DISASTER Ship carrying 3,000 cars burns off Dutch coast, one dead

mzkitty

I give up.
Makes you want to run right out and buy an electric car, doesn't it?

:shkr:

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Ship carrying 3,000 cars burns off Dutch coast, one dead​

July 26, 20237:14 AM EDT, Updated 14 min ago

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AMSTERDAM, July 26 (Reuters) - A fire blazed on Wednesday on a ship off the Dutch coast with nearly 3,000 vehicles, killing one person and injuring several others, the coastguard said.

The fire began on Tuesday night on the 199-metre Panama-registered Fremantle Highway, which was en route from Germany to Egypt, forcing several crew members to jump overboard.

Rescue ships sprayed water onto the burning boat to cool it down, but too much water risked its sinking, the Dutch coastguard said. A salvage vessel hooked on to stop it drifting.


"The fire is most definitely still not controlled. It's a very hard fire to extinguish, possibly because of the cargo the ship was transporting," said Edwin Versteeg, a spokesperson for the Dutch Department Of Waterways and Public Works.

The coastguard said on its website that the cause of the fire was unknown, but a coastguard spokesperson had earlier told Reuters it began near an electric car.

The coastguard said the Fremantle, which had departed from the port of Bremerhaven, had been towed out of shipping lanes and could sink. It was 27 km (17 miles) north of the Dutch island of Ameland when the fire started.


All 23 crew members were evacuated.

A helicopter took some suffering from smoke inhalation to medical facilities on the mainland.

Coastguard spokesperson Edwin Granneman said salvaging experts were trying to work out next steps for the burning boat.

A spokesperson for Shoei Kisen Kaisha, the Japanese ship leasing company that manages the Fremantle, was not immediately available for comment.

The incident was the latest of several fires in recent times on car carriers.


Earlier this month, two New Jersey firefighters were killed and five injured battling a blaze on a cargo ship carrying hundreds of vehicles.

A fire destroyed thousands of luxury cars on a ship off the coast of Portugal's Azores islands in February last year.

 

Jeff B.

Don’t let the Piss Ants get you down…
Amazing. Started “near” an electric car. :rolleyes:

A few years ago a car carrier capsized off (in the river) near Brunswick, GA. IIRC, they simply cut it up in place. This might warrant a tow to deep water for a scuttling.
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
I can see LLoyds of London mandating that EVs have there batteries disconnected for shipping.
Doubt it matters. The batteries catching fire is an internal thing, like oily rags catching fire. They can require that oily rags be disconnected from a circuit ...
 

Luddite

Veteran Member
If engineers don't figure out how to eliminate these fires, they'll need to engineer fire-proof car boxes for shipment.

That would be cost prohibitive with anything except the green energy cult.
 

Kris Gandillon

The Other Curmudgeon
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Earlier this month, two New Jersey firefighters were killed and five injured battling a blaze on a cargo ship carrying hundreds of vehicles.
Per the linked article regarding the New Jersey ship fire:

“There were no electric cars or hazardous cargo aboard, the company said.”

“The ship, which had 28 crew members aboard, was carrying cars, vans and rolling equipment as well as 157 shipping containers.”
 

Wildweasel

F-4 Phantoms Phorever
What I want to know is how many of those cars in the Port of Newark that combusted were electric?

I'm sure the surviving families of those 2 firefighters would love to know.....
I was surprised to learn that it was loaded with used cars head from Newark to Africa. That might rule out electrics, because Africa hasn't bought into the electric car BS.
 

cowboy

Veteran Member
It looks like a fishing trawler has taken up Freeways position and Hollum area has Freeway offshore. While all the tugs are still loitering around.
 

Ractivist

Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
The temperatures and volatility of these batteries is off the charts. Once they go hot, they can't be put out, and they burn for a significant period. Like a thermite battery, kinda....

It's another nail in the argument exposing the lies around the entire concept of transitioning to electric. Fossil Fuels are clean and relatively safe, unbeknownst to the younger generations these days...they see it as evil. The brainwashing is real.

Imagine dumping three thousand cars with batteries and some fuel in the tanks.....environmental disaster! Then do it again, and possibly again? The cost to clean up, astronomical, if even possible or attempted. Again, the ocean is huge, it will absorb most of it....like our atmosphere does with the carbon. Most of the wildlife will move away from the toxic mess and go cross stream or upstream as they say.... then it becomes a parts per million equation....like carbon. But no one actually dies, directly or indirectly from carbon. They say it's coming, but they have never guessed right about the oceans rising and flooding out the coasts.... about the equivalent of that period . per year.....how's that even measured.

What's Fukushima up to?
 

Delta

Has No Life - Lives on TB
"Killing one person," "all 23 crew members were evacuated" and "several crew members . . . [jumped] overboard." Yes, the statements are possible: (the dead was a passenger, they mean "rescued" not "evacuated", and some were plucked from the sea), but it seems confusing all the same.
 

cowboy

Veteran Member
Yea! They didn't work out to well either, she is coming back in.
Truthfully, it looked more like a drug drop or theft.
 

energy_wave

Has No Life - Lives on TB
498 EV's on board.

It wasn’t 25 EV cars IT WAS FIVE HUNDRED! North Sea Fire REVELATION.​


Rt 5;13

 

Quiet Man

Nothing unreal exists
This problem will worsen over time as the higher quality Lithium deposits are exhausted. Don't keep an EV in/near your/a house.
Whoa...

EV Batteries Explodes: Makes Gasoline Explosions Look Tame 1 MIN​

1m
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
Whoa...

EV Batteries Explodes: Makes Gasoline Explosions Look Tame 1 MIN​

1m
How many batteries does an EV HAVE?

I counted 16 explosions! Are there really that many batteries in an electric vehicle? I admit to neither knowing, nor wanting to know, anything about them, other than I wouldn't have one if you gave it to me.
 
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The Mountain

Here since the beginning
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How many batteries does an EV HAVE?

I counted 17 explosions! Are there really that many batteries in an electric vehicle? I admit to neither knowing, nor wanting to know, anything about them, other than I wouldn't have one if you gave it to me.

The typical main "battery" in an EV has hundreds of individual cells (batteries) in it.
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
And you can't put it out with water, right? I've heard that only makes it worse?

So what DO you use to put it out with, then?
 

Kris Gandillon

The Other Curmudgeon
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How many batteries does an EV HAVE?

I counted 16 explosions! Are there really that many batteries in an electric vehicle? I admit to neither knowing, nor wanting to know, anything about them, other than I wouldn't have one if you gave it to me.
They vary by make and model.

The P85 pack contains 7,104 lithium-ion battery cells in 16 modules wired in series (14 in the flat section and two stacked on the front). Each module contains 6 groups of 74 cells wired in parallel; the 6 groups are then wired in series within the module.
 

Quiet Man

Nothing unreal exists
How many batteries does an EV HAVE?

I counted 16 explosions! Are there really that many batteries in an electric vehicle? I admit to neither knowing, nor wanting to know, anything about them, other than I wouldn't have one if you gave it to me.
I was wondering if it was an electric bus or truck (?).
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
Whoa...

EV Batteries Explodes: Makes Gasoline Explosions Look Tame 1 MIN​

Dammit, how many times do we have to watch this! This is a truck of propane tanks that caught fire in a collision. The tanks are exploding. Nothing to do with batteries. You can see tanks scattered on the pavement in the foreground. Sheesh!
 

Safetydude

Senior Member
Extinguishing lith-ion batteries takes encapsulating type agents, which many fire depts haven't heard or know about. Many problems and challenges to put the EV and energy storage systems (ESS) fires out. For lithium ion batteries, time from smoke to flames or boom is 30 seconds to 3 min based on some new research I've read. LiFePO4 batteries are safer and more cost effective.
 

AlfaMan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Makes you want to run right out and buy an electric car, doesn't it?

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Ship carrying 3,000 cars burns off Dutch coast, one dead​

July 26, 20237:14 AM EDT, Updated 14 min ago

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AMSTERDAM, July 26 (Reuters) - A fire blazed on Wednesday on a ship off the Dutch coast with nearly 3,000 vehicles, killing one person and injuring several others, the coastguard said.

The fire began on Tuesday night on the 199-metre Panama-registered Fremantle Highway, which was en route from Germany to Egypt, forcing several crew members to jump overboard.

Rescue ships sprayed water onto the burning boat to cool it down, but too much water risked its sinking, the Dutch coastguard said. A salvage vessel hooked on to stop it drifting.


"The fire is most definitely still not controlled. It's a very hard fire to extinguish, possibly because of the cargo the ship was transporting," said Edwin Versteeg, a spokesperson for the Dutch Department Of Waterways and Public Works.

The coastguard said on its website that the cause of the fire was unknown, but a coastguard spokesperson had earlier told Reuters it began near an electric car.

The coastguard said the Fremantle, which had departed from the port of Bremerhaven, had been towed out of shipping lanes and could sink. It was 27 km (17 miles) north of the Dutch island of Ameland when the fire started.


All 23 crew members were evacuated.

A helicopter took some suffering from smoke inhalation to medical facilities on the mainland.

Coastguard spokesperson Edwin Granneman said salvaging experts were trying to work out next steps for the burning boat.

A spokesperson for Shoei Kisen Kaisha, the Japanese ship leasing company that manages the Fremantle, was not immediately available for comment.

The incident was the latest of several fires in recent times on car carriers.


Earlier this month, two New Jersey firefighters were killed and five injured battling a blaze on a cargo ship carrying hundreds of vehicles.

A fire destroyed thousands of luxury cars on a ship off the coast of Portugal's Azores islands in February last year.

If it picked up cars in Bremerhaven, then they were VW group vehicles-Porsche/Audi/VW models.
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
Dammit, how many times do we have to watch this! This is a truck of propane tanks that caught fire in a collision. The tanks are exploding. Nothing to do with batteries. You can see tanks scattered on the pavement in the foreground. Sheesh!
Not sure, but per the title, the below are actually EV battery explosions:

A bus in Paris:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r-yN8SugWM


Several buses in China:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T71cVhxG_v4


And a video that seems a fairly even-handed discussion of EV fire problems in cars in America:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0oTHsVnIIg
 

AlfaMan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Bottom line is, you don't want an EV. Period.

The ones coming out of China (we get the Polestar here, Chinese built. We call it the Polecat because quality stinks!) have some pretty sloppy battery packs in them. BYD is the big player in the Chinese EV market; see if you can find info on their rate of battery fires not caused by accidents. That's right, you can't. VinFast is trying to make it into the US market with some electric EV SUV's. Their quality is so bad nobody is buying them and there's thankfully no real dealer network outside California.

Problems I'm seeing?

GM has an impending recall on the new Hummer EV pickup trucks-bad battery packs. From the factory. Saw one with 152 miles on it and it was bricked. Techs had to use the (Mandatory for GM EV dealers to purchase) forklift to tow it into the (Mandatory for GM dealers to have a 12,500 lb. 3 position lift and a 12'x12' sized bay) tech bay. That way they can use the (mandatory for GM EV dealers to purchase) computer to scan the vehicle.

The Chrysler Pacifica hybrid is gaining a reputation as a garage queen-spends more time there than on the road. Because of the battery packs.

Toyota has problems with battery packs that go over 100k miles-some higher (100k) 20 and 21 model camrys and highlanders are showing "replace battery pack" warning messages on their dashes. Not a cheap replacement~ Independent taxi drivers and Uber drivers use these vehicles; there is absolutely zero resale value on these vehicles.

Toyota Priuses still have that stupid vent inside the passenger compartment that sucks air in to the battery pack (and that's why the car inside smells like ozone all the time. Vents go both ways............)

And finally, Tesla. The stub frame and suspension mount cracks are going to either require every Tesla to be built to be recalled, or bought back. It's going to bankrupt them as soon as they're forced to issue a recall.
If one of those suspension mounts breaks, its enough to cause the car to crash. Whereupon the battery pack will probably catch fire. Not a happy combination. Also, shave a little of the battery tray material off the side of a Tesla model. Put a lighter to it-burns hot and long. And mild steel protects those batteries when you're zooming down the road. The full aluminum cast battery pack and underside of the car is still a ways off. And it will just burn hotter in a crash.

And just remember-2 bad cells in a Tesla battery pack is enough to brick the car completely. Replacement of 2 bad cells in a model X battery pack costs $ 18,000 at a Tesla service center (the only place where the work can be done).

EV's have been given a safety "pass" for far too long now. None of my family will ever go into one of these poorly built and potentially unsafe vehivles.
 
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