PREP School Me On The Use Of Poolshok

Marthanoir

TB Fanatic
I've never really seen poolshok here or paid attention to how to use it, i've checked on amazon and they have several types of chlorine granuals available, all they all the same ? http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb...ne granules 5kg&sprefix=chlorine+gran,aps,631
Anything in particular i should be looking for,

does somebody want to explain how to use it for both disenfectant use and for purifiying drinking water,

I have puritabs for water but many posters have mention the longlife of the poolshok and its in larger quantities and cheaper,
 

Hognutz

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Not all shock is the same. I cant remember but you can use some but not oothers. At least for water purification and drinking.

Rawles has a lot of info on it on his site.
 

Illini Warrior

Illini Warrior
you're basically looking for Ultra or Super Pool Shock ... you need upwards of 75%+ concentration with none of the algae killers or the other pool cleaning chems ...... just be VERY careful with your storage .... under the wrong conditions it'll kill you deader than a fart ....
 

Marthanoir

TB Fanatic
you're basically looking for Ultra or Super Pool Shock ... you need upwards of 75%+ concentration with none of the algae killers or the other pool cleaning chems ...... just be VERY careful with your storage .... under the wrong conditions it'll kill you deader than a fart ....

when you say Ultra or Super are these name brands or a description, being on the other side of the pond to you many name brands won't be available,
 

BREWER

Veteran Member
Greetings, Marthanoir: Here is the link to the search results at http://survivalblog.com/

http://survivalblog.com//?s=water+purification

Three Letters Re: Clarification on Calcium Hypochlorite for Water Purification
http://survivalblog.com/three_letters_re_clarification/

Letter Re: Clarification on Calcium Hypochlorite for Water Purification
http://survivalblog.com/letter_re_clarification_on_cal/

Please get back to me if this isn't what you need. We'll hunt it down, Mate.

Take care, Mate. BREWER

Posted for fair use and discussion. You gotta love it...Yukon Jon!
http://survivalblog.com/letter-re-disinfecting-your-drinking-water/
Letter Re: Disinfecting Your Drinking Water

Hugh,

I have noticed over the years that when I read about water purification during bad times that Calcium Hypochlorite is mentioned as the way to go for storage and use. Typically, it is suggested to buy an abundance of the material so one can be charitable and pass out small plastic bags of the chemical with instructions for its use to purify water. I’ve never before seen simple and concise instructions that ANYONE could understand for treating drinking water with Calcium Hypochlorite.

Using what I’ve gleaned from the Internet, with numerous revisions, I believe I have the information that one would need to properly use the Calcium Hypochlorite for water purification all here. “Calcium Hypochlorite” is one of the best chemical disinfectants for water, much better than household bleach. It destroys a variety of disease-causing organisms, including bacteria, yeast, fungus, spores, and viruses and is much more stable than liquid chlorine.
How to Disinfect Water Using “Calcium Hypochlorite”

Using granular Calcium Hypochlorite to disinfect water is a two-step process. “Mix only in a Plastic or Glass container, NOT METAL!!

To make a stock of liquid chlorine solution: dissolve 1 heaping teaspoon (about one-quarter of an ounce) of high-test (70%) granular calcium hypochlorite for each two gallons (eight liters) of water. (This liquid mixture is the stock that you will use to treat your drinking water.)
To disinfect water, add one part of the liquid chlorine solution to 100 parts water to be treated; stir thoroughly with clean wooden or plastic spoon until hypochlorite crystals dissolve.
Example: 6 oz of liquid solution treats about 4.75 gallons of water in a five gallon bucket. (4.75 gal = 608 oz. of water)
Let the mixture sit at least 30 minutes or more before use.

Be sure to ration the dry granular calcium hypochlorite, since once it is made into a liquid solution, it will begin to degrade and eventually become useless as a disinfectant. This means you should make your liquid chlorine solution in small batches, enough for just a few weeks at a time.

An advantage of using calcium hypochlorite to disinfect water is that a little goes a very long way. A 1-pound bag of calcium hypochlorite in granular form will treat up to 10,000 gallons of drinking water.

Just remember:

1 cup or 1/2 pint=8oz;
1 pint=16oz;
1 quart=32oz;
½ gal=64oz;
1 gal=128oz;
12.5 gal=1600oz

Yukon Jon
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This is from the article above http://survivalblog.com/letter_re_clarification_on_cal/

JWR Replies: The problem with most retail store employees these is that they are marginally qualified to run a cash register, but little else. To most of them pool water chemistry is an arcane art–not rational science. Don’t ask them chemistry questions!

A granular (dry powder) “pool shock” product that lists only Calcium Hypochlorite as the active ingredient should be safe to use for water purification. The problem with other varieties is that they include other algaecide or fungicide chemicals that are probably not safe for human consumption. Ditto for using liquid bleach for the same purpose.You want to buy Calcium Hypochlorite bleach. Do NOT buy bleach with fabric softeners, scents, et cetera. Keep in mind that bleach solutions break down and weaken with time (anticipate a 24 month shelf life), but that dry granular bleach stores indefinitely.

Re: > What about the 50% OTHER INGREDIENTS?

Those are most likely inert filler. But that may differ widely, depending on maker/brand. You’ll have to look at the label carefully. Be certain that there are no other chemicals, dyes, scents, et cetera before using any chlorine product for water purification!
 
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Marthanoir

TB Fanatic
Greetings, Marthanoir: Here is the link to the search results at http://survivalblog.com/

http://survivalblog.com//?s=water+purification

Three Letters Re: Clarification on Calcium Hypochlorite for Water Purification
http://survivalblog.com/three_letters_re_clarification/

Letter Re: Clarification on Calcium Hypochlorite for Water Purification
http://survivalblog.com/letter_re_clarification_on_cal/

Please get back to me if this isn't what you need. We'll hunt it down, Mate.

Take care. Mate.

Cheers buddy,

I'll go reading,
found a pool chem supplier in Ireland ,
they have Calcium Hypochlorite granuals http://www.swimmingpoolchemicals.ie/index.php?cPath=248_33_242
so I'll read what JWR has to say and then look into what the company has
 

Para36

Contributing Member
Like Illini said- the biggest challenge is the storage container. The best that I found was a wide mouth canning jar and the solid plastic closures they make for food storage. Avoid anything metallic totally even in the area around the calcium hypochlorite . Laboratory dessicators with ground glass stoppers are great too but of price range if you had to buy them. Para.
 

bbbuddy

DEPLORABLE ME
I bought about a quart of pool shock almost a decade ago, and make up a gallon of bleach from it as needed for laundry rather than lug bleach home from the store...hardly have made a dent in it, so it's basically a lifetime supply!

It's great for laundry or sanitizing, but now that the Sawyer products are out and SOOO cheap and filter a million gallons of drinking water,I wouldn't bother with using pool shock for drinking water...unless the water was suspected of containing Ebola! Then I would use the poll shock first and the Sawyer second -would NOT want my Sawyer contaminated with Ebola!

BTW it wasn't all that easy to find calcium hypochlorite with no other active ingredients, we ended up getting it from a store 200 miles from where we live after calling many places. You can't rely on store employees to read the lables correctly, either...
 

LightEcho

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Misuse of terms. Adding something to water does not "purify" the water. Filtration of water is a way to purify.

Using a chemical sterilant is a way to treat the water or sanitize it. It does not make the water cleaner or remove chemicals from the water.
 

Illini Warrior

Illini Warrior
when you say Ultra or Super are these name brands or a description, being on the other side of the pond to you many name brands won't be available,


not brand names ..... more a description that the pool supply outfits use ..... buying thru Amazon is OK - I found the best price/pound & shipping deal on there .... you can usually buy "over the counter" here in the US at the professional type warehouse pool supply ....
 

Flippper

Time Traveler
I picked up a 1lb packet of "Super Select Shock Treatment" hth brand, for a few bucks at Walmart for cleaning some rodent contaminated items. I think it cost me about $4, but it's only 56.44% SH, and the inert ingredients are not listed. It is marked #3, with #4 preventing algae. I don't recall seeing a 70% mix of SH there, but it's been a few months since I picked this up. I was needing instruction on mixing I'm glad this thread was started, thanks Marth!
 

Possible Impact

TB Fanatic
Super Zappit Shock Treatment For Pools 1 Lb Bag 75818
http://www.ruralking.com/super-zappit-shock-treatment-for-pools-1-lb-bag-75818.html
$3.99

MSDS for Zappit Shock Treatment (And many many others...)
http://www.kellysolutions.com/erene...Chlorinating_Granular_4_3_2014_9_36_17_AM.pdf

Should give you some "cross refs" to EU products.




:dot5: ETA: For Texas Size overkill:

Zappit - Granular Calcium Hypochlorite 50 lb. Pail
http://www.aquapure-il.com/Zappit-Granular-Calcium-Hypochlorite-50-lb.-Pail.html

More Info
73% available chlorine, best shock.
A routine sanitizer that kills and prevents the growth of
algae, bacteria and other microorganisms.

Price
$145.99​
 

Marthanoir

TB Fanatic
Super Zappit Shock Treatment For Pools 1 Lb Bag 75818
http://www.ruralking.com/super-zappit-shock-treatment-for-pools-1-lb-bag-75818.html
$3.99

MSDS for Zappit Shock Treatment (And many many others...)
http://www.kellysolutions.com/erene...Chlorinating_Granular_4_3_2014_9_36_17_AM.pdf

Should give you some "cross refs" to EU products.



:dot5: ETA: For Texas Size overkill:

Zappit - Granular Calcium Hypochlorite 50 lb. Pail
http://www.aquapure-il.com/Zappit-Granular-Calcium-Hypochlorite-50-lb.-Pail.html

More Info
73% available chlorine, best shock.
A routine sanitizer that kills and prevents the growth of
algae, bacteria and other microorganisms.

Price
$145.99​

Thanks PI, 50lb :lol: I could just dump it in a lough and have a handy supply ;)
 

Adino

paradigm shaper
i'm not using it to purify water either

i'm making bleach

2 level tsp per gal iirc

someone correct me if that should be 3 tsp w/ 70% calcium hyperchlorite

see what selco has to say about bleach in shtf school

primo barter item
 

NamasteMama

Senior Member
NEVER USE POOL SHOCK TO PURIFY WATER. Even if it has no algaecides listed there are chemicals in it that are not listed.
 

Possible Impact

TB Fanatic
i'm not using it to purify water either

i'm making bleach

2 level tsp per gal iirc

someone correct me if that should be 3 tsp w/ 70% calcium hyperchlorite

see what selco has to say about bleach in shtf school

primo barter item

:dot5: -extract- More at link...
How to Make Homemade Chlorine Bleach
http://tacticalintelligence.net/blog/how-to-make-chlorine.htm


To make the homemade chlorine bleach solution, you’ll need to do the following:

  • Mix 2 level Tablespoons of Calcium Hypochlorite to 3 cups of water.
After you’ve made your stock of chlorine solution, you’ll want to follow the formula
from the Army Technical Bulletin in determining how much of the above stock chlorine
solution you’ll need for your desired number of gallons of water to be disinfected.
*Note: I’ve updated the formula to calculate the same concentration that household
bleach has. If you have questions, fire me an email and I’ll be more than happy to
explain the math.
mL of stock chlorine required = (desired concentration (mg/L)*number of gallons to be treated)/18.12
The desired concentration refers to how much chlorine in mg/L you want the
disinfected water to have. A recommended amount is 7 mg/L of concentration.
This equates to adding 8 drops of household liquid bleach to 1 gallon of water
(the recommended amount when disinfecting water with household bleach).


Given these amounts, if you wanted to disinfect 1 gallon of water
with the homemade chlorine solution, the formula would be as follows:
(7*1)/18.12

This equates to .38mL or 8 drops of the concentrated solution
per gallon of water. Just like normal household bleach!




Army Technical Bulletin TB MED 577
SANITARY CONTROL AND SURVEILLANCE
OF FIELD WATER SUPPLIES

tbmed577.pdf (1,236 kb PDF)
 

Possible Impact

TB Fanatic
NEVER USE POOL SHOCK TO PURIFY WATER. Even if it has no algaecides listed there are chemicals in it that are not listed.

US Army does...

(Specific types, not blanket truth for every brand)

(see PDF in my post above)
ETA and:
[FONT=Verdana,Arial]MSDS for Zappit Shock Treatment (And many many others...)
http://www.kellysolutions.com/erenew...9_36_17_AM.pdf
^^^Shows complete list of inert & "useful" ingredients

[/FONT]

Individual/Emergency Disinfectants
9-9. General
Even in emergency situations, personnel should only consume water that has been disinfected. If
a treated and disinfected water supply is not available, personnel must individually treat and/or
disinfect water before they drink it. Individuals should start with the clearest, cleanest, least
odorous water they can readily find and treat and/or disinfect the water using personal water
purification procedures.
a. Calcium hypochlorite. Calcium hypochlorite is a white granular or powdered chemical.
When fresh, it typically contains 68 to 70 percent by weight available chlorine. It is commonly
referred to as high test hypochlorite (HTH) and is frequently used as a disinfectant in swimming
pools. Calcium hypochlorite may be obtained through Army supply channels in 6-ounce (oz)
bottles (NSN 6810–00–255–0471). The volumes of calcium hypochlorite that will provide
specific mg/L doses when dissolved in different volumes of water are presented in appendix I.
The procedures for disinfecting water in a canteen using calcium hypochlorite ampules are
described in FM 21–10. After filling a canteen, or personal hydration system, or other container
with the cleanest water available, add the appropriate amount of calcium hypochlorite or calcium
hypochlorite solution. Close the container and shake it vigorously for a few seconds. Slightly
loosen the closure and tip the container to allow leakage around closure. Tighten the closure
again and wait 30 min before drinking the water.
 

lonestar09

Veteran Member
Everyone who is buying pool shock needs to check what the active ingredient is on the bottom front of the plastic container. HTH brand sold in the stores is no longer made with calcium hypochlorite. It is now made with sodium tetrahydrazine, if I remember the name correctly.

Once again please read the label first to make sure you are getting the right product.
 

Adino

paradigm shaper
To make the homemade chlorine bleach solution, you’ll need to do the following:

  • Mix 2 level Tablespoons of Calcium Hypochlorite to 3 cups of water.


  • that seemed hi to me from what i remembered and when i google it i see everything from 1 tsp / gal to 1 lb / 5 qts

    so i am a little confused
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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There is NO possible way that 2 tsps per gallon or whatever is going to give you bleach!! Assuming the pool shock is 65% chlorine (I know, it's all different), if you make a 10% solution, you'll get 6.5% bleach (which is what the "concentrated" or "Ultra" bleach is nowadays.)

1# to 5 quarts is accurate... and makes it one heck of a lot more expensive than buying regular bleach. However, for "TSHTF" times, when regular bleach degrades in just a few months, it's worth keeping on hand.

(the math to get the 1# in 5 quarts is this: 1# = 480 grams. If it's 65% chlorine, that gives you 312 grams of chlorine. 5 quarts is 4800 mls (960 mls per quart). Divide 312 grams by 4800, and you get .065.. or 6.5% chlorine.)

Summerthyme
 

Adino

paradigm shaper
There is NO possible way that 2 tsps per gallon or whatever is going to give you bleach!! Assuming the pool shock is 65% chlorine (I know, it's all different), if you make a 10% solution, you'll get 6.5% bleach (which is what the "concentrated" or "Ultra" bleach is nowadays.)

1# to 5 quarts is accurate... and makes it one heck of a lot more expensive than buying regular bleach. However, for "TSHTF" times, when regular bleach degrades in just a few months, it's worth keeping on hand.

(the math to get the 1# in 5 quarts is this: 1# = 480 grams. If it's 65% chlorine, that gives you 312 grams of chlorine. 5 quarts is 4800 mls (960 mls per quart). Divide 312 grams by 4800, and you get .065.. or 6.5% chlorine.)

Summerthyme

because you are dealing w/ solids and liquids you are dividing mls by grams and i'm not sure that is the proper approach

wouldn't it be a volume calculation when combining two different substances?
 

Adino

paradigm shaper
thinking about it further

vol in 1 gal = 16cups

16 x 6.5% = 1.04 cups

so we want 1 cup of calcium hypochlorite and we have a 70% concentration in pool shock

1cup/ .7 = 1.43 cups

so 1.43 cups of calcium hypochlorite concentrate gives us 1 cup we add that 1 cup to 15 cups of water and we have a 6.5% sol

this is my best guess

we really need a chemist here
 

Beach

Veteran Member
The 6.5% concentration of bleach is the concentration of sodium hypochlorite, not chlorine. (93.5% water with 6.5% sodium hypochlorite). Then you have to know the available chlorine in the sodium hypochlorite solution. There is about 1/2 pound of chlorine in every gallon of 6.5% bleach.

To calculate the right mixture using calcium hypochlorite (shock), you have to find the available chlorine in the calcium hypochlorite. It's not the 70% number. The 70% number is the percentage of calcium hypochlorite in the bag mixed with 30% other stuff.
 

Adino

paradigm shaper
ok beach, or anyone else w/ enough chemistry background to shed light on this

the calcium hypochlorite has an available chlorine content of 70% minimum

do my calculations above then hold?

if not then how do we properly calculate how much calcium hypochlorite to add?
 

Beach

Veteran Member
ok beach, or anyone else w/ enough chemistry background to shed light on this

the calcium hypochlorite has an available chlorine content of 70% minimum

do my calculations above then hold?

if not then how do we properly calculate how much calcium hypochlorite to add?

I don't think that is right about the shock having 70% available chlorine. Shock contains about 70% calcium hypochlorite. Then you have to find out how much available chlorine is in the calcium hypo.

Let me know if I'm wrong and I can do the calcs. Or if some one can tell me the available chlorine in calcium hypo I can do it.
 

Beach

Veteran Member
sorry this isn't neater, but hand calcs are fastest for me.
 

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Thomas Paine

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I've never really seen poolshok here or paid attention to how to use it, i've checked on amazon and they have several types of chlorine granuals available, all they all the same ? http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb...ne granules 5kg&sprefix=chlorine+gran,aps,631
Anything in particular i should be looking for,

does somebody want to explain how to use it for both disenfectant use and for purifiying drinking water,

I have puritabs for water but many posters have mention the longlife of the poolshok and its in larger quantities and cheaper,

Well mixed with brake fluid it has interesting properties and can be used in other interesting mixtures.:D
 

LucyT

Senior Member
Magichem Bleach Tabs (makes 10 gallons of bleach per card- 4 cards per order) $24.95

These are very compact, practical, take up very little space, and unlike bottles of liquid bleach, they do not lose power until combined with water into liquid bleach. They are usually not very expensive either, and they will store well for years, ready to be turned into fresh bleach when combined with water.

They are available at Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Magichem-Bleach-makes-gallons-bleach/dp/B008R1UHVG
 

Adino

paradigm shaper
I don't think that is right about the shock having 70% available chlorine. Shock contains about 70% calcium hypochlorite. Then you have to find out how much available chlorine is in the calcium hypo.

Let me know if I'm wrong and I can do the calcs. Or if some one can tell me the available chlorine in calcium hypo I can do it.

i'm getting the available chlorine percentage off of the label itself, so gonna have to guess its right???

thank you for your calculations and help!
 
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