ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread

Grumphau

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It would be interesting if Russia started shipping grain from Mariupol to anyone that was willing to violate US sanctions.

What is NATO going to do? Blockade them or sink them?
Maybe keep them from leaving the Black Sea. The whole sea is basically surrounded by Russia and countries annoyed at Russia.
 

vector7

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J.R. Nyquist discusses the recently leaked audio of a conference/planning session of Chinese Communist Party officials and PLA generals where an invasion of Taiwan/the US and Beijing's overall war plan against America (44min)

In this interview, Nevin speaks with geopolitical analyst/author J.R. Nyquist on the recently leaked audio of a
conference/planning session of Chinese Communist Party officials and PLA generals where an invasion of Taiwan/the US and Beijing's overall war plan against America.

May, 25 2022
View: https://youtu.be/4czJGx-sscc
 

von Koehler

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Is Russia signaling there might be an escalation coming? Pulling assets home. I don't think it is becuase of Ukraine directly. Turkey is signaling it is going on the offensive in Norther Syria.

Or it could be that Russian losses are high and Putin is calling back all the men and equipment he can find.

Recently 60 year old tanks have seen on railroad cars in Ukraine. These tanks are the first generation made after WWII and they wouldn't be much more than target practice against modern weapons.
 

Tex88

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According to the video you posted the ownership of the tanks is not known. I was unable to locate any inventory on any website showing they had these tanks in storage. The references on Telegram say they were transferred to Tajikistan some time ago, they were hoping they would be used as decoys.

LOL, they're gonna break out the Stalin 3 tanks next!
 

Grumphau

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LOL, they're gonna break out the Stalin 3 tanks next!


According to the video you posted the ownership of the tanks is not known. I was unable to locate any inventory on any website showing they had these tanks in storage. The references on Telegram say they were transferred to Tajikistan some time ago, they were hoping they would be used as decoys.

With today's tech, they could be fitted for remote control and driven as decoy drones (no loading and firing the old guns of course)
 

WTSR

Veteran Member
With today's tech, they could be fitted for remote control and driven as decoy drones (no loading and firing the old guns of course)

Possible but seems risky in wartime environment.

Wikipedia.

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Russia – At least 2,000 were inherited from the Soviet Union. 761 were in active service in 1995. 191 were in active service and 1,929 in storage as of 2000. During 2013 all the tanks of the model and its modifications were allegedly scrapped[64] – later it was found this was not true, as Russia reactivated numerous T-62s to resupply the Syrian Army.[65] According to the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, due to losses in the war in Ukraine, Russia pulled T-62Ms out of storage to replace T-72 losses
 

WTSR

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"According to unverified reports, the city of Liman has been lost. The way the Russian army captured it shows that there have very talented commanders, and this shows the increased level of operational management and skills of the Russian army.”
 

mistaken1

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Or it could be that Russian losses are high and Putin is calling back all the men and equipment he can find.

Recently 60 year old tanks have seen on railroad cars in Ukraine. These tanks are the first generation made after WWII and they wouldn't be much more than target practice against modern weapons.

Or in the recent call between russian and us military leaders was a deal struck to trade southern ukraine for syria?
Russia pulls out of syria and nato forgoes the transfer of nato airplanes and tanks to ukraine.
 

von Koehler

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LOL, they're gonna break out the Stalin 3 tanks next!

I wouldn't be surprised if Russia still has some T 34's in storage.

Supposedly the main tank factory is out of commission because it lacks foreign sourced parts.

Ukrainian claims of Russian tank losses might be more accurate than previously acknowledged.
 
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von Koehler

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"According to unverified reports, the city of Liman has been lost. The way the Russian army captured it shows that there have very talented commanders, and this shows the increased level of operational management and skills of the Russian army.”

Or the Ukainian forces have retreated to more defendable positions?

Ukraine is out gunned and needs Western aid which just starting to arrive.
 

von Koehler

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I'm sure China can source or copy anything they need.

I am not so sure. Modern tanks need a lot of electronics, like micro chips.

I have read that many tanks held in reserve need spare parts for repairs. Supposedly local officers sold them on the black market. Corruption is wide spread.
 
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WTSR

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Or the Ukainian forces have retreated to more defendable positions?

Ukraine is out gunned and needs Western aid which just starting to arrive.

That quote was from the Ukrainian Oleksiy Arestovych who is a apparently a Ukrainian presidential adviser,
 

von Koehler

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A possible long shot diplomatic move would allow Ukrainian AND Russian grain freighters safe passage through the Black Sea.
 

mecoastie

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I'm sure China can source or copy anything they need.
Chinese tank design parted ways with Soviet tank design decades ago. I dont know how much is compatible at this point. Are the Russians in a solid enough financial position to pay for Chinese industry to make a run of parts? Is it in China's best interest to do that especially if they are looking at Taiwan?

As for the T62s I had heard that they were originally destined for the Syrians or the Libyans but have been rerouted to Russian reserve units or local militia units. These were supposedly recently upgraded so they may be the best of what Russia has in its running reserve storage right now. It doesnt seem to matter what type of tank it is if it gets hit by a Javelin or other modern ATGM it is done.
 

raven

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A possible long shot diplomatic move would allow Ukrainian AND Russian grain freighters safe passage through the Black Sea.
except they can't
diplomacy requires negotiation and the Russians want them to remove the sanctions

but they can't because part of the sanction are the yachts, and property and bank reserves that were confiscated by "the west".

and they can't remove the sanctions because . . . they already sold the property and spent the loot . . . there is nothing left to return . . .

they can't remove the sanctions because they never intended to return any of the property they stole confiscated.
 

northern watch

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Russia has the advantage in eastern Ukraine. Now it's pressing for a crucial win.
Patrick Galey - 5h ago
NBC News
May 26 2022

Russia is tightening the noose on Ukrainian troops in the country's east.

A fierce ground and artillery assault has seen Moscow's forces advance, and they now appear close to encircling the last two hold-out cities in Luhansk province — which together with neighboring Donetsk forms the Donbas region that has become the key focus of the Kremlin’s war.


With Ukrainian officials voicing concern their troops are now outmanned and outgunned, this Russian push could prove a decisive moment in the conflict.

In recent days Russian forces have used heavy artillery, airstrikes and infantry to close in on the cities of Severodonetsk and Lysyschansk, the last two cities under Ukrainian control in Luhansk, U.S.-based military think tank the Institute for the Study of War said in its most recent update on the situation.

If Russia succeeds in surrounding the two cities, which sit on either side of the strategic Siversky Donets River, they would be entirely cut off from territory under Ukrainian control. Ukrainian troops have been retreating from surrounding towns and villages in recent days.

Michael Kofman, the research program director in the Russia Studies Program at CNA, a Washington-area think tank, said on Twitter that “recent Russian gains offer a sobering check on expectations for the near term."

He said that while the conflict’s overall balance of power still lay with Ukraine and its Western allies, “the local balance in the Donbas during this phase is a different story.”

That will provide welcome relief for Russian President Vladimir Putin, who has until now had little to show for the invasion he launched three months ago.

Oleksiy Arestovych, an advisor to President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, said that Ukrainian defenses were struggling to keep up with Russia’s onslaught.

“We’ve now lost to the Russian army in terms of pace,” he said in an interview with an independent Russian media outlet.
“The Russian side managed to gather its reserves before we did. We’re lagging behind, which makes the situation at the front extremely difficult.”

Luhanks's regional governor, Serhiy Haidai, said Russia had shelled the highway linking the two cities with neighboring Donetsk province, damaging a vital route through which Ukraine has been sending reinforcements and supplies.
However he denied claims that the road had been cut off completely.

A unit of Russian troops approached the Lysychansk-Bakhmut highway on Wednesday, “but they were quickly knocked out,” Haidai said on Telegram.

“However the highway is still being shot at,” he said. “The Russians are making every effort to occupy the region.”

Michael A. Horowitz, a geopolitical and security analyst, and head of intelligence at Le Beck consultancy, told NBC News the situation for Ukrainian troops in Severodonetsk and Lysychansk was “very dire.”

“They are on the verge of being surrounded,” he said. “There are basically two roads to Severodonetsk and Lysychansk, and one of them is very close to being cut.”

A destroyed building in Severodonetsk (Yasuyoshi Chiba / AFP via Getty Images)
© Yasuyoshi ChibaA destroyed building in Severodonetsk (Yasuyoshi Chiba / AFP via Getty Images)

Deputy defense minister Hanna Maliar, meanwhile, said Russia was engaging Ukrainian forces in "intense fire" in the neighboring Donetsk region.

"The enemy used all forces and means to capture our territory and surround our troops," she told reporters. "The fighting has reached its maximum intensity to date."

After months of battlefield setbacks and the grinding siege of the Black Sea port of Mariupol, Russia’s brutal advance in Luhansk has renewed concerns about the conflict's endgame.

If Russia is able to secure control of a large slice of the east, might Ukraine be better off accepting that as the price of survival?

Former Secretary of state Henry Kissinger suggested exactly that at the World Economic Forum this week as he called for a resumption of peace talks between Moscow and Kyiv, warning that failing to engage Russia diplomatically would have long-term consequences for European stability.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, in his daily address Wednesday, likened Kissinger’s call for diplomacy with Moscow to European attempts to appease Nazi Germany in the run up to World War II.

“Kissinger emerges from the deep past and says that a piece of Ukraine should be given to Russia. So that there is no alienation of Russia from Europe,” said Zelenskyy
.

“It seems that Mr. Kissinger’s calendar is not 2022, but 1938, and he thought he was talking to an audience not in Davos, but in Munich of that time.”

Zelenskyy did concede that Ukrainian positions in Luhansk were vulnerable, warning that “in some areas the enemy is substantially superior in terms of equipment [and] number of soldiers.”

But pouring defensive troops into the area may not be the solution, experts cautioned.

“Ukraine generally has a lot of leeway in terms of reinforcements that it could send because they are on a war footing,” said Horowitz.

“But in this specific area, they have to decide whether they want to defend that area until the end at the risk of potentially losing the units that they send or actually just just pull back to more defensible positions.”

Russia has the advantage in eastern Ukraine. Now it's pressing for a crucial win. (msn.com)
 

Squid

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"According to unverified reports, the city of Liman has been lost. The way the Russian army captured it shows that there have very talented commanders, and this shows the increased level of operational management and skills of the Russian army.”
What does ‘there have very talented commanders’ mean? Asking for a friend...
 

AlfaMan

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Or it could be that Russian losses are high and Putin is calling back all the men and equipment he can find.

Recently 60 year old tanks have seen on railroad cars in Ukraine. These tanks are the first generation made after WWII and they wouldn't be much more than target practice against modern weapons.

Those T-62's are heading back to their home-T-62s were made in Kharkiv, Ukraine. These are the tanks that were supposed to have been scrapped in the early 2010's.

The T-62 was a development of the T-55.
 

inskanoot

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J.R. Nyquist discusses the recently leaked audio of a conference/planning session of Chinese Communist Party officials and PLA generals where an invasion of Taiwan/the US and Beijing's overall war plan against America (44min)

In this interview, Nevin speaks with geopolitical analyst/author J.R. Nyquist on the recently leaked audio of a
conference/planning session of Chinese Communist Party officials and PLA generals where an invasion of Taiwan/the US and Beijing's overall war plan against America.

May, 25 2022
View: https://youtu.be/4czJGx-sscc


In the Populist Roundtable video, Nyquist says that around 20 years ago, a journalist (accompanied by Chinese language translators) interviewed Chinese soldiers for a documentary. They said that they were being trained to invade the USA, not Taiwan. The Chinese confiscated the film and kicked out the journalist. Nyquist was the only person who would listen to her story.

He said that China’s current movements don’t make sense for an invasion of Taiwan and that they’ve pretty much already infiltrated Taiwan with local billionaires and civilian (?) groups. The plan has been to first use a virus to kill off as many Americans as possible, even though they could never find a virus that they were happy with.

The tonnage of military assets being deployed suggests that the Chinese are preparing for what they call “the final war”, divvying up the USA with Russia.

In the recent audiotape that is the focus of this video, someone said that he thinks the hundreds of millions of Chinese who are now in rebellion can be manipulated to refocus their hatred against the USA when China counter-attacks.

I welcome anyone’s corrections/refinements of my summary. Now, where’s the hair-burning gif?

:hof::hof::hof:
 
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vector7

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【Top Secret Recording】War Mobilization Meeting of PLA & Guangdong Province-Full Version (1hr)

Inconvenient Truths by Jennifer Zeng

May 21, 2022

This channel was banned for 2 weeks after I posted this. I have an update video about how the meeting got recorded, and why there are conflicting voices in the audio here, please watch: https://youtu.be/Atlgc0Be0uU

This is the entire audio file of a top-secret war mobilization of PLA's South War Zone & Guangdong Province on May 14, 2022.

Main points and corresponding time codes:

Three Tasks and Suggestions for Normal to War Transition: 0:00
Proposal to Accomplish the Mission of Securing resources and Ensuring Strategic Victory: 2:37
Deployment Decision of the Governor and the Secretary of the Provincial Party Committee: 4:06
Mobilization Focus: Coordinating the Taiwan Strait and South China Sea: 5:42
Command Structure, Operational Decision-making Mechanism, And Four Information And Communication Links: 9:14
Types and Quantities of Mobilization Tasks in Guangdong Province: 14:46
Mobilization Modes, Tasks and Progress: 18:48
The Coordination of National Strategic Resources: 22:55
Recruitment: 24:13
Maritime Support and Ship Retrofitting: 27:31
Shipboard Personnel Recruitment and Deployment: 29:27
Mobilization of Drones, Unmanned Boats, and Other High-tech Equipment: 32:31
Cyber Attacks and Network Protection: 34:11
Space Support: 35:39
Overseas Mobilization: 38:27
Strengthen the Big-Picture Awareness, Take Advantage of Comprehensive Advantage, and Resolutely Complete the Task: 39:41
Ground Defensive Operations: 42:44
Two Options of the Usage of Other Assigned Forces: 46:12
Three Principles of Defensive Operations and a Comparison of the Two Options For the Use of The Assigned Forces: 48:17
Defense of Nuclear Power Plants and High-risk, Sensitive Targets: 52:09
Strengthening Political Field Protection and Taking Full Advantage of the People's War: 53:40
The Commander's Decision On Defensive Operations: 54:56

The original Chinese audio file was released by Lude Media at https://youtu.be/h6LT5y5YaSo The full English transcript of this audio file is at https://www.jenniferzengblog.com/home...

View: https://youtu.be/WUDKWh0QQn0
 

WTSR

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The situation at the front is "awful" for us, - Alexey Obdristovich Arestovich

"We are being taken out by long-range weapons. And we have nothing to oppose the enemy yet," Zelensky's representative said.
 

Walrus

Veteran Member

The situation at the front is "awful" for us, - Alexey Obdristovich Arestovich

"We are being taken out by long-range weapons. And we have nothing to oppose the enemy yet," Zelensky's representative said.
Duh .... You need to consult with your US political and media cheerleaders to put a better face on your disaster, Lucya. Or maybe consult some of those long-winded analysts who are sitting at their air-conditioned desks writing about irrelevant bits of data while overlooking a nice park. They should be paying attention to the battle zones where things are happening.
 

jward

passin' thru
Moscow pours cold water on Italian peace plan for Ukraine

Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov on Thursday dismissed a plan for peace in Ukraine proposed by Italy.

Lavrov said was he familiar with its contents only through the media as a copy had not been received by Moscow.

However, his deputy Andrei Rudenko said Monday that the ministry received Italy's proposal and was studying it.

For the latest headlines, follow our Google News channel online or via the app.

Lavrov said in an interview with Russia’s RT that the plan envisages annexed Crimea and regions controlled by pro-Moscow separatists in eastern Ukraine “will be part of Ukraine with broad autonomy.”

“Serious politicians who want to achieve results and not promote themselves in front of their electorate, don’t propose things like that” he said in an apparent reference to Italy’s Foreign Minister Luigi Di Maio.

Di Maio last week proposed to the United Nations a four-point peace plan to end fighting in Ukraine, where Russia has been carrying out a military campaign since February 24.

Read more:
Ukraine says war in east at ‘maximum intensity’
Russia says has not seen Italian peace plan for Ukraine

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jward

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https://news.sky.com/story/we-need-to-hold-back-this-horde-shelling-intensifies-in-the-donbas-region-as-russian-soldiers-try-to-encircle-key-cities-12622223
'We need to hold back this horde': Shelling intensifies in the Donbas region as Russian soldiers try to encircle key cities
'We need to hold back this horde': Shelling intensifies in the Donbas region as Russian soldiers try to encircle key cities
After abandoning its attempt to seize control of the Ukrainian capital Kyiv early in May, Russia moved to concentrate on Donbas, which includes the provinces of Luhansk and Donetsk.


Friday 27 May 2022 04:40, UK



Injured woman in Severodonetsk


Shelling has intensified in the city of Severodonetsk - one of the few parts of the Luhansk region in Donbas that is still under Ukrainian government control.
Russian forces are attacking from three sides in an effort to encircle the city and neighbouring Lysychansk, knowing that if they fall, nearly all of Luhansk will be under Russian control.

Serhiy Gaidai, the governor of Luhansk, said that around 50 Russian soldiers had reached an important highway, managing to "gain a foothold" and set up a checkpoint.
"The checkpoint was broken, they were thrown back...the Russian army does not control the route now, but they are shelling it."
He said the Ukrainian fighters might leave "one settlement, maybe two", but he added: "We need to win the war, not the battle".

"It is clear that our boys are slowly retreating to more fortified positions - we need to hold back this horde."
Russia launched a full invasion of Ukraine in late February but it has backed separatists in the southern Donbas region since 2014.
 
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