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A snippet of info on Project Solar.


The Power Bank 600 is your ultimate go-to solution for lightweight backup power. Whether you're on the move or embracing outdoor adventures, this versatile companion keeps your devices charged and ready. No more dreaded dead battery scenarios -- the Power Bank 600 is the perfect companion for keeping laptops, smartphones, tablets, and all essential devices fully charged, no matter where your busy schedule takes you. Plus, with portable solar panel options, you can harness the sun's energy to stay powered up and in control.

ELEVATE YOUR POWER: The Power Bank 600 is engineered with cutting-edge technology and premium materials for exceptional performance. Crafted with Grade A Lithium Iron Cells, it retains over 99% charge per year – unmatched reliability you can rely on.

UNLEASH YOUR ADVENTURE: Embrace portable power with the Power Bank 600, weighing just 20lbs. Slip it into your backpack, ready to energize your journey. Whether capturing moments, navigating, or running essential devices like camping lights, this compact powerhouse has your back.

EFFORTLESS CHARGING: Recharge with ease using various options – standard AC, solar, or car charging. Simultaneous charging lets you power multiple devices, keeping you connected and ready for whatever comes your way. Experience true convenience and freedom.
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Not only is the Power Bank durable and long-lasting, it's also incredibly easy to use. Just plug it in to charge, power up with the push of a button, and instantly see the watts you're using. Say goodbye to feeling powerless – try it today risk-free. Your satisfaction is guaranteed with our 30-Day Money Back Guarantee. Power up and take control!

Order now and start enjoying all the benefits of the portable Power Bank 600!

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• POWER BANK 600 - $699.00 Value
FREE Shipping & Handling - $189.00 Value

TOTAL VALUE: $888.00

We recognize the importance of having a dependable power source at all times, which is why we're dedicated to providing as many Americans as possible with portable energy solutions.

TODAY'S PRICE: $499.00

You Won't Regret It!

 

Crawlingtoy

Veteran Member

bw

Fringe Ranger
I've built battery boxes with equivalent circuitry. You can get the functionality for considerably less if you have the skills, but if you don't this is a nice compact solution. I have no opinion on the price of the OP model compared to others. I won't have lithium batteries anywhere near me because I don't want the house to burn down, so take that into account when shopping.

The shipping and handling fee of $189 is outrageous. Don't know where they got that.
 

dvo

Veteran Member
There are a lot of these contraptions on Amazon for sale. My wife felt the need, so we have one. Along with a good size solar panel to charge it. How useful will it be? I don’t know. And yes…a lithium ion battery. That gives me pause, but I also use smaller versions on many of my power tools. Our new residence is pre setup for a whole house generator. We will get an estimate in the near future.
 

Jeep

Veteran Member
I would stay away from the word salad website and get a known brand from a reputable source.

This is what we have, and it works quite well and are happy with it. We also have a Jackery 880 that I take out camping and use it running my HF Ham radio and accessories outside, again with no issues. The only issue with my Jackery is that the solar panels that came with the power station are not waterproof, but I can use different brand solar panels that are waterproof with an adapter.
 

cupid's romance

Contributing Member
A snippet of info on Project Solar.


The Power Bank 600 is your ultimate go-to solution for lightweight backup power. Whether you're on the move or embracing outdoor adventures, this versatile companion keeps your devices charged and ready. No more dreaded dead battery scenarios -- the Power Bank 600 is the perfect companion for keeping laptops, smartphones, tablets, and all essential devices fully charged, no matter where your busy schedule takes you. Plus, with portable solar panel options, you can harness the sun's energy to stay powered up and in control.

ELEVATE YOUR POWER: The Power Bank 600 is engineered with cutting-edge technology and premium materials for exceptional performance. Crafted with Grade A Lithium Iron Cells, it retains over 99% charge per year – unmatched reliability you can rely on.

UNLEASH YOUR ADVENTURE: Embrace portable power with the Power Bank 600, weighing just 20lbs. Slip it into your backpack, ready to energize your journey. Whether capturing moments, navigating, or running essential devices like camping lights, this compact powerhouse has your back.

EFFORTLESS CHARGING: Recharge with ease using various options – standard AC, solar, or car charging. Simultaneous charging lets you power multiple devices, keeping you connected and ready for whatever comes your way. Experience true convenience and freedom.
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Not only is the Power Bank durable and long-lasting, it's also incredibly easy to use. Just plug it in to charge, power up with the push of a button, and instantly see the watts you're using. Say goodbye to feeling powerless – try it today risk-free. Your satisfaction is guaranteed with our 30-Day Money Back Guarantee. Power up and take control!

Order now and start enjoying all the benefits of the portable Power Bank 600!

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• POWER BANK 600 - $699.00 Value
FREE Shipping & Handling - $189.00 Value

TOTAL VALUE: $888.00

We recognize the importance of having a dependable power source at all times, which is why we're dedicated to providing as many Americans as possible with portable energy solutions.

TODAY'S PRICE: $499.00

You Won't Regret It!

Thank you for adding tbe detail. I couldn't figure out how to get it there.
 

cupid's romance

Contributing Member
I've built battery boxes with equivalent circuitry. You can get the functionality for considerably less if you have the skills, but if you don't this is a nice compact solution. I have no opinion on the price of the OP model compared to others. I won't have lithium batteries anywhere near me because I don't want the house to burn down, so take that into account when shopping.

The shipping and handling fee of $189 is outrageous. Don't know where they got that.
Thanks. I have no experience so looking for a package. Good to know on the Lithium battery. I will keep that in mind.
 

Jeep

Veteran Member
The one I was looking at said it would handle a full size fridge and several other items. I am mostly looking for the fridge.
FYI, our power went out and after about 2 hours, I plugged in our EcoFlow and it did run the freezer for about 3 hours until the power came back on. IIRC it had about another 1 1/2 hours of power left on it to run the freezer when I unplugged the freezer.
 

Repairman-Jack

Veteran Member
I would stay away from the word salad website and get a known brand from a reputable source.

What he said...

EcoFlow, BluEtti, Jackery and a few others. "Word salad sites" or anything that slaps 'patriot' on site is my queue to run away from product.
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The one I was looking at said it would handle a full size fridge and several other items. I am mostly looking for the fridge.
600 watt for a full size fridge I would be skeptical about that.

We have a regular fridge and use a 2000 watt inverter.

I'm not an electrical guy by any stretch of the imagination, and may be on overkill, but still 600 watt seems extra small and may be for a full sized college dorm fridge.

We have some knowledgeable people on here that can guide you better than I on that.

2nd to that to recharge a solar genie, in adds I have seen, is done with an electric extension cord, plugged into the wall. As a first choice.

2nd choice like with a Jackery, is solar panels note the s. For a 600 watt will probably take a couple at least and are they a part of the price? How long is usage at full? And next is solar recharge time. How long is it? The usage is generally short as in 2 hours, and the recharge is long 24-48 hours. And some or all of that time will be under darkness or during a storm/cloudy.

For short emergency power (a tree falls on a power line and it takes the electric company some time to fix) they are probably a good investment. For long term, they would be more in the survival mode usage, and not all that great.

ETA: Ask the guys on here for the formula for converting ......amps (?) which is listed on the inside of your fridge to watts. That way you will know the minimum you will need and get something a little bigger.
 

cupid's romance

Contributing Member
600 watt for a full size fridge I would be skeptical about that.

We have a regular fridge and use a 2000 watt inverter.

I'm not an electrical guy by any stretch of the imagination, and may be on overkill, but still 600 watt seems extra small and may be for a full sized college dorm fridge.

We have some knowledgeable people on here that can guide you better than I on that.

2nd to that to recharge a solar genie, in adds I have seen, is done with an electric extension cord, plugged into the wall. As a first choice.

2nd choice like with a Jackery, is solar panels note the s. For a 600 watt will probably take a couple at least and are they a part of the price? How long is usage at full? And next is solar recharge time. How long is it? The usage is generally short as in 2 hours, and the recharge is long 24-48 hours. And some or all of that time will be under darkness or during a storm/cloudy.

For short emergency power (a tree falls on a power line and it takes the electric company some time to fix) they are probably a good investment. For long term, they would be more in the survival mode usage, and not all that great.

ETA: Ask the guys on here for the formula for converting ......amps (?) which is listed on the inside of your fridge to watts. That way you will know the minimum you will need and get something a little bigger.
I was looking at the powerbank 2000. So bigger than the 600. It says it will run a full size frig for 20 hours. Maybe that is exaggerated?
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I was looking at the powerbank 2000. So bigger than the 600. It says it will run a full size frig for 20 hours. Maybe that is exaggerated?
I wouldn't know, not really, BUT I would take the ad at face value, but would inquire as to the definition of "full size". In other words have them covert Full Size into watts. Check your fridge for watts, and anything over "there" definition would reduce hours.

Would also bear in mind that 20 hours is not a full day. However you can extent that by only putting the refrigerator on a two hour recharge at a time. Like once a day for 2 hours, and only open the fridge once during the recharge time. So you don't need to keep the fridge on recharge 24/7. Then keep the solar genie on the solar panels the rest of the time. Which as you know only works or works best in full sun.

The Jackery 2000 watt I think I remember using 4 solar panels with a 24-48 hour recharge, or a 2 hour recharge with a plug in electric.

When I was looking at the Jackery a couple of years ago the 2000 watt was 2000.00 and the 4 (or however many it was) solar panels to go with it was also another 2000.00. That may have changed since then.

On another level you will also need to get some big thick extension cords. Like 12/3 or 10/3 to carry the load, those small things you get at walmart won't do.
 

cousin vinny

Contributing Member
Project Solar - Solar Battery Kit


Is anyone familiar with PowerBank by project solar? It is a full solar generator set up for $1,994. I am not sure if it is a scam or a piece of crap. Appreciate anyone's advice. Thanks
I bought a eco-flow 3400w from Costco free delivery for 2300 it came with a 400 watt solar panel. It is expandable and works great for back up power.
 

colonel holman

Veteran Member
Loup is sure to school us well on this question. Bottom line is know the wattage of whatever powered devices, appliances, lighting you need to run. Compare that to the number of watts that battery unit can put out… allowing you to calculate the number of hours of use you might have. Modify that by aggressive conservation such as running freezer only once a day, maybe less, since a closed full freezer has lots of thermal mass and insulation, 2x a day for refrigerator with very limited access, no hotplates or other heated devices, TVs, etc. Then do similar calculations for how fast a solar panel of a certain wattage might recharge the battery unit under whatever conditions.

Simply converting DC to AC output eats up wattage
 

hiwall

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The one I was looking at said it would handle a full size fridge and several other items. I am mostly looking for the fridge.
Our refrigerator uses 1100+ watts per day and it is a smaller fridge.
I do run our refrigerator and our 5 cf chest freezer on solar every day but we have 3000 watts of solar.
 

marsofold

Veteran Member
Our refrigerator uses 1100+ watts per day and it is a smaller fridge.
I do run our refrigerator and our 5 cf chest freezer on solar every day but we have 3000 watts of solar.
There is no such unit as watts/day. There is watts and watt-hours. I used my Kill-A-Watt meter (which measures watt-hours) on my small freezer and it consumed 90 watts average in summer. My 1 kilowatt peak power solar panels average 150 watts around-the-clock. This is because the sun only makes useful levels of power for about 5 hours per day, which averages to 1/5 the peak power = 21%. And since the solar charger, batteries, and inverter are not 100% efficient, the averaged output over 24 hours is actually 15% of max.

So if you want a 150 watts around the clock (a reasonable large fridge estimate), you need 1 kilowatt of panels. And you'll need 150 x 24 = 3600 watt-hour batteries if you use lithium batteries. Because lead-acid batteries can only be discharged 50% without damage, you'd need 7 kilowatt-hour batteries. I have 9 kilowatt-hours of solar batteries which weigh a total of 500Lbs. The little portable things are just toys for charging laptops and cell phones, not for running refrigerators 24-7. That is the hard-core math of solar! ;)
 
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Txkstew

Veteran Member
I've built battery boxes with equivalent circuitry. You can get the functionality for considerably less if you have the skills, but if you don't this is a nice compact solution. I have no opinion on the price of the OP model compared to others. I won't have lithium batteries anywhere near me because I don't want the house to burn down, so take that into account when shopping.

The shipping and handling fee of $189 is outrageous. Don't know where they got that.
There is a big difference between LiFepo4 batteries and regular Lithium ion batteries, even though they are all lumped together under that title. Here is an article that talks about their comparative dangers. I have 4 - 100 AH LiFepo4 next to my bed, connected in parallel. Is it safe to do so? The "experts " say it is.


pv magazine - Photovoltaics Markets and Technology


Not all ‘lithium-ion’ batteries are dangerous​

As the energy storage trend unfolds, stories litter the media landscape about lithium-ion batteries catching fire, and even exploding. It’s a valid concern, and the time for consumers to understand a basic truth about lithium-ion batteries is long past due.
SEPTEMBER 26, 2023 DAVID BLY
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LFP batteries in production.
Wikicommons
Lithium-ion battery deployment is proliferating exponentially in the U.S. Every cellphone, power tool and electric vehicle come with a lithium battery today, not to mention the 100 GWh or so of lithium batteries operating at the utility scale.
This makes a lot of consumers nervous. As this trend unfolds, stories litter the media landscape about lithium-ion batteries catching fire, and even exploding. It’s a valid concern, and the time for consumers to understand a basic truth about lithium-ion batteries is long past due.
The crucial point that’s either unknown or omitted in every one of the hundred horror stories you can find online about EV, utility and home battery fires, is that “lithium-ion” is a catch-all term. It doesn’t describe a particular type of battery. There are more than a dozen lithium-ion battery chemistries. Six of them have made it outside the laboratory. Three of them can be found on the market. Two of those are incredibly common, and the differences between them are so substantial that comparing them will serve as an excellent primer for the subject.
NMC
The first chemistry is lithium nickel manganese cobalt oxide or NMC. Up until about 2020, these were the undisputed leader of the market share of lithium batteries. In 2022, they still comprised some 60% of the market share. However, after so many (largely unreported) battery fires in early models of electric vehicles (EVs), and the subsequent shift by Tesla and a few other major EV manufacturers to the exclusive use of lithium iron phosphate (LFP) chemistry last year, this is expected to halve in short order.
NMC has an energy density roughly 10% (depending on manufacturer) better than LFP. In addition, they are significantly lighter than LFP in weight per kWh. This is largely responsible for its early adoption by industry. However, NMCs lackluster safety record, lifespan, and its increasing material cost has recently made LFP the preferred choice of nearly every industry sector in the last year.
The dangers of lithium-ion about which the public has been so repetitiously warned, are almost exclusively the dangers of NMC. A very low thermal runaway temperature reached in many real-world scenarios is primary. With temperatures breaking records every year in most parts of the country, ambient temperatures of 110°, or even 120°F are almost commonplace now in regions that had never seen them before the 2000s.
With most of the country’s grid suffering from insufficient and decaying infrastructure, coupled with increased demand for air conditioning in hot weather, a ‘perfect storm’ is created much more commonly now wherein NMC batteries attached to utility grids (whether in a garage or a utility storage facility) are called upon to export their maximum power capacities during the hottest ambient temperatures. Thus, their (alarmingly low) thermal runaway temperatures are reached, and you get cell explosion and battery fires.
Calls for evacuations in response to the larger of these incidents, aside from risks of explosion in the immediate vicinity, are issued by fire personnel because the gas emissions during an NMC cell rupture event are extremely toxic, containing several fluorine gasses as well as cobalt and manganese cenospheres well above toxic limits.
LFP
LFP or lithium iron phosphate, also known as LiFePO4, is a completely different chemistry. With a much higher thermal runaway temperature, (some 20° C higher depending on manufacture), the potential for cell rupture due to thermal runaway is well outside of normal operating conditions, even on the hottest of days.
Further, (and it seems obvious but still bears mention) iron doesn’t burn like manganese. Actual fires due to battery failure, on those rare occasions that they do occur, are limited to wires, and sometimes battery management system (BMS) printed circuit boards. Assuming that the battery casing conforms to NEMA or IP standards, cell fires cannot escape the case unless it’s been punctured.
Also, the findings of several experiments where cell explosion is forced, have confirmed using gas chromatography that the release of gasses during a cell rupture event are by far the least toxic (containing no transition metal aerosols in contrast with NMC) of the common three lithium chemistries.
If the decarbonization of U.S. energy infrastructure within our generation is a real goal, and not just election-cycle pillow talk, then the continued deployment of LiFePO4 batteries in tandem with the ongoing rapid deployment of solar and hydro renewable resources are absolutely paramount.
Let’s not do the public further injustice by promulgating terms like ‘lithium-ion batteries’ that for lack of distinction are turning us all away from the LFP solution that may yet afford a small chance of success, for fear of the early NMC deployment that even the profit-first-and-only markets have admitted was probably a bad idea.

 
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marsofold

Veteran Member
An off-grid friend of mine here in WV buries his lithium batteries because they cannot be charged below freezing (32F) without damage to the cells. Unless somebody lives in south Florida, this needs to be taken into account.
 

Txkstew

Veteran Member
An off-grid friend of mine here in WV buries his lithium batteries because they cannot be charged below freezing (32F) without damage to the cells. Unless somebody lives in south Florida, this needs to be taken into account.
Most LiFepo4 batteries are equipped with low temperature charge cutoff features in the Battery Management System, or BMS for short. Some solar charge controllers do as well. Both cost a bit more than without. My batteries don't have low temp cutoff, but they are in a climate controlled room.
 

marsofold

Veteran Member
Most LiFepo4 batteries are equipped with low temperature charge cutoff features in the Battery Management System, or BMS for short. Some solar charge controllers do as well. Both cost a bit more than without. My batteries don't have low temp cutoff, but they are in a climate controlled room.
Even if a BMS cuts off the charging to save the battery, it still doesn't charge. What will people do when it is 20F outside? I wouldn't keep them indoors in my house. A climate controlled building is great, but how many people would go that far?
 
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hiwall

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The LiFepo4 batteries I just bought says they can be used down to -4*F.

There is no such unit as watts/day.
There is at my house. I used a Kill-A-Watt meter on my appliances to see how many watts were used in 24 hours. That is the info I used to size my solar power system.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Basically, the last time I ran the numbers, that DELTA-MAX 2000 from Eco-Flow would cover both our CPAP's and the RV Refer, and a FEW HOURS of the AC over night....To cover overnight AC and CPAP and Refer we would need the next step up, or a 3000 Delta-Max.

In ref discarding any "PATRIOT!!!!!" I can understand the revulsion. HOWEVER, their duo-set considered to be the small unit that slots onto the LARGE one does look like a big enough set for my needs when we talk their 3800 unit.
 

Toosh

Veteran Member
For me it's more about the charge capacity. I mean you use it once, that's fine, but once the battery is dead you'll back to nothing. I'm thinking 2 or 3 days if running minimum loads, smartly.

Consider the 200w solar panel. That's not a lot. Here in KY we have about 4 hours of good solar charging on a great, sunny day. I didn't see the size of the battery, but do the math. You could be waiting several days for the battery to recharge.
 

marsofold

Veteran Member
The LiFepo4 batteries I just bought says they can be used down to -4*F.


There is at my house. I used a Kill-A-Watt meter on my appliances to see how many watts were used in 24 hours. That is the info I used to size my solar power system.
Again, there is no such unit in electricity or physics. You are using your meter (and I have the exact same one) to measure kilowatt-hours consumed in your chosen 24 hour interval, not watts per day.
 

tech

Veteran Member
Actually, watt is a unit of power equivalent to 1 joule per second...but watt hours (or kilowatt hours) is the term that should be used in the context here.

A climate controlled building isn't really necessary, but an insulated building can be helpful. My LiFePo4 batteries stayed above 50*F when the outdoor temps got into the upper teens for several hours. The heat from the inverters moderated the temperature enough. Add to that the thermal mass of a 38Kwh battery bank (1200 lbs) ;)
 

Nocm

Member
Are any of the units of any use in/after an EMP or do the individual components need special protection?
 

Nightingale

Contributing Member
Is it safe to put the BLUETTI battery in an EMP bag? Can it get damaged enclosed in the bag?

I debated if the batteries need protection but have decided they do as there are electronics built in.
 

BH

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I have two ecoflow delta pros (105 pounds each). Each supplies 3600 watt hours. I currently have 12 x 100w panels. One array is 800w and the other is 400w. One array supplies solar to one ecoflow box.

I am currently running my cable modem, router, 5 smart led lights, a 55 inch roku tv, sound bar, tablo ota box and an external antenna amp on one. This load is about 125 watts while watching tv and about 50 watts with the tv off. Daily load is under 1800 watts which allows about 48 hours on a full battery. Currently have the 400 watt array on this system and a sunny day gives me back about 1000 watts in addition to carrying the load, so I need to add another 4 panels to this one.

The other system, 3600 watts, 800 watt solar. Currently running a full size freezer, dorm room size fridge, small ice maker, bar lights and a 32 inch roku tv. Load is about 230 watts with freezer and fridge running, about 125 watts for just freezer and 0 watts when nothing is running. Average draw is about 90 watts / hour or 2200 watts per 24 hours - making full battery last about 40 hours. On a good sunny day, the 800 watt solar tops the battery back off. In good weather this system takes care of itself.

These units have the ability to set a battery reserve level in percent where the grid will be used to carry the load and supply enough charge to hold the battery at the reserve level. This supplements the solar when needed. I have a 3500 watt quiet generator to replace the grid during power outs.

Did some math though. My current grid cost is 11 cents / kwh from power company. Using a 10 year life, my battery / solar power cost about 70 cents / kwh. This is not a money saver, but the comfort of having sustainable entertainment, lights, internet and refridgeration justifies the cost and effort for us.

We plan on including our well in our battery based system at some point, but other household projects need to be next. Once our leaves come back out, final placement of the solar and the possibility of starlink will be explored.

I also have a 720 watt ecoflow battery unit (16 pounds) that we use for charging our devices. I have panels for this unit, 160 watt portable, but currently this unit is charged by the grid. This will become portable power where needed in a grid down situation.

eta - when the units switch between battery and grid, there is an interruption in the ac supply. This was enough to knock down the router and cable modem. I added a standard computer ups to these devices to prevent the disruption.
 
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