HEALTH Sacramento Patient Being Tested For Ebola

[2Trish]

Mods, if I somehow managed to duplicate this thread, please delete. Shoould eventually go into the Tracking Thread anyway.

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/20...-fever-south-sacramento/#.U_P1MuOIV4o.twitter

Northern California Patient Being Treated For Possible Exposure To Ebola Virus
August 19, 2014 5:44 PM
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An Ebola virus virion. (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)


(KPIX) — A patient is being examined for possible exposure to the Ebola virus at Kaiser South Sacramento, according to hospital officials, who are not disclosing when or where the patient could have been exposed to the deadly pathogen.

Dr. Stephen Parodi, a specialist on infectious diseases confirmed the patient is being isolated in a “negative pressure room” – to limit any possible risk while the case is being examined.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is working to rule out any exposure to the deadly African virus that causes hemorrhagic fever, killing 90 percent of those infected.

The Ebola virus is not airborne, and is only spread through direct contact with bodily fluids.

The potential of an exposed patient in Northern California comes as the on-going outbreak in West Africa has killed over 1200 people according to the World Health Organization. The outbreak began in Guinea and spread to Libera, Sierra Leone and Nigeria. Anyone sick or exposed to those who are sick have faced quarantines and travel restrictions, sometimes extending across an entire village or county.

 

[Baloo]

What do people think will happen when one of these US cases tests positive?

 

[Tristan]

3Baloo, I don't know about the first, but by the 10th or so, everyone is going to be getting real tense.

 

[Siskiyoumom]

Well crud, we have fires, drought, meth freaks and now this!

 

[kittyluvr]

Just a little too close for comfort...

 

[willowlady]

This one is WAY TOO CLOSE. In fact, the family discussion was that when it showed up on the West Coast, we go into lockdown. The article linked gives entirely too little information to make any kind of informed decision, of course. The REAL concern is: Will we ever hear another word about this case, positive or negative?

 

[Possible Impact]

What do people think will happen when one of these US cases tests positive?

A dose or two of #Zmapp will suddenly become available.



Dr. Wendell Craig ‏@drwendellcraig_ 3h
#Ebola crisis: Doctors in #Liberia 'recovering after taking #ZMapp'
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-28860204 … via @bbcnews

 

[Doomer Doug]

I seriously doubt the powers that be would openly admit this person tested positive for Ebola even if this was true. Once the powers that be admit a person with a confirmed and documented Ebola virus infection made it to the USA the hysteria would be intense. Ergo, there will not be any public admission.

by my count, there have been several so called Ebola scares in the USA. Every single time the health powers that be rode in and said, DON'T WORRY; BE HAPPY. Ebola is already in the USA. Given the thousands of Nigerians, West Africans and other Africans who fly into the US on a daily basis this is certain.

I count at least ten news stories related to air travel passengers showing "symptoms" in various countries. Every single time it is denied they tested positive. Every single time. The case in Berlin is a classic example. the powers that be quarantined over 600 people and then casually said, Oh it is a stomach virus. Gang, you only quarantine that many people if you are dealing with an AIRBORNE VIRUS OR BACTERIA, like TB for instance. The mere fact they did this indicates two things. One is the advanced countries, health care wise, are freaked out about Ebola. Compare the German health reaction to what Nigerian authorities did with Mr. Sawyer on July 20th.

I find the instant, reassuring statements about "negative test results" to be the kind of thing a judas goat does to the line of cows walking along. <G>

 

[JustCause]

This one is WAY TOO CLOSE. In fact, the family discussion was that when it showed up on the West Coast, we go into lockdown. The article linked gives entirely too little information to make any kind of informed decision, of course. The REAL concern is: Will we ever hear another word about this case, positive or negative?

Way too close.

 

[Lilbitsnana]

What do people think will happen when one of these US cases tests positive?

I don't know how others would react or even how TPTB would react. Would they even release the info if it was only one person positive with only a few possible contacts that could be quieted away? I don't think they would.

As for me, it all depends on where is the positive case? (state/city/county)

How close are they to me? Where have they been? How long were they contagious before being tested? How many people were potentially exposed?

Then, depending on answers, I would be watching things closely and taking extra precautions or go into lockdown mode (at least as much as possible...DH's injury complicates my situ)

 

[Medical Maven]

I don't know how others would react or even how TPTB would react. Would they even release the info if it was only one person positive with only a few possible contacts that could be quieted away? I don't think they would.

As for me, it all depends on where is the positive case? (state/city/county)

How close are they to me? Where have they been? How long were they contagious before being tested? How many people were potentially exposed?

Then, depending on answers, I would be watching things closely and taking extra precautions or go into lockdown mode (at least as much as possible...DH's injury complicates my situ)

But they are LIARS, so you can not make an informed decision. They will lie about this for sure, just as DD said. One case might not pop the ponzi, but two or three would do it.
So they will never admit to the first one until they are somehow forced to. And the details of the admitted case will be lies from the get-go.

 

[Sleeping Cobra]

I seriously doubt the powers that be would openly admit this person tested positive for Ebola even if this was true. Once the powers that be admit a person with a confirmed and documented Ebola virus infection made it to the USA the hysteria would be intense. Ergo, there will not be any public admission.

by my count, there have been several so called Ebola scares in the USA. Every single time the health powers that be rode in and said, DON'T WORRY; BE HAPPY. Ebola is already in the USA. Given the thousands of Nigerians, West Africans and other Africans who fly into the US on a daily basis this is certain.

I count at least ten news stories related to air travel passengers showing "symptoms" in various countries. Every single time it is denied they tested positive. Every single time. The case in Berlin is a classic example. the powers that be quarantined over 600 people and then casually said, Oh it is a stomach virus. Gang, you only quarantine that many people if you are dealing with an AIRBORNE VIRUS OR BACTERIA, like TB for instance. The mere fact they did this indicates two things. One is the advanced countries, health care wise, are freaked out about Ebola. Compare the German health reaction to what Nigerian authorities did with Mr. Sawyer on July 20th.

I find the instant, reassuring statements about "negative test results" to be the kind of thing a judas goat does to the line of cows walking along. <G>

I agree 1000% (Cough) No one will have Ebola in this Country.

 

[bassaholic]

I seriously doubt the powers that be would openly admit this person tested positive for Ebola even if this was true. Once the powers that be admit a person with a confirmed and documented Ebola virus infection made it to the USA the hysteria would be intense.

Maybe they want hysteria.

Scared people submit.

 

[bluelady]

Way too close.

Ack, have a friend in Kaiser Morse ICU (NE Sac) WAY too close.
And our best friends' son is getting married in Sac in Sept. WAAAY too close.
Lord, I ask for protection, healing, health, and life.

 

[Waz1152]

If you ever watched Contagion for instance, that would be my guess, DO NOT LET THEM KNOW IT IS HAPPENING, until there are thousands roaming the streets, sneezing, coughing, touching ATMs, shopping trollies, coins, etc, when a dozen or so are confirmed, they might send out an alert, by then it is already too late for many, Buses, trains, planes, passengers won't even know they are carriers, when thousands start dropping, then I reckon a Nationwide alert will be released by Obama and his Health experts and CDC from a nice secure impenetrable bunker somewhere
This is an alert to all American citizens, we are with you in this dire hour, we are doing everything humanly possible to rescue this great Nation from this threat from Ebola, you must do everything possible to limit outside ventures, stay indoors, This is your best chance for survival
This is how I think it will go down, if it breaks out and can not be contained of course, may all be nothing and life will go on as it is, just be ready "just in case"

 

[Lilbitsnana]

But they are LIARS, so you can not make an informed decision. They will lie about this for sure, just as DD said. One case might not pop the ponzi, but two or three would do it.
So they will never admit to the first one until they are somehow forced to. And the details of the admitted case will be lies from the get-go.

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[FONT=Verdana,Arial] don't know how others would react or even how TPTB would react. Would they even release the info if it was only one person positive with only a few possible contacts that could be quieted away? I don't think they would.

As for me, it all depends on where is the positive case? (state/city/county)

How close are they to me? Where have they been? How long were they contagious before being tested? How many people were potentially exposed?

Then, depending on answers, I would be watching things closely and taking extra precautions or go into lockdown mode (at least as much as possible...DH's injury complicates my situ) [/FONT]

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Isn't that pretty much what I said?

But, leaks do happen as far as a case being tested.

I worry enough about the two that were brought to Atlanta, so I have been paying attention to the various xxx is going around, oh, yyy is going around. It is all I can do, and I will make decisions on what my gut tells me.

It has never let me down when I needed it, unless I chose to ignore it, and that was my fault.

 

[Marthanoir]

What do people think will happen when one of these US cases tests positive?

They won't test positive until they want it to test positive, until then they'll just keep on keeping on

 

[Sacajawea]

Well, let's have a "what-if"...

What if there already are positive cases and TPTB believe it's containable? Like all other things, they are conceited enough to think they can control... this too, will get ahead of them and by the time they acknowledge it... it will be way too late for many people.

Now, IMO... is the time to get busy, and be ready to start working your last minute list, implementing your plan. Check your batteries, top off the fuel, etc.

 

[willowlady]

What disturbs me profoundly about the Sacramento "possible" case is: When we were first getting people brought back into this country with possible Ebola, we all heard about how, where, when they might have contracted it. There is zip, nada, NO information on this CA case as to 1) Where she has been that she might have had contact with Ebola, 2) Whether they are even looking at her personal contacts to determine whether she has possibly infected others. TOO much silence on these issues. I know, I know, HIPPA and all that. But if there's even a slight chance that she has Ebola, that should trump all the privacy issues handily.

 

[Countrymouse]

But they are LIARS, so you can not make an informed decision. They will lie about this for sure, just as DD said. One case might not pop the ponzi, but two or three would do it.
So they will never admit to the first one until they are somehow forced to. And the details of the admitted case will be lies from the get-go.

Amen to that.

 

[Baloo]

Bet its a Nobola case.

 

[Countrymouse]

I don't know how others would react or even how TPTB would react. Would they even release the info if it was only one person positive with only a few possible contacts that could be quieted away? I don't think they would.

As for me, it all depends on where is the positive case? (state/city/county)

How close are they to me? Where have they been? How long were they contagious before being tested? How many people were potentially exposed?

Then, depending on answers, I would be watching things closely and taking extra precautions or go into lockdown mode (at least as much as possible...DH's injury complicates my situ)

And Amen to that, too.

 

[Mark D]

A sane country would not allow entry into anything but an isolation chamber, if a traveler was returning from a hot zone... "Enjoy your stay in quarantine until the full incubation period, plus a few days, has passed."

 

[Medical Maven]

What disturbs me profoundly about the Sacramento "possible" case is: When we were first getting people brought back into this country with possible Ebola, we all heard about how, where, when they might have contracted it. There is zip, nada, NO information on this CA case as to 1) Where she has been that she might have had contact with Ebola, 2) Whether they are even looking at her personal contacts to determine whether she has possibly infected others. TOO much silence on these issues. I know, I know, HIPPA and all that. But if there's even a slight chance that she has Ebola, that should trump all the privacy issues handily.

Below is Pixie's opinion (PFI Forum) in regards to this Sacramento patient. This could be it, but will they LIE?


Pixie's comments are bolded.

This one is definitely different -- no other suspect cases we've seen so far "may have been exposed to the virus."

Several individuals demonstrating symptoms that might be the New Ebola have been identified because they had a travel history to the affected area. This was the case, for example, with the man at Mt. Sinai. But he, along with the rest of the suspect cases so far, did not have any specific exposure to the virus that they were aware of.

This case apparently has had a more up close & personal exposure to the New Ebola virus.

CDC's case definition clarifies what "no known exposure" means:
Quote:
No known exposure

Persons with no known exposure were present in an EVD outbreak affected country* in the past 21 days with no low risk or high risk exposures.

http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/hcp/case-definition.html

The CDC case definition also clarifies what "low" and "high" exposures mean:
Quote:
High risk exposures

A high risk exposure includes any of the following:

Percutaneous, e.g. the needle stick, or mucous membrane exposure to body fluids of EVD patient

Direct care or exposure to body fluids of an EVD patient without appropriate personal protective equipment (PPE)

Laboratory worker processing body fluids of confirmed EVD patients without appropriate PPE or standard biosafety precautions

Participation in funeral rites which include direct exposure to human remains in the geographic area where outbreak is occurring without appropriate PPE

Low risk exposures

A low risk exposure includes any of the following

Household member or other casual contact1 with an EVD patient

Providing patient care or casual contact1 without high-risk exposure with EVD patients in health care facilities in EVD outbreak affected countries*

http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/hcp/case-definition.html


From the wording, it appears that the suspect case in CA has had either "low" or "high" risk exposure to the New Ebola rather than "no known exposure."

Note that the hospital has this patient in a negative pressure room.
_________________

 

[Medical Maven]

But think what happens if the authorities are caught lying about a positive case, and the details of the cover-up are revealed? TRUST would be totally destroyed, crumbling what little is left in our government. But would that happen with the Executive Orders in place? Reporters would not want to be in jail as a New Ebola pandemic was beginning to churn through our nation.

 

[2Trish]

Mods, can/would you please update title of thread to include New Mexico?



hewest.gawker.com/new-mexico-teacher-quarantined-for-possible-ebola-expos-1623961693/+laceydonohue


New Mexico Teacher Quarantined for Possible Ebola Exposure
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Jason M. Vaughn
Filed to: Ebola Yesterday 1:55pm


New Mexico Teacher Quarantined for Possible Ebola ExposureExpand

A New Mexico woman who became ill with flu-like symptoms after returning home from West Africa earlier this month is now under quarantine at an Albuquerque hospital where she is being tested for the Ebola virus.

Authorities at the University of New Mexico Hospital say that it's unlikely that the unidentified 30-year-old woman, who worked as a teacher in Sierra Leone, is infected with Ebola. But given the disease's nearly 90 percent mortality rate they say they're acting out of an abundance of caution.
The Deadliest-Ever Ebola Outbreak: How It Started, and What's Next

Over the last several months, the deadliest-ever outbreak of the Ebola virus has torn through West…Read on gawker.​com

"Returning from overseas with a fever could be a lot of things," said UNMH epidemiologist Dr. Meghan Brett. "It could be routine."

Hospital officials say that the woman did not have any known exposure to the virus while she was in Africa, but they have sent a sample of the woman's blood to the Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta for analysis.

The results should be available by the end of the week.

"There really isn't a risk to the public at this point," Dr. Robert Bailey, associate dean for clinical affairs at the University of New Mexico's School of Medicine, told the Santa Fe New Mexican. "The risk of Ebola is not having the patient in the hospital — being in a situation like the folks in Africa are experiencing right now with folks getting sick in rural villages and nobody recognizes it."

The virus cannot be spread through the air, but through direct contact with contaminated bodily fluids and objects.

Ebola symptoms include severe headaches, fever, diarrhea, vomiting and muscle pain followed by internal and external bleeding and organ failure, and can show up between two and 21 days after contamination. There is no known cure for the disease.

The woman returned to New Mexico from West Africa on August 4th and started to show symptoms last Friday.

According to the CDC, the Ebola virus has so far killed over 1,100 people in Sierra Leone, Guinea, Liberia and Nigeria.


I have 2 questions: some articles about patients in the U.S. have said that within a day it was determined that they did not have Ebola, then some articles say that samples of blood from other patients have been sent to CDC and it takes a week to determine if they have it. So how does a hospital in Ohio or where ever have the capacity to determine the results in less time then the CDC? The other question is if the New Mexico teacher has been back since the beginning of the month I wonder how many people she has infected?

My opinion is that anyone coming back from outbreak areas should be put in quarantine.

 

[bw]

Authorities at the University of New Mexico Hospital say that it's unlikely that the unidentified 30-year-old woman, who worked as a teacher in Sierra Leone, is infected with Ebola. But given the disease's nearly 90 percent mortality rate they say they're acting out of an abundance of caution.

With respect to Ebola there's no such thing as an abundance of caution. All the caution in the world is maybe barely adequate, if we're lucky. In this case, and abundance of caution would have her (and all who visited west Africa) quarantined for three weeks before we let them travel.

 

[Lilbitsnana]

The New Mexico case was posted on the Main Ebola thread and on the tracker thread on the 17th.

link to originally posted article

http://www.koat.com/news/health-dept-working-with-cdc-to-rule-out-ebola-in-patient/27566304

 

[Melodi]

The Sacramento one is very scary and sounds like the most dangerous so far, if the reports are correct; obviously they have to test anyone who has been in the area that gets Malaria or flu like symptoms but unless it has gone totally airborn (in a medical sense) a person would only catch it by having the bad luck to be too close on the train, plane or other public space to catch it with no "known" exposure. But someone who had a family member with it, or attended a funeral where kissing the person good bye is normal, visited a hospital (especially a third world one with open wards) etc would be at serous risk even with the type of transmission we are pretty sure the "New" Ebola has morphed into.

It also hits way too close to home for me because my very close friend, at whose kitchen counter I posted many notes to Timebomb my last visit is a nurse in the area, though not in that particular hospital (at least not that I know of, he works in a private clinic). Any medical personal though are likely to be in the first line of response if this were to spread, so this does worry me, I guess it is always more personal when you know someone who might be directly affected, even in a "what if" situation.

I am not sure how long they would keep a positive from the public at least in the United States where despite everything keeping something like that under wraps would probably be very hard for more than 24 to 48 hours (if that long). No matter the threats, someone is going to talk and an entire hospital under lock-down would be just as noticed as third cousins of the sick person posting to other relatives on facebook.

I do think they would delay as long as possible and like Atlantic give out as little information as possible for "privacy" reasons and if they can get away with it only announce the person's death or recovery; now if clusters start showing up, they won't really be able to hide that for more than a few hours either. Swamped emergency rooms and locked down hospitals will hit the press pretty quickly, just look at how fast the German Job Center one hit the news, my guess is it took those poor people about 30 seconds to be tweeting and facebooking "looks like I'm stuck here, they say it may be Ebola!" to all their friends and social networks.

We'll see, but sooner or later one of these is going to be positive, the rest depends on a lot of things among them a considerable amount of bad look and good luck; as well as bad judgment and good judgment.

 

[Melodi]

A sane country would not allow entry into anything but an isolation chamber, if a traveler was returning from a hot zone... "Enjoy your stay in quarantine until the full incubation period, plus a few days, has passed."

True, but that country would also have to pay and support hundreds if not thousands of people while they stayed there; personally I think that stopping all flights to these areas except humanitarian rescues for citizens who then are put in such a quarantine would have been the best move and to start that several weeks ago. But that would involve will-power, organization, a willingness to take on the airlines BEFORE the fear started to hit profit margins and the willingness of the State and Federal government to set up such isolation centers, staff them, insure compliance (aka guards), feed, cloth and most importantly pay for such places.

A Sane Country would have already had such an emergency system in place that could be set up on a moments notice as a matter of prudent planning and civil defense, since historically there are always goings to be pandemics at some point. But then a sane country would never have totally gutted its bomb shelters, food storage catches and other civil defense measures except spending millions to turn police forces into potential armies in case of power grid failures or local riots.

 

[Medical Maven]

It is not said exactly when that Sacramento patient was admitted to the hospital. Has anybody else seen that information? In other words, how long has this situation been hangfiring, brewing?

 

[Shacknasty Shagrat]

This article is one of the best examples of the poorest journalism I have read lately.
Once, a degree in journalism meant something. Now major media is barely literate.
SS

 

[2Trish]

It is not said exactly when that Sacramento patient was admitted to the hospital. Has anybody else seen that information? In other words, how long has this situation been hangfiring, brewing?

There are several articles on the net about this and I didn't find one that stated exactly when the patient was admitted. Makes you wonder why.

Apologizes for starting this thread, thought I had searched to make sure it wasn't a dup, I was wrong.

 

[kittyluvr]

Here is another article, not much more information yet.

10:30 p.m. UPDATE:

The California Department of Public Health released a statement late Tuesday saying it had no confirmed cases of Ebola in the state, but that a patient it describes as low-risk was being tested in Sacramento.

—–

SACRAMENTO (CBS13) — A patient admitted to Kaiser Permanente may have been exposed to the Ebola virus, and test are currently being done to determine whether the virus is present, a representative has confirmed to CBS13.

Ebola FAQ: What Is It, How Does It Spread, And How Is It Treated?

The unidentified patient was admitted to the Kaiser Permanente South Sacramento Medical Center, and they have been placed in isolation. Outside of a written statement, the hospital has remained tight-lipped on orders from the administration, refusing to go on camera, and increasing its security presence.

Public health officials fromSacramento County have remained silent on the issue.

The medical center emphasizes all measures are being taken to protect the staff, and that the samples have been sent to the Centers For Disease Control and Prevention, who will test them. The tests are expected to take several days to complete.

Still, patients leaving Kaiser said no one told them about the possibility of an Ebola patient inside the hospital they had just left.

“I’m speechless; I had no idea,” said Diane Brock.

Another patient leaving the emergency room agreed with that sentiment.

“They should let us know that and take better care of it,” she said. “If I got a virus from here, and took that home, I”d be upset.”

The CDC has told CBS13 that 60 people from California have been tested, with 10 of those tests being sent to the CDC for further review. All 10 of those tests came back negative.

A similar case happened in New York earlier this month, where a patient who recently visited West Africa was tested for the disease at Mount Sinai Hospital. Those tests came back negative.

More than 1,200 people have been killed by the virus in West Africa.
FULL STATEMENT FROM

Dr. Stephen M. Parodi, Infectious Diseases Specialist
Director of Hospital Operations, Kaiser Permanente Northern California

We are working with the Sacramento County Division of Public Health regarding a patient admitted to the Kaiser Permanente South Sacramento Medical Center who may have been exposed to the Ebola virus. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) will be testing blood samples to rule out the presence of the virus.

In order to protect our patients, staff and physicians, even though infection with the virus is unconfirmed, we are taking the actions recommended by the CDC as a precaution, just as we do for other patients with a suspected infectious disease. This includes isolation of the patient in a specially equipped negative pressure room and the use of personal protective equipment by trained staff, coordinated with infectious disease specialists. This enables the medical center to provide care in a setting that safeguards other patients and medical teams.

The safety of our members, patients and staff is our highest priority. Our physicians and infectious disease experts are working closely with local and state public health agencies to monitor developments and share information.
FULL STATEMENT FROM CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC HEALTH

CDPH Reports No Confirmed Cases of Ebola in the State

Low-risk patient tested out of an abundance of caution

SACRAMENTO – The California Department of Public Health (CDPH) is working with local health departments and health care providers statewide to identify patients who have traveled to countries affected by Ebola. CDPH is directing health providers to follow protocols established by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in the diagnosis and treatment of these patients. People returning from the affected areas who may be at high risk for Ebola should be isolated and their blood sent to CDC for testing. Some low-risk patients, like the one from Sacramento, may be tested out of an abundance of caution. CDPH works with local health departments and hospitals to arrange for proper specimen shipment and Ebola virus confirmatory testing.

There are currently no confirmed cases of Ebola in California. There have been no patients admitted to California hospitals who are considered to be at high risk of Ebola according to CDC criteria.

If a person has travelled to an affected country and develops a fever within three weeks of their return, they should contact their health care provider and let the provider know of their travel history.

The risk of the spread of Ebola in California is low. Any patient suspected of having Ebola can be safely managed in a California hospital following recommended isolation and infection control procedures. Suspect cases of Ebola will be investigated by local health departments in consultation with CDPH. Kittyluvr: Famous last words.

State and local public health officials in California are monitoring the situation closely and taking steps to keep Californians safe. Our advanced health care system has appropriate protocols in place to prevent the spread of this often deadly disease.

Ebola is an infectious disease caused by the Ebola virus. Symptoms may appear anywhere from two to 21 days after exposure and include fever, headache, joint and muscle aches, weakness, diarrhea, vomiting, stomach pain and abnormal bleeding. It is classified as a viral hemorrhagic fever (VHF) because of the fever and abnormal bleeding. Among the VHFs, Ebola is feared because of its high mortality. There are no specific treatments but supportive therapy can be provided to address bleeding and other complications.

For more information about Ebola, please visit CDPH’s website.


http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2014...ing-tested-for-ebola-after-possible-exposure/

 

[Baloo]

So 60 people (just in California-wonder what nationwide the # is?) have been tested, but only 10 sent to CDC for tests.

I bet the other 50 got tested like we've seen in those photos from Africa -- thermometer on arm -- and sent home. Wow.

 

[bluetick]

> gulp <

 

[Lilbitsnana]

> gulp <

I know I sleep better knowing our gov is so efficient and has the country's best interest at heart....oh, wait....NM.

 

[Baloo]

I know I sleep better knowing our gov is so efficient and has the country's best interest at heart....oh, wait....NM.

What's even scarier is people believe the govt without question.

In a conversation couple of days ago with a highly educated associate of mine (who has a doctorate I might add) I mentioned how a friend who was flying a lot now has a flu-bug and he speculated about ebola (he wasn't worried but it was at least on his mind). (He is also better now). The person I was talking to responded that he didn't want to know about my friend's sexual habits!
I said what do you mean. He said Ebola is like AIDS.

I dropped the conversation.

 

[Sleeping Cobra]

If you ever watched Contagion for instance, that would be my guess, DO NOT LET THEM KNOW IT IS HAPPENING, until there are thousands roaming the streets, sneezing, coughing, touching ATMs, shopping trollies, coins, etc, when a dozen or so are confirmed, they might send out an alert, by then it is already too late for many, Buses, trains, planes, passengers won't even know they are carriers, when thousands start dropping, then I reckon a Nationwide alert will be released by Obama and his Health experts and CDC from a nice secure impenetrable bunker somewhere
This is an alert to all American citizens, we are with you in this dire hour, we are doing everything humanly possible to rescue this great Nation from this threat from Ebola, you must do everything possible to limit outside ventures, stay indoors, This is your best chance for survival
This is how I think it will go down, if it breaks out and can not be contained of course, may all be nothing and life will go on as it is, just be ready "just in case"

Remember THIS!

 

[Sleeping Cobra]

It is not said exactly when that Sacramento patient was admitted to the hospital. Has anybody else seen that information? In other words, how long has this situation been hangfiring, brewing?

Also Wondering: Let's say from "day one to death" how long do people live with Ebola? Is it a fast or slow death like within a month of contracting Ebola?