the MSM attacks) was either winning primaries outright or placing a strong second.

I will never understand the outright bull-headed stupidity you and those who think like you demonstrated. And there is no other word for it. Politically at least, you and your GOP/Romney believers are drooling morons. I wish there was a different way to say it, but there's not. Morons. Imbeciles. Tools of the elites. AND YOU PERFORM THAT ROLE PROUDLY, which is why those of us who actually see what's going on think so poorly of you. You and your minions are EXACTLY WHY OBAMA SITS IN THAT CHAIR FOR ANOTHER FOUR YEARS. But you don't see it that way. You won't. You can't. Because if you did, you'd never be able to live with yourselves.

So instead you Palinize Ron Paul. Because you have no choice in the matter. You're just.... Plain.... Stupid.... And you vote....
 
I am not a Republican and have never been one. I have always been registered as an independent. Having said that, I am a conservative, Christian, libertarian. In fact, by many measures, I'm probably more truly conservative than 99% of the republicans you may know. And you Republicans out there need me. Why? Because I have never voted for a Democrat presidential candidate and usually hold my nose and vote for the Republican...even though I think your party is run by mental defectives. If this offends you, take solace in the fact that I think the Dems are evil mental defectives, but they're smarter than you. There are a lot of conservative independents like myself out there and the more you alienate people like me, the fewer of our votes you get.

You didn't get my vote this time around. Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson did. You should know (and do) that you are safe from us voting for the liberals, insofar as people like me are never going to vote for the likes of Obama, but you can't take my vote or support for granted. Your recent history has been one of presenting us with milquetoast candidates who are barely distinguishable from their democratic opponents and then scratching your heads in wonder when we aren't wildly enthusiastic. Like I said, you're stupid and nothing illustrates this better than your most recent campaign.

You were confronted, in the primaries, with an honorable and truly conservative candidate in the form of Dr. Paul. This elderly statesman actually promoted a lot of the things the GOP is supposed to stand for, but let slip by the wayside in the name of misguided political expediency. He also generated a lot of youth support, which is something you stodgy GOP types have never managed. Now, realistically, most of we more mature Paul supporters understood that he didn't really have much of a chance at the nomination...but that wasn't the point. He exposed the country - and especially our youth - to a lot of ideas that you should have been promoting. A smart GOP - but we aren't really expecting that, are we - would've recognized this phenomenon and tried to co-opt it. You know, offer Dr. Paul a substantial cabinet post and publicly laud him for his ideas and his record of service. Uhm, like the smart Obama crew did by holding their noses and including Hillary on their team the last time around. If you'd done that, you could've siphoned a lot of the youth and independent enthusiasm for Dr. Paul and looked like something other than The Stupid Party.

But, nooooo. In classic Stupid Party fashion, you idiots pulled every underhanded, dirty trick in the book against Dr. Paul and alienated a potentially substantial voting bloc for no intelligent reason. People like myself don't like scumbag GOP tactics any more than we like the Democrat variety. So guys like me - in a solidly red state where it didn't make any difference - voted for Johnson instead of your tool. A lot of folks just stayed home. And those kids? Well, I'm afraid a lot of them stayed home, too or even voted for Obama. Kids, more so than old pharts like myself, are more inclined to vote their spite.

So there ya go, GOP. That's my take and I'll sadly watch your death throes over the next four years as you continue to slide into history's ash bin and political irrelevancy. There's a chance you can avoid becoming the next Whig party, but you're going to have to get smart.

I'm not holding my breath.

Best regards
Doc

This is one of the best posts I have read here on TB ever.
 

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This is one of the best posts I have read here on TB ever.

BertaBurtonLake,

Thank you for the kind words, Ma'am! You too, Dennis! I think I'll use the post as the basis for one of my "Doc's Freedom Files" radio spots.

Best regards
Doc
 
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