FARM Solar fence charger and fence?

pauldingbabe

The Great Cat
Hey all, I am here to pick your brains!

So I have a little homestead here and am looking for moveable electric fence and a solar fence charger.

We had chickens (notice the had) up until last year and am looking to get more. This time around I would like to contain/ protect them a little better. I want them free roaming but I would like to limit the area and move them around to where I need them.

So...Any thoughts?

Thanks.
 

mechanic 217

I was told there would be cookies!
Hello, try googling "CHICKEN TRACTOR" may be better from a protection standpoint than an electric fence setup.
 

jward

passin' thru
I would suggest you review premier1supplies.com. They've a good name, and their product lines were well spoken of, at least 5+ years ago when i was looking into options. G'luck to you.
 

Walrus Whisperer

Hope in chains...
I have seen ads for an electrified moveable fence for chickens with step in posts. When I went and looked, the above place was one place supplying them. We have a murdochs here and ive seen them for sale there.... Im going home to take care of my1 week old 8 Buff orps and 9 silver laced wyandotte chicks, and the turkey and the flock of grown gals...
:chkn: :chkn: :chkn:
 

NCGirl

Veteran Member
I will second Premier 1, using their latest catalog as a mousepad in fact. Love them.

For solar fence chargers I recommend one brand, ParmaK. I have tried several other brands and they are the only one that has lasted. I have a 12 volt, instead of the 6, and it will heat up quite well.
 

Faroe

Un-spun
I was a very happy Premier Customer for many years. Unfortunately, the last two chargers we purchased were expensive junk, and the testers they send with them don't last either. We are probably just going to get a pair of Marema LGD's after we move. I've had it with that company, and don't plan to order from them again.
 

Snyper

Veteran Member
I was a very happy Premier Customer for many years. Unfortunately, the last two chargers we purchased were expensive junk, and the testers they send with them don't last either. We are probably just going to get a pair of Marema LGD's after we move. I've had it with that company, and don't plan to order from them again.

Dogs won't take the place of good fencing, and won't be much help at all with birds.
Unless you have sheep or goats I'd forget about getting LGD's.
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
That electrified netting is nice, but it isn't cheap. Still doesn't protect from hawks and such though and I'd still run them into a closed coop at night.
 

Faroe

Un-spun
Dogs won't take the place of good fencing, and won't be much help at all with birds.
Unless you have sheep or goats I'd forget about getting LGD's.

We do have goats. They are contained with regular wire fencing. I didn't get the netting to keep the birds or goats in - the birds roam the greater yard anyway, and that is fine with me. I just wanted to keep predators out at night. The fence has worked well for that, but I went back to the old charger that I had attempted to replace because the new ones were just not reliable.
 

Faroe

Un-spun
That electrified netting is nice, but it isn't cheap. Still doesn't protect from hawks and such though and I'd still run them into a closed coop at night.

I've seen hawks pick off the ring neck doves, and we also have owls. I lost a beloved banty who only roosted alone in an open shed. The hens get closed in every night.
 

Old Gray Mare

TB Fanatic
That electrified netting is nice, but it isn't cheap. Still doesn't protect from hawks and such though and I'd still run them into a closed coop at night.
An Amish farm wife told me when she had geese she had less of a problem with hawks in her chickens. We have geese and free range the poultry during the day. There is a fenced pen for bad weather. Even with geese I've seen a swooping hawk pick off a chick from the ground chased by a frantically squawking hen. The shadow of a hawk or falcon will send the flock running for the nearest bush. Despite the hawks I don't keep them in.
 

Jackpine Savage

Veteran Member
I can't speak to current production (ha ha), but I have a Gallagher fencer that has been going for 18 years. The younger, larger Premier already kicked the bucket.
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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A classic that never ceases to bring tears.



The Electric Fence and the Lawn Mower


If you have ever used an electric fence or know someone who has one,
you should read this.

The Lawn

We have the standard 6-ft. fence in the backyard, and a few months
ago, I heard about burglaries increasing dramatically in the entire
city. To make sure this never happened to me, I got an electric fence
and ran a single wire along the top of the fence.

Actually, I got the biggest cattle charger Tractor Supply had; made
for 26 miles of fence. I then used an 8-ft. long ground rod, and drove
it 7.5 feet into the ground. The ground rod is the key, with the more
you have in the ground, the better the fence works.

One day I’m mowing the back yard with my cheapo Wal-Mart 6-hp big
wheel push mower… The hot wire is broken and laying out in the yard.
I knew for a fact that I unplugged the charger. I pushed the mower
around the wire and reached down to grab it, to throw it out of the
way.

It seems as though I hadn’t remembered to unplug it after all.

Now I’m standing there, I’ve got the running lawnmower in my right
hand and the 1.7 giga-volt fence wire in the other hand. Keep in mind
the charger is about the size of a marine battery and has a picture of
an upside down cow on fire on the cover.

Time stood still.

The first thing I notice is my pecker trying to climb up the front
side of my body. My ears curled downwards and I could feel the
lawnmower ignition firing in the backside of my brain. Every time that
Briggs & Stratton rolled over, I could feel the spark in my head. I
was literally at one with the engine.

It seems as though the fence charger and the piece-of-s#@t lawnmower
were fighting over who would control my electrical impulses.

Science says you cannot crap, pee, and vomit at the same time. I beg
to differ. Not only did I do all three at once, but my bowels emptied
3 different times in less than half of a second. It was a matrix kind
of bowel movement, where time is creeping along and you’re all leaned
back and BAM BAM BAM you just crap your pants 3 times. It seemed like
there were minutes in between but in reality it was so close together
it was like exhaust pulses from a big block Chevy turning 8 grand.

At this point I’m about 30 minutes (maybe 2 seconds) into holding onto
the fence wire.. My hand is wrapped around the wire palm down so I
can’t let go. I grew up on a farm so I know all about electric fences
… but Dad always had those piece-of-s#@t chargers made by
International or whoever that were like 9 volts and just kinda
tickled.

This one I could not let go of. The 8-foot long ground rod is now
accepting signals from me through the permadamp Ark-La-Tex river
bottom soil. At this point I’m thinking I’m going to have to just man
up and take it, until the lawnmower runs out of gas.

‘Damn!,’ I think, as I remember I just filled the tank!

Now the lawnmower is starting to run rough. It has settled into a
loping run pattern as if it had some kind of big lawnmower race cam in
it.

Covered in poop, pee, and with my vomit on my chest, I think ‘Oh God
please die … Pleeeeaze die’. But nooooo, it settles into the rough
lumpy cam idle nicely and remains there, like a big bore roller cam
EFI motor waiting for the go command from its owner’s right foot.

So here I am in the middle of July, 104 degrees, 80% humidity,
standing in my own backyard, begging God to kill me. God did not take
me that day … he left me there covered in my own fluids to writhe in
the misery my own stupidity had created.

I honestly don’t know how I got loose from the wire. I woke up laying
on the ground hours later. The lawnmower was beside me, out of gas. It
was later on in the day and I was sunburned.

There were two large dead grass spots where I had been standing, and
then another long skinny dead spot where the wire had laid while I was
on the ground still holding on to it. I assume I finally had a seizure
and in the resulting thrashing had somehow let go of the wire.

Upon waking from my electrically induced sleep I realized a few things:

1- Three of my teeth seem to have melted.

2- I now have cramps in the bottoms of my feet and my right butt cheek
(not the left, just the right).

3- Poop, pee, and vomit when all mixed together, do not smell as bad
as you might think.

4- My left eye will not open.

5- My right eye will not close.

6- The lawnmower runs like a sumbitch now. Seriously! I think our
little session cleared out some carbon fouling or something, because
it was better than new after that.

7- My nuts are still smaller than average yet they are almost a foot
long..

8- I can turn on the TV in the game room by farting while thinking of
the number 4 (still don’t understand this???).

That day changed my life. I now have a newfound respect for things. I
appreciate the little things more, and now I always triple check to
make sure the fence is unplugged before I mow.
The good news, is that if a burglar does try to come over the fence,
I can clearly visualize what my security system will do to him, and
THAT gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling all over, which also reminds me
to triple check before I mow.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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Main thing to know is their claims of how "many miles" of fencing any of them will power are a joke.

We have a "25 mile" solar fencer I bought for Y2k. It's been invaluable over the years (we did have to replace the battery in 2017, but can't complain about 18 years ftom a battery!) BUT... it powers (effectively) at most a 10 acre paddock. That's 4 strands (3 hot, 1 grounded dead) of clean (no weed load) high tensile wire, AND its with three 8 foot copper ground rods. Proper grounding is critical for these fencers to work properly.

We currently use it for powering 160 feet of "electronet" mesh fencing for our pastured meat chickens, and it works great for that, despite the constant "grounding" problem that electronetting in tall grass poses. Birds don't need super- powered fencers. IIRC, the solar fencer puts out something like half a joule of power. Our Zareba "Wasp" charger puts out 15 joules! It will pick you up off the ground if you grab it while barefoot! Once the calves get jolted a time or two, they're fence broke for life.

You can use regular livestock electronet for full sized chickens, but if you think you might want to put chicks, or partly grown birds out (we usually move our CornishX chicks outside (weather permitting) at a week old) the poultry netting is definitely better. We don't have it right now... hoping I might be able to dig up the money for a roll this year... and we usually have multiple escapees for the first few days. The dogs love to help herd them back through the fence, so it's not a huge deal, but if we didn't have the dogs (they also keep a close eye out for predators) we'd probably be losing birds.

It's true that fencing alone won't protect from hawks or owls. However, that's an easy fix. String fishing line (or some of the narrow mylar "bird scare" tape) across the top of the pen in a grid pattern. It doesn't have to be very close together... 4-5 feet apart seems to work fine. Raptors instinctively avoid anything that might injure their wings... they won't dive through that grid (if using fishing line, look for a kind (sorry, dont know the terminology) that catches the sunlight)

For a movable pen (highly recommended if you have the room) I designed a setup with a single pole in the center of the pen. There were a dozen strands of fishing line attached to the top. Once we set up the pen in it's new spot, we just ran those lines from the center post to the perimeter fencing, tying it loosely to the top wire. It only added about 10 minutes to the process.

Summerthyme
 

Steel Chips

Veteran Member
You could build something as simple as a 12 volt ignition coil and condenser from a junk yard, with a turn signal blinker and a small solar charged battery for remote operation. The blinker will give about 1 second high voltage pulses. The blinker charges the coil and when it opens the coil field collapses, producing a high voltage pulse.

If you can only find a 9 volt coil and condenser in a junk yard, make sure you get the dropping resistor to go with it.

If you are using chicken wire you can connect the ground to it and run the hot wire near it but not touching, of course. Any animal that touches the hot and chicken wire at the same time will get a harmless zap. Otherwise you could put in a ground rod.

Or you could make a more elaborate homemade fence charger as the one described here:

https://www.motherearthnews.com/diy/homemade-electric-fence-charger-zmaz82jazgoe

A Homemade Electric Fence Charger

By the MOTHER EARTH NEWS Editors
| July/August 1982

A solar charged battery would work well for this system also.
 
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