ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread

jward

passin' thru
been going on for days now, why the uptick in reporting it :hmm:

Global: MilitaryInfo
@Global_Mil_Info

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Ukraine has officially requested that the U.S. send National Guard units per officials to FP.






Global: MilitaryInfo
@Global_Mil_Info

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Officials to FP have said that they are seeing preliminary signs of Russia establishing a supply line near Ukraine - they are seeing the deployment of field hospitals, radio jamming equipment, military ambulances & modified MBTs (defense against drones/javelins).
 

jward

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Biden to warn Putin U.S. will add troops in Eastern Europe if Russia invades Ukraine

Dave Lawler
Dave Lawler






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Putin meets Biden in Geneva. Photo: Peter Klaunzer - Pool/Keystone via Getty
President Biden will warn Russian President Vladimir Putin when they speak on Tuesday that if Russia invades Ukraine, the U.S. is prepared to increase its troop presence, capabilities and military exercises on NATO's "eastern flank," a senior administration official told reporters.
Why it matters: The administration believes it's increasingly likely that Putin will order an invasion.
  • Biden is not threatening to respond militarily to defend Ukraine, but to hit Putin with sanctions, bolster the defenses of NATO allies like the Baltic states, and send Ukraine more equipment to defend itself.
The big picture: Russia has deployed tens of thousands of troops at various points near the border, and is "stepping up its planning for significant military action against Ukraine," the senior official said on a briefing call to preview the Biden-Putin conversation.
  • The White House has also warned that the Kremlin is stepping up a disinformation campaign against Ukraine, potentially as a pretext to blame Kyiv for any military clash.
  • “We do not know whether President Putin has made a decision about further military escalation in Ukraine. But we do know that he is putting in place the capacity to engage in such escalation should he decide to do so," the official said.
The other side: Putin has set out red lines of his own ahead of the call, including the potential deployment by NATO of offensive missiles systems on Ukrainian territory.
  • He's also seeking a legally binding guarantee that NATO will not expand eastward, including to Ukraine.
  • In addition, Moscow has objected to NATO exercises near the Russian borders, and increased cooperation between the alliance and Ukraine.
Between the lines: Ukraine is seeking membership in the alliance and Putin is seeking guarantees that Ukraine will never be invited to join. Both prospects currently appear remote.
  • Whether or not Putin orders an invasion, his troop movements have moved Russia from a secondary priority to the top of Biden's in-tray.
Asked if the U.S. military could intervene directly if Russia invades, the senior official said that the U.S. was "not seeking to end up in a circumstance in which the focus of our countermeasures is the direct use of military force."
  • The official reiterated that the focus would instead be sanctions, coordinated with Europe, as well as support for the Ukrainian military and "a substantial increase in support and capability to our NATO allies to ensure they remain safe."
The bottom line: Putin has proved time and again that he is not deterred by Western sanctions, but he may be deterred by the high military cost of invading Ukraine, says Dmitri Trenin of Carnegie Moscow.



 

reaganchick

Contributing Member
been going on for days now, why the uptick in reporting it :hmm:
Global: MilitaryInfo
@Global_Mil_Info

2m

Ukraine has officially requested that the U.S. send National Guard units per officials to FP.



Global: MilitaryInfo
@Global_Mil_Info

26m

Officials to FP have said that they are seeing preliminary signs of Russia establishing a supply line near Ukraine - they are seeing the deployment of field hospitals, radio jamming equipment, military ambulances & modified MBTs (defense against drones/javelins).
2 birds 1 stone? Activate “wayward” NG units/States, vax, then send in to harm’s way? One way to send a message.
 

jward

passin' thru
US says it will send troops to eastern Europe if Russia invades Ukraine
Andrew Roth

8-11 minutes


The US has said it would send reinforcements to Nato’s eastern flank in the wake of a Russian invasion of Ukraine, as well as imposing severe new economic measures, in a warning to Moscow on the eve of talks between Joe Biden and Vladimir Putin.
Biden will also make clear to Putin that the US will not rule out future Ukrainian membership of Nato, as the Russian leader has demanded, a senior US official said.

With an estimated Russian 100,000 troops already gathered within striking distance of the borders, the crisis is the worst since 2015, when Moscow staged a large-scale incursion into Ukraine, clandestinely sending tanks and artillery to encircle Ukrainian troops and compel Kyiv to sign a peace agreement in Minsk that has since come close to collapse.
The official pointed out in a briefing to reporters before the Biden-Putin video summit that the first Russian military intervention in Ukraine led to more US troops and equipment to be deployed in eastern Europe, and there would be similar response this time.

“It would certainly be the case that if Putin moved in, there would be an increasing request from eastern flank allies, and a positive response from the United States, for additional forces and capabilities and exercises to take place there to ensure the safety and security of our eastern flank allies in the face of that kind of aggression in Ukraine,” the official said, but made clear that Biden would not be threatening a direct US military response.

“The United States is not seeking to end up in a circumstance in which the focus on our countermeasures is the direct use of American military force, as opposed to a combination of support for the Ukrainian military, strong economic countermeasures, and a substantial increase in support and capability to our Nato allies to ensure that they remain safe,” the senior official said, adding he would not disclose “what the president is going to say on the question of under what circumstances the US military could get involved”.

The official said “substantial economic countermeasures” from the US and Europe could “impose significant and severe economic harm on the Russian economy”.
Biden was due to talk to European leaders on Monday in preparation for the Putin summit with the aim of ensuring that he will be presenting a united front. The US secretary of state, Antony Blinken, will also consult the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, before the Putin call.

Putin has said that he will seek “security guarantees” for Russia, including a ban on Nato enlargement or military support for Ukraine. The White House made clear that would not be up for discussion.
“The US has consistently expressed support for the principle that every country has the sovereign right to make its own decisions with respect to its security,” the US official said. “That remains US policy today and will remain US policy in the future. So that much is straightforward and clear.”
Russia has virtually frozen direct contacts with the Ukraine government and Zelenskiy, whom it has accused of preparing his own attack against regions of south-east Ukraine controlled by Russian-backed forces. Ukraine has strongly denied the claims.

The Ukraine defence minister, Oleksii Reznikov, on Friday told its parliament that Russia had an estimated 94,000 troops near the Ukrainian border and may be preparing an offensive beginning in late January. US officials have given similar estimates of Russian troop numbers and potential timeline for an attack as Putin upped his rhetoric about the west crossing Russia’s “red lines” in terms of providing military support to the Kyiv government.
Both western and Russian analysts have said that Moscow is making a credible threat of launching a large-scale military offensive, although there are differing estimates to how likely a Russian offensive is and what may trigger it.
“This is the largest Russian military deployment completely out of cycle that we’ve probably seen period, certainly since 2014,” said Michael Kofman, the research programme director in the Russia studies programme at the CNA security thinktank.

Kofman said the size of the build-up, the second this year, unusual troops movements and efforts to prepare reservists was far more elaborate than required to send a credible threat to Ukraine and its western allies.
“You could intimidate or scare people with a much smaller force, much more visibly deployed,” he said.
The Russian government has accused Washington of creating a war hysteria, but Putin has publicly directed government officials to maintain high levels of tension with the west to make sure that its interests are not ignored.
Ukrainians have strongly opposed having their fate dictated by the Russian government and officials have called for more military and economic support from the west.
Fyodor Lukyanov, a prominent Russian foreign policy analyst, said that he did not believe Russia was imminently preparing to launch an offensive.

But Moscow had shown that it was ready to use force if it could not negotiate a change to the post-cold war security arrangement in Europe, he said.
“There is a real red line,” he said. “Right or wrong. But Russia perceives any kind of military alignment between Ukraine and the west, not necessarily Nato membership … that is seen here as absolutely unacceptable.”
He said Putin had shown a personal interest in the conflict’s outcome.

“He’s not under time pressure because I don’t see any signs that he is going to leave soon,” said Lukyanov. “But he sees his duty as president not to leave this problem for the next leadership.”
There are modest expectations for what Biden and Putin can achieve in Tuesday’s video call and much will depend on whether Russia at least halts its military build-up following the negotiations.
“I’d love them to walk out of this and see Russian forces start to pull back but I think the Russian forces are going to stay where they are until there’s more of a deal because they are Russia’s leverage,” said Olga Oliker, Crisis Group’s programme director for Europe and central Asia.

The decision of whether or not to engage with the Kremlin in negotiations has elicited strong opinions in Washington and in European capitals, where policy is often presented as either one of strict deterrence or appeasement.
Meanwhile, she said, the considerable Russian forces arrayed on Ukraine’s border were “reminding you that the unthinkable is there”.

Lukyanov said that just an agreement to hold further talks on European security could be viewed as a success in Moscow.
But after threatening an invasion for the second time since April, pressure is also growing on the Kremlin to walk away with a concrete win or risk seeing its threats disregarded in the future.
“Just to deescalate for nothing now would be a loss,” said Kofman.
 

Oreally

Right from the start
definitely mood a bit tenser here. at least one ever other street you see small groups of solders 2,3,5 going ?, and today for the first time i saw two older smart dressed officers making haste in my neighborhood. yesterday a sirens blasting small convoy of some sort from the airport to city center.
 

TorahTips

Membership Revoked
definitely mood a bit tenser here. at least one ever other street you see small groups of solders 2,3,5 going ?, and today for the first time i saw two older smart dressed officers making haste in my neighborhood. yesterday a sirens blasting small convoy of some sort from the airport to city center.
This may be a dumb question, but can you tell us about where you are? I understand if you cannot
 

cowboy

Veteran Member
I don't know if things are happening but it sure looks like people are starting to step back from a lot of places. Even in China it is hard to distinguish air tracts. One way traffic in other places of central Asia.
 

mecoastie

Veteran Member
So if Jackass Joe really did it (the SWIFT thing), what would Putin's response be?

Shut off all energy to Europe. Only issue there is can Putin afford to do that
definitely mood a bit tenser here. at least one ever other street you see small groups of solders 2,3,5 going ?, and today for the first time i saw two older smart dressed officers making haste in my neighborhood. yesterday a sirens blasting small convoy of some sort from the airport to city center.
I don't get why the Ukraine would request NG troops versus fully trained Regular Army troops.....if this a true and actual statement.
It is National Guard units that are doing the training of Ukrainian troops. If true maybe it is to train more.
 

danielboon

TB Fanatic
Is there a way to open these twayter links without clicking on them?
EndGameWW3

@EndGameWW3


Ukraine: Interesting the way they worded this tweet...'ready for offensive actions'
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Генеральний штаб ЗСУ

@GeneralStaffUA
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Combined Resolve 16. Ukrainian mechanized company conducted last preparations and ready for the offensive actions #ЗСУ #AFU #Combinedresolve #Strogertogether
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okie-carbine

Veteran Member
I can already hear and see Milley on the lame stream nightly news with his makeup and medals... I have received no clear evidence that Russia was in a position to attack Ukraine.
 

Samuel Adams

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Biden to warn Putin U.S. will add troops in Eastern Europe if Russia invades Ukraine
Dave Lawler
Dave Lawler






Featured image

Putin meets Biden in Geneva. Photo: Peter Klaunzer - Pool/Keystone via Getty
President Biden will warn Russian President Vladimir Putin when they speak on Tuesday that if Russia invades Ukraine, the U.S. is prepared to increase its troop presence, capabilities and military exercises on NATO's "eastern flank," a senior administration official told reporters.
Why it matters: The administration believes it's increasingly likely that Putin will order an invasion.
  • Biden is not threatening to respond militarily to defend Ukraine, but to hit Putin with sanctions, bolster the defenses of NATO allies like the Baltic states, and send Ukraine more equipment to defend itself.
The big picture: Russia has deployed tens of thousands of troops at various points near the border, and is "stepping up its planning for significant military action against Ukraine," the senior official said on a briefing call to preview the Biden-Putin conversation.
  • The White House has also warned that the Kremlin is stepping up a disinformation campaign against Ukraine, potentially as a pretext to blame Kyiv for any military clash.
  • “We do not know whether President Putin has made a decision about further military escalation in Ukraine. But we do know that he is putting in place the capacity to engage in such escalation should he decide to do so," the official said.
The other side: Putin has set out red lines of his own ahead of the call, including the potential deployment by NATO of offensive missiles systems on Ukrainian territory.
  • He's also seeking a legally binding guarantee that NATO will not expand eastward, including to Ukraine.
  • In addition, Moscow has objected to NATO exercises near the Russian borders, and increased cooperation between the alliance and Ukraine.
Between the lines: Ukraine is seeking membership in the alliance and Putin is seeking guarantees that Ukraine will never be invited to join. Both prospects currently appear remote.
  • Whether or not Putin orders an invasion, his troop movements have moved Russia from a secondary priority to the top of Biden's in-tray.
Asked if the U.S. military could intervene directly if Russia invades, the senior official said that the U.S. was "not seeking to end up in a circumstance in which the focus of our countermeasures is the direct use of military force."
  • The official reiterated that the focus would instead be sanctions, coordinated with Europe, as well as support for the Ukrainian military and "a substantial increase in support and capability to our NATO allies to ensure they remain safe."
The bottom line: Putin has proved time and again that he is not deterred by Western sanctions, but he may be deterred by the high military cost of invading Ukraine, says Dmitri Trenin of Carnegie Moscow.




Ah......appealing strongly to Vlad’s sense of humor.....

Savvy.
 

vestige

Deceased
well, on the positive side, i'm learning to sing and perform and play music professionally, and a woman whom i simply adore , said 'maybe' , when i asked her to marry me... finger crossed on that one...

and , being a serious prepper, i have two great BOLs in the sticks (seriously)worked out, just in case.

i will keep everyone up to date as i can.
What are considered "in the sticks" in Ukraine?
 

Marie

Veteran Member
Biden is pissin in our cheerios. Putin will dismiss the diaper patrol at the earliest convenience tommorrow if the lol f@(%er doesn't go to far. Otherwise we may be powerless and communcationless in short order. Along with a full blown war on that side of the globe at the very least.
 

Techwreck

Veteran Member
Biden goes to anger very quickly if questioned or disagreed with.
There were several heated outbursts when he was campaigning, and once he challenged someone to a push up contest, not the dog faced pony soldier though.
Hope he has a little more tact in discussing the Ukraine with Putin.
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
Biden is pissin in our cheerios. Putin will dismiss the diaper patrol at the earliest convenience tommorrow if the lol f@(%er doesn't go to far. Otherwise we may be powerless and communcationless in short order. Along with a full blown war on that side of the globe at the very least.
It just occurred to me that the DS has already conquered America, which lies impotent and dying under its boot. All that stands now in the way of One World controlled by them is Russia. (I guess they haven’t figured out how to sell Russia Dominion voting machines yet).

Picking a fight with Russia might well end up with what’s left of America being utterly de-fanged and unplugged.

i confess to be slow on the learning curve. I hope the rest of you had already put that together.
smart bunch here. I hope some of that rubs off on me...

but the final quiz and final grade hasn’t been handed out just yet.
but it’s coming...
 

jward

passin' thru





The Intel Crab
@IntelCrab

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A brief rundown of what we know tonight as @POTUS prepares for highly anticipated call with Putin: *Intelligence suggests 175,000+ RU troops involved in a massive, three pronged invasion deep into Ukrainian territory.
View: https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1468080782266744839?s=20


The Intel Crab
@IntelCrab

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Replying to
@IntelCrab
*Under direct Kremlin authorization, troops could commence offensive activities the second orders are given. Recent reports of freshly established fuel and supply lines only underscores this point. *Majority of armored units reside in FOBs within 200km of Ukrainian border.
There is, and I cannot stress this enough, an immediate and pressing threat of Russian offensive activities against Ukraine. Window of time from official authorization and the start of conflict would be incredibly small: far faster than even the 2014 Crimean annexation.
Posturing. Real action. Whatever it is, full focus should be placed on the region for the coming weeks. Tomorrow will be an excellent opportunity for the Biden administration to gage Putin's attitude/overall decorum on the topic. Wait and see, as they say. So we shall.
 

northern watch

TB Fanatic

The Intel Crab
@IntelCrab

36s

A brief rundown of what we know tonight as @POTUS prepares for highly anticipated call with Putin: *Intelligence suggests 175,000+ RU troops involved in a massive, three pronged invasion deep into Ukrainian territory.
View: https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1468080782266744839?s=20


The Intel Crab
@IntelCrab

1m

Replying to
@IntelCrab
*Under direct Kremlin authorization, troops could commence offensive activities the second orders are given. Recent reports of freshly established fuel and supply lines only underscores this point. *Majority of armored units reside in FOBs within 200km of Ukrainian border.
There is, and I cannot stress this enough, an immediate and pressing threat of Russian offensive activities against Ukraine. Window of time from official authorization and the start of conflict would be incredibly small: far faster than even the 2014 Crimean annexation.
Posturing. Real action. Whatever it is, full focus should be placed on the region for the coming weeks. Tomorrow will be an excellent opportunity for the Biden administration to gage Putin's attitude/overall decorum on the topic. Wait and see, as they say. So we shall.
We may be only hours away from the start of the Russian invasion.
 

jward

passin' thru
I don't get why the Ukraine would request NG troops versus fully trained Regular Army troops.....if this a true and actual statement.
We've been using our NG to train em so that's probably the reason, I'd guess. Although Chuck will come along and chastise us if we suggest we believe the official story that we've sent them, in the past, in noncombat and advisory roles : )
 

jward

passin' thru
Well I will set out the party platters and get the punch 100 proofed----
...I still think we have a wee bit, at least till it gets all loud, shocky and awe-ie. Real wars are very formal dances it seems, we'll all know once it's for reals

I do hope our resident Ukranian has gone ahead and bought up all the taters and carrots he spoke of, and cabbages as well, though. . .

We may be only hours away from the start of the Russian invasion.
 

northern watch

TB Fanatic

The Intel Crab
@IntelCrab



The real red lights to look for?

*Unexpected #Kremlin meetings with NSC/top generals.
*Sudden diplomatic movements.
*Commodity prices/RUB-USD changes.
*Increase in NATO aerial recon.
*Civilian notices/civil defense bulletins in border regions.
I wonder how the stock markets will react? I suspect that smart money meaning "those that know" may leave the market before the rest?
 

northern watch

TB Fanatic
Well I will set out the party platters and get the punch 100 proofed----
...I still think we have a wee bit, at least till it gets all loud, shocky and awe-ie. Real wars are very formal dances it seems, we'll all know once it's for reals

I do hope our resident Ukranian has gone ahead and bought up all the taters and carrots he spoke of, and cabbages as well, though. . .
Yes, If we get a heads-up, it will be from the "resident"
 

jward

passin' thru
Tom Wright
@thomaswright08




Very interesting piece from a Russian perspective on the Ukraine crisis. Concludes an invasion won’t happen but also, more intriguingly, spells out what might unfold if it did

War Between Russia and Ukraine: A Basic Scenario?

Concern is growing in the Western media over Russian military activity in the southwestern theatre. There are opinions that Russia is preparing a military campaign against Ukraine. The supposed goal is to break the deadlock of the Minsk Agreements, to impose further coexistence conditions on Kiev and its Western partners, to prevent the US and NATO from “developing” the territory of Ukraine for military purposes, and also to reformat the country’s political system and its state structure. Such rumours are spreading quickly, causing alarm among the political leaders of foreign countries as well as latent, albeit tangible fears in the business community. However, it is still premature to consider such a development as a baseline scenario.



Ivan Timofeev:
A Grey Swan: Is There a New Conflict in Donbass?


Several circumstances speak in favour of the military scenario outlined by foreign commentators. The first is the recent experience of the Russian armed forces and the political consequences of their use. Moscow intervened in Georgia’s conflict with Abkhazia and South Ossetia in 2008, quickly changing the situation and recognising the two autonomies as independent states. In 2014, Russia carried out a lightning-fast operation in Crimea, creating conditions for the subsequent referendum on reunification. Later, the Ukrainian army was defeated in Donbass, and the political consequence was the formation of the LPR and DPR. In 2015, Moscow radically changed the military situation in Syria by deploying a compact but highly effective air group. The political result has been the preservation of power in the hands of the Assad government and the defeat of a number of terrorist groups. All these events indicate that Russia is ready to use force suddenly, in a concentrated manner and at the same time to seek concrete political changes.


The second circumstance is that the international political consequences for Russia which resulted from the military campaigns were relatively insufficient. No foreign state has intervened openly in these conflicts. Foreign military aid does not radically alter the balance of power. Economic sanctions in their current form harm the Russian economy, but they are still not the main factor contributing to existing problems. The economy itself is stable. In short, there are no major checks and balances on a new military campaign.


The third circumstance is that Russia is not ready to bear with the existing status quo in relations with Ukraine. Kiev is almost openly talking about sabotaging the Minsk agreements, and is not ready to implement them. The US and the EU cannot or do not want to change this; while at the same time they are verbally calling on Russia to abide by the agreements. Ukraine itself, after 2014, for obvious reasons, has been pursuing an anti-Russian line. The events of 2014 significantly strengthened the position of the nationalists. Any attempt to pursue a political dialogue with Russia is deemed unacceptable. A “mopping-up” of politicians who are in any way loyal to Russia is under way. Militarily weak and fearful of further complications with Moscow, Ukraine is seeking to deepen its defence ties with the United States and its allies, as well as trying to expand military aid and supplies. In Moscow, this is perceived as the “utilisation” of the territory of Ukraine by Western countries and is accompanied with subsequent threats to the strategic interests of Russia. Moscow considers the emergence of Western military infrastructure in Ukraine only a matter of time.


Taking into account these circumstances, a scenario where Russia takes action can be hypothetically considered in the West and in Ukraine in the following vein. With a sudden and decisive blow in several directions at once, Russian troops dismember the armed forces of Ukraine in the East of the country, surround separate groups, or press them against the Dnieper river. The actions of tank and motorised units are accompanied by powerful air, missile and artillery strikes. The Russian Aerospace Forces seize air supremacy. The apotheosis of the operation should be the encirclement and the subsequent capture of Kiev, and the stabilisation of the front line along the Dnieper. The creation of a new Ukrainian state with the capital in Kiev would be announced and recognised by Russia. It would include the previously-independent DPR and LPR. Russia thereby resolves several historical problems at once. The immediate threat to the southwestern borders is removed. Full control over the Sea of Azov and a land corridor to the Republic of Crimea are ensured. Two Ukrainian states appear on the map, one of which should be “friendly and fraternal”.


Even if one fails to write off this scenario as a reflection of existing phobias and nationalist complexes, it still seems unlikely for a number of reasons.


First, such a military conflict is unlikely to culminate in any intelligible agreement. A victory over the armed forces of Ukraine will not by itself lead to a fast peace. The war could develop into a long and sluggish confrontation, especially if part of the territory (for example, Western Ukraine) remains under the control of the Ukrainian armed forces. Capturing the whole of Ukraine is technically possible. However, it will be more costly, and subsequent control would be much more difficult. The option of “two Ukrainian states” would allow Russia to squeeze nationalists out by sending them West. Under a “one Ukraine” scenario, this would be impossible, given all the ensuing consequences.



Andrey Kortunov:
Nobody Wants a War in Donbass


Second, the conflict would inevitably lead to a sharp change in the Western approach toward providing Ukraine with modern weapons and military equipment. In the United States and in the West as a whole, the new situation would be considered as an emergency and they would not limit funds to support the armed forces of Ukraine. Moreover, in this case, all possible types of conventional weapons will be supplied. Large-scale military aid from the West would prolong the conflict. Russia would not be able to block such supplies. The United States and its allies will not enter open military confrontation with Moscow. However, the level of support for the Ukrainian army will grow significantly.


Third, regarding the Ukrainian issue, Russia would find itself in diplomatic isolation. It is unlikely that any country would voice support for Moscow’s actions. Unlike Crimea and Donbass, we’re talking about a large-scale and open clash between the armed forces, that is, about a full-fledged war. Russia would certainly be on the offensive. This would allow its actions to be classified as aggression without any problems. While the situation in Crimea and Donbass arose against the backdrop of revolutionary events in Ukraine and could be construed as part of a civil conflict, then in this scenario, such conditions are not visible. At the moment, there is no obvious conflict between the East and West of Ukraine. The legitimacy of Moscow’s actions in this case would be extremely weak, if not entirely impossible. In addition, Russia would have to bear responsibility for the civilian casualties, which would be inevitable in a large-scale conflict.


Fourth, all key Western players would introduce qualitatively new sanctions and restrictions against Russia. These would harm a number of Western countries and cause temporary shocks in world markets. But in an emergency situation, the West would take such measures, despite their economic cost. Possible measures include blocking sanctions against all Russian banks, including the Bank of Russia. This would largely cut Russia off from the global financial system. Another possible measure is a ban on the purchase of Russian oil, and then gas. Such bans can be increased gradually in order to avoid crisis situations with fuel supplies in the West itself. But in the event of a war in Ukraine, the West would take these measures. Other, more focused restrictions would be applied to imports and exports of oil and gas. The cumulative damage to the Russian economy would be colossal in scale.


Fifth, controlling Ukraine, even its eastern part, could be problematic. Taking into account the Western sanctions blockade, any transactions with the territories of Ukraine under Russian control would be impossible. Russia would have to take on a huge territory. The big question is whether the Russian market, in the grip of new sanctions, would be able to compensate for the damage to the Ukrainian territories under Russian control. The seizure of territories wouldn’t solve any of the problems facing the Russian economy today.


Sixth, the loyalty of the population of Eastern Ukraine to Russia is not obvious. Despite all the internal disagreements, over the past 30 years Ukraine has developed its own civic identity. The population of the eastern regions may have a negative attitude towards excessive nationalism. However, this does not guarantee their loyalty to Russia. Moreover, the war could finally undermine sympathy for Russia, which has already dwindled over the past six years.



Andrey Kortunov:
India — Pakistan and Russia — Ukraine: What if We Compare the Two?


Finally, seventh, the war is fraught with destabilisation of the situation inside Russia itself. There is no demand in society for a war with a neighbour, even despite the odiousness of the anti-Russia discourse in Ukraine. It is quite possible that Russian troops would be able to inflict resounding defeats on the armed forces of Ukraine and push them to the West. The losses, however, would still amount to hundreds, and possibly thousands of fighters. In the event of a possible prolongation of the conflict, human losses would become a permanent factor. Combined with a possible economic crisis, these are not the best conditions for generating public support. While reunification with Crimea was accepted with enthusiasm in Russian society for many reasons, a big war is unlikely to find such support.


In other words, the costs of a possible war far outweigh the benefits. The war is fraught with significant risks to the economy, political stability and Russian foreign policy. It fails to solve key security problems, while it creates many new ones.


The question arises—to whom and under what conditions is this scenario beneficial? First of all, it is attractive precisely as a hypothetical rather than a real situation. In this form, it makes it possible to consolidate Ukraine on an anti-Russian basis, to seek the expansion of Western military aid, and to justify such aid to the West. The threat of war and an exercise of power can also be used by the Russian side. Moscow shows that it is technically ready for a radical scenario and will not allow its “red lines” to be crossed. These “red lines” include a military solution to the Donbass problem. In other words, the scenario has a practical meaning as a tool for information warfare and political signals.


From the point of view of the balance of benefits and losses, neither side is interested in a real war. Therefore, it is hardly worth considering the war scenario as a likely one. However, history knows many examples when rational calculations have failed to put an end to escalation. There is only the hope that this isn’t the case here.


First published in the Valdai Discussion Club.

 
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