So Is Everyone On The Board Voting For McCain?
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American Rage
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gelatinous
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I surely don't want Obama, but McCain is not much better. I'm researching the other candidates; right now possibly Baldwin, but we'll see. I used to vote party line, the lesser of the evils. But the lesser now is so far from what I believe in that I just can't do it anymore. My hope is that enough people will vote for other candidates that they'll make a surprising showing, and maybe in the future there will actually be a viable 3rd party candidate. So I don't think my vote is "wasted", but hopefully will have an eventual effect. I just wish everybody would vote, and not for nonsense like Alfred E. Newman or whatever. I haven't seen that really on this board, but I hear a lot of it. People need to get serious, choose the best candidate they can, and vote. If enough people vote for viable alternate candidates, maybe more people will get the idea and get on the bandwagon, though it would be nice if the conservatives could come together with one strong 3rd party that would really have a chance. I googled parties; there are a LOT of really GOOFY ones out there!
Phlatulance
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Serious question here for those that read it.
How many times have you voted for someone you agreed with letter for letter on their views, not that of their party? Their stance on guns, abortion, animal rights, gay rights, views of imported foods, military plans, thoughts on the last episode of Star Trek Voyager, color preference of the ties they wear to debates, and so on and so on.
Me, NOT ONCE!!! In the years since I could vote, I have not seen ONE, NOT ONE, person that I agreed with 100% with.
EVERY VOTE IS A COMPROMISE!!! I pick my key points, research, find out who matches best, and do what I can. I'd bet money that most of you do too.
How many times have you voted for someone you agreed with letter for letter on their views, not that of their party? Their stance on guns, abortion, animal rights, gay rights, views of imported foods, military plans, thoughts on the last episode of Star Trek Voyager, color preference of the ties they wear to debates, and so on and so on.
Me, NOT ONCE!!! In the years since I could vote, I have not seen ONE, NOT ONE, person that I agreed with 100% with.
EVERY VOTE IS A COMPROMISE!!! I pick my key points, research, find out who matches best, and do what I can. I'd bet money that most of you do too.
Loon
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Here is a link you can go to where you can see who actually is running for President in 2008. They list all the parties and the people running and give websites to read who they are and what they are about. I've never heard of most of these people. Ron Paul is not listed anywhere. You might be able to find someone else you like though.
http://politics1.com/p2008.htm
http://politics1.com/p2008.htm
BigFootsCousin
Molon Labe!
Holy Crap!
You guys oughta see this page that Loon provided!
We have a Socialist Party????!!!
And one of the fellers that's TRYING to run for President wasn't even born here?!
It looks like we actually have THREE different Socialist parties running........
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dirtdigger
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Ron Paul ...... his way or no way!
BigFootsCousin
Molon Labe!
And here's more great news.....
We apparently have a "Vampire, Witches, & Pagan Party" as well in New Jersey.
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We apparently have a "Vampire, Witches, & Pagan Party" as well in New Jersey.
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buff
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Holy Crap!
You guys oughta see this page that Loon provided!
We have a Socialist Party????!!!
And one of the fellers that's TRYING to run for President wasn't even born here?!
It looks like we actually have THREE different Socialist parties running........
BFC
how about this one from the link...
BigFootsCousin
Molon Labe!
GoldGoldGold
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mcchrystal
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Pardon the Language...
Strong language follows. Pansies may skip this post.
Being told that my choice is only McCain or Obama is like going to a car
dealership and being told by the salescretin, "You have your choice of
a red Corvette full of horseshit or a blue Corvette full of horseshit."
-Steve in Burbank
Strong language follows. Pansies may skip this post.
Being told that my choice is only McCain or Obama is like going to a car
dealership and being told by the salescretin, "You have your choice of
a red Corvette full of horseshit or a blue Corvette full of horseshit."
-Steve in Burbank
Lone Eagle Woman
Veteran Member
First personally I LOVE Ron Paul! And only him or someone with those same
principles will truly be able to turn this country around. But face it, he will
Not make it. It will either be John McCain or Barack Obama. And I Absolutely
Can NOT NOT NOT Stand the Freaking Muslim Marxist Idiot Obama. Do think
that if Obama is elected, it would be the Complete End of America Whatsoever!
If I were living in a swing state, I would vote for McCain. I do personally
very strongly believe that we cannot afford Obama .... and anybody BUT HIM!
But I live here in little Wyoming with it's 3 electoral votes. And it will most
surely surely be going to McCain! So I will probably, very probably write in
Ron Paul! However the election turns out, it will NOT depend on Wyoming.
But if somehow that Idiot Obama gets elected, am prepping for the Complete
End of the America I love. Do think that if McCain gets in, we just might have
a few years rather then the Complete End with Obama!
Just my few cents worth.
principles will truly be able to turn this country around. But face it, he will
Not make it. It will either be John McCain or Barack Obama. And I Absolutely
Can NOT NOT NOT Stand the Freaking Muslim Marxist Idiot Obama. Do think
that if Obama is elected, it would be the Complete End of America Whatsoever!
If I were living in a swing state, I would vote for McCain. I do personally
very strongly believe that we cannot afford Obama .... and anybody BUT HIM!
But I live here in little Wyoming with it's 3 electoral votes. And it will most
surely surely be going to McCain! So I will probably, very probably write in
Ron Paul! However the election turns out, it will NOT depend on Wyoming.
But if somehow that Idiot Obama gets elected, am prepping for the Complete
End of the America I love. Do think that if McCain gets in, we just might have
a few years rather then the Complete End with Obama!
Just my few cents worth.
Wise Owl
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Loon, you WRITE HIM in on the ballot, which is EXACTLY what I and millions of other Americans intend on doing. Period.
He probably won't win but a message will be put out to the repuglicrats and the demorats that people are fed up with what is offered. And that we still have a way of showing our displeasure......
You DON"T have to vote for the lessor of two evils. You can stand for something. Principals should not be cast to the wind because you think your voice won't be heard. It will.
I would also recommend a paper receipt for your vote before you leave the voting booths.
He probably won't win but a message will be put out to the repuglicrats and the demorats that people are fed up with what is offered. And that we still have a way of showing our displeasure......
You DON"T have to vote for the lessor of two evils. You can stand for something. Principals should not be cast to the wind because you think your voice won't be heard. It will.
I would also recommend a paper receipt for your vote before you leave the voting booths.
duchess47
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he PROBABLY won't win.......duh ya think?
as far as sending a message, no one will notice and it won't even be reported on.
sending a message to who?....
If the election is very close (which I think it will be) and the amount of people voting third party, write-in, or none of the above could have given one or the other an overwhelming win, the parties will notice - whether or not the news reports on it. And they will spend the next four years trying to reach that group that didn't vote Democrat or Republican but other.
he PROBABLY won't win....
as far as sending a message, no one will notice and it won't even be reported on.
sending a message to who?....
On this same topic, why don't you just kill yourself? I mean after all, you're going to die one day anyway, so what's the point of living just to prolong the inevitable?
Mainstream politics is about generating fear: fear that "the other guy" is so horrible that you simply MUST vote for "your guy" in order to not be so afraid. BY YOUR FEAR THEY OWN YOU. And by your fear you are a slave, and perpetuate TPTB and all the satanic forces that they serve. Only by releasing your fear and seeing the world without it, can you ever hope to be free again.
Or not. You decide...
ETA: Your point about it "not being reported on" may well be true. As evidence, allow me to point out Ross Perot's run for office. Before him, TPTB pretty much allowed anyone to "try" to run, because they knew that no one would take a non-dem/rep seriously. But Ross Perot's large numbers scared them. After that election cycle, TPTB changed the rules. Before Perot, the debates were organized by the League of Women Voters; after Perot, it's a corporation that's (surprise!) owned by the Dem/rep national parties. Before Perot, the MSM would (generally) report on other candidates; after Perot, the MSM was (IMO) ordered to ignore any non-mainstream dem/rep candidate. Perot scared TPTB so badly that they took steps to assure that their monopoly on power would never be seriously threatened again. And the sheeple buy right into that meme....
Txkstew
Veteran Member
They're going to freak out over 5 to 6 percent of the vote, when 50 percent don't even vote, ever?
Don't vote, or write in, and you're a speed bump in history. Huh...what was that?
What you're doing buff, is fooling yourself. That's how brainwashing works. If the brainwashEE thinks they're actually brainwashed, it won't work. So yeah, you're FREE AS A BIRD! You betcha..... 
Lone Eagle Woman
Veteran Member
Loon, this is exactly what happened to me in 2004. In the Presidential
Election of that year, I wrote in someone's name on the ballot and it was
NEVER tallied whatsoever it seems.
Election of that year, I wrote in someone's name on the ballot and it was
NEVER tallied whatsoever it seems.
Lone Eagle Woman---I agree with every word you wrote. I also live in a relatively low population state which is very likely to go for McCain. Obama scares the daylights out of me and the hero worship/messiah complex thing is intolerable, period.
My inclination is to take my Sharpie marker and write Ron Paul's name on my ballot, since my state does not "allow" a write-in in the general election (by what right, I'd like to know). For those who say I'm throwing away my vote, it's been stripped from me by the state that decides I can only vote for certain pre-selected candidates.
My inclination is to take my Sharpie marker and write Ron Paul's name on my ballot, since my state does not "allow" a write-in in the general election (by what right, I'd like to know). For those who say I'm throwing away my vote, it's been stripped from me by the state that decides I can only vote for certain pre-selected candidates.
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Safecastle
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1. Important to note folks--the popular vote has no legal significance, other than to determine electoral college voters representing your state. The electoral college elects the president.
2. Each state determines how those electoral votes are allotted--winner take all or otherwise.
3. If a person (i.e., Ron Paul) has not filed to be a write-in candidate in a state, and included the names of their electors when they file, any write-in votes are not counted.
Conclusion: Write-in anybody you want if there is a space on your ballot, but don't expect anyone to count it or even notice it if that person is not campaigning and hasn't jumped through the legal hoops in each state.
2. Each state determines how those electoral votes are allotted--winner take all or otherwise.
3. If a person (i.e., Ron Paul) has not filed to be a write-in candidate in a state, and included the names of their electors when they file, any write-in votes are not counted.
Conclusion: Write-in anybody you want if there is a space on your ballot, but don't expect anyone to count it or even notice it if that person is not campaigning and hasn't jumped through the legal hoops in each state.
Fred's Horseradish
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Thomas Paine
Has No Life - Lives on TB
So instead of Stalin we'll vote in Mussolini?
That makes perfect sense.... NOT
That makes perfect sense.... NOT
buff
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and it makes perfect sense to vote for someone who is not even running?
Obama: I could list a hundred small problems I have with him, but I'll save us all a lot of time; No one who voted for that damned FISA bill has ANY business in the white house, period!
Mccain: Unfit for the job. I consider him even more incompetent than Bush. The man's completely befuddled and it gets worse, and more obvious as it goes along.
Which brings me to what Rafter said;
I agree. I really don't think the Republicans want the White House next time around. As far as I'm concerned the party was hijacked for the 1999/2000 election cycle by a group who were anything but conservative. They've run the party and the country into a ditch.
The only R candidate who spoke truth to the issues facing us was Ron Paul, and the party leadership shunned him like the plague, hoping to get a 2nd generation NeoCon in the job. When it became obvious this wasn't going to happen, the rest folded their tents and left. McCain is just the only one left.
At the rate McCain's campaign is going it would not suprise me at all if there wasn't a concerted effort to dump him at the convention. If the party formalizes the incompetence he's shown so far, making him their candidate, then the Republican party is further gone than I imagined.
Any other time, an "open convention" might be R. Paul's best chance to restate his positions, and possibly get the nomination. I'd like nothing better; but considering the crew thats running my former party of 32 years, I doubt that will happen.
As things stand I will write in Ron Paul, like I did last time.
Re. the "wasted vote" notion:
I think the whole idea of what your vote means, has been lost here. Unless I missed a memo I thought the whole idea was to vote for who you WANTED in the office.
Voting for who you "think" will win, isn't excercising a choice, it's just noodling out where the herd's going, then rushing out ahead of it... to follow it. Voting against who you're afraid will win; is just more of the same. Both of these mean you've abandoned choosing what you want, to settle for what you don't want, least. I cannot see how either of these is ever going get you what you want.
To me, these seem like the very definition of a wasted vote, and I've done that far too long.
Taken collectively, what happens is we lower first our standards, then our sites, and stumble into making a choice for the dog with the least fleas. Until we find ourselves stuck in a process that offers us nothing but flea bitten mutts. Sure enough, for all my "go along votes", we seem to have just about everything I didn't want in a government. No more.
All I can do, is vote my best choice, and urge others to do the same. No other choice will do. No other choice is worth the time.
If it turns out that not enough folk agree with my choices, then I hold my breath another four years, and try again.
