BRKG Suez Canal blocked by mega barge - UPDATE, post 356 - ship seized by Egypt

Walrus

Veteran Member
Can someone help?
Only those who speak Arabic but it's not difficult to hear the jubilation being experienced as they dislodged the ship.

I know about 20 words in Arabic but that's it. From what little I could pick up in the second vid, someone was giving course instructions and someone else was confirming those courses - presumably making minor corrections in the towing angle of the two boats which were pulling the bow of the vessel out into the channel. (If you listen carefully, there was a bit of English being spoken in there)
 

Red Baron

Paleo-Conservative
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I dunno. Is the bow still in the bank and do we detect a bit of a list that wasn't there before?

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Walrus

Veteran Member
This animation is fascinating. It had to be pandemonium on that bridge. If that ship had that kind of momentum when it hit the bank, it's hard to imagine there isn't structural damage somewhere. If the vessel does make it to Rotterdam and gets offloaded, I bet it'll be covered with a fine-toothed comb by marine surveyors before the underwriters will issue any future coverage.

I don't know if there are ports in the Med which could handle a vessel this size (Istanbul? Piraeus?) but wouldn't be too surprised to read more news about the Ever Given within the next week or so.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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Boy, there sure appears to be a serious list to port! I wonder if some cargo shifted on impact? Sure hope they inspect that thing from stem to stern before she heads out onto the open seas again!

Summerthyme
 

Red Baron

Paleo-Conservative
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This stream has an accurate time stamp. GMT is CDT +5 hours. Adjust for your time zone.

GMT (Greenwich Mean Time) is also called UTC (Coordinated Universal Time) or ZULU time. It's all the same.

EN DIRECTO El EVER GIVEN ya navega y se desbloquea EL CANAL DE SUEZ | RTVE

View: https://youtu.be/dmt4AXWwOU4
 
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jward

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BREAKING: Suez Canal service firm says massive container ship that was stuck in vital waterway has been set free, on the move. (AP)
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BREAKING: for the first time since we got here several hours ago, the ship is really moving!
View: https://twitter.com/rafsanchez/status/1376483199023525889?s=20

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EVER GIVEN to sail to Great Bitter Lake region to undergo technical inspection.
 

Walrus

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She's arrived at the Great Bitter Lake; I see traffic has apparently been cleared all through the northern section with no ships heading southward in it at the moment. Not surprising that they want to do a survey on it; I wonder if they'll jump divers while the surveyors are checking out the inside of the hull. I don't know how they'll reach that, though, unless they pump all their forward ballast tanks (maybe jump divers inside as well?).
 

Freeholder

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I know nothing about the Suez Canal, but do know a little bit about tidal rivers, having spent part of my growing-up years living next to one on the Oregon Coast. Our house was -- by road, which was a shorter distance than the river's actual course -- about 8 miles upstream from the ocean. The tidal waters stopped just shortly upstream from our house. On-line calculator tells me that the tidal waters were extending at least 13 km. up the river. (This isn't taking into account some of the wide curves in the course of the river, which may have added another km or two to that figure.) So it would be quite possible for tidal waters to extend six km or more up the Suez Canal, depending on elevation changes and water flow.

Kathleen
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
So it would be quite possible for tidal waters to extend six km or more up the Suez Canal, depending on elevation changes and water flow.

I was skeptical until I ran the admittedly rough numbers. The thing that struck me about my estimate was that someone on the bank would never even see the water moving north in the canal. At .06mph, it would look like still water.

When I was about ten I sat on a bluff over the St Croix at Hudson and watched a green dye spot in the water. I don't know why it was dropped - hydro research or simulated rescue or whatever. It took over an hour before I realized it was moving upstream, and I was seeing an eddy. Made a huge impression on me, obviously. That's what it must look like at Suez. So I no longer doubted that they could get significant lift off the tide where the boat was stuck.
 
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March 29, 2021

Signs The Suez Canal Traffic Jam Was Intentionally Created To Help Bring The World To Its Knees Ahead Of The 'Great Reset'
- Something Rotten To The Core Is Going On As Globalists Consolidate Power In The Hands Of The Few

By George Stevens for All News Pipeline

The Suez Canal is one of the busiest waterways in the world. In 2020, over 18,000 ships used the canal. That is about 10% of all of the world’s global trade. One fourth of that traffic is by container ships. Some of that cargo includes cotton, oil for plastics, and auto parts. With COVID restrictions slowing container traffic, the blockage of the canal compounds the delays of not only goods but empty containers going back to be refilled.

(ANP UPDATES: According to this new story over at the NY Post, the Ever Given has finally been 'freed'! And according to CNBC, traffic on the Suez Canal is slowly being 'resumed'.)

So how did this grounding take place? Cargo ships have gotten larger in recent years to take on more containers because larger boats burn less fuel per container carried. Was the enormous size of the Ever Given a factor in the grounding?

Jumbo sized boats just as big as the Ever Given have been subjected to similar winds without incident before. So why was “wind” the initial reason given for the grounding?

Ian Woods, a marine cargo lawyer and partner with the firm Clyde & Co. said that it is likely that "a combination of factors" could have happened. He added "There's the exposure to the elements, potential for a loss of power, potential for steering problems. We'd expect a full investigation."

From my own experience I find it very unlikely that the ship would run ground and wind up at the angle it did from high winds unless the captain was completely incompetent. I can't imagine that an inexperienced or incompetent captain would be given charge of such large ship, but I suppose it could happen.

Yes the ship had a very high cargo load where the containers were stacked over 100 feet high. Looking at the way they were stacked shows a fairly even height the length of the ship with slightly shorter stacks at the bow. That would mean the wind would be acting fairly evenly from stem to stern to cause the ship to wander off course.

I haven't seen any reports of wind direction but in my opinion, it wouldn't make a lot of difference. The force applied to the ship would be fairly evenly applied for the length of the ship causing the side of the ship to scrape along the bottom on the downwind side of the ship. That is unless a sudden gust of wind hit only the bow of the boat.

Interesting to note is that the ship is equipped with two 3,400 HP bow thrusters to help it maneuver. That is a lot of power. So how did the ship come to rest with the bow on one side of the canal and the stern on the other side of the canal? Some force not only caused the bow to turn and run aground but also DROVE the stern into the opposite bank. Something just doesn’t add up.

That leads me to believe that it wasn't the wind. The ship had just traversed the entrance to the canal and was on a straight line course for over 15 minutes when it ran aground. If there had been a failure of the steering, one would think it would happen in the turns the ship had to make when it entered the canal. So rudder failure doesn’t sound like a good option either.

I have to ask the question. Was the grounding intentional? I suppose it is possible that a sudden gust of wind that only hit the bow of the ship could cause the bow to deviate. An alert captain would be present on the bridge to traverse a tight waterway and would be able to counter any deviation with the bow thrusters. In addition, there were not one but two pilots on board to guide the ship through the canal. You can’t tell me that they didn’t have the combined experience to keep that ship on course. In my opinion, that leaves one and only one possibility - the grounding was intentional.

So now the question – why? There is going to be a giant monetary loss for some who depend on the canal. On the other hand there are those that will reap a huge profit from its closure. There has been a lot of talk about the “Great Reset”. There is currently so much global debt that it will never be paid off.

The Great Reset will reinvent the financial world so that ultimately it will consolidate the global economy under the control of a very small group of people. Could this be part of their plan to remake the financial world?

A couple of other possibilities exist. There is the strategic importance of the canal and a possible impact to troop and military forces being moved around the world. Then there is the allegation that the Evergreen Company was the front for trafficking people. They may need to remove containers to refloat the ship. What would happen if they offloaded the containers and found some of them filled with people? Basically there are a lot of reasons for sabotage.

Hopefully the real reason for the grounding will come out and appropriate action will be taken. Personally, I doubt the true story will ever be known. Governments are great at hiding the truth for “national security” reasons. We will just have to wait and see how it all pans out.
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
Interesting to note is that the ship is equipped with two 3,400 HP bow thrusters to help it maneuver. That is a lot of power. So how did the ship come to rest with the bow on one side of the canal and the stern on the other side of the canal? Some force not only caused the bow to turn and run aground but also DROVE the stern into the opposite bank. Something just doesn’t add up.

One of our maritime experts should weigh in here, but it's my understanding that bow thrusters work only when the ship is essentially stopped. Any forward motion makes the bow thruster efficiency degrade quickly. So I don't expect they were using bow thrusters at all in the canal.

The ship had just traversed the entrance to the canal and was on a straight line course for over 15 minutes when it ran aground.

The record appears to indicate it was not on a straight track but was oscillating. It reminds me of a car losing control on a slick road - one way, then harder the other, then even harder the first way, until it flips.
 

Capt. Eddie

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One of our maritime experts should weigh in here, but it's my understanding that bow thrusters work only when the ship is essentially stopped. Any forward motion makes the bow thruster efficiency degrade quickly. So I don't expect they were using bow thrusters at all in the canal.



The record appears to indicate it was not on a straight track but was oscillating. It reminds me of a car losing control on a slick road - one way, then harder the other, then even harder the first way, until it flips.
Any thruster lose efficiency as speed increases, above 5 knots tunnel thrusters are completely ineffective. At speed the force of the water moving past the tunnel is greater than the force a tunnel thruster can create and attempting to use it would only cause a great deal of cavitation.
It's the same basic principle as hull speed. If you have a displacement hull you can only push it a given speed. Increasing power or propeller pitch only results in cavitation.
 

Walrus

Veteran Member
It's interesting to watch how the Suez Canal Authority is nibbling away at the traffic which was backed up. I notice this morning that they're apparently clearing the Great Bitter Lake (where the Ever Given appears to still be undergoing the various surveys and inspections felt necessary) with southbound traffic entering the lower part of the canal (which was coming from Port Said yesterday) while the upper section has been switched to northbound.

It took days for this canal traffic to pile up - looks like it's going to take days to clean it up. Movement appears to be pretty dense; I don't know what the normal traffic "rate" looks like, though.
 

jward

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Egypt seizes the Ever Given, saying its owners owe nearly $1 billion for Suez Canal traffic jam


Suez Canal races to clear shipping backlog

Container ship Ever Given was stuck in the Suez Canal from March 23-29, causing disruptions to global shipping that experts said could take months to resolve. (Reuters)
By
Antonia Noori Farzan
April 13, 2021 at 7:36 a.m. CDT
A few weeks ago, Egypt was frantically trying to get the massive container ship Ever Given out of the Suez Canal.
Now, authorities are saying the vessel is not allowed to leave.

In the latest complication to the ill-fated voyage, Egypt has seized the Ever Given over its owners’ “failure to pay an amount of $900 million,” the state-run news outlet Ahram Gate reported. That amount represents the total compensation that Egypt says it is owed for the six-day blockage of the Suez Canal, including lost revenue from ships that ordinarily would have traveled through the canal during that time, as well as costs for damage to the crucial waterway and the equipment and labor deployed in the 144-hour scramble to free the ship.

Since it was dislodged from the narrow section of the canal where it ran aground in late March, blocking commerce worth billions of dollars, the Ever Given has been anchored in Egypt’s Great Bitter Lake, at the midpoint of the canal. Twenty-five crew members, all Indian nationals, remain stuck on board.

The ruling allowing Egypt to seize the Ever Given was issued by a court in Ismailia, a city on the west bank of the canal, according to the Ahram Gate website. The Suez Canal Authority, which made the request, noted that Egypt’s maritime trade laws allow the “precautionary seizure” of vessels that have outstanding debts, including failure to pay the costs from an accident.
“The vessel will remain here until investigations are complete and compensation is paid,” Osama Rabie, chairman of the Suez Canal Authority (SCA), told Egyptian state television last week, according to the Wall Street Journal. “The minute they agree to compensation, the vessel will be allowed to move.”

But the National Union of Seafarers in India argues that refusing to let the crew off the ship amounts to holding them for ransom. “If the SCA has suffered losses, they can sort it out with those involved with the ship,” Abdulgani Serang, the union’s general secretary, told the Times of India on Sunday.

The Ever Given is owned by Shoei Kisen Kaisha, a Japanese holding company, but leased by Evergreen Marine Corp., a Taiwan-based conglomerate. Bernhard Schulte Shipmanagement, a German firm, was responsible for hiring the crew.
Egypt has not said which company it expects to pay for the damage, but Shoei Kisen Kaisha told the Journal last week that it was “in the middle of negotiations” with Suez authorities. The company has filed a lawsuit in British court aimed at limiting its liability for the incident.

Investigations of how the Ever Given became lodged sideways in the canal are continuing. In a recent interview, Rabie suggested the captain could have “made a mistake” with the ship’s steering or speed, according to Kyodo News. He emphasized that the two Suez Canal pilots who were on board to offer guidance were not ultimately responsible for making decisions and dismissed the idea that strong winds had pushed the ship off course.
Rabie did not cite any evidence or say how he arrived at that conclusion.
Updated April 5, 2021
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bw

Fringe Ranger
I thought when I pilot was on board navigation falls on their lap not the captain of the ship.

Pilots advise, captain commands. If the pilot wants a rudder adjustment, he'll say what he wants the helmsman to do, and then the captain repeats it and the helmsman does what the captain said.

There was a case a few years back in South America IIRC where the pilot was trying to get the ship stopped and the captain was essentially countermanding the pilot's instructions. When the ship crashed the bridge crew erased the voice recorder and blamed the pilot. The ship crew involved lost their licenses over that, I believe.
 

Macgyver

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Pilots advise, captain commands. If the pilot wants a rudder adjustment, he'll say what he wants the helmsman to do, and then the captain repeats it and the helmsman does what the captain said.
So if pilot says turn the rudder right 90 degrees in a canal then the captain refuses whats the protocol?

I'm just curious. I just remember seeing shows on like the science channel and when a pilot gets on the ship it always seemed that they took the controls.
 
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