The Kookstead Back-To-Eden garden journey begins...

Kook

A 'maker', not a 'taker'!
Just thought I'd share some pix of our Back To Eden garden experience.

Below is a pic of the garden so far, along with a view of our method. We roll some 5' wide butcher paper out for about 10', and scrape out some wood mulch out the truck bed. We live about 6 miles from the local Timberland Products, and the chips are $25 per ton. A typical load is about 1200 pounds, just over the capacity of the truck, but so far not a problem.

The garden size is 61 feet by 44 feet, making it about 2600 SF +/- a bit. Another pic shows my beloved Kookette planting some corn. Next is some okra, then the rest. We are trying the 'three sisters' method of planting corn+beans/peas+squash together. I'll keep everyone informed how that and everything else turns out.

I'll say this, the advantages of this method as far as water usage are great. We haven't had rain for a month, and the ground is hard as concrete, but the soil under the paper and chips is moist and soft. I put the butcher over Fescue, cut low, and as much removal of rocks as possible. We then put at least 3" of mulch, sometimes more depending on terrain,

The golf cart has been a Godsend for us. We carry our tools, a radio for company, and ice water with it, plus bags of potting soil, fertilizer, the rolls of paper (HEAVY!) and anything else needed. We make runs back and forth to the shed and the house, and run neighborhood errands with it. I can't imagine doing without it. We both have physical limitations, so anything helps. Got a deal on it from a local shop for $700. I also am purchasing some used Trojan T-105 batteries there. I'll run pix of the solar system build later this summer.

Anyway, I'll update the thread as we go. Feel free to add your own pix/experiences. The BTE gardening method is great for fogies like us who don't get around very well, especially the weeding and watering parts.

Also, the rake seen in the truck is a MintCraft Pro-Series rake. I cannot recommend it enough. A man's rake fer sher.

Ciao for niao,

Kookster
 

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Vicki

Girls With Guns Member
Thanks for sharing Kook. Looking forward to more pictures as things get growing. May you have abundance there eh! :)
 

changed

Preferred pronouns: dude/bro
Awesome, I can't wait to see pics of green things growing through the wood chips.
 

TurtleSpeed

Contributing Member
We are preparing our garden now for the Back to Eden method of gardening and our friends down the road are doing the same. We had a 70 x 76 foot garden plowed a few weeks ago and started preparing the cardboard this afternoon. We moved up here 10 months ago and had all the moving boxes so we opened them all up, laid them flat on the ground, and hosed them until they were soaked. Tomorrow we hope to pull the boxes apart so the cardboard will be thinner and give us twice as much. Tomorrow afternoon we've got someone that is going to bring loads of composted goat manure (from the neighbor that is also starting the Back to Eden garden) and then we've got to find some wood chips pronto. We are on the U.P. and will be learning to garden with a much shorter season than we are used to. Kook, your garden looks ready to go and I'm looking forward to comparing notes. I'll try to get a pic or two since you opened the thread up to others. :spns:

p.s. What zone are you in?
 

Kook

A 'maker', not a 'taker'!
We are preparing our garden now for the Back to Eden method of gardening and our friends down the road are doing the same. We had a 70 x 76 foot garden plowed a few weeks ago and started preparing the cardboard this afternoon. We moved up here 10 months ago and had all the moving boxes so we opened them all up, laid them flat on the ground, and hosed them until they were soaked. Tomorrow we hope to pull the boxes apart so the cardboard will be thinner and give us twice as much. Tomorrow afternoon we've got someone that is going to bring loads of composted goat manure (from the neighbor that is also starting the Back to Eden garden) and then we've got to find some wood chips pronto. We are on the U.P. and will be learning to garden with a much shorter season than we are used to. Kook, your garden looks ready to go and I'm looking forward to comparing notes. I'll try to get a pic or two since you opened the thread up to others. :spns:

p.s. What zone are you in?

Zone 6b. The last official frost day is May 4th, which is past, but many people try to get ahead of the season by planting in early to mid April. They sometimes lose the gamble and have to replant. However, the main reason they do this is to try to get ahead of the inevitable dry spell in July through September. With this method, the normal evaporation rate (5mm to 10mm per day), withheld by the cover, will more than keep your garden alive. The Back To Eden film changed our lives for the better.
 

Calfisher

Veteran Member
Here is a pic of ours. Four inches of our compost with four inches of tree mulch on top of that. It is really starting to produce. 265 square feet. Most of the plants are in a square foot layout. Tomato cages are seven foot tall. Cucumber cage is five foot tall.
 

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bev

Has No Life - Lives on TB
This reminds me, I need to take some new pictures and update my posts on the previous thread. We actually have some green shoots now, though some of those are weeds/grass. DH says he thinks we should have used a much thicker layer of paper OR CARDBOARD to block the weeds/grass from coming through. We followed the BTE video pretty much to-the-letter and thought 4-5 layers of the paper would have been enough.

Ah well, maybe someone else can learn from this. When we expand, we'll definitely use more/thicker paper or cardboard.

Best of luck, y'all!
 

ejagno

Veteran Member
Wow, ever since I watched the video a few days ago I've been anxious to get out in my yard and try this. However, around 5" of rain on top of our already drenched soil isn't condusive to gardening right now. I do have garden envy. LOL
 

changed

Preferred pronouns: dude/bro
This reminds me, I need to take some new pictures and update my posts on the previous thread. We actually have some green shoots now, though some of those are weeds/grass. DH says he thinks we should have used a much thicker layer of paper OR CARDBOARD to block the weeds/grass from coming through. We followed the BTE video pretty much to-the-letter and thought 4-5 layers of the paper would have been enough.

Ah well, maybe someone else can learn from this. When we expand, we'll definitely use more/thicker paper or cardboard.

Best of luck, y'all!


Bev, I would have thought that you used enough paper. What I have been doing in my BTE garden is if weeds pop up, I either pluck them or cover them with a shovel full of woodchips.
 

Yarnball

Veteran Member
I love these threads and love the pics!

I think one of the keys is to be sure you really overlap the newspaper/cardboard. We used moving boxes and the only places anything has come up is where I didn't get it overlapped. It's not enough to "snug" it up close. Same as above, I immediately pull out the grass and pile up wood chips there. So far, so good.
 

tm1439m

Veteran Member
Looks like your off to a great start KOOK.

Calfisher, those are some mighty fine looking veggies! Green!
 

Sherrynboo

Veteran Member
Looks great Kook! Hope it produces well for you. I didn't put paper or anything down but deep chips so I do have some weeds but they are so much easier to pull now. I am having a problem with things not growing as well but nothing has died yet. I actually cracked and used some Miracle Gro a few days ago because the green bean plants were yellowing so. Some things are doing very well and others not so much. I had hoped to get the chips down sooner so they could be partially broken down but it didn't work out that way.

Sherry in GA
 

changed

Preferred pronouns: dude/bro
Here is one section of my BTE garden showing potatoes and brocolli.
 

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Straycat

Veteran Member
Living in Montana as I do, all I can think of is how that garden needs at least deer fence around it! Anything not fenced in our area gets eaten down to the ground by the deer overnight.
 

ejagno

Veteran Member
WooHoo, I contacted a tree service today and they will deliver the first dump truck load of mulch Thursday. I have so much that I want to do, to include veggies as well as flowers and ornamental. Normally I only do tons of vegetables but this year the whole lawn needs some TLC as well. Now this is what I call a great Mothers Day.
 

iboya

Veteran Member
Here is a pic of ours. Four inches of our compost with four inches of tree mulch on top of that. It is really starting to produce. 265 square feet. Most of the plants are in a square foot layout. Tomato cages are seven foot tall. Cucumber cage is five foot tall.
Outstanding!
 

tm1439m

Veteran Member
Looks great Kook! Hope it produces well for you. I didn't put paper or anything down but deep chips so I do have some weeds but they are so much easier to pull now. I am having a problem with things not growing as well but nothing has died yet. I actually cracked and used some Miracle Gro a few days ago because the green bean plants were yellowing so. Some things are doing very well and others not so much. I had hoped to get the chips down sooner so they could be partially broken down but it didn't work out that way.

Sherry in GA

Sounds to me like you need nitrogen. If this is the first year those wood chips are starving the ground for nitrogen. Put grass clippings down over your wood chips, mix them in and let them decompose. They will bring the nitrogen back and next year will be a big improvement IMO.
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
I use four layers of newsprint. I did the squash, blueberries and root vegetables last year, and didn't have to do any weeding at all there. This year I'm doing the whole darn thing. 4 layers of newsprint overlapping about 4 inches, covered with about an inch of compost. Looking forward to a good year, with any luck.
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
Living in Montana as I do, all I can think of is how that garden needs at least deer fence around it! Anything not fenced in our area gets eaten down to the ground by the deer overnight.

Yeah, deer did a number on us last year. Beans never had a chance. This year we have an 8-foot fence, and I can run wire higher than that if need be. Bring it on.
 

Kook

A 'maker', not a 'taker'!
Yeah, deer did a number on us last year. Beans never had a chance. This year we have an 8-foot fence, and I can run wire higher than that if need be. Bring it on.

Southern Missouri is absolutely EAT UP with deer, they're worse than roaches around here. I will be putting a four foot welded wire fence up, then a 7' extension of deer netting above. It will also have a foot wide welded wire footing to prevent dig-unders. Hey, I figure our lives may depend on that garden someday soon, and I'm approaching it with that in mind. I'm investing a few bucks now (about $500+/-) but I will get that back and more in groceries in this year alone. The soil will develop and mature over time and it will get more and more productive as it 'seasons'. Anything worth doing, etc.
 

Kook

A 'maker', not a 'taker'!
Here is a pic of ours. Four inches of our compost with four inches of tree mulch on top of that. It is really starting to produce. 265 square feet. Most of the plants are in a square foot layout. Tomato cages are seven foot tall. Cucumber cage is five foot tall.

Most excellent! Even a small garden can really make a huge difference in the food bills, and your health.
 

Kook

A 'maker', not a 'taker'!
Disaster of sorts....

...my cats discovered the mulch garden! Unfortunately, I left a small opening around each plant in the mulch, and several corn plants got creamed by my cats using the garden for a litter box. I salvaged all but one, and then pushed the chips closer around the plants, with just the green shoots showing. I'm hoping they will use areas at random, and not focus in on the openings now. Now I have real incentive to get that fence up!
 
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