ENVR Status of reservoir levels and rainfall in CA and AZ

Richard

TB Fanatic
I can only access (in the UK) some of the websites giving information about reservoirs in the US. As far as I can see the reservoir levels are holding up well from last years boost and many are almost full. Even Mead and Powell seem to be rising. I still read articles saying that levels will fall later on this year and next due to climate change etc etc.
This does not seem to be the case, I know it is still early in the year but so far things seem to be going well regarding long term water storage in that part of the US.
What is the view of members living in the area who obviously have first hand experience and information about the situation.
 

West

Senior
I can only access (in the UK) some of the websites giving information about reservoirs in the US. As far as I can see the reservoir levels are holding up well from last years boost and many are almost full. Even Mead and Powell seem to be rising. I still read articles saying that levels will fall later on this year and next due to climate change etc etc.
This does not seem to be the case, I know it is still early in the year but so far things seem to be going well regarding long term water storage in that part of the US.
What is the view of members living in the area who obviously have first hand experience and information about the situation.

Some dams are being removed in California,


To save the fish they say. Others are kept low to save the fish again. The fish are more important than the water for humans. And wildlife.

Not going to end well. Last dam built in California was in the 60s IIRC. They need more dams, not less. And fish hatcheries below the last dams on the drainages.. professional fish and wildlife management has worked better than expected and better than before the dams. But now they change the facts and global climate change, bla, bla, bla...bla....
 

ComCamGuy

Remote Paramedical pain in the ass
Some dams are being removed in California,


To save the fish they say. Others are kept low to save the fish again. The fish are more important than the water for humans. And wildlife.

Not going to end well. Last dam built in California was in the 60s IIRC. They need more dams, not less. And fish hatcheries below the last dams on the drainages.. professional fish and wildlife management has worked better than expected and better than before the dams. But now they change the facts and global climate change, bla, bla, bla...bla....


And the stuff that settled and concentrated in the reservoirs, once they are drained, will be concentrated in the runoff and kill all the wildlife that removing the dam was supposed to help. Shortsighted people who are destroying things
 

wobble

Veteran Member
I can only access (in the UK) some of the websites giving information about reservoirs in the US. As far as I can see the reservoir levels are holding up well from last years boost and many are almost full. Even Mead and Powell seem to be rising. I still read articles saying that levels will fall later on this year and next due to climate change etc etc.
This does not seem to be the case, I know it is still early in the year but so far things seem to be going well regarding long term water storage in that part of the US.
What is the view of members living in the area who obviously have first hand experience and information about the situation.
The emboldened part will be manipulated to appear this way if it does not occur through normal/natural depletion.
 

West

Senior
And the stuff that settled and concentrated in the reservoirs, once they are drained, will be concentrated in the runoff and kill all the wildlife that removing the dam was supposed to help. Shortsighted people who are destroying things
They where all drained a few weeks ago. Deer, water fowl, many aquatic species and raptors have all ready died, in the 100s of thousands.
 

ComCamGuy

Remote Paramedical pain in the ass
They where all drained a few weeks ago. Deer, water fowl, many aquatic species and raptors have all ready died, in the 100s of thousands.
and it will keep happening until all the concentrate is diluted sufficiently, and all the sediment is gone. It should only take a few hundred years. For examples of what concentrated minerals and such do, look at how long places with copper mining and such, how long ago it was stopped compared to the runoff watershed environment looks like, post fifty to one hundred years.
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
CA has been getting dumped on with rain. The people I know in N Cali have all the water they can deal with currently, but the very nature of California means that it is always either going to be burning up or mud-sliding into the Pacific.

Forget about climate change. I know you guys across the pond get nothing but indoctrination 24/7, but it's a tragic, expensive, destructive hoax, quasi-religion and huge power & money grab.
 

subnet

Boot
CA has been getting dumped on with rain. The people I know in N Cali have all the water they can deal with currently, but the very nature of California means that it is always either going to be burning up or mud-sliding into the Pacific.

Forget about climate change. I know you guys across the pond get nothing but indoctrination 24/7, but it's a tragic, expensive, destructive hoax, quasi-religion and huge power & money grab.
Then there is the yearly issue with them screwing up their calculations and letting out to much water from places like folsom dam and aww shucks, we dont have enough water all of a sudden, guess we have to keep the water regs in place.
 

Richard

TB Fanatic
CA has been getting dumped on with rain. The people I know in N Cali have all the water they can deal with currently, but the very nature of California means that it is always either going to be burning up or mud-sliding into the Pacific.

Forget about climate change. I know you guys across the pond get nothing but indoctrination 24/7, but it's a tragic, expensive, destructive hoax, quasi-religion and huge power & money grab.
I totally agree.
 

Richard

TB Fanatic
Will new dams ever be built to supply the increasing population of CA etc.


  • Dams play a crucial role in California’s water management.
    The state’s dry summers and frequent droughts require abundant storage to meet water demands. On average, more than 60% of the water used by cities and farms comes from rivers, and dams play a key role in regulating this supply. California’s nearly 1,500 reservoirs are part of the state’s water grid, which includes groundwater basins and thousands of miles of conveyance facilities to move stored water to where it is needed. Most dams and their reservoirs are owned and operated by local agencies and private companies. But state and federal agencies manage 240 large reservoirs that account for 60% of the state’s storage capacity.
  • Dams are operated to meet multiple objectives …
    The state’s dams provide multiple benefits in addition to storing water for cities and farms. Dams generate 15% of California’s electricity supply on average. Some are operated to capture runoff from winter storms. This is essential for reducing flood risk on the state’s large floodplains, particularly for cities in the Central Valley and Southern California. Dams support a large reservoir-based recreation industry. And in California’s highly managed water system, flow releases from dams are essential to meet the habitat needs of fish and wildlife.

Dams vary in size and ownership​

figure - Dams Vary in Size and Ownership

SOURCE: US Army Corps of Engineers National Inventory of Dams.
NOTE: Local dams include those operated by local agencies and private companies such as power utilities.
  • … but these objectives are often in conflict.
    Many large multi-purpose dams are operated with conflicting goals. For example, to manage floods, operators must release enough water to create space in reservoirs for winter floodwaters, which increases the chance that reservoirs will not be full in spring. Over the summer, when recreation demands are highest, reservoirs are drawn down rapidly to meet water and hydropower demands. Finally, many dams are required to conserve and slowly release cold water—which collects at the bottom of reservoirs—to support downstream salmon and steelhead runs. Managing these tradeoffs is becoming increasingly challenging as California’s climate warms and precipitation becomes more variable.
  • Many dams need infrastructure and operational upgrades.
    Two-thirds of California’s dams are at least 50 years old. Most dams were designed—and are currently operated—based on outdated assumptions about hydrology and earthquakes. More than 90 need major upgrades to better handle large floods or withstand earthquakes. Promising efforts are underway in some watersheds—including the Russian, American, Santa Ana, and Yuba Rivers—to update operations using advanced weather forecasting technology. Operations also need updating to account for changing patterns of precipitation and snowmelt, and to maximize storage in underground aquifers.

Most of California’s dams are more than 50 years old​

figure - Most of California’s Dams Are More than 50 Years Old

SOURCE: US Army Corps of Engineers National Inventory of Dams, California Department of Water Resources California Data Exchange Reservoir Information.
NOTES: Differences across counties are due to variation in both eligibility and take-up of the EITC. Eligibility hinges on adjusted gross income, and filers must have social security numbers and limited investment income. Most recipients have one or more dependent children.
  • New dams can improve flexibility, but costs are high.
    Increased surface storage could improve supply reliability in some regions. In 2018, the California Water Commission approved nearly $2 billion to support construction of two new reservoirs—Sites and Temperance Flat—and expansion of two others—Pacheco and Los Vaqueros. But this is only a small share of total funding needed. The US Bureau of Reclamation is also considering raising Shasta Dam. Although these investments would boost California’s reservoir storage by about 9%, annual deliveries would increase by about 1% of annual statewide water used by people and the environment. Improving operations of existing dams and the water grid to maximize groundwater storage is key for managing the hotter droughts and larger floods that climate change is expected to bring.
  • Some dams are ripe for removal.
    Reasons to remove a dam include high environmental costs, earthquake safety hazards, and reduced benefits—for instance, when reservoirs fill with sediment, they lose storage capacity. Over the past 30 years, more than 100 small dams have been removed in California. The 2015 breaching of San Clemente Dam on the Carmel River was the largest dam removal in state history. Several other large dams are targeted for removal, including Matilija Dam, four dams on the Klamath River, and Scott Dam on the Eel River.


Sources: US Army Corps of Engineers (National Inventory of Dams); California Department of Water Resources (Listing of Dams, California Water Plan Update 2013, California Data Exchange Reservoir Information); California Energy Commission (Energy Almanac), American Rivers (Dam Removal).
 

Delta

Has No Life - Lives on TB
This is my go-to site for snow pack report.

 

Pebbles

Veteran Member
Here in NW Arizona, we have had rain and snow this winter but we are far from having Lake Mead full. The bath tube ring at the Hoover Dam and Lake Mead is still quite apparent. It isn't possible to wipe out a decades long drought with two wet winters but our society wants instant results even from nature.......ain't gonna happen, but the fake news is letting us know the drought it over in California....all is just fine......(heavy sigh).
 

Hermantribe

Veteran Member
All of the lakes in my area (SW Riverside Co) are reservoirs. Last week, we were treated to the rare sight of the Canyon Lake Waterfall as the lake spilled into the San Jacinto River on its way to Lake Elsinore. Canyon Lake and the city of Lake Elsinore are constantly battling over who-gets-the-water. If Canyon Lake is full enough for the water sports it’s famous for, then water goes to the peasants to the west. Lee Lake a bit north (“LARGEST TROUT IN CA CAUGHT HERE”) is filling nicely- not quite at historical levels, but good. As long as they don’t build more homes nearby it should be fine. But oh wait, look at those new power lines going up. Guess it’s time for hundreds more houses. Sacramento is full of idiots- I mean bureaucrats, who are forcing the cities to build more high density housing but wont assist with the infrastructure needed.
 

john70

Veteran Member
no,no,no climate change is real
IMHO OF LIVING IN FLORDIA FOR 79 YEARS

THE CLIMATE CHANGES FROM YEAR TO YEAR, SOME ARE HOT AND SOME ARE COLD, SOME ARE WET

THE CLIMATE CHANGES FROM MONTH TO MONTH, SOME ARE HOT AND SOME ARE COLD, SOME ARE DRY

SOMETIMES WEEK TO WEEK, DRY, WET, COLD, HOT

WTF, SOMETIMES HOUR TO HOUR
 

Richard

TB Fanatic
I'd like to keep this thread active as it's probably the greatest long term "local" issue in the US and will be used for scaremongering by long term climate change mongers whatever happens good or bad. As far as I can see, all of the major CA reservoirs are brim full:


Can't paste map for some reason.

I'm not trying to say that CA's water problem is solved but it is in a much better position than only a few years ago.
However I know that Mead and Powell are still too low but the water storage position is much better generally. What is the opinion of those who live there.
 
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tech

Veteran Member
no,no,no climate change is real
IMHO OF LIVING IN FLORDIA FOR 79 YEARS

THE CLIMATE CHANGES FROM YEAR TO YEAR, SOME ARE HOT AND SOME ARE COLD, SOME ARE WET

THE CLIMATE CHANGES FROM MONTH TO MONTH, SOME ARE HOT AND SOME ARE COLD, SOME ARE DRY

SOMETIMES WEEK TO WEEK, DRY, WET, COLD, HOT

WTF, SOMETIMES HOUR TO HOUR
Weather changes are short term.
Climate is longer term.
:)
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
In my lifetime I have noticed, plus the historical and geographic records confirm, that California going through both periods of prolonged drought and sustained rain are normal. I was concerned for a few years there that they might be having another super-drought, which is in the geological records; most last about 20 years or so, but at least one was several hundred years long. But the rains came back, the way they always did when I was growing up and even after the six-year drought when I lived there as an adult.

These are only "climate change" (I know, Richard, not your words) in the sense that we live on a Planet, and sometimes the climate changes. But some coastal areas like both California and Ireland can see some pretty drastic "change" within the period of a few years or even centuries.

Both face large oceans to the West of them with varying current, storm, and jet stream patterns. While Ireland doesn't have modern-style weather records for the last fifteen hundred years or so, we do have the "Farming Anuals" kept by the monasteries from about 500 to about 1500 AD. They don't cover every year, but there is enough of them to suggest that when you live on the edge of the Atlantic, nearly any weather is "normal." From years when snow fell from October to March, to years when it rained all year long and all the crops were lost. Also, years when things were dry and the bogs caught fire.

California is very similar. Instead of the North Atlantic Current, they have the El Nino and La Nina Currents in the Pacific, which in modern times are easier to predict (up to a point) than the North Atlantic Oscillation. But they are only predictable up to a point. There have been years of "La Nada" meaning the current seemed to go away for a time, then it swings back to one pattern or the other.

So far, California has not returned to the rain patterns of the middle of the 19th century, when the Central Valley became a huge lake with ferry crossings, and the water stayed for two years. People thought the new Inland Sea was permanent until it dried up. Today, dozens of cities and towns would be drowned if this happened, as would what used to be good farmland (I gather much of that is gone; I saw that myself a few years ago).

But people have short memories and tend to forget that geologically, the time period between the middle of the nineteenth century and now is a blink of the eye for the Earth.

Friends tell me it is still wet in most places, but I haven't personally heard from any of them being flooded yet (at least not in the last month or two). Though I gather the Big Sur Highway has washed out in at least one place, I suspect someday that road will be abandoned.
 

Pebbles

Veteran Member
The whole "climate change" bandwagon drives me crazy. We live on a planet and universe that is alive. It changes all the time. I live in the high desert. We have had some years where we had so much rain that long forgotten springs ran for months, the last that happened was 2005. I rarely had to water my garden that year. But all that vegetation that grows from winter and spring rains dries up within days when the temperature hits 95 on a steady basis. Then it is a fire hazard. Just life on planet earth, weather cycles come and go, not because of man but because that's the way our beautiful planet works.

But the hubris of Godless, modern man insists it is man that is in charge not God. We will soon suffer from this arrogant belief either because the planet and universe will show us humans the vast devastation of a huge solar flare, pole shift or meteor strike or the Lord is going to step onto the scene and end it all. Just my two cents.
 

Ractivist

Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
It ebbs, it flows. It inhales, it exhales. It consumes, it shits..... it is what it is. And man should just respond to the minor changes. Not lie thru their teeth about how they can kill you by faking like they are saving the planet.
 
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