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The Psychological Reason They Want to Normalize Human Composting

After reading through some posts on conservative and alternative media, the general sentiment towards a law taking effect in New

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by JD Rucker

January 2, 2023

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After reading through some posts on conservative and alternative media, the general sentiment towards a law taking effect in New York to make it the sixth state that allows human composting is that the practice is sick. Almost universally, right-leaning journalists are focusing on how ludicrous it is and that the greenies are projecting the mental illness inherent in their cult.
As I described on today’s episode of The JD Rucker Show, it’s far worse than being ludicrous or a mental illness. This is a very significant move that has deep psychological effects.

This represents a willingness by people to put their physical remains below the Religion of Climate Change. For some who see dead bodies as empty vessels with no real purpose, it’s easy to blow this off. But the vast majority of Americans consider the remains of their loved ones to be significant, which means that giving them over to the climate change cult is a deep embrace of their flawed worldview.
If they can make us believe that our dead bodies are less important than prolonging the hoax, they are a step away from making people believe their living bodies are only worthy of sacrifice to the cause as well.
Here’s an article by Michael Snyder from End of the American Dream that gives all the details about this odd practice…

They Want to Turn Us Into “Beautiful, Rich, Dark Chocolaty-Looking Soil” When We Die for the Good of the Environment​

Did you know that there are six states where it is now legal to turn your dead body into compost? So when your family is ready to plant a garden the following spring, they can actually use your remains to get it off to a great start. I realize that this sounds incredibly twisted, but apparently turning your dead loved ones into dirt is becoming extremely popular, and it is being touted as a great way to help the environment. In fact, you can reportedly reduce the size of your carbon footprint by 1 metric ton by choosing “human composting” instead of other traditional burial methods. Sadly, many people that will read this article will actually think that this sounds like a great idea, and that is because they simply don’t understand the value of human life.
On Saturday, New York officially became the sixth U.S. state to make “human composting” legal…

New York has become the sixth state in the United States to legalize natural organic reduction, popularly known as human composting, as a method of burial.
Democratic Gov. Kathy Hochul signed the legislation on Saturday. Washington was the first state to legalize human composting in 2019, followed by Colorado and Oregon in 2021 and Vermont and California in 2022.

Unfortunately, it is probably inevitable that most states will eventually legalize this sick practice.
Our politicians tend to love any measures that reduce carbon emissions, and we are being told that “1 metric ton of carbon dioxide is saved from the environment” when someone chooses the “human composting” method…

Seth Viddal, managing partner of the Natural Funeral in Colorado, tells Yahoo Life, “You do not have to be a rocket scientist to figure out that [cremation] pollutes” or that it’s not environmentally friendly to be “embalmed with a toxic chemical” and then put into the ground.
Green burials can help change that. “For each person who chooses human composting over traditional burial and cremation, 1 metric ton of carbon dioxide is saved from the environment,” Anna Swenson, outreach manager for Recompose in Washington, tells Yahoo Life. That’s roughly equivalent to the carbon footprint of a 2,500-mile drive, one person taking a 3,000-mile round-trip flight or the production of food one American eats in half a year.

So exactly how does this process work?
Well, they jam a dead body into a “reusable vessel” and let it rot for several weeks…

The process involves the body of the deceased being placed into a reusable vessel, along with plant material such as wood chips, alfalfa and straw. The organic mix creates the perfect habitat for naturally occurring microbes to do their work, quickly and efficiently breaking down the body in about a month’s time.
The end result is a cubic yard stack of nutrient-dense soil amendment, the equivalent of about 36 bags of soil, that can be used to plant trees or enrich conservation land, forests or gardens.

Doesn’t that sound fun?
Once the process is over, your body has been transformed into a very large pile of “beautiful, rich, dark chocolaty-looking soil”…

Once the composting process is complete, you’re left with “several hundred pounds” of soil, explains Swenson. “You can think of that in terms of two to three wheelbarrows” of soil, says Viddal.
He notes that the quality of the soil looks and feels like “a super-premium garden blend. It’s a beautiful, rich, dark chocolaty-looking soil. … It’s teeming with life.”

Many families choose to take the soil home with them once the process is over, and there are no restrictions on how it may be used.
Just think about that for a moment.
Human bodies are not leftover vegetables and they are not household waste. But our society relentlessly trains us to think of ourselves as worthless.
We are told over and over again that the way we were made is not good enough, and so some people spend thousands upon thousands of dollars to surgically alter their appearances…

The controversial transgender influencer who was invited to Biden’s White House has posted a video showing off her bruised and scarred face after she underwent facial feminization surgery.
Dylan Mulvaney could be seen in a TikTok video posted on December 21 with bandages around her head and gauze covering her face as she told her 9.9million followers she was feeling well following the controversial surgery.
As part of the plastic surgery, transgender women get their facial bones sliced off and sanded down to make themselves appear more feminine.

Others spend years wallowing in depression because they have been made to feel so worthless, and there are way too many that ultimately choose to end their lives prematurely. Here is just one example…

Whitney Mills, 40, reportedly shot herself to death on May 12 of this year after attempting to burn herself alive in Clearwater, Florida.
She was pronounced dead two days later and was suffering from a number of serious health issues – including Lyme disease and depression – leading up to her passing.
Mills also reportedly had a tumor on one of her ovaries but refused to have the mass surgically removed.

No matter who you are, and no matter what your circumstances are, the truth is that your life has far more value than I even have the words to describe.
And no matter how bad things may seem right now, there is always a way to turn things around.
I am a living example of that.

So never give up, and never forget that your life has value.
Your life is not an accident. As I discuss in my brand new book, you were put here for a reason and you have an important job to do.
You are not a worthless random collection of cells. There has never been anyone else like you, and there is a destiny set before you that only you can fulfill.
So don’t listen to those that would like to convince you that you are no more valuable than a bag of dirt.
They would love to see all of us turned into piles of compost, but the truth is that they have absolutely no intention of doing such a thing to themselves.

 

[FREEBIRD]

Easier to kill large numbers of people once you convince them that they are nothing but dirt.

 

[Dux]

So wasteful. Soylent green instead. /sarcasm

 

[Greenspode]

To be perfectly honest, I have never understood the whole casket /burial thing. For what?? We decompose......why try and stop that process?

I think we should bury people in the ground with no trappings, and then plant a tree on the spot to mark the grave. Even composting sounds stupid. Just let nature do what nature does. JMHO.

 

[Broken Arrow]

I thought those pod deals they put the body in then bury and plant a tree over were pretty cool. Having a body embalmed to "preserve" it always seem more grotesque to me. Preserve it for what reason? If its buried, its not like many of us will ever see that body again.

Husband and I agreed to both be cremated, and then when I go my kids will spread both of our ashes across our upper pasture. Meanwhile, my husband's ashes are in the living room so he can watch tv.

 

[eens]

How does this work as far as cannibalism goes? I think this is to soften up the taboo of cannibalism.

 

[Melodi]

In some parts of Europe, it is pretty easy to tell early Christian burials from later Pagan/Heathen ones because many Christians preferred to be buried simply in a white shroud with no grave goods. Sometimes there was a coffin, and sometimes there was not. While the idea wasn't to get your garden soil here in a month, that pretty much was human composting; it just wasn't called that.

In some places (like Ireland and parts of the UK, later Scandinavia), you have a sort of blending right at the cusp of the conversion where you find some, often noble or wealthy, graves with both grave goods, remains of elaborate clothing, and Christian symbolism. But pretty soon, the average person was buried very simply, in a shroud and wooden coffin (when there was one). Royalty and very rich people might have elaborate tombs with chapels attached, but the placing of "offerings" for the dead to use in the afterlife slowly went away.

So I don't think the idea of "ashes to ashes, dust to dust" that this writer finds offensive; it is the idea of treating the beloved dead as next year's garden soil that they find upsetting. In a fictional Moon Colony, Robert Heinlein has the colonists doing exactly what New York has now made legal. Though the family in the main story only uses their departed's soil to grow their flower garden and beauty area as a mark of respect; the colonists grow up expecting that their bodies will help make more soil for future generations so it is considered an act of love rather than garbage disposal. Big difference there.

 

[West]

Not as bad as killing babies. And most seem okay with that. Also assisted suicide, sure why not.... on and on.

 

[Henry Bowman]

It is almost like these people want to do us harm.

 

[TerryK]

Jewish and Moslem customs seem to be the simplest. Bodies are cleaned (not embalmed), wrapped in a plain burial shroud. Jews use a plain wooden coffin with no metal and moslems may use a coffin but are traditionally burried in just a shrould perpendicular to, and with their right side facing Mecca.
Both religions believe in simple and quick burial to show that all are equal in death.

 

[pinkelsteinsmom]

To desecrate a human body is to desecrate human beings. All done on purpose. Please note EVRYTHING they are for is in direct opposition to what GOD has set as acceptable in his word. Wa state will allow you to throw your dead child in the back yard to rot before your eyes.

 

[KFhunter]

My corpse will probably end up as bear shit

 

[Publius]

Graveyards are filling up everywhere and what to do about it?
Now land is valuable and burying dead people in graveyards gets to be very expensive and not affordable for the poor.
Member Melodi who lives in Ireland and back me up on this and lives in that country they have some graveyards where burial plots were recycled and there are people buried on top of older graves and not sure they are still doing this or not.
Burning the bodies requires the use of fuel of some kind and not looking practical with 8.5 billion people on this planet.

 

[Ractivist]

It should be legal for a family to bury a dead family member in their yard. Instead, they have to spend thousands of dollars to go thru the system these days...... this is done with respect. Not a case of throwing out the bio degradable trash as this soil conversion scheme appears. I think in some states one can't bury their dog in their yard, not sure here, but seems I've heard such a thing.

 

[Greenspode]

I guess I just don't understand how burying a body without all the "trappings", so that it can biodegrade as nature intended, is the same as killing babies or "harming" us. Can anyone explain?

 

[Milkweed Host]

Our current American funeral business is really a just a racket to
prey on the vulnerable family members. We've all seen the sales
pitch to spend lots of money to make family members more comfortable
with expensive all wood storage units, sealed vaults, with a comfortable plot
of ground that is tied up forever. Oh, let's not forget the grave marker and engravings!

After all, this is your last chance to spend lots of money on someone who would
be really pissed it they knew what you were doing with your inheritance.


I'm pretty sure that when I'm dead, I won't know that I'm dead.
No need to waste any more resources on me.

I will say that with the Covid restrictions, the grip on family members to
hold a traditional expensive funeral has changed. People are opting out for
something less expensive and simpler.

 

[Melodi]

Graveyards are filling up everywhere and what to do about it?
Now land is valuable and burying dead people in graveyards gets to be very expensive and not affordable for the poor.
Member Melodi who lives in Ireland and back me up on this and lives in that country they have some graveyards where burial plots were recycled and there are people buried on top of older graves and not sure they are still doing this or not.
Burning the bodies requires the use of fuel of some kind and not looking practical with 8.5 billion people on this planet.

This has been true all over much of Europe, not just in Ireland, and has also historically happened in the US. More common in the US has been the digging up old graveyards on what later became "prime" property when the area filled up and became built up. That happened in Denver, Colorado, with "all" of the dead supposedly moved, but now and then, a construction project downtown will find another body part that was missed.

I don't believe the bury bodies on top of bodies have continued to this day in Ireland. I'd have to do a bit more research. Still, I suspect the use of stacked and/or replacement barrels (taking the deceased bones out of a grave and placing them in an ossuary or other location to bury someone more recently dead) was more because of a lack of concentrated ground around churches, especially in urban areas.

It was imperative in the Middle Ages to be buried in the concentrated ground, and it still is for Catholics and some other groups today. During times of great crises like the Black Death in the 14th century or after a huge battle, the Church allowed priests to consecrate mass burials when there were no other options. But in general, people wanted to be buried inside the churchyards, and there was always limited space there.

Old ballads from the 17th and 18th centuries often have references to this, where one lover or spouse was killed and the other died by their own hand (or later, one was Protestant and the other Catholic). One lover is buried inside the churchyard and the other beside the wall just outside it, and magical rose bushes or trees grow up from each grave and intertwine, connecting the lovers for eternity. This also suggests that both common people and bards were not taken with the idea that someone dying for love would never see heaven or be eternally separated from their beloved.

The main church theology at the time could be harsh, but common people still had their views.

The early minimalist Christian burials were for the same reasons that both Jews and Muslims still do today; the idea was the person was bound for heaven and would not need earthy goods. Their bodies would be magically resurrected as long as they were properly buried.

People's ideas of what is respectful to the dead and their proper treatment vary a lot, even in the context of recent Western Civilization. Today most people would react in horror to cutting off an arm bone or a skull to keep it as a saint's relic, but in the Middle Ages, it was seen as the highest form of respect for a saintly life. Even today, seriously old-school folks in Ireland and Southern Europe still line up to view these "saint's relics," usually in jeweled caskets covered with elaborate and expensive fabrics. At the height of the Middle Ages, almost every major church had one or more pieces of a dead person decorated and displayed in the way - while rarely they might really be the finger bone of St. Jude, more often they were provided by "relics traders," who were similar to some modern used car salesmen today in terms of their accuracy and honest trading (lol). No offense to honest used car salesmen or relics vendors of the past.

 

[JMG91]

I guess I just don't understand how burying a body without all the "trappings", so that it can biodegrade as nature intended, is the same as killing babies or "harming" us. Can anyone explain?

I'm in agreement with you. I mean, obviously, this whole thing probably has a nefarious agenda/purpose behind it--because these people want to kill us--but I also agree that letting nature take its course, as God designed it to do, is not a big deal.

 

[L.A.B.]

In the future. Roadside burials will be considered worthy of green carbon points. No questions asked.

Coroner reports will be unavailable or carbon free.

Submit-Obey-Roll Over again Spot.

Good Boy!

 

[willowlady]

I somehow had the idea that the main reason for burial was to reduce the likelihood of the spread of disease. You know, 6' under? I know some cultures practice sky burials and let mother nature do it's work, but with the populations we have that could be risky. IMO, the main reason for the expensive current practice in this country is simply a profitable ritual for loved ones to have a ceremonial time of saying goodbye. And that's a lot of money to waste. My mom was cremated (at her wish), and DH and I will probably do the same. By the way, what happens to all those corpses lying in big piles? Wind up with explosions in vermin and scavenger populations, methinks.

 

[Publius]

This has been true all over much of Europe, not just in Ireland, and has also historically happened in the US. More common in the US has been the digging up old graveyards on what later became "prime" property when the area filled up and became built up. That happened in Denver, Colorado, with "all" of the dead supposedly moved, but now and then, a construction project downtown will find another body part that was missed.

I don't believe the bury bodies on top of bodies have continued to this day in Ireland. I'd have to do a bit more research. Still, I suspect the use of stacked and/or replacement barrels (taking the deceased bones out of a grave and placing them in an ossuary or other location to bury someone more recently dead) was more because of a lack of concentrated ground around churches, especially in urban areas.

It was imperative in the Middle Ages to be buried in the concentrated ground, and it still is for Catholics and some other groups today. During times of great crises like the Black Death in the 14th century or after a huge battle, the Church allowed priests to consecrate mass burials when there were no other options. But in general, people wanted to be buried inside the churchyards, and there was always limited space there.

Old ballads from the 17th and 18th centuries often have references to this, where one lover or spouse was killed and the other died by their own hand (or later, one was Protestant and the other Catholic). One lover is buried inside the churchyard and the other beside the wall just outside it, and magical rose bushes or trees grow up from each grave and intertwine, connecting the lovers for eternity. This also suggests that both common people and bards were not taken with the idea that someone dying for love would never see heaven or be eternally separated from their beloved.

The main church theology at the time could be harsh, but common people still had their views.

The early minimalist Christian burials were for the same reasons that both Jews and Muslims still do today; the idea was the person was bound for heaven and would not need earthy goods. Their bodies would be magically resurrected as long as they were properly buried.

People's ideas of what is respectful to the dead and their proper treatment vary a lot, even in the context of recent Western Civilization. Today most people would react in horror to cutting off an arm bone or a skull to keep it as a saint's relic, but in the Middle Ages, it was seen as the highest form of respect for a saintly life. Even today, seriously old-school folks in Ireland and Southern Europe still line up to view these "saint's relics," usually in jeweled caskets covered with elaborate and expensive fabrics. At the height of the Middle Ages, almost every major church had one or more pieces of a dead person decorated and displayed in the way - while rarely they might really be the finger bone of St. Jude, more often they were provided by "relics traders," who were similar to some modern used car salesmen today in terms of their accuracy and honest trading (lol). No offense to honest used car salesmen or relics vendors of the past.

They did make easy to find the old graves as they laid the old head stone flat on top of it then placed the next burial on top of that.
Really old graves they are not likely to find much of bones bones but the outline of the body and coffin and they have come up with a way to deal with that and move the remains with the soil and relocate it.

 

[Samuel Adams]

I have to admit, composting human bodies was psychologically normalized for me, decades ago.

No…..it didn’t all happen at once, but, after a few years of composting, and appreciating the process and the results, I was afforded the opportunity to begin composting entire and larger animal carcasses.

In a hot pile, a 1500# bovine can go to clean bones and debris in three weeks…..


Then, one day, I realized……..I have enemies……

 

[GB Appling]

Easier to kill large numbers of people once you convince them that they are nothing but dirt.

Oh but we are. :P

I see it as a good thing. Traditionally we all practiced green burial until the civil war era when the use of harsh preservatives were introduced into the mortuary field.

 

[FireDance]

Go to “Ask a Mortician” on YouTube and she will explain the whole process to you.

I don’t find it as full of BS as I do the embalming, vault and all the crap you’ve been told make up a “civilized” funeral.

Besides, you learn a LOT about the funeral industry from her. It’s not pretty at all. And I think you will enjoy her presentations. She’s pretty comical for a mortician.

 

[mourningdove]

It’s not an objectionable option. Not any worse than rotting in a casket or being turned into ashes. I wish we had this in Texas because I would be glad to prepay for it. I’ve been stalling on prepaying for cremation because I have been hoping this would be an option for us here in Texas.

 

[Dennis Olson]

To be perfectly honest, I have never understood the whole casket /burial thing. For what?? We decompose......why try and stop that process?

Agreed. I have no intention of being buried. I want to be cremated and my ashes scattered with my pups in my favorite spot in Oregon, far from civilization. I don’t need a monument, and the thought of turning to slime in a concrete vault six feet underground is disgusting to me.

 

[mikeabn]

I guess I just don't understand how burying a body without all the "trappings", so that it can biodegrade as nature intended, is the same as killing babies or "harming" us. Can anyone explain?

I'd say it can be interpreted as another avenue of lessening the value of a human.

 

[GB Appling]

Agreed. I have no intention of being buried. I want to be cremated and my ashes scattered with my pups in my favorite spot in Oregon, far from civilization. I don’t need a monument, and the thought of turning to slime in a concrete vault six feet underground is disgusting to me.

Yep me too, my saying comes from Mr. Cash "Cremate me with a grin and cast my ashes to the wind." Told my fam to throw me out in 3 parts at a specific beach, marsh and woods.

 

[Greenspode]

I have to admit, composting human bodies was psychologically normalized for me, decades ago.

No…..it didn’t all happen at once, but, after a few years of composting, and appreciating the process and the results, I was afforded the opportunity to begin composting entire and larger animal carcasses.

In a hot pile, a 1500# bovine can go to clean bones and debris in three weeks…..


Then, one day, I realized……..I have enemies……

I need to learn how to do that with a big carcass. I really want a complete horse skeleton to use for teaching A&P, but they are quite pricey. I have thought about digging up one of the many horses that have been buried on my property over the years, but I may not pinpoint the exact location accurately. Starting from scratch seems easier. Then I could have students put it together!

 

[KFhunter]

I have to admit, composting human bodies was psychologically normalized for me, decades ago.

No…..it didn’t all happen at once, but, after a few years of composting, and appreciating the process and the results, I was afforded the opportunity to begin composting entire and larger animal carcasses.

In a hot pile, a 1500# bovine can go to clean bones and debris in three weeks…..


Then, one day, I realized……..I have enemies……

Birds gotta eat too, leave em lay

 

[Samuel Adams]

Birds gotta eat too, leave em lay

I did, at first……but the neighbors complain.

 

[Intestinal Fortitude]

who removes the GOLD TOOTH CROWNS?

Who gets those?

 

[West]

who removes the GOLD TOOTH CROWNS?

Who gets those?

I got my Father's. Surprised the crematorium gave them to me. Guess they pulled them before doing the deed. They where not melted.

 

[Txkstew]

I need to learn how to do that with a big carcass. I really want a complete horse skeleton to use for teaching A&P, but they are quite pricey. I have thought about digging up one of the many horses that have been buried on my property over the years, but I may not pinpoint the exact location accurately. Starting from scratch seems easier. Then I could have students put it together!

I was reading a guy who calls himself an Extreme Composter. He has equipment to collect and shred any organic matter he can collect. He make huge piles of composting material. He told neighbors that if they had any livestock die, and wanted it disposed off, to bring it by. He'd open a space with his front-end loader, and bury it.

One day, a man called and said his teenaged daughter's prized horse had died. She had heard about him composting animals, and wanted him to do her horse. He said it's amazing how fast big animals render to bones.

 

[Dobbin]

Owner has read the Humanure Handbook. Somewhere in that book the author says that "Soon land will be too valuable to bury dead people in it."

And - this much makes sense. AND (by extension) composting removes the limitation.

Not that I would advocate anything. Owner knows "Dairy Man" who has the local farm with 200 odd head of cattle. Those dead cattle just get removed to the "brush pile" out back and additional used bedding spread out on top of them.

Owner's seen it. He says that in about a year, the cow is reduced to "skeletal remains" - which can then be removed and burned. And the organic material goes back on the field.

"Full Cycle" he says to me while messing with my head.

I wish he would wipe that smile off his face when he says it...

I know he talks to Dairyman...I can't stop that.

Dobbin

 

[Txkstew]

A friend of mine is a horseman. He said he learned the hard way, to gut the carcass before trying to burn the animal.

 

[Samuel Adams]

I was reading a guy who calls himself an Extreme Composter. He has equipment to collect and shred any organic matter he can collect. He make huge piles of composting material. He told neighbors that if they had any livestock die, and wanted it disposed off, to bring it by. He'd open a space with his front-end loader, and bury it.

One day, a man called and said his teenaged daughter's prized horse had died. She had heard about him composting animals, and wanted him to do her horse. He said it's amazing how fast big animals render to bones.

Do you have a link to this extreme composter ?

 

[Txkstew]

It was a blog post somewhere in the internet vastness. I've tried to find it recently. No luck. He said him and his dad farmed 250 acres. Had nice soft fields. He had commercial chippers, big box trailers open on top and a big tractor.

Do you have a link to this extreme composter ?

 

[Samuel Adams]

It was a blog post somewhere in the internet vastness. I've tried to find it recently. No luck. He said him and his dad farmed 250 acres. Had nice soft fields. He had commercial chippers, big box trailers open on top and a big tractor.

I have wondered, given the cost of fertilizer and mineral inputs, how many acres would be required to justify going all out with a tub grinder and all the fixin’s…and how far ahead of the game one would be, raising corn, other grains and hay…..ten years in on just compost and the odd trace mineral if/when necessary…..

 

[Blacknarwhal]

To be perfectly honest, I have never understood the whole casket /burial thing. For what?? We decompose......why try and stop that process?

I think we should bury people in the ground with no trappings, and then plant a tree on the spot to mark the grave. Even composting sounds stupid. Just let nature do what nature does. JMHO.

Didn't you read the article? That's a sick practice and those who endorse it have no understanding of the value of life!

...I'm sure if you point out that LIFE has value, but a dead body isn't life, you'd be immediately accused of witchcraft and burned at the stake.