[Sticker Shock] Pure Vanilla Extract

Walrus Whisperer

Hope in chains...
For the last couple years I have been buying 8 oz. bottles of pure vanilla extract from Wally World for less than 10$ for a bottle. I have maybe 4 or 5 of them(preps, you know). The very 1st one I bought is about half used up.

It suddenly disappeared from the shelf and ALL they have now is a cheesey little bottle for very near what I paid for the BIG bottle. Well, and imitation, yuck!

I almost fainted when I looked at Vanilla in the regular grocery stores here, it is nearing 25$ for an 8 oz bottle. Good grief! Whats going on there?

I'm going to get some beans and make a gallon or two, but jeez, they want a fortune for the beans, too.

Prep warning, stock up before it costs even more!
:sht:
 

Dinghy

Veteran Member
Check the Dollar Stores. Ours had pure vanilla extract for $1.50 for maybe 1oz bottles last year. I bought some to make Kahlua. I haven't seen it yet this year though.
 

Pogonip

Membership Revoked
I used up the last of my bottle, which I bought 15 years ago, went to buy another, and danged near hit the deck! $29 for 8 oz!

Got imitation for $2.50 instead...

In one of Maher's posts a couple months ago, mentioned a cyclone had wiped out most of Madagascar's vanilla plantations, causing the price to go from $54 a gallon of pure extract to ~$800~ a gallon.

Wonder how long it takes for vanilla to grow...
 

ARUBI

Inactive
Make your own;

Slit vanilla bean, add Vodka and bean to small slim jar. Store in dark place. It's ready to use in 2-3 weeks. Refill vodka as needed until color fades. Then add another bean. I've had the same bean for 4yrs. still good dark color.

Some info;


History


Vanilla originated in Mexico.
When the Spanish conquistador arrived in Mexico they dubbed it vanilla or little sheath. They brought it back to Europe and by the 1660s it was a popular flavor used with chocolate.
By the 19th Century vanilla had established itself as the most popular flavor in the ice-cream industry.
Today world production of vanilla beans averages between 2000-2400 metric tons per year.


Species


Vanilla is an orchid and belongs to the orchidaceous family. Of all the hundreds of varieties of orchids only two species are commercially grown to produce the vanilla (POD) or beans. They are V.Planifolia and V.Tahitensis. The principal growing areas are Madagascar, Indonesia, Mexico, Mauritius, Tonga and Tahiti. Pollination of the vanilla orchid outside of Mexico occurs by manual process during a short period of flowering, since there are no natural pollinators such as the melipone bees of Mexico.

Harvesting is done six months or so after fruit appears on the vines. Vanilla beans after harvest then undergoes a time consuming and laborious process of curing that gives it that unique and unmatched aroma and flavour. After picking it is first immersed in hot water very briefly to stop photosynthesis. The beans then undergo repeated drying in the sun for a couple of hours daily, wrapped in blankets or straw every night and when properly dried is then stored in ventilated storing rooms. After 3-4 months of this process the beans, brownish black in color, are then considered cured and ready to be sold in the market.
 

A.T.Hagan

Inactive
From the folks at Penzey's who make what I think is the finest vanilla extract to be found.

http://www.penzeys.com/cgi-bin/penzeys/p-penzeysvanillabeans.html
<i>Vanilla prices have gone up, and for that we are sorry. It seems that every force which can drive the price of spices up has occurred at the same time regarding Vanilla Beans. The cost of Vanilla has gone up insanely for us, and we have tried to pass on as little of the increase as possible, but Vanilla is just too expensive right now. As much as we love Vanilla, we are having a hard time using it ourselves at these prices. We hope very much that prices will come down, but we aren't sure of that. We just hope that next part of the cycle will be a decrease in prices, not another round of increases.</i>

I've been trying to do without except for those things that simply must have vanilla.

.....Alan.
 

A.T.Hagan

Inactive
<strong><big>Vanilla sky high</big>
A plain old bean carries a rather gaudy price tag. The result: a downgrade in flavor for Americans not willing to pay.</strong>

By Noel C. Paul | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

<i>One teaspoon of vanilla. It's an essential ingredient in hundreds of recipes, from cookies and cakes to ice cream and cream soda.

Americans have been cooking with the spice for centuries. For many consumers, a tiny bottle of vanilla extract is as common to their kitchen as bread and butter.

But a quick glance at the price tag on that bottle in any grocery store, and it might seem that the rich and creamy liquid is almost too precious to pour out.

In 2000, a 4-ounce bottle of pure vanilla extract cost consumers about $5. They now pay $15. On the commodities market, vanilla beans cost importers about $33 per kilogram in 2000. That cost is now about $156.

The high prices are changing the American pallet. Between 2000 and 2003, Americans began to buy much more imitation vanilla, according to market- research firm ACNielsen. The change has logically reshaped the character and caliber of certain baked goods and other snacks, say experts.

Moreover, worldwide demand for vanilla, which is primarily purchased by American food manufacturers, is projected to fall from 2,000 tons in 2000 to 1,500 tons by next year.

The result: Many food companies that make such treats as candy, cookies, and ice cream are taking vanilla out of their recipes altogether, or substituting artificial flavoring.

Vanilla's presence in the American kitchen and shopping cart is clearly declining, say experts, largely because of a crisis in production. The spice's troubling story shows the vulnerability of the most mundane food products, even in an age in which science promises to replicate everything from farm animals to fresh citrus.

Madagascar, an island off Africa's southeast coast, produces about 70 percent of the world's vanilla crop. Two unexpected events there - one political the other environmental - prompted vanilla's global price spike.

The first hit in 1994, when the International Monetary Fund required Madagascar to abandon price controls restricting the amount of vanilla its farmers could sell to buyers.

Soon after, the nation's vanilla reserves, which had numbered about 2,000 tons annually, were sold out.

The second surprise: A massive cyclone that ripped through Madagascar in the spring of 2000, destroying an estimated 25 percent of the nation's vanilla crop and more than 100 tons of inventory waiting for export.

The economic effect was swift. "Immediately, prices started to rise," says Matthew Nielsen, vice president of Nielsen-Massey Vanillas, a vanilla manufacturer in Waukegan, Ill. "Retail prices have gone up every month since and have doubled overall."

Consumers have responded by buying different varieties of extract. Sales of imitation vanilla extract jumped 4 percent between 2000 and last month, according to ACNielsen.

A two-ounce bottle of McCormick pure vanilla extract, for example, costs $7, while an eight-ounce bottle of the company's imitation vanilla flavor costs only $1.80.

Imitation vanilla tastes much less rich and textured than pure vanilla extract, say experts. But both products' essential ingredients are virtually the same.

Vanillin, the vital chemical that gives natural vanilla its flavor, is also the key ingredient in most bottles of imitation vanilla.

But most vanillin does not come directly from a vanilla bean. More often it is collected as a byproduct of wood-pulp or petroleum production. It is then combined with several other natural and artificial ingredients to create vanilla taste.

People who don't know the difference between a teaspoon and tea cozy probably won't care about substituting artificial vanilla in a recipe. But consumers who snack, which includes most of America, are probably already tasting the vanilla downgrade in their candies, cookies, and ice cream.

McCormick, which manufactures pure and imitation vanilla for consumers and industrial clients, says many of its corporate clients have switched to a lower-quality vanilla. "There has definitely been an increase in that," says Laurie Harrsen, McCormick's director of public relations.

"Typically [foodmakers] would prefer to use a vanilla of a lower quality and cost rather than pass price increases on to consumers," adds Rick Brownell, vice president of vanilla products for Virginia Dare, a flavor manufacturer in New York City. The company estimates worldwide demand for pure vanilla has declined 35 percent over the last two to three years.

The use of a lower-quality vanilla will probably continue for several years, say experts, because food manufacturers want to avoid changing their recipes and product labels too often.

The trend will likely reverse a tendency by manufacturers to use natural flavors instead of artificial ones. "There has been a trend and will continue to be a trend to replace pure vanilla with other things or drop it from the product entirely," says Mr. Nielsen.

But some food manufacturers are reluctant to switch. Virginia Dare has one client that it describes as a "super-premium" ice cream maker which will not downgrade vanilla because it believes their customers will notice.

Instead, producers like these, and the spice and flavor industries at large, have been searching for new ways to grow vanilla. But geography has hindered their efforts. The cultivation of vanilla beans, which grow from several species of orchids, is restricted to tropical climates within 20 degrees of the equator, with average humidity above 80 percent.

Though cultivation has spread to countries like Costa Rica, Indonesia, and Uganda, efforts to match the success of Madagascar have failed.

One obstacle is disease, which plagues vanilla more than almost any other spice in the world. "Whatever you think is pretty and good to eat, a virus or a bug wants to get in and eat too," says James Reddekopp, who is in charge of the vanilla fields farmed by the Hawaiian Vanilla Co. on Hawaii's main island.

For example, China's large vanilla crop on an island in the South China Sea was ravaged by disease in the mid-1990s. China hasn't attempted to grow vanilla since.

An added burden is the old-world techniques required for harvest the bean. The flower on each vine blooms for only four hours each year, at which point it must be hand pollinated. (At the Hawaiian Vanilla Co., one woman is responsible for pollinating about 800 blossoms each day during the spring.)

But the vanilla industry's ultimate spoiler is weather. The humid tropical climate necessary to grow vanilla also exposes the crop to more incidents of extreme weather.

After suffering several blows from storms in 2000, the industry was hit last fall by more rain and colder temperatures in Madagascar than expected, which reduced the number of blossoms.

"The 2003 crop is expected to be the worst ever in the history of Madagascar," says Ms. Harrsen, who says McCormick's response has been to further diversify the countries from which it imports vanilla.

Still, dozens of companies linked to the vanilla industry have been secretively looking into ways to grow the vine in a controlled environment in Europe and the United States.

One experimental technique: hydronponics, in which soil is eliminated from the process and the vines are suspended entirely in water.

"These experiments have been going on since the early 1990s and haven't born any fruit yet," says Mr. Brownell.

The failure of technology to replicate the balance of nature's laboratory will continue to make the spice vulnerable to price fluctuations.

But consumers who bake and snack can expect a sweet reward for their patience. By 2005, the vanilla beans that didn't sprout last year will have been picked and cured, and several other growers attracted by the industry's current level of high profits will have cultivated more vanilla vines.

"It's a pendulum," says Brownell. "And I'm telling my customers it's just about to turn."</i>
 

Walrus Whisperer

Hope in chains...
I love the smell of vanilla, its used sparingly at our house-only in baked goods. Sometimes when I open the bottle up to put some in cookie dough I just stand there and smell it.
Great article, ya learn something every day in this place, huh?

Wait till you see where imitation vanilla comes from, ewwww!

http://www.vanilla.com/html/facts-extracts.html

All about Vanilla Extracts and Flavors
Originally, everyone used vanilla beans. Vanilla extract has been commercially available for a little more than a hundred years. The first extracts were made at apothecary shops (the first pharmacies and drug stores) and were more like a tincture or syrup. They were strong and very sweet and were often used to calm upset stomachs. Now extracts are available just about everywhere - in convenience stores, supermarkets, fancy gourmet shops, and online. Along with extracts, there are additional products to choose from: natural vanilla flavor, cookie vanilla, imitation vanilla, vanilla blend, double-fold vanilla, vanilla paste, vanilla powder, etc.

Pure vanilla gives us one of the most complex tastes in the world, having well over 250 organic components creating its unique flavor and aroma. I'm often asked if one type of vanilla is better than the other. In truth, they're just different so it's a matter of your own personal taste. Even the same species of vanilla beans grown in different parts of the world will vary in flavor and aroma due to climate and soil differences. While some beans are higher in natural vanillin content than others, this isn't the only indicator of flavor or quality.

How do you decide which product to buy? Your preference may be influenced by what your family traditionally used for vanilla flavoring, the taste to which you are accustomed. The following list explains more about the products on the shelf. You may want to experiment some to decide which appeals to you.

Pure Vanilla Extract
There are about 150 varieties of vanilla, though only two are used commercially--Bourbon and Tahitian. Vanilla extract is made by percolating or macerating chopped vanilla beans with ethyl alcohol and water. The process is usually kept as cool as possible to keep flavor loss to a minimum, though some manufacturers feel that there must be heat to create the best extraction. Most companies use a consistent blend of beans, sometimes from several regions, to create their signature flavor. The extraction process takes about 48 hours after which the extracts will mellow in the tanks with the beans from days to weeks, depending on the processor, before being filtered into a holding tank where the amber-colored liquid extract remains until being bottled.

While the Federal Food and Drug Administration has specific regulations in the United States regarding commercial extract manufacturing, there are variables that create significant differences in extract flavor and quality. For instance, the FDA requires a minimum of 13.35 ounces of vanilla beans to a gallon of a minimum of 35% alcohol to 65% water mixture.

There are no regulations on the quality of the beans, so beans can range from premium-quality to the driest cuts and splits containing only small amounts of natural vanillin. Although 35% is the standard alcohol requirement, premium vanilla extracts often contain a higher percentage of alcohol in order to extract more flavor from the beans. More alcohol is okay with the FDA; less than 35% is not.

The extract may also contain sugar, corn syrup, caramel, colors, or stabilizers. All additives must be on the label, but the FDA doesn't require that the percentage of additives be listed. As vanilla is naturally sweet, it isn't necessary to use additional sweeteners, though some companies use 25% or more sugar in their extracts and some use only a small percentage of sugar as a stabilizer. Adding 20% or more sugar to a newly made extract is like fortifying any alcoholic product. It takes the edge off the harshness of the un-aged product, which is, at least partially, why some companies continue to use a significant amount sugar in their flavorings. Extracts made with premium beans and little to no sugar offer a fresh clean flavor to cuisine. Though these extracts may be expensive, the flavor is cleaner and it carries well to the finished product. Vanilla ages during the time that it goes through the channels from factory to your shelf. Some companies hold the extracts in their manufacturing area for up to a year to make certain the extract is well aged before they ship it out.

Vanilla extracts continue to develop body and depth for about two years, at which time they stabilize. They will keep indefinitely as long as they're stored in a cool dark place such as a pantry or cupboard that's away from the stove or bright sun. Refrigeration is not recommended.

Comparing extract quality is a lot like comparing whiskeys. There's a significant difference between low-end and call- or name- brand Bourbon and Scotch. Part of the difference has to do with allowing the whiskey to age properly, without the use of chemical additives. The same is true for vanillas. Premium extracts may be more expensive, but the flavor will be significantly better because they've been made from the finest ingredients, contain few if any additives, and are naturally aged. This means that your fabulous secret family recipe cookies will be even better if you use quality vanilla extract.

Varieties of Pure Vanilla Extracts
Mexican vanilla is made from Vanilla planifolia (now sometimes called fragrans) plant stock indigenous to Mexico. It is a very smooth, creamy, spicy vanilla. It's especially good in desserts made without heat or with a short cooking time. Dark chocolate, cream desserts, alcoholic and non-alcoholic beverages, ethnic foods, wild game, poultry or meat, all benefit from Mexican vanilla.

Bourbon vanilla is a generic term for Vanilla planifolia, the vanilla most of us are familiar with as it's the most commonly used variety in extracts. Vanilla planifolia stock originated in Mexico, vanilla's birthplace, but cuttings were taken to other tropical countries beginning in the 1700s. In the 1800s, the French developed large plantations on Reunion, known then as the Ile de Bourbon, which is how the name Bourbon came into being. Although vanilla extract is high in alcohol content, it is not made from Bourbon whiskey.

Bourbon and Mexican vanillas have the familiar natural vanillin flavor that we associate with vanilla ice cream and other vanilla-flavored desserts and beverages. Use Bourbon vanilla in baked goods, ice cream and anything where a traditional vanilla flavor is desired.

Indonesian vanilla Depending on how Indonesian vanilla is cured and dried, it can be much like Bourbon vanilla, or it can have very distinctive differences. Some growers harvest their beans too early and use a short-term curing process that give the vanilla a more woody, phenolic flavor. As the early harvest keeps the beans from fully developing their flavor profile, it can be harsher and not as flavorful. It's important to note that not all Indonesian vanilla is harvested too early; premium grade Indonesian vanilla is excellent.

Frequently Indonesian vanilla is blended with Bourbon vanilla to create a signature flavor. Indonesian vanilla tends to hold up well in high heat, so anything slow-baked or exposed to high heat (i.e. cookies), benefits from Indonesian vanilla. Indonesian vanilla is also quite good with chocolate as its flavor overides the sweetness of chocolate and gives it a beneficial flavor-boost. Chocolate's popularity is due, in part, from the sparkle it receives from other flavors as it tends to be somewhat dull on its own.

Tahitian vanilla (Vanilla tahitensis) comes from planifolia stock that was taken to Tahiti. Somehow it mutated, possibly in the wild. It is now classified as a separate species as it's considerably different in appearance and flavor from Bourbon vanilla. It is similar, however, to Vanilla Pompona, a variety of vanilla rarely used commercially, but that has religious and cultural significance with the Totonacas of Mexico, the first cultivators of vanilla. They consider Pompona the queen of vanilla, and she is always planted in a prominent place wherever they grow vanilla.

Tahitian vanilla is sweeter and fruitier and has less natural vanillin than Bourbon and Mexican vanilla. Instead, it contains heliotropin (anis aldehyde), which is unique to its species. This gives it a more cherry-like, licorice, or raisiny taste. It has a very floral fragrance, the bean is fatter and moister than Bourbon vanilla, and contains fewer seeds inside its pod. Tahitian is especially nice in fruit compotes and desserts, as well as in sauces for poultry, seafood and wild game. My recommendation is to try both to see if you have a personal preference. If you still can't decide, combine the two flavors to create your own blend.

Because vanilla is a very labor-intensive agricultural product, vanilla is expensive. Tahitian vanilla has always been more expensive than Mexican and Bourbon vanillas. This is especially true now as it is less readily available.

Natural Vanilla Flavor
People who prefer not to use an alcohol-based extract can substitute natural vanilla flavor found in natural and specialty food stores and some supermarkets. It usually is made with a glycerin or a propylene glycol base. Although the flavor comes from vanilla beans, it doesn't fit the FDA profile for extracts, so it must legally be called natural vanilla flavor.

Note: The texture of natural vanilla - especially in a glycerin base - is viscous and a little darker than vanilla extract. It also smells somewhat different. In uncooked foods and beverages it tastes fairly similar but with a slight aftertaste; in cooked or baked foods, it's more similar to extract.

Vanilla - Vanillin Flavoring
Vanilla flavor is a mixture of pure vanilla extract and synthetic substances, most commonly, synthetic vanillin. (Note: this product cannot legally have "natural" on the label.) There are a couple of common brands that contain a blend of natural and synthetic vanillas. If you grew up with a natural/synthetic blend, this may taste more familiar to you than a pure extract.

Imitation Vanilla
Imitation vanilla is a mixture made from synthetic substances, which imitate part of natural vanilla smell and flavor. Imitation vanilla in the United States comes from synthetic vanillin, which mimics the flavor of natural vanillin, one of the components that gives vanilla its extraordinary bouquet.

The first synthetics were made in Germany in the 1870s because pure vanilla was so expensive that only the wealthy could afford it. It was first made from coniferin, the glucoside that makes some pines smell a little like vanilla. In the 1890s a French chemist created a synthetic from euganol, found in cloves. The two most common sources for synthetic vanillin have been Lignin Vanillin, a by-product of the paper industry, which has been chemically treated to resemble the taste of pure vanilla extract, and Ethyl Vanillin, which is a coal-tar derivative and frequently far stronger than either Lignin Vanillin or pure vanilla.

In the 1930s, the Ontario Paper Company, was struggling with the sulphite liquor, a by-product of paper making, which was polluting local streams near their plant. Company chemists realized it could be turned into synthetic vanillin, a viable but curious ecological solution to a big problem. If you grew up on synthetics, imitation vanilla will be a familiar flavor for you. Given the fact that vanilla isn't that expensive, you might consider learning to enjoy the real deal.

Natural Vanillin
Natural vanillin is one of the over two hundred organic components that make up the flavor and aroma of vanilla, and it's the one we most associate with vanilla. Vanilla beans sometimes have pure vanillin crystals that develop on the bean's surface. The crystals give off an iridescent sparkle in sunlight and are quite edible.

Coumarin
Coumarin is a derivative of the tonka bean, which comes from Dipteryx ordorata, a tree native to Brazil. Some of the organic constituents that make up its flavor are similar to, or the same as, those in pure vanilla. Coumarin is frequently found in synthetic vanillas from Mexico, Central America and the Caribbean as it's cheap and it makes synthetic vanilla taste more like the natural. Unfortunately, coumarin is considered toxic, especially to the liver, and potentially carcinogenic, and has been banned from the United States since the 1950s. (Dicumarol, which is a derivative of coumarin, is the active ingredient in certain blood-thinning medications, and is legal in the United States.)

Cookie Vanilla
Cookie Vanilla is a brand name for a blend of vanillas created by one of the American vanilla manufacturers. It's a blend of Tahitian and Bourbon vanilla, which makes it sweet and floral. If you enjoy the flavor of Tahitian vanilla but feel pure Tahitian vanilla is too expensive for your budget, then use Cookie Vanilla or make your own blend of Tahitian and Bourbon vanilla extracts.

Vanilla Powder
There are several types of vanilla powders commercially available. Some are made from sucrose that has been ribbon-sprayed with vanilla extract, and some are a dextrose-vanilla extract mix. They are good for putting into beverages if you want a slightly sweet product that dissolves easily. You can also mix them into powdered or granulated sugar for a vanilla-flavored sugar and you can sprinkle the powders on finished foods such as cinnamon/vanilla toast or...on top of the family heirloom cake when it's warm from the oven. Be aware that many of the vanilla powders from Europe are actually synthetic. Check the ingredients list to see if it's natural or not.

Ground Vanilla Beans
Vanilla beans ground to a fine powder are sometimes confused with vanilla powder. Ground vanilla beans are sometimes used in commercial and industrial products. Ground vanilla is absolutely exquisite in food. Because it isn't in an alcohol carrier, you won't lose flavor when you cook or bake with it. As a result, you can use about half the amount of beans as extract.



Exhausted Vanilla Beans
Exhausted vanilla beans are the ground residue of the extraction process. They may still hold some flavor and are added to commercial vanilla ice creams (often called "vanilla-bean" ice cream), and other products. They are generally not used in home cooking.



Single Fold, Double Fold, etc.
The word "fold" connotes concentration in liquid vanilla extracts and synthetics. Single fold (written 1x) is the standard concentrate of pure vanilla extract. Double fold (2x) is twice as strong, and so forth. Concentrations can go up to 20-fold, but the extract isn't real stable above four-fold. In candy-making, where liquids can change the chemistry of the finished product, a multi-fold extract concentrate is useful.

Vanilla Paste
Vanilla paste is a sweet concentrated vanilla extract that has the vanilla bean seeds included in the mix. It is very useful in cooking when you don't want to add much additional liquid.

Vanilla Oleoresin
Vanilla oleoresin is a semi-solid concentrate obtained by removing the solvent from the vanilla extract. A solution of isopropanol is frequently used instead of ethanol for the preparation. Some flavor and aroma is lost during removal of the solvent, but it does contain essential oils. Vanilla oleoresin is used in non-food products. Unfortunately, it isn't always stable in candle and soap making, which is too bad, as it's considerably less expensive than Vanilla Absolute.

Vanilla Absolute
Vanilla absolute is the most concentrated form of vanilla. It is often used to in perfumes and other aroma-based products. Because it's so expensive, most candles, soaps, and other scented specialty merchandise, are made from synthetic vanillin. Vanilla Absolute is used in very high-end products in small quantities, often mixed with other fragrances in perfumes, for instance.
 

mzkitty

I give up.
I just paid $2.99 for a one ounce bottle of pure vanilla. It was one of only two left on the shelf in a small store. Oh well, at least I have a bottle. I will not use that imitation trash.
 

Todd

Inactive
We bought a gallon some time ago for what sounded like it was a lot of money. Guess it was lucky we did. There's still close to 1/2 gallon left.

Todd
 

MissTina

Inactive
mzkitty said:
I just paid $2.99 for a one ounce bottle of pure vanilla. It was one of only two left on the shelf in a small store. Oh well, at least I have a bottle. I will not use that imitation trash.

I do keep the imitation crapola around for making cookie dough for my kids to eat. Am I a terrible mother or what?
But only the finest almond or vanilla extract for my precious cookie boquets and cheesecakes!
 

nanna

Devil's Advocate
In one of Maher's posts a couple months ago, mentioned a cyclone had wiped out most of Madagascar's vanilla plantations, causing the price to go from $54 a gallon of pure extract to ~$800~ a gallon.

Yep.

The next time I went shopping I bought a few bottles of the good stuff at the old prices.

Thanks, Maher :)



nanna
 

It'sJustMe

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Imaginethat! said:
Glad to see you chime in here, IT! I was going to suggest checking with you. DH and I were Watkins reps for nearly 10 years. We finally dropped membership last year, because we hardly ever sold any products, we only kept renewing to get the products cheaper. But now I fully intend to buy from Imaginethat! when we run out of vanilla and black pepper. Both are superior to most store bought brands IMHO. Fresh and last a long time! And yeah, IT..we'll work out that discount behind the scenes..:ecrz: NOT! :lol: Seriously, try Watkins. You still have the trial sizes IT? It's Just Me
 

Matt

Veteran Member
reason to make your own extract!!

I do not buy vanilla extract. for aprox. $20 I make my own. believe it or not Super Target has vanilla beans 2 for $6.50 (cheapest I've found) Sam's Club has 1.75 liter Mccormick vodka for about $6-$7. for nice rich Vanilla extract use 4 vanilla beans cut into small pieces and drop them into the bottle of vodka and let sit for about 2 weeks. I usually shake the vodka 1x per day during that period. after two weeks you can strain it through a coffee filter but I just leave the beans in it for a more rich flavor.
This is the reason I started to make my own extract:
If 1.75 liters has aprox. 60 ounces and 1 ounce cost $1.50- 2.99 then you pay $90- $179.40 for 60 ounces. I pay $20 :D
 

Imaginethat!

Deceased
It'sJustMe said:
Glad to see you chime in here, IT! I was going to suggest checking with you. DH and I were Watkins reps for nearly 10 years. We finally dropped membership last year, because we hardly ever sold any products, we only kept renewing to get the products cheaper. But now I fully intend to buy from Imaginethat! when we run out of vanilla and black pepper. Both are superior to most store bought brands IMHO. Fresh and last a long time! And yeah, IT..we'll work out that discount behind the scenes..:ecrz: NOT! :lol: Seriously, try Watkins. You still have the trial sizes IT? It's Just Me


Thank-you IJM!!! I appreciate any and all orders!!!!

Imaginethat!!
 

MissTina

Inactive
Wilton Cake supply co has very good prices on their pure vanilla and almond extract and if you get a coupon in the Sunday paper at JoAnn's Fabric, Hobby Lobby or Michaels you can get them at 40% - 50% of normal price which is good to begin with.
 

Freeholdfarm

Inactive
Okay, this is going to sound dumb, but I don't drink, and have never in my life bought Vodka. If I did the vanilla beans in Vodka thing, I need to know what Vodka is made out of. My daughter and I have celiac disease and can't eat anything that has even the minutest trace of wheat, barley, rye, or oats in it. I've been having a problem with vanilla because it has either grain-based alcohol or caramel coloring, which is made from grains.

And does the Watkins dealer know what kind of alcohol is used in their vanilla? Is there any caramel coloring?

Thanks,

Kathleen
 

Dinghy

Veteran Member
I think vodka is made from potatoes. At least some is. I don't know if it would say on the bottles or not. Maybe you could do an internet search and find out for sure.
 

readerb

resident read-a-holic
For people that are looking for a good vanilla bean, Penzeys Spices (penzeys.com) sells both the Madagascar and the Mexican Vanilla Bean.

The (current) prices for these are:

1 bean @ $3.19
3 beans @ $8.49 (or $2.83 each)
15 beans @ $36.89 (or $2.45 each)

Seeing how their prices continue to go up, it may not be a bad idea to buy in bulk. If you really don't want 15 beans, maybe you could split an order so 2 (or more) people can share the savings & still get your vanilla needs met.. ??

As an fyi, I just compared their current prices to what they were 3 yrs ago.. In their Winter 2001 catalog, the price for 1 bean was $2.19.. Winter of 2003, 1 bean was $2.79..

Also, no change at all in price for Almond, Orange or Lemon extract.. Maybe using an alt extract is a viable option too?
 
Ok, this is a good idea = make our own. So exactly? how much vodka goes with how many vanilla beans?? I am coming into my big baking season and I don't use imitation.
(Caterers have to think of their reputations!!)
 

Never Mind

Inactive
Oops my bad...I missed this one...bump back up to the top as an FYI:
I had great results buying Madagascar beans on ebay. They were
FRESH!! Smelled WONDERFUL, and I am going to
go now to make my own extract with the last few beans - thanks for that recipe!

NM

p.s. of course buyer beware on ebay - be sure to check the seller's feedback,
etc etc...
 

Taz

Deceased
I don't know what the price is now as I am not in Mexico. But it was $19US per gallon in March. I bought what would be a large bottle at the grocery store for about $2.

Taz
 
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