EBOLA The Homeless Man Went Hot?

[helen]

I think the subject needs a thread as he represents a separate vector for spreading Ebola.

My work includes constant contact with people experiencing different degrees of homelessness.

Many of them avoid shelters, but they will use public restrooms. Many practically live in libraries and others live in public parks. Public schools are often adjacent to parks.

This man should have been quarantined the minute they had him.

 

[Cascadians]

What it sounds like. A lot more ppl could be hot by now, with the amount of body fluids Pt Zero was spewing. Emergency room, pharmacy, grocery store, apartment, parking lot, ambulance, hospital <-- all recipients of vomit at the least. And those droplets around him aren't harmless to breathe either.

Sounds like hot n homeless snuck out of the hospital too. Nobody has been compliant so far. Even Da Judge is a complete imbecile who no doubt is now the host of virulently multiplying Ebola biobombs that he's dispersing with every breath, sweat, ejaculation, pee, poop, cough, sneeze, and soon vomit, runs, blood etc.

 

[helen]

I touch them. I feed them. I sit with them and let them talk.


Panic Sex Lady ...

 

[Cascadians]

Helen you have always been funny and compassionate. The homeless are blessed to have your assistance. I pray nothing comes of any of this and we are all allowed to carry on our lives without these worries. But if Ebola does explode and "go viral," please take care of yourself and practice social distancing. At the very least. You are far too valuable for us to lose, Helen.

 

[2x2]

"Contact " control very important. Looks like Nigeria stopped Ebola cold,,,,, hopefully?

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Afri...ains-Ebola-and-US-officials-want-to-know-more


Nigeria contains Ebola – and US officials want to know more

US teams are headed to Nigeria to learn about its success in using 'contact tracing' – a significant practical step that limited the spread of the virus.

By Ariel Zirulnick, Correspondent October 6, 2014

Nairobi, Kenya — When Ebola reached Nigeria, health officials were worried about the populous country's ability to control the virus – particularly in Lagos, the nation’s coastal megacity and transport hub.

But this week, teams of American health officials are Lagos-bound to learn from Nigeria's experience in defying expectations and stopping the outbreak before it could wreak havoc.

Since July 20, the day Nigeria’s so-called “Patient Zero” arrived in Lagos, officials have recorded a total of only 19 cases, with no new cases since Aug. 31. Last week, on the same day the US confirmed its first case of Ebola, the Center for Disease Control (CDC) proclaimed that Nigeria had stopped its outbreak.

Meanwhile, Sierra Leone, one of three West African countries hard hit by Ebola, recorded 81 new cases in the past 24 hours.

Photos of the Day| Photos of the Day 10/06

"ecause of a rapid public health response, effectively tracking nearly 900 contacts, it appears they have] been able to stop the outbreak in Nigeria,” CDC Director Tom Frieden said Sunday. “Though we can't give the all clear yet, it does look like the outbreak is over there. I'm confident that wherever we apply the fundamental principles of infection control in public health, we can stop Ebola."

Nigeria’s success appears to be rooted in "contact tracing" – determining every single person that Patrick Sawyer, or Patient Zero, had contact with, and then monitoring them for signs of the virus.

“Contact tracing can stop the Ebola outbreak in its tracks,” a chart distributed by the CDC declares.

Now contact tracers are at work in the US, setting out to track down as many as 100 people who may have been exposed to Thomas Duncan, who traveled from Liberia to Dallas, where he was eventually diagnosed with the virus, The New York Times reports.

It is an immense task. The Washington Post outlines how it went in Nigeria:

“
From that single patient came a list of 281 people, [Gavin MacGregor-Skinner, who helped with the Ebola response in Nigeria] said. Every one of those individuals had to provide health authorities twice-a-day updates about their well-being, often through methods like text-messaging. Anyone who didn't feel well or failed to respond was checked on, either through a neighborhood network or health workers.

...In the end, contact tracers — trained professionals and volunteers — conducted 18,500 face-to-face visits to assess potential symptoms, according to the CDC, and the list of contacts throughout the country grew to 894. Two months later, Nigeria ended up with a total of 20 confirmed or probable cases and eight deaths.

Ethiopia, one of two countries recognized by the World Health Organization as prepared for a possible Ebola outbreak, also has a vigorous tracing process that applies to every visitor from West Africa.

 

[2x2]

Homeless man found. Internet going wacky again for me, but numerous articles claim they found him.

 

[Straycat]

US teams are headed to Nigeria to learn about its success in using 'contact tracing' – a significant practical step that limited the spread of the virus.

Read this over again. And again. And marvel at how what is touted as the most advanced civilization on the planet has to send a team to Nigeria - a third world country - to learn how to track and quarantine people. Is this a farce?

 

[Kook]

What it sounds like. A lot more ppl could be hot by now, with the amount of body fluids Pt Zero was spewing. Emergency room, pharmacy, grocery store, apartment, parking lot, ambulance, hospital <-- all recipients of vomit at the least. And those droplets around him aren't harmless to breathe either.

Sounds like hot n homeless snuck out of the hospital too. Nobody has been compliant so far. Even Da Judge is a complete imbecile who no doubt is now the host of virulently multiplying Ebola biobombs that he's dispersing with every breath, sweat, ejaculation, pee, poop, cough, sneeze, and soon vomit, runs, blood etc.

You left out ear wax...

 

[2x2]

Read this over again. And again. And marvel at how what is touted as the most advanced civilization on the planet has to send a team to Nigeria - a third world country - to learn how to track and quarantine people. Is this a farce?

"Is this a farce?"

No, Experience beats book learning.,,,, every time. Think,,, reinventing the wheel.

 

[Great Northwet]

Is this the story of the homeless guy who rode in the same ambulance as the ebola patient? If so; would that make it an airborne transmission? Is there a link that I missed?

Thanks to any who can reply.

 

[2x2]

Is this it? still wacky internet problems.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...found-ambulance-ebola-thomas-duncan/16796563/

 

[Great Northwet]

Is this it? still wacky internet problems.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...found-ambulance-ebola-thomas-duncan/16796563/

Yea; I think so. Good work, I don't know how I would have found that.

Helen; What does it mean that the homeless person "went hot"?

It's really important to separate fact from rumor on this subject. Remember there are many more lurkers than members here. We really need to get it right.

 

[babysteps]

So the article that 2x2 linked to (bolded emphasis mine):

DALLAS — A homeless panhandler who rode in the same ambulance after Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan was found Sunday after an extensive manhunt.

The 52-year-old man — who city officials identified as Michael Lively — was admitted to Parkland Memorial Hospital Sunday afternoon after being taken into custody by Dallas police officers. County Judge Clay Jenkins said he was taken to the hospital's psychiatric ward.

"He exhibited clear indicators that he needed to be taken to the psych ward," Jenkins said.

Parkland spokesman Mike Malaise said Lively was later removed by health officials and taken to an undisclosed location for isolation.

The manhunt began Saturday after Lively walked away from a local hospital where he had been taken to be checked out.

Officials said was the next person to ride in the ambulance Sept. 28 after Duncan was taken to Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital. Duncan remained in critical condition Sunday.

Dallas Fire-Rescue ambulance No, 37 was taken out of service on Tuesday, but has since been returned to the fleet after being decontaminated.

Hours before Lively was again located on Sunday, Jenkins confirmed that officials were looking for a "low-risk individual." He and other officials at a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention news conference Sunday said there was no need for community concern, since the man was not showing symptoms of Ebola.

"I want to stress to you that this person has not committed a crime," Jenkins said. "They are a low-risk individual — and I emphasize low-risk individual — and we are doing this as a precautionary measure. You have zero chance of contracting the Ebola virus from an asymptomatic individual."

Officials repeatedly emphasized that they simply wanted to find the man so that he could be taken to a "comfortable and compassionate place" during the 21-day monitoring period that follows possible exposure to the Ebola virus.

"The concern for anyone who's had contact is not that they may infect other people," explained CDC director David Frieden. "They are not a risk to others. The only thing that we need to ensure is that their temperature is monitored, and if they develop a fever that they're immediately assessed, isolated, and given the appropriate care."

David Lakey, commissioner of the Texas Department of State Health Services, explained that officials were able to find the homeless man on Saturday, "monitor him, check his temperature and evaluate him, and told him to stay there and that we needed to follow him... and he left."

Still, even as officials sought to project a sense of calm, a manhunt involving dozens of Dallas police officers and sheriff's department deputies was on to find the homeless man.

On Sunday afternoon, Lively was located near NorthPark Center. He was initially dressed in street clothes. He was escorted away in full surgical garb and a mask.

Dallas Mayor Mike Rawlings said Lively was able to walk away Saturday because officials did not have the authority to hold him.

"In America, people are free, and they can do whatever they want," Rawlings said. "We did not have the correct paperwork."

Sources told WFAA-TV that authorities were working late Sunday to obtain a control order to prevent Lively from walking away again.

Officials said there are 10 people who have been determined to have had contact with Duncan. Of those, seven are health care workers and three are family or community contacts.

Thirty-eight other people — including Lively — are people who authorities could not rule out as having had some kind of contact. All 48 of them will be tracked during the 21-day incubation.

None of those individuals has presented any symptoms of the virus, officials said

Frieden said he's confident that officials will stop the Ebola virus "in its tracks."

Officials also repeatedly emphasized that Ebola can only be spread by having contact with someone who is showing symptoms of the virus, or with their bodily fluids.

"It's very important that we follow the science and don't overreact in this situation," Jenkins said.

CDC officials did not take any questions from local reporters during Sunday's conference call, which has become a daily briefing since Thomas Eric Duncan became the first Ebola patient to fall ill outside of West Africa.

Is in direct contrast to the article that Be Well posted on one of the other threads, which says, in part:

The unidentified patient, sued as "M.W.L.," is "reasonably suspected of being infected with a communicable disease (Ebola) that presents an immediate threat to public health," the 4-page motion states.

They can't even keep their own stories straight.

 

[hope4mil]

I think this is the story. His name is Michael Lively, so this does appear to be him. This story is newer, from 4:20 pm on the 6th, so it would appear that he was showing symptoms after they found him.
Hope

http://www.courthousenews.com/2014/10/06/72174.htm

Monday, October 06, 2014Last Update: 4:20 PM PT

Texas Wants 2nd Possible Ebola Patient Put in Protective Custody
By DAVID LEE

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DALLAS (CN) - Texas wants a second patient "reasonably suspected of being infected" with Ebola put into protective custody in Dallas.
Dr. David L. Lakey, commissioner of the Texas Department of State Health Services, filed a motion for a temporary order of protective custody Monday in Dallas County Court.
The unidentified patient, sued as "M.W.L.," is "reasonably suspected of being infected with a communicable disease (Ebola) that presents an immediate threat to public health," the 4-page motion states.
"Further, movant has determined that proposed patient is a threat to himself or others if not immediately restrained. Further, sources charged with monitoring the proposed patient M.W.L. have observed the proposed patient failing or refusing to follow the written order of the Texas Department of State Health Services by leaving the premises of a medical facility contrary to medical directives, without permission and surreptitiously."
Lakey claims that the proposed patient "meets the criteria authorized by the court" to issue such an order.
"The sworn representations of the applicant, who is a credible person, state that the proposed patient is reasonably suspected of being infected with the communicable disease, Ebola, that presents a threat to public health; has failed or refused to follow the written or verbal orders of the Commissioner; and presents a substantial risk of harm to himself or others if no immediately restrained," according to the motion, filed Monday at 2 p.m.
Lakey wants the patient kept under constant guard at Parkland Hospital, Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital Dallas or any other appropriate facility.
Presbyterian is treating Thomas Eric Duncan, a Liberian, who is the first confirmed domestic case of Ebola .
The hospital has come under heavy criticism for releasing Duncan with only antibiotics on Sept. 26 and failing to flag his travel history for Ebola. He was hospitalized two days later when he developed symptoms consistent with the disease.
Duncan flew to Dallas from West Africa in September to visit his family.
Dallas County on Oct. 1 ordered Duncan's family into isolation at their Dallas apartment under armed guards.
The family has been relocated to another home and the apartment was decontaminated over the weekend.

 

[Kris Gandillon]

"reasonably suspected of being infected with a communicable disease (Ebola) that presents an immediate threat to public health"

That is what one, under NORMAL circumstances would call a "trumped up charge". And necessarily so in this case. That is the minimal declaration / excuse they could put down on the motion and get the judge to grant such an order of protective custody.

So in my opinion in the LEGAL sense "reasonably suspected of being infected" and medically-speaking of "actually being infected" are two extremely different things in this case. Let's hope I turn out to be right on this one.

 

[hope4mil]

Kris, I hope you are right, too. And you probably are. If not, we have our first case contracted in the US!!!
Hope

 

[night driver]

"...to learn Contact Tracking " HELL! All they gotta do is go to a retired public health STD nurse. We USED to do this with EVERY CASE of syph or clap.

 

[Adino]

i'm to believe that uncle sugar who can sweep up, parse, and store every single solitary electronic footprint each and every one of us leaves 24/7/365, and who has video surveillance nets all over the country, and who can send guided missiles to a single cell phone location, and who can mount .mil operations all over the world on a moments notice to eliminate terrorists can't keep track of individuals who've been granted visas and flown here?

and they don't know how to do contact tracking?

break out the scuba gear, the shit's too deep for waders

 

[Mama Ten Bears]

I have to do everything on my phone because the word bomb in the title gets this page blocked by the firewall.

There was a picture of them transferring lively to Presbyterian (I think that's where). He was in a protective suit and mask. Maybe someone can find it and post it. Too hard for me by

 

[Adino]

i know how to fix this

we just need to convince uncle sugar that all ebola victims turn into white, gun toting, christian, tea partiers that love God and country

by the end of breakfast the entire security apparatchik of uncle sugar would be on the case and none would be left to go about their biz freely or leave observation

and they'd be willing to throw them in isolation if they even looked liked they were going to sneeze

 

[WalknTrot]

"...to learn Contact Tracking " HELL! All they gotta do is go to a retired public health STD nurse. We USED to do this with EVERY CASE of syph or clap.

Exactly!! I was just about to say the same thing!

I was working in lab research on syphilis about 30 years ago. I remember distinctly the laws on the books and the contact tracing that would happen via the public health system if any of the research lab personnel ever contracted it. A very sobering reminder to be careful handling materials, because even if contracted from a lab break, we'd undergo the 3rd degree into our personal lives.

Of course, this all went down the tubes when AIDS came into the picture. God forbid anybody force the gays to divulge their contacts. And the system went downhill from there.

Political correctness be damned. It will be the death of us in more ways than one.

 

[ginnie6]

wow! this is from the article.....at least they want "compassionate" care for him...to hell with the rest of us I guess.
"The concern for anyone who's had contact is not that they may infect other people," explained CDC director David Frieden. "They are not a risk to others. The only thing that we need to ensure is that their temperature is monitored, and if they develop a fever that they're immediately assessed, isolated, and given the appropriate care."

 

[jed turtle]

wow! this is from the article.....at least they want "compassionate" care for him...to hell with the rest of us I guess.
"The concern for anyone who's had contact is not that they may infect other people," explained CDC director David Frieden. "They are not a risk to others. The only thing that we need to ensure is that their temperature is monitored, and if they develop a fever that they're immediately assessed, isolated, and given the appropriate care."

fire that idiot and put him in prison as an example to the next CDC director...

OF COURSE we're all concerned that anyone who's had contact may indeed infect other people!!!

 

[Melodi]

What many people don't realize is that on the plus side, most US (and even European) hospitals are bound by law not to treat a mentally functional adult if they refuse treatment: EXCEPT in cases of mandatory quarantine (even then you can probably refuse to be treated but you still can't leave).

The minus side is that it has been so many decades (about 6 to be exact) since the US has had to deal with widespread waves of infectious disease that required mass quarantines (Polio) and you have to go back another 40 or so years before that to get to the big water-borne epidemics that used to sweep the country on a regular basis; and of course the 1918 flu outbreak that caused whole cities to break down.

Especially in the last 40 years, money for public health and the old charity hospital system that used to treat the poor, uninsured, immigrants etc has fallen apart with the hospitals either "going private" (think of the name of the current Private hospital where the Ebola patient is being treated, it started out as a religious charity or probably did and still has an open ER). A system of public health nurses that used to scour the poor and immigrant communities in the late 19th and 20th centuries looking for outbreaks of disease and that brought doctor's to the area if an epidemic seem to be in danger of starting; along with draconian quarantine laws that most people don't realize are still on the books; simply was ignored, underfunded and eventually disbanded.

I've been saying for years that the typical American cultural default about the disease has switched since our great-grandparents day with many people rich and poor seeing disease as a "personal issue," and getting sick the result of "bad habits" with occasional exceptions for bad luck or genetics (especially if you love the person and know they have not "sinned" health wise). This has led to the extremes of people seen as "not deserving" of health care if they can't pay for it and/or have a "bad lifestyle." From an anthropologist's viewpoint a lot of this seems to stem from the some of the very good traits of standard American cultures - hard work, personal responsibility, etc; the problem is when you try to apply to illness and disease it falls on its face when facing a CONTAGIOUS disease.

Germs such as viruses and bacteria don't care about your health insurance status and they love over-crowded, stressful human living situation such as you find in your typical "Low-rent" district and always have; even doctors in the High Middle Ages understood this. They might not have know WHY epidemics started in poor areas, and contaminated water wasn't sorted as a cause until the 19th century in London, but they did know that these were the places most likely to be incubators for waves of disease and they also knew something I think both the public and large chunks of Western (especially AMERICAN) medicine has forgotten: once started the diseases don't stay there.

Hence, all the "morbid" artwork from the 14th century with the figure of Death dancing in a line holding the hands of both the pauper and the king...

One thing the Spanish Nurse debacle is really pointing out (along with the ER Mistakes and now the Homeless guy in the US) is that there simply has been no real money, no real rules put in place, no real training in best practice and no real support for something like this happening.

You can't blame nurses if the equipment they are given is cheap markdowns of what they are supposed to have and you can't really blame low-level hospital staff who are trained to let patients (especially poor and homeless patients) simply check out or walk out of the hospital unless they are obviously mentally disturbed or having "an episode. Hospitals are not the police; the same idiocy that went on with the exposed family in that filthy apartment is going to be played out all over the place because well, public health hasn't been a priority and no one really knows who is responsible on a local government level to make sure the family apartment is cleaned, food is provided the family is moved (or guarded) or whatever.

The US and the West; need to get their act together quickly even if it involves using the military or other options and not only order equipment for medical workers but GET IT IN PLACE and TRAIN people how to use it. Not by next Summer, but by next week...

This is like watching a rolling train wreck...

 

[Melodi]

And yes, I also realize that this is the "perfect storm" that could open the way for more draconian government/Marshal law etc to come into play; however I am also reminded of the Scot's throwing a party when the plague hit England because "GOD" had decided to destroy the English; until of course the disease crossed the border. On the other hand, vaccination was unknown at the time...

 

[Bubble Head]

Helen if you can link us to a verification of the second individual going hot it would be appreciated. This is big news especially since we have not a word from the people that the judge took out of the apartment several days ago. I fear they are all hot and quite possibly at a very secrete secure area as to not alarm the sheep. If the homeless man got it so did those in the apartment who had to sit for days without proper care and correct isolation procedures. The incubation time line falls in place for this individual. The others taken out of site should well be into the disease. Please take care Helen. Thank you for your work with the homeless and may the LORD place his protective hand over you and your loved ones.

 

[Ledel]

Helen if you can link us to a verification of the second individual going hot it would be appreciated. This is big news especially since we have not a word from the people that the judge took out of the apartment several days ago. I fear they are all hot and quite possibly at a very secrete secure area as to not alarm the sheep. If the homeless man got it so did those in the apartment who had to sit for days without proper care and correct isolation procedures. The incubation time line falls in place for this individual. The others taken out of site should well be into the disease. Please take care Helen. Thank you for your work with the homeless and may the LORD place his protective hand over you and your loved ones.

Yes, I am very curious about the family that was taken to nicer digs. I imagine that if all was well we would be hearing daily about how Ebola is sooo hard to get, how excited the family will be to go back to school, work, be united with family and friends real soon. ect..... I think it is too quiet

 

[Possible Impact]

[FONT=Verdana,Arial]Don't Fear Ebola- Fear Executive Order #13295 (posted 10-06-2014)


[FONT=Verdana,Arial]Obama Signs Executive Order to Detain Americans With ‘Respiratory Illnesses’ ([/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial][FONT=Verdana,Arial]posted 08-02-2014[/FONT])
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http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/show...in-Americans-With-%91Respiratory-Illnesses%92

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[FONT=Verdana,Arial][FONT=Verdana,Arial]Here we go, New EO yesterday. Hot off the press! [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial][FONT=Verdana,Arial][FONT=Verdana,Arial][FONT=Verdana,Arial]([/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial][FONT=Verdana,Arial]posted 08-02-2014[/FONT])
[/FONT][/FONT] [/FONT]http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?453163-EBOLA-U.S.-(Suspected-Cases)&p=5301796#post5301796
^^^ (re-read the next several posts in this thread.)
[/FONT]

 

[LeViolinist]

Yes, I am very curious about the family that was taken to nicer digs. I imagine that if all was well we would be hearing daily about how Ebola is sooo hard to get, how excited the family will be to go back to school, work, be united with family and friends real soon. ect..... I think it is too quiet

Yes, ... we should just move along and have a fun week.

 

[Ledel]

Ahhh yes! thats it, move along and have a nice week

 

[2x2]

Here's a couple of short short "snips" from the article;,,,,,
"The manhunt began Saturday after Lively walked away from a local hospital where he had been taken to be checked out."

"David Lakey, commissioner of the Texas Department of State Health Services, explained that officials were able to find the homeless man on Saturday, "monitor him, check his temperature and evaluate him, and told him to stay there and that we needed to follow him... and he left."
In other words, homeless man was being irresponsible, for what ever reason, and willingly refused to cooperate. Follow up in this case would be useless and possibly fatal to him and others.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...found-ambulance-ebola-thomas-duncan/16796563/

 

[Bubble Head]

[FONT=Verdana,Arial]Don't Fear Ebola- Fear Executive Order #13295 (posted 10-06-2014)


[FONT=Verdana,Arial]Obama Signs Executive Order to Detain Americans With ‘Respiratory Illnesses’ ([/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial][FONT=Verdana,Arial]posted 08-02-2014[/FONT])
[/FONT]
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/show...in-Americans-With-%91Respiratory-Illnesses%92

[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial][FONT=Verdana,Arial]Here we go, New EO yesterday. Hot off the press! [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial][FONT=Verdana,Arial][FONT=Verdana,Arial][FONT=Verdana,Arial]([/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial][FONT=Verdana,Arial]posted 08-02-2014[/FONT])
[/FONT][/FONT] [/FONT]http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?453163-EBOLA-U.S.-(Suspected-Cases)&p=5301796#post5301796
^^^ (re-read the next several posts in this thread.)
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Apparently this executive order only applies to US Citizens since we do not detain those from West Africa and ovomit has said he will not impose a travel band or other precautions upon those entering our country. It is to be feared.

 

[2x2]

Yes, I am very curious about the family that was taken to nicer digs. I imagine that if all was well we would be hearing daily about how Ebola is sooo hard to get, how excited the family will be to go back to school, work, be united with family and friends real soon. ect..... I think it is too quiet

No news is good news?

 

[Adino]

no news is muzzled news

 

[Witness]

CDC dropped the ball again! The homeless man was in custody at the hospital and he walked away.
In my opinion, him riding in the ambulance immediately after the very sick Mr. Duncan makes him
highly suspect of catching the disease.

 

[2x2]

no news is muzzled news

How do we know??

 

[Bubble Head]

No news is good news?

Not this time and not this way. I want an update with pictures of the happy smiling people. I demand an update on the homeless man. I don't care about his name just an official update from the hospital or wherever they are keeping him. This isn't time for the CDC to be playing with their Cracker Jacks toys.

 

[2x2]

CDC dropped the ball again! The homeless man was in custody at the hospital and he walked away.
In my opinion, him riding in the ambulance immediately after the very sick Mr. Duncan makes him
highly suspect of catching the disease.

Once again, a snip from the article;

Dallas Mayor Mike Rawlings said Lively was able to walk away Saturday because officials did not have the authority to hold him.

"In America, people are free, and they can do whatever they want," Rawlings said. "We did not have the correct paperwork."

Sources told WFAA-TV that authorities were working late Sunday to obtain a control order to prevent Lively from walking away again.

 

[Adino]

How do we know??

who owns the mainstream media news?

what are their goals and allegiance? to you and the truth or the oligarchy?

do we have real reporting in this country outside independent internet news sites and personal accts spread via social mediums like facebook?

how did we find out about duncan's vomit cleanup if the question is still lingering?

 

[Ledel]

In most situations I would concur that no news is good news. However, the CDC is very adamant that Ebola is difficult to get, direct contact ect... The CDC knows that people are worried and scared and kids have been pulled from schools because of the worry of contracting the disease. IF the families were absolutely OK, I am just about positive that there would be at least an update... All is well, blah, blah,kids antsy and missing friends at school... worried about job, boyfriend in hospital. Absolute silence on the biggest possible pandemic news we have had in sometime is not how the media usually operates, this to me is suspicious to say the least