ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread

Grumphau

Grumphau

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onetimer said:
National security adviser Jake Sullivan says there’s a risk that Russia uses nuclear weapons given all the “loose talk and saber-rattling,” but adds the U.S. does not presently see indications about the “imminent” use of such weapons.

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Not to freak everyone out, but remember all the statements about there being no indication Russia would invade back in Jan-Feb?
 
babysteps

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TammyinWI

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danielboon said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1575121746327388162
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Wow, well let's see how many echo that same message, because it will happen...they will all parrot each other, promising an utopian new world order...wow, just wow. I know that it could be him, as he has flowery ways and can be made popular if he starts to appeal to all by making promises to all. He already upholds LBGTQ, and could easily do a 180 again and proclaim that he is pro-choice and switched back to being a dem...but, we'll see if he takes center stage, and continues to say that he is the "chosen one." He might be too old to fit the bill, but besides age, he sure does.

Sounds like it is going to be in the near future when they all "call for peace."
 
Countrymouse

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northern watch

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Analysis: Russia's war in Ukraine reaches a critical moment​

There are moments in history that appear as critical to the world as they are terrifying
By TAMER FAKAHANY Associated Press
September 30, 2022, 3:29 PM

FILE - Russian military vehicles move on a highway in an area controlled by Russian-backed separatist forces near Mariupol, Ukraine, April 18, 2022. (AP Photo/Alexei Alexandrov, File)

FILE - Russian military vehicles move on a highway in an area controlled by Russian-backed separatist forces near Mariupol, Ukraine, April 18, 2022. (AP Photo/Alexei Alexandrov, File)
The Associated Press

LONDON -- There are moments in history that appear as critical to the world as they are terrifying.

Just this century: the 9/11 attacks in 2001; the U.S. “shock-and-awe″ war on Saddam Hussein’s Iraq two years later; the coronavirus pandemic in 2020 killed millions and upended life; and most recently the Feb. 24 invasion of Ukraine by Russia, bringing ruinous war back to Europe.

Friday seemed one of those watershed moments as Russian President Vladimir Putin signed treaties to illegally annex a large swath of eastern and southern Ukraine, like it did with Crimea in 2014.

Coming seven months into the conflict and with near daily nuclear threats by backs-to-the wall Kremlin leaders, Putin chilllingly vowed to protect the newly annexed regions by “all available means.” Almost immediately, Ukraine’s president countered by applying to join the NATO military alliance, setting Russia up to face off against the West.

Any thought that this kind of harrowing brinkmanship had ended with the 1980s when the last Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev and then U.S. President Ronald Reagan eased the Cold War and the specter of nuclear Armageddon, is now gone.

Even with the horror of Japan’s Hiroshima and Nagasaki burned on humanity's collective consciousness, the world finds itself once again contemplating the possible use of nuclear weapons.

After a series of humiliating setbacks on the battlefield, Putin has made it painfully clear that any attack on the newly annexed regions would be construed as an attack on Russia. He would use any means available in his vast arsenal — the nod to nuclear weapons was barely veiled — and wasn’t bluffing, he said.

“We’re in an escalation phase, and Russia now is faced with a series of more extreme choices than before,” said Nigel Gould-Davies, the former U.K. ambassador to Belarus.

Gould-Davies, who is senior fellow for Russia and Eurasia at the International Institute for Strategic Studies, said Russia’s attempts to win the war by more moderate means have failed, and Putin is now having to increase the “range and severity of the measures” Russia is taking, including annexation and nuclear threats.

Even as Moscow annexed the four Ukrainian regions in a move that will not be recognized by an overwhelming majority of the world, tens of thousands of Russian men called up to fight in the war were fleeing Russia.

Former Kremlin speechwriter turned political analyst Abbas Gallyamov on Friday linked Russia’s reversals in the war with the annexation push. “It looks like an attempt to respond somehow, and it looks quite pathetic. Ukrainians are doing something, taking steps in the real material world, while the Kremlin is building some kind of virtual reality, incapable of responding in the real world,” he said.

Driving Putin are years of perceived humiliation at the hands of the West after the demise of the Soviet Union. And the fact that previous bloodshed and atrocities committed against Chechnya and Syria escaped severe international intervention seemed to give him the conviction that he had carte blanche to rebuild an Imperial Russia.

That's not the case now.

Billions of dollars in United States and European military aid are helping highly motivated Ukrainian forces liberate territory in the war amid clear signals from Washington that ‘’catastrophic consequences" will follow any use by Moscow of non-conventional weapons.

On a day like Friday, September 30, as Russia's war in Ukraine enters a flammable, even more dangerous phase, the question remains; Is a wider war looming with devastating results for the world, perhaps not seen since 1939-1945?

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Tamer Fakahany is AP’s deputy director for global news coordination and has helped direct international coverage for the AP for 20 years. Follow him on Twitter at https://twitter.com/tamerfakahany. Associated Press writer Danica Kirka in London contributed to this report.

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Analysis: Russia's war in Ukraine reaches a critical moment

There are moments in history that appear as critical to the world as they are terrifying
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Squid

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somewherepress said:
Most of the current global chaos is being intentionally created and orchestrated by those trying to bring about The Great Reset--the CCP, UN, The WHO, the WEF, etc. Pushing a nuclear war serves to distract people from the COVID hoax, the huge emerging medical disaster resulting from the "vaccines" Plus, a real Nuclear war would well serve their depopulation agenda. They really do want you dead. The world's people need to direct their wrath against the real culprits--instead of falling for the elite's favorite magic trick: Look! There's a rabbit......
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I am pretty good at the whole wrath thing and I got plenty to shove at Putin without missing a beat on the other clowns in the car…
 
TammyinWI

TammyinWI

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Countrymouse said:
Please stop with calling Trump, King Charles, etc., the Antichrist! Please?

The AC HAS to be a JEW--otherwise the nation of Israel will not mistake him for their MESSIAH (to be their Messiah, he'd HAVE to be JEWISH).

(except, of course, for the "replacement theory" people who think they are Jews b/c "God rejected Israel"--no Romans 11 in their Bible, I guess.)

I just get SO tired of hearing "Trump's the AC!" "Prince / King Charles is the AC!" when neither one can be.

Just please--either stop, or leave that in a REL sig thread......

/rant off/.....
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In all fairness, I get a chance to reply: There are threads here on the forum that discuss the possibility, with proof for the possibility.

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Not wanting to derail the thread, but in response for those interested:

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jed turtle

jed turtle

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Squid said:
Thank heavens we have Brandon Pelosi and Schumer to save us all….

Bbbbwwwwaaaaa
Yep I remember when Brandon came into office he totally reversed course on the whole vax thing. Then your demo friends came in to protect military and healthcare workers that didn’t want the vax…

Bbbwwwaaaa

Tell Soro’s we say hey..
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Just for the record, I don’t have any demo friends...
 
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kochevnik

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mzkitty said:
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IF Lyman has fallen to the Russians (again) thats VERY good news from the standpoint of nukes being used.

The @WarMonitor3 post just above that says the Ukrainians are about to encircle Lyman and wipe out the Russians.

One of those is absolutely wrong (or slow news).

And - if the Russians were able to push back the Ukrainians so quickly in such a desperate situation thats not good news for Zelensky and Biden either.
 
jed turtle

jed turtle

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kochevnik said:
IMO - the importance of the the current situation in LYMAN is being severely downplayed here. A significant portion of Russian troops are encircled there and about to be wiped out Custer style.

It provides huge impetus for Putin to use tactical nukes to save them - if Putin leaves them to die I think it is going to be the biggest loss of the war thus far and as bad as morale supposedly is - this will crush it further and make Putin look helpless and weak.

I don't think he can withstand such a loss from a morale / PR standpoint at this time. He needs a victory and he has an opportunity to stand up and show he absolutely is not bluffing just like he said. And he does that by nuking the attacking Ukrainian forces.

If I am wrong about that - and Putin allows those men to be slaughtered - all it does is put his back further against the wall and make any probable nuclear response even worse in the future - think using a few tactical nukes now versus nuking Poland or Kyiv later for example.

I really hate to say this - but unless Putin has some kind of near instant plan for a huge conventional attack to save those guys - that war is about to get way worse.
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I would definitely consider a massive use of fuel—air bombs before going with nukes...
 
jed turtle

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kochevnik said:
Would also like to point out - somewhat obviously - that now that most of the world is pretty convinced the Nord Stream attacks were the work of the West (whether USA Poland or whoever is mostly unimportant from the Russian standpoint) that means that attacks on energy infrastructure are now going to be both legitimate and likely moves going forward.

Putin has said many times that this is a HYBRID war going on and thus far the Russians have not flexed their abilities on several fronts.

I also see that changing going forward - Putin would have to be a complete idiot not to retaliate in some way to what was done on NS 1 & 2

So look for pipelines, undersea cables and various other infrastructure attacks to accelerate on all sides.

Europe of course is going to the epicenter of all this. Gas prices there are now 10 times what they are at henry hub in New York. Because most energy supplies are somewhat fungible (easily transported and substitued for AT A HIGHER PRICE) I think u are going to see coal oil gas electricity and all the various forms of energy that keep modern civ functioning probably skyrocket worldwide over the next year or two.

Early on in this war - the Russian Deputy PM and Reuters both surmised that oil would go over $300 a barrel if sanctions stopped Russian transport of energy supplies to Europe.

That's probably $15 to $20 a gallon gas here in the USA.

And before u laugh - most of us are old enough here to remember what happened to oil prices from 1973 on - I told my son this summer that I expect this is a sort of repeat of those events from an energy standpoint and that - at that time - gas prices basically quadrupled almost overnight.

So yeah - a 4 bagger from $5 a gallon gasoline prices ?

Absolutely on the table right now.

Imagine Russia uses tactical nukes and Biden and company decide to take out large portions of the Russian crude oil infrastructure using conventional weapons. That move would be one of the most obvious of all - few casualties and massive hurt on Russia for a long time to come.
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I am waiting for Russia to respond to the west knocking out their pipelines.
whatever the west does now in response to the eastern
provinces of ukraine being absorbed by Russia will only push this entire world into collapse.
I was talking to a few 30 something chicks what they thought about all this. They had zero idea of what I was talking about.
 
jward

jward

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Walrus said:
I have to confess I never thought of slitting a pool noodle to use as a toilet seat for a bucket. That's pretty clever.
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sounds impossible to disinfect. If I didnt' at least have a seperate one for each person, I would not use it at all. Particularly if the doom-dajour was some biological hazard, of course, or one likely to spawn some of the "minor" unintended consequences of an outbreak of illness.
 
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raven

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jed turtle said:
I am waiting for Russia to respond to the west knocking out their pipelines.
whatever the west does now in response to the eastern
provinces of ukraine being absorbed by Russia will only push this entire world into collapse.
I was talking to a few 30 something chicks what they thought about all this. They had zero idea of what I was talking about.
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it will be interesting to watch.

My initial impression of blowing the pipeline is that it was an attack designed to provoke a reaction.

Will Putin display an emotional kinetic reaction to the Pipeline that busts the plan
or
Will he stick to the plan on the ground with only minor adjustments if a nice big juicy opportunity falls in his lap.
 
jward

jward

passin' thru
As expected, that was a nonstarter out of the gate; apparently the request getting shut down so quickly was a surprise- at least to some...

Samuel Ramani
@SamRamani2

BREAKING: The U.S. says Ukraine's NATO membership application "should be taken up at a different time"

3:18 PM · Sep 30, 2022
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Walrus

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raven said:
it will be interesting to watch.

My initial impression of blowing the pipeline is that it was an attack designed to provoke a reaction.

Will Putin display an emotional kinetic reaction to the Pipeline that busts the plan
or
Will he stick to the plan on the ground with only minor adjustments if a nice big juicy opportunity falls in his lap.
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My take is that he's not going to get all emotional over the pipeline sabotage and will generally stick with the plan, but I wouldn't be surprised to see the Russkies take advantage of some targets of opportunity should they present themselves.

He looked confident and poised today.
 
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raven

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jward said:
sounds impossible to disinfect. If I didnt' at least have a seperate one for each person, I would not use it at all. Particularly if the doom-dajour was some biological hazard, of course, or one likely to spawn some of the "minor" unintended consequences of an outbreak of illness.
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Single use disposable bags.

And on that thought . . .
It is concerning when you scan across your "normal" list of forums, blogs, aggregators, etc and they all have the same analysis in different words.

yea, single use disposable bags.
 
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mecoastie

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kochevnik said:
IF Lyman has fallen to the Russians (again) thats VERY good news from the standpoint of nukes being used.

The @WarMonitor3 post just above that says the Ukrainians are about to encircle Lyman and wipe out the Russians.

One of those is absolutely wrong (or slow news).

And - if the Russians were able to push back the Ukrainians so quickly in such a desperate situation thats not good news for Zelensky and Biden either.
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Guessing somebody mistyped Russians and meant Ukrainians.
 
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