northern watch
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So Biden will be the one to start WW3
Apex
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Asked if he accepts Putin's red line in Ukraine, @POTUS replies: "I won't accept anybody's red line."
View: https://twitter.com/Apex_WW/status/1466989210993410049?s=20
ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread
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okie-carbine
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Do you think a Nuclear Strike from USA or ally would change his thinking during his first strike?Old Archer Russia won't waste time on the militia running around playing soldier. Putin will do what stalin did to the kulaks. Anybody not killed outright will be deported east to siberia or west towards central europe.
It will be a NASTY fight. Bodies will stack up.
A week after russia invades it will be over. As regards moi, amigo. I figure I got one good firefight left in my rotting carcass.
Light infantry has its uses my friend.
Doomer Doug
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If JR Nquist is correct, Xi the Merciless is already inside our nuke command launch code systems, especially for our subs. I am also not seeing that the sheeple are quite getting exactly what "hypersonic cruise missiles, and torpedoes etc really are and what their technical abilities are.
I think our enemies get it. They get Pearl Harbor was a strategic failure and a tactical success. I am telling you all flatly that the message our enemies got is simple. KICK THE F%%^^^
out of the USA in a first strike that crushes us and renders us castrated and helpless. They are going to hit us so HARD we won't get back up.
biden is a brain dead crook, with a family of sleaze balls, and for the record, can ANYBODY tell Doomer Doug EXACTLY WHO HAS PHYSICAL CONTROL OF THE NUCLEAR FOOTBALL. Obama, his whore of a wife? maybe the two traitors Austin and/or Milley, or how about Camel Toes? I mean what a farce.
So yeah, my view is Putin and Xi, cunning, ruthless, brutal and thugs that they are, know the score.
The USA will be a different place for the demoncrats when 3/4 of the US Navy is VAPORIZED in the first6 hours, or we can't launch 50 army helicopters since the pilots are all grounded from taking the chinese bio weapon posing as a vaccine.
We are going to experience Kabul involving entire Army Groups, that is 75,000 wokesters, Carrier task groups, murdering 10,000 at a salvo, and an Air Force full of pilots that can't fly any better than the Army and Marine ones.
At least the leadership class will get shot dead, either fragged by their surviving troops or the Chinese pouring into the west coast. I call it treason, Old Archer, or even better a free fire zone. downtown Portland will be a a target rich environment as we used to say back when we still had a US Army.
Seriously, I trust you have all figured out we gonna all die. The list of people who want to kill us Patriots, Old Archer is a loooooong one.
I think our enemies get it. They get Pearl Harbor was a strategic failure and a tactical success. I am telling you all flatly that the message our enemies got is simple. KICK THE F%%^^^
out of the USA in a first strike that crushes us and renders us castrated and helpless. They are going to hit us so HARD we won't get back up.biden is a brain dead crook, with a family of sleaze balls, and for the record, can ANYBODY tell Doomer Doug EXACTLY WHO HAS PHYSICAL CONTROL OF THE NUCLEAR FOOTBALL. Obama, his whore of a wife? maybe the two traitors Austin and/or Milley, or how about Camel Toes? I mean what a farce.
So yeah, my view is Putin and Xi, cunning, ruthless, brutal and thugs that they are, know the score.
The USA will be a different place for the demoncrats when 3/4 of the US Navy is VAPORIZED in the first6 hours, or we can't launch 50 army helicopters since the pilots are all grounded from taking the chinese bio weapon posing as a vaccine.
We are going to experience Kabul involving entire Army Groups, that is 75,000 wokesters, Carrier task groups, murdering 10,000 at a salvo, and an Air Force full of pilots that can't fly any better than the Army and Marine ones.
At least the leadership class will get shot dead, either fragged by their surviving troops or the Chinese pouring into the west coast. I call it treason, Old Archer, or even better a free fire zone. downtown Portland will be a a target rich environment as we used to say back when we still had a US Army.
Seriously, I trust you have all figured out we gonna all die. The list of people who want to kill us Patriots, Old Archer is a loooooong one.
northern watch
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Yes, I think our enemies get it. They get Pearl Harbor was a strategic failure and a tactical success. Japan did not launch a third wave of attacks to destroy the oil storage tanks. If the oil storage tanks were destroyed, the US Navy would have been pushed back to the US west coast.If JR Nquist is correct, Xi the Merciless is already inside our nuke command launch code systems, especially for our subs. I am also not seeing that the sheeple are quite getting exactly what "hypersonic cruise missiles, and torpedoes etc really are and what their technical abilities are.
I think our enemies get it. They get Pearl Harbor was a strategic failure and a tactical success. I am telling you all flatly that the message our enemies got is simple. KICK THE F%%^^^
biden is a brain dead crook, with a family of sleaze balls, and for the record, can ANYBODY tell Doomer Doug EXACTLY WHO HAS PHYSICAL CONTROL OF THE NUCLEAR FOOTBALL. Obama, his whore of a wife? maybe the two traitors Austin and/or Milley, or how about Camel Toes? I mean what a farce.
So yeah, my view is Putin and Xi, cunning, ruthless, brutal and thugs that they are, know the score.
The USA will be a different place for the demoncrats when 3/4 of the US Navy is VAPORIZED in the first6 hours, or we can't launch 50 army helicopters since the pilots are all grounded from taking the chinese bio weapon posing as a vaccine.
We are going to experience Kabul involving entire Army Groups, that is 75,000 wokesters, Carrier task groups, murdering 10,000 at a salvo, and an Air Force full of pilots that can't fly any better than the Army and Marine ones.
At least the leadership class will get shot dead, either fragged by their surviving troops or the Chinese pouring into the west coast. I call it treason, Old Archer, or even better a free fire zone. downtown Portland will be a a target rich environment as we used to say back when we still had a US Army.
Seriously, I trust you have all figured out we gonna all die. The list of people who want to kill us Patriots, Old Archer is a loooooong one.
By not destroying the oil storage tanks, Japan lost the war in the Pacific on the first day it started. Six months later came the battle of Midway and Japan was on the defensive for the rest of the war.
coalcracker
Veteran Member
Good analysis, DD, but the problem they are going to have, the missing data in their AI analysis, is a little something I like to think of as a mix between “The Samson Complex” and “The Gideon 300.”
What might that be?
We have a few million people, well-armed and Christian, who won’t fear death. Many of these are older boomers who will see their duty to exchange the few remaining years of their lives for a martyr’s death in which they will gladly “kill a commie for mommy,” or in this case, for their grandkids.
Hey, AI, as intelligent as you are, you will sound just like the early GPS devices, “Recalculating.” Study the story of Gideon and of Samson. It isn’t always about numbers and horses. You have been warned.
Looks like you may need a bigger boat.
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Anybody and I mean anybody who thinks they can predict how a hot war between Russia and Ukraine and all the ancillary actors will play out is delusional.
This includes Putin and Xi.
The potential for misstep and miscalculation in this region is a Soro’s chaos loving wet dream.
Just based on history the possibility of actions and reactions becoming world war part three means this is no longer a strategic war game.
Did anyone else catch the possible Putin-‘Biden’ talks on Dec 7. What the hell is Obama’s and democrats obsession with major US tactical and strategic defeats on anniversary days.
This includes Putin and Xi.
The potential for misstep and miscalculation in this region is a Soro’s chaos loving wet dream.
Just based on history the possibility of actions and reactions becoming world war part three means this is no longer a strategic war game.
Did anyone else catch the possible Putin-‘Biden’ talks on Dec 7. What the hell is Obama’s and democrats obsession with major US tactical and strategic defeats on anniversary days.
that's what i am hearing and seeing
MountainBiker
Veteran Member
I don't pretend to have insight into who has what war-making capabilities internationally or even of who is in control domestically but a common theme I see in all manner of things American is the extent to which Americans think the rest of the world thinks just like us and values life in the manner that we do. Western Europe and various remnants of the former British empire yes, but not Russia or China.If JR Nquist is correct, Xi the Merciless is already inside our nuke command launch code systems, especially for our subs. I am also not seeing that the sheeple are quite getting exactly what "hypersonic cruise missiles, and torpedoes etc really are and what their technical abilities are.
I think our enemies get it. They get Pearl Harbor was a strategic failure and a tactical success. I am telling you all flatly that the message our enemies got is simple. KICK THE F%%^^^
biden is a brain dead crook, with a family of sleaze balls, and for the record, can ANYBODY tell Doomer Doug EXACTLY WHO HAS PHYSICAL CONTROL OF THE NUCLEAR FOOTBALL. Obama, his whore of a wife? maybe the two traitors Austin and/or Milley, or how about Camel Toes? I mean what a farce.
So yeah, my view is Putin and Xi, cunning, ruthless, brutal and thugs that they are, know the score.
The USA will be a different place for the demoncrats when 3/4 of the US Navy is VAPORIZED in the first6 hours, or we can't launch 50 army helicopters since the pilots are all grounded from taking the chinese bio weapon posing as a vaccine.
We are going to experience Kabul involving entire Army Groups, that is 75,000 wokesters, Carrier task groups, murdering 10,000 at a salvo, and an Air Force full of pilots that can't fly any better than the Army and Marine ones.
At least the leadership class will get shot dead, either fragged by their surviving troops or the Chinese pouring into the west coast. I call it treason, Old Archer, or even better a free fire zone. downtown Portland will be a a target rich environment as we used to say back when we still had a US Army.
Seriously, I trust you have all figured out we gonna all die. The list of people who want to kill us Patriots, Old Archer is a loooooong one.
Across the span of many many centuries, China and Russia have suffered again and again what to Americans would be unimaginable losses as a result of war, natural calamities, and man-made calamities. Their frame of reference bears little resemblance to ours. In times of war, Mother Russia surviving is what mattered, not the individual Russians, and no amount of deaths was too many to bear. There has never been a point in history when individual freedom and rights has been the cultural norm in either country. China losing a few hundred million people is most certainly a price they are willing to pay in order to achieve their goals.
My point is that if it comes to WWIII, Russia & China won't worry about differentiating between military and civilian or any other niceties or concept of fair play. They will fight to win which is not the current mindset of the Western world.
Norway Restricts NATO Traffic Near Russia, Tells Allies 'Keep Your Distance'
BY TYLER DURDEN
SATURDAY, DEC 04, 2021 - 07:35 AM
One of NATO's founding members is urgently trying to walk back tensions and lower the potential for confrontation with Russia at a moment the accusatory rhetoric surrounding Ukraine continues putting Russia-Europe relations on edge. Norway's foreign minister Anniken Huitfeld has announced that the Scandinavian country wants American, British, and other NATO aircraft and vessels to keep their distance from Russia's border.
"It is important for Norway to be militarily present in our immediate surroundings. But very close to the Russian border, we believe that we do it best ourselves, with Norwegian planes and Norwegian frigates. It is fundamental for us," Anniken Huitfeldt told the newspaper Verdens Gang. Her words were subsequently translated and presented in Russian media sources.
US Air Force photo
Recently the Norwegian government led by Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Støre declared it wants to improve relations with its large, powerful neighbor Russia. The two share a far northern nearly 200km border.
Huitfeldt was asked by the Norwegian publication whether she wants foreign NATO military assets to stay away from coming near the Russian border, given Moscow would feel provoked.
She appeared to respond in the affirmative: "It is in Norway's interest to take care of these areas on its own, with the Norwegian defense," the top diplomat reiterated. The government appears wary of the potential for the type of misunderstanding or inadvertent conflict incident seen for example in the Black Sea region over the past years, with a prime example being the Kerch Strait incident, or also the rise in aircraft intercepts between the US and Russia.
Recently there have been encounters between the Russia and Norway's navies in the Norwegian Sea. Though without incident, the encounters are closely monitored and a source of tensions.
"We are trying to tell our partners that Norway is NATO in the north. The Russians are used to Norwegian planes and vessels' presence in the Barents Sea," ex-commander of the Armed Forces' operational headquarters Rune Jakobsen told the same publication, Verdens Gang.
He said further: "Plus the Intelligence Service's vessel Marjata sails there. This is how we want it to be in the future as well: That it is not American P8 surveillance aircraft, but our own that fly in the airspace east of Andøya [Nordland County]."
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BY TYLER DURDEN
SATURDAY, DEC 04, 2021 - 07:35 AM
One of NATO's founding members is urgently trying to walk back tensions and lower the potential for confrontation with Russia at a moment the accusatory rhetoric surrounding Ukraine continues putting Russia-Europe relations on edge. Norway's foreign minister Anniken Huitfeld has announced that the Scandinavian country wants American, British, and other NATO aircraft and vessels to keep their distance from Russia's border.
"It is important for Norway to be militarily present in our immediate surroundings. But very close to the Russian border, we believe that we do it best ourselves, with Norwegian planes and Norwegian frigates. It is fundamental for us," Anniken Huitfeldt told the newspaper Verdens Gang. Her words were subsequently translated and presented in Russian media sources.
US Air Force photoRecently the Norwegian government led by Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Støre declared it wants to improve relations with its large, powerful neighbor Russia. The two share a far northern nearly 200km border.
Huitfeldt was asked by the Norwegian publication whether she wants foreign NATO military assets to stay away from coming near the Russian border, given Moscow would feel provoked.
She appeared to respond in the affirmative: "It is in Norway's interest to take care of these areas on its own, with the Norwegian defense," the top diplomat reiterated. The government appears wary of the potential for the type of misunderstanding or inadvertent conflict incident seen for example in the Black Sea region over the past years, with a prime example being the Kerch Strait incident, or also the rise in aircraft intercepts between the US and Russia.
Recently there have been encounters between the Russia and Norway's navies in the Norwegian Sea. Though without incident, the encounters are closely monitored and a source of tensions.
Meanwhile a former top Norwegian commander was even more blunt in his assessment that NATO patrols should stay away without express permission from Oslo.
"We are trying to tell our partners that Norway is NATO in the north. The Russians are used to Norwegian planes and vessels' presence in the Barents Sea," ex-commander of the Armed Forces' operational headquarters Rune Jakobsen told the same publication, Verdens Gang.
He said further: "Plus the Intelligence Service's vessel Marjata sails there. This is how we want it to be in the future as well: That it is not American P8 surveillance aircraft, but our own that fly in the airspace east of Andøya [Nordland County]."
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If the US is attacked and I survive the initial first salvo, the first thing I am going to do is fill the bathtub with water and the second thing is lock and load. And like Doug said about Portland being a target rich environment, so will my area. I have a feeling if attacked the dem's will go into hiding screaming to be protected, and lay low for a long time.
Toosh
Veteran Member
I never used to be a conspiracy theorist but these days the difference between theory and truth seems to be about six months.
When I see news over here, I first look over there. I assume that the bigger the lie over here, the bigger the coverup over there. Consider that Ukraine is the largest donor to the Clinton Foundation - and that has come under a lot of public opinion scrutiny lately. And wasn't Ukraine where Hunter had that cushy job that paid him a cazillion bucks to do nothing in an industry he knew nothing about? When I think of Ukraine, I think - there is a lot of history of corruption there.
Knowing that they are starting to lose control - nothing is going the way they want it to - people are waking up - they are exposed and Durham has inditements sitting on the shelf - I'm wondering if they haven't put Putin into play, doing the bidding of some master, to destroy one building, one area, or one person or whatever is needed to destroy evidence. Here's Putin's chance to put himself in the good graces of a master and get a small territory, rich in natural resources, for himself.
When I see news over here, I first look over there. I assume that the bigger the lie over here, the bigger the coverup over there. Consider that Ukraine is the largest donor to the Clinton Foundation - and that has come under a lot of public opinion scrutiny lately. And wasn't Ukraine where Hunter had that cushy job that paid him a cazillion bucks to do nothing in an industry he knew nothing about? When I think of Ukraine, I think - there is a lot of history of corruption there.
Knowing that they are starting to lose control - nothing is going the way they want it to - people are waking up - they are exposed and Durham has inditements sitting on the shelf - I'm wondering if they haven't put Putin into play, doing the bidding of some master, to destroy one building, one area, or one person or whatever is needed to destroy evidence. Here's Putin's chance to put himself in the good graces of a master and get a small territory, rich in natural resources, for himself.
jward
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Andy Scollick
@Andy_Scollick
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175,000 troops. 200 BTGs. Over an extensive front. A war that will have no end. A war that will likely spread across borders into NATO/EU countries. As well as into Russia. A war that will displace millions of people who will be forced to migrate westward.
View: https://twitter.com/Andy_Scollick/status/1467158302182289417?s=20
I hope that's just Joe's ridiculously outsized ego blustering, and that rational and sane people will be involved when Putin and Joe discuss this situation, if they do.
Joe is used to being able to say and do whatever he wants and having the media run cover.
This is a time for careful and thoughtful negotiations to avoid a massive war, and we have a corrupt, senile, self-aggrandizing pervert at the helm.
The Russkis won't waste their time trying to negotiate with an arrogant and childish attitude like Joe displays with that statement.
I pray that adults are working behind the scenes to reach a deal, like Trump would have, so that massive bloodshed can be avoided.
If Joe's ego is driving our foreign policy, then reality is about to come through the door, and we're not going like it.
jward
passin' thru
Joe Biden vows to deter Russian invasion of Ukraine
By
Rich Calder
December 4, 2021 10:44am
Updated
President Biden's comments follow new findings from US intelligence that estimated 175,000 troops would be involved in a potential Russian invasion of Ukraine. REUTERS/Kevin Lamarque
President Joe Biden vowed the U.S. would make it “very, very difficult” for Russia to take military action in Ukraine.
The commander-in-chief’s comments came amid fears of a possible Russian invasion of Ukraine early next year. New findings from US intelligence estimated 175,000 troops would be involved, according to the Washington Post, which cited an intelligence document and U.S. officials.
Russia has been deploying troops toward the Ukraine border, while escalating demands that Biden guarantee Ukraine is barred from NATO. Russia also wants the NATO alliance to refrain from certain military activities in and around Ukrainian territory.
The crisis has provoked fears of a renewed war and comes ahead of a planned virtual meeting next week between Biden and Russian President Vladimir Putin, the newspaper also reported.
When asked about the intelligence finding as he set out for the presidential retreat at Camp David on Friday night, Biden told reporters “we’ve been aware of Russia’s actions for a long time, and my expectation is we’re gonna have a long discussion with Putin.”
President Biden said the U.S. is aware of Russia’s actions, and plans to have a ‘long discussion’ with Vladimir Putin.EPA
Biden’s comments come after Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky expressed concerns over Russia’s growing aggression.AFP via Getty Images
Biden and Zelensky pictured together in the Oval Office in Sept. 2021.AFP via Getty Images
The president also pledged new initiatives from his administration to deter Russian aggression.
Meanwhile, Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov warned Friday the invasion could happen as soon as next month, adding Russia has an estimated 94,300 troops near Ukraine and in Russia-annexed Crimea. U.S. intelligence officials believe closer to 70,000 troops are deployed near the border, according to an unclassified intelligence document obtained by The Associated Press.
White House press secretary Jen Psaki said administration officials have “engaged in the possibility” of a Biden-Putin call.
With Post wire services
nypost.com
By
Rich Calder
December 4, 2021 10:44am
Updated
President Joe Biden vowed the U.S. would make it “very, very difficult” for Russia to take military action in Ukraine.
The commander-in-chief’s comments came amid fears of a possible Russian invasion of Ukraine early next year. New findings from US intelligence estimated 175,000 troops would be involved, according to the Washington Post, which cited an intelligence document and U.S. officials.
Russia has been deploying troops toward the Ukraine border, while escalating demands that Biden guarantee Ukraine is barred from NATO. Russia also wants the NATO alliance to refrain from certain military activities in and around Ukrainian territory.
The crisis has provoked fears of a renewed war and comes ahead of a planned virtual meeting next week between Biden and Russian President Vladimir Putin, the newspaper also reported.
When asked about the intelligence finding as he set out for the presidential retreat at Camp David on Friday night, Biden told reporters “we’ve been aware of Russia’s actions for a long time, and my expectation is we’re gonna have a long discussion with Putin.”
President Biden said the U.S. is aware of Russia’s actions, and plans to have a ‘long discussion’ with Vladimir Putin.EPA
Biden’s comments come after Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky expressed concerns over Russia’s growing aggression.AFP via Getty Images
Biden and Zelensky pictured together in the Oval Office in Sept. 2021.AFP via Getty ImagesThe president also pledged new initiatives from his administration to deter Russian aggression.
Meanwhile, Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov warned Friday the invasion could happen as soon as next month, adding Russia has an estimated 94,300 troops near Ukraine and in Russia-annexed Crimea. U.S. intelligence officials believe closer to 70,000 troops are deployed near the border, according to an unclassified intelligence document obtained by The Associated Press.
White House press secretary Jen Psaki said administration officials have “engaged in the possibility” of a Biden-Putin call.
With Post wire services
Joe Biden vows to deter Russian invasion of Ukraine
President Joe Biden vowed the U.S. would make it “very, very difficult” for Russia to take military action in Ukraine.
nypost.com
jward
passin' thru
As last time, I am counting on Putin to be the adult in the room and the one we have the most hope in to dance us through this mine-field/ chit show. Jo is just background noise for domestic use, i agree, but am coming to the conclusion that much if not all of the kabuki presentation has already been hashed out in back rooms and as a means of rebalancing the power and stepping us into the grande reset and Brave New World the globalists have in store for us. . .
I agree on Joe just thinking he's running things, and the soundbites for domestic consumption.
It begs the questions of who is really directing the show, and will all of the players stay on script.
I see Putin as a "non-union" actor like I viewed Trump, but in this world, with all the deception, corruption, and delusion, who knows?
You may be very right about the behind the scenes coordination for the great reset, but It seems like peacefully rebalancing the power among nations would be like trying to herd cats.
There's always that one...
It begs the questions of who is really directing the show, and will all of the players stay on script.
I see Putin as a "non-union" actor like I viewed Trump, but in this world, with all the deception, corruption, and delusion, who knows?
You may be very right about the behind the scenes coordination for the great reset, but It seems like peacefully rebalancing the power among nations would be like trying to herd cats.
There's always that one...
Doomer Doug
TB Fanatic
Look Oreally, I understand and respect what you are saying viz a viz Russia and the Ukraine. I'm just saying to quote Elrond in The Two Towers to Aragorn: "You ride to war, but not to victory."
And I personally accept that unless God intervenes, like destroying a Chinese invasion fleet off of Astoria by a storm.
Kamakaze means divine wind and refers to the 2 mongol fleets sunk by storm trying to invade Japan, or the Spanish armada in 1588, or God wiping out the Assyrians, it will not go well.
I trust in the spirit. There is no other option.
Praise the Lord and pass the ammo to quote the world war chaplain.
And I personally accept that unless God intervenes, like destroying a Chinese invasion fleet off of Astoria by a storm.
Kamakaze means divine wind and refers to the 2 mongol fleets sunk by storm trying to invade Japan, or the Spanish armada in 1588, or God wiping out the Assyrians, it will not go well.
I trust in the spirit. There is no other option.
Praise the Lord and pass the ammo to quote the world war chaplain.
AlfaMan
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Doug, my family did the VolksGrenadiers thing about 130 years ago, when a numerically and equipment superior Yankee Trash army invaded. The Yankees initially got massacred; but our family lost some members to fighting as well.
It didn't make two sh*ts whether or not they were superior in strength or not-family defending one's home, one's land is a powerful motivator. It just boils down to whether one has the balls to do it-or not. In the case of the Ukranians, they definitely have the balls to do it.
The Ukranians going up against Russian mech infantry will take some, but not all out. Remember your training on how to defeat the T-62 and T72, the PT76 and BTR-60s. Not easy but it can be done. And these Ukranians banding together in defense of their homes and land will do it-rather than sitting idly by while and aggressor nation captures their land and homes. I applaud them.
Whether Ukraine joins NATO or not should not be any concern of the Russians-the Ukraine is a free country with free will and free determination. It's their choice. AND all of the eastern European/Warsaw Pact countries that have joined NATO did it because they're oh so familiar with the Russian/Soviet style of government.
The Russians invaded the Crimea and Donbas in 2014-hell yes they're the aggressor in this fight. And this issue has been long past the point of negotiations-Russia wants "their" land back. They tried talking, didn't work. So they're going to try and take it by force.
Good luck to the Ukranians-stand up against the Russian aggressor!
Doomer Doug
TB Fanatic
Alfaman, if I remember correctly our sergeants told us to wait for the T-72 loader to have his arm ripped off by the high quality loading mechanism and then pick them off. 
I wouldn't shed one drop of American blood to defend the Ukraine from the Russians. We got no dog in this fight at all. NATO imperialism east to Russia's border is not an American issue.
I wouldn't shed one drop of American blood to defend the Ukraine from the Russians. We got no dog in this fight at all. NATO imperialism east to Russia's border is not an American issue.
there is no way 125,000 men can subdue all of this country. even 250,000 if they throw in reserve units for 'pacification'.
Putin has to know this.
at most, a limited slice-off of a Donbass and a corridor to Crimea for the water canal.
going for Odessa would be a bridge to far, IMHO
Putin has to know this.
at most, a limited slice-off of a Donbass and a corridor to Crimea for the water canal.
going for Odessa would be a bridge to far, IMHO
jward
passin' thru
Media: Russia is preparing to seize two-thirds of Ukraine
Russian President Vladimir Putin is preparing to seize two-thirds of Ukraine's territory in early 2022, reports the German newspaper Bild, citing its sources among high-ranking military officials.
According to sources, Russia’s "plan maximum" for the war against Ukraine "lies in Putin’s drawer, and he has not yet decided whether it will be caried through." At the same time, according to Bild, the buildup of Russian troops, which started in April, indicates that the Kremlin seems to be inclined to go ahead with the attack on Ukraine.
One military official told Bild that, in January-February, when Putin gives an order, the Russian military will "simultaneously attack from northern Crimea, through the occupied territories in the east and from the north." However, other NATO insiders are confident that the attack could happen in 3 independent stages. Each of them could be the last if it causes the West to reassess the situation.
A U.S. intelligence official said that Putin intends to first seize southern Ukraine "to secure supplies to Crimea and to cut off Ukraine from the sea, and thus from supplies." Russia also plans to use landing ships moved from the Baltic Sea in the spring", "to transport tanks and troops from Crimea to the outskirts of Odesa."
Another high-ranking military official said that Russia is planning a landing operation "east of Odesa, between the villages of Fontanka and Kobleve." According to him, Russian troops are going to "advance northeast of the city, then turn left and advance into Transnistria," thus encircling Odesa.
At the same time, “airborne operations of special forces" will be carried out in the Kherson region along the Dnieper River. This will block bridges across the most important river of the country and thus block supply channels.
"At first Russia will start artillery fire from Crimea on Ukrainian positions. Then, the Ukrainian troops will be encircled and will not be able to recapture the bridges behind them, " the source said.
According to the source, the Russian military will move from the Donbas to the west, and then split with one part advancing to Zaporizhzhia and beyond, and the other moving towards Crimea. If Russia succeeds in its offensive, the entire south of Ukraine will be under its control, and Putin will have a corridor from Russia to NATO's border with Romania.
When the first phase of the offensive begins, Putin's air power and ballistic missiles will weaken Ukraine's military capabilities across the country. Russian tank units can cross the border in the Luhansk and Kharkiv regions and advance towards the Dnieper and Poltava. One of the officers explained that the Russian military will cut off electricity, gas and food supplies to the cities.
In his opinion, in a few weeks, the Russians can proclaim themselves rescuers of civilians, invade capitulated cities and "save" Ukrainians from starvation or death.
At the third stage, the Russian army will attack the Ukrainian capital from the north. However, the source is confident that an offensive against Kyiv can also occur at the beginning of the offensive, depending on the circumstances.
BILD noted that so far, the participation of Belarus in the war is doubtful, but if this happens, it will be part of Russia’s plan to encircle and besiege Kyiv from the north-east and north-west. Russian troops would then advance "to the Korosten-Uman line to cut off supplies from western Ukraine. Then one could expect the capitulation of Kyiv, and therefore of Ukraine under pressure from the West."
Sources believe that Ukraine will not be able to withstand a full-scale invasion by Russia. The Ukrainian armed forces, "if they are not completely destroyed," will withdraw to the west of the country.
According to another interlocutor of the publication, "American Javelin anti-tank missiles will not be enough for all Russian tanks, and Turkish Bayraktar drones will be smashed by Russian combat aircraft. The military is confident that modern Western anti-aircraft missiles, like Patriot, and anti-ship missiles of the Harpoon type will be needed to protect Ukraine.
NATO security officials added that Ukraine's allies are now reviewing arms supplies to Ukraine, although "this decision cannot come from NATO as a whole, but only from its members separately."
The Washington Post reports, citing intelligence data, that 175,000 soldiers will take part in Russia's massive military offensive against Ukraine.
Analysts of the Conflict Intelligence Team reported that a large group of Russian troops had been deployed near the border with Ukraine.
The U.S. Department of State said that Washington is preparing for "unforeseen circumstances" due to the buildup of Russian troops on the Ukrainian borders.
According to Bloomberg, in November, Russia began to actively deploy troops to the annexed Crimea.
According to western military analysts, Putin may bluff, but if this is not the case, then the Ukrainian army is facing a terrible test.
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Russian President Vladimir Putin is preparing to seize two-thirds of Ukraine's territory in early 2022, reports the German newspaper Bild, citing its sources among high-ranking military officials.
According to sources, Russia’s "plan maximum" for the war against Ukraine "lies in Putin’s drawer, and he has not yet decided whether it will be caried through." At the same time, according to Bild, the buildup of Russian troops, which started in April, indicates that the Kremlin seems to be inclined to go ahead with the attack on Ukraine.
One military official told Bild that, in January-February, when Putin gives an order, the Russian military will "simultaneously attack from northern Crimea, through the occupied territories in the east and from the north." However, other NATO insiders are confident that the attack could happen in 3 independent stages. Each of them could be the last if it causes the West to reassess the situation.
A U.S. intelligence official said that Putin intends to first seize southern Ukraine "to secure supplies to Crimea and to cut off Ukraine from the sea, and thus from supplies." Russia also plans to use landing ships moved from the Baltic Sea in the spring", "to transport tanks and troops from Crimea to the outskirts of Odesa."
Another high-ranking military official said that Russia is planning a landing operation "east of Odesa, between the villages of Fontanka and Kobleve." According to him, Russian troops are going to "advance northeast of the city, then turn left and advance into Transnistria," thus encircling Odesa.
At the same time, “airborne operations of special forces" will be carried out in the Kherson region along the Dnieper River. This will block bridges across the most important river of the country and thus block supply channels.
"At first Russia will start artillery fire from Crimea on Ukrainian positions. Then, the Ukrainian troops will be encircled and will not be able to recapture the bridges behind them, " the source said.
According to the source, the Russian military will move from the Donbas to the west, and then split with one part advancing to Zaporizhzhia and beyond, and the other moving towards Crimea. If Russia succeeds in its offensive, the entire south of Ukraine will be under its control, and Putin will have a corridor from Russia to NATO's border with Romania.
When the first phase of the offensive begins, Putin's air power and ballistic missiles will weaken Ukraine's military capabilities across the country. Russian tank units can cross the border in the Luhansk and Kharkiv regions and advance towards the Dnieper and Poltava. One of the officers explained that the Russian military will cut off electricity, gas and food supplies to the cities.
In his opinion, in a few weeks, the Russians can proclaim themselves rescuers of civilians, invade capitulated cities and "save" Ukrainians from starvation or death.
At the third stage, the Russian army will attack the Ukrainian capital from the north. However, the source is confident that an offensive against Kyiv can also occur at the beginning of the offensive, depending on the circumstances.
BILD noted that so far, the participation of Belarus in the war is doubtful, but if this happens, it will be part of Russia’s plan to encircle and besiege Kyiv from the north-east and north-west. Russian troops would then advance "to the Korosten-Uman line to cut off supplies from western Ukraine. Then one could expect the capitulation of Kyiv, and therefore of Ukraine under pressure from the West."
Sources believe that Ukraine will not be able to withstand a full-scale invasion by Russia. The Ukrainian armed forces, "if they are not completely destroyed," will withdraw to the west of the country.
According to another interlocutor of the publication, "American Javelin anti-tank missiles will not be enough for all Russian tanks, and Turkish Bayraktar drones will be smashed by Russian combat aircraft. The military is confident that modern Western anti-aircraft missiles, like Patriot, and anti-ship missiles of the Harpoon type will be needed to protect Ukraine.
NATO security officials added that Ukraine's allies are now reviewing arms supplies to Ukraine, although "this decision cannot come from NATO as a whole, but only from its members separately."
The Washington Post reports, citing intelligence data, that 175,000 soldiers will take part in Russia's massive military offensive against Ukraine.
Analysts of the Conflict Intelligence Team reported that a large group of Russian troops had been deployed near the border with Ukraine.
The U.S. Department of State said that Washington is preparing for "unforeseen circumstances" due to the buildup of Russian troops on the Ukrainian borders.
According to Bloomberg, in November, Russia began to actively deploy troops to the annexed Crimea.
According to western military analysts, Putin may bluff, but if this is not the case, then the Ukrainian army is facing a terrible test.
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Media: Russia is preparing to seize two-thirds of Ukraine
Russian President Vladimir Putin is preparing to seize two-thirds of Ukraine's territory in early 2022, reports the German newspaper Bild, citing its sources among high-ranking military officials. According to sources, Russia’s "plan maximum" for the war against Ukraine "lies in Putin’s drawer...
jed turtle
a brother in the Lord
Ukraine is the result of a CIA-engineered takeover color revolution.
resulting in a nation of neo-Nazis, from all appearances. A nation deeply intimate with Clinton’s/Obama/Biden puppeteers. The same folks who engineered the coup against Trump.
Putin’s Russia is not the same Soviet Union that we stood toe to toe with through the 50s to 80s.
not by a long shot. Matter of fact, our own country is looking a lot more like the USSR, than Russia now. We should not be supporting Ukraine, we should be supporting the dis-mantling of our own intelligence arms of the Rothschilds-Rockeller Axis. probably too late now though. But at least the fog and smoke has cleared enough in the last ten years to see that we are being destroyed from within. Our deadliest enemies are not the chinese and/ or Russia. The democrats, big education, big media, big tech, big Corporations, big banks, London, the Vatican, the Lodges: those are the folks bringing this nation into ruin.
Doomer Doug
TB Fanatic
Bless you Jed Turtle. 
You get my point.
Now this militia fetish needs a dose of reality. ANY armed militia, Alfaman and Oreally needs to be an ANTI MILITARY. You need ANTI-ARMOR, and you need ANTI-HELICOPTER AND DRONE ABILITY. You need to be able to take out humvees, and apc's with missiles etc. Now if the ukies had 25,000 Manpads, or LAW'S, anti tank guns or missiles etc they might have a chance. The ruskies learned a lot, the hard way, about urban combat in Grosny in Chechyna. They have the burnt corpses and charred tanks to prove it.
Ukie snipers got some moxie; at least until they fire down a dozen 175mm on your head. Shoot and scoot has become shoot and run for your life and hope you don't get vaporized.
You get my point.Now this militia fetish needs a dose of reality. ANY armed militia, Alfaman and Oreally needs to be an ANTI MILITARY. You need ANTI-ARMOR, and you need ANTI-HELICOPTER AND DRONE ABILITY. You need to be able to take out humvees, and apc's with missiles etc. Now if the ukies had 25,000 Manpads, or LAW'S, anti tank guns or missiles etc they might have a chance. The ruskies learned a lot, the hard way, about urban combat in Grosny in Chechyna. They have the burnt corpses and charred tanks to prove it.
Ukie snipers got some moxie; at least until they fire down a dozen 175mm on your head. Shoot and scoot has become shoot and run for your life and hope you don't get vaporized.
AlfaMan
Has No Life - Lives on TB
The Ukraine has been a country/country state since the 10th century. Doubt we had the CIA back then.
Ukrainians aren't neo-Nazis. Some fought on the side of Germany in WW2; primarily because of the hate of the Soviets and the putting down of the cossaks, the homolodor, forced collectivization of the farms and just everyday brutality in general. The majority of Ukranians were loyal to the USSR during that time calling it a nation of neo Nazis is painting a small group of folks with an extremely large brush.
Today's Russia isn't the old Soviet Union-but the leaders were raised within the Soviet system, educated in Soviet schools and the Russians in general want to bring back the perceived Soviet era prestige and "prosperity". Vladimir Putin is a product of the KGB, his military generals are all Frunze academy graduates. It might say "Russia" on the map; but peel away that thin veneer and you'll see "Made in the USSR" all over it. And them.
This may be a post cold war era-but this conflict seems to be emulating the cold war quite well.
Doomer Doug
TB Fanatic
Alfaman, my biggest fear is all the western clowns, NATO, biden, obama etc will PANIC and launch nukes on advancing ruskie forces as they roar up to kiev.
If that happens, the demoncrats will be the death of us all.
If that happens, the demoncrats will be the death of us all.
AlfaMan
Has No Life - Lives on TB
I'll agree with you on that point. The idiots in charge of our USS America are just dumb enough to 1. Invoke NATO article 5 at the sign of the first Russian west of Donbas and 2. Weak enough to introduce theatre nuclear weapons into the conflict at a VERY early stage. I know the Germans still have dual key PAL locks on nukes there, not sure if Turkey has a dual key agreement still.
Either way this regional conflict could go global-and nuclear in a heartbeat.
danielboon
TB Fanatic
They won't launch because our satellites will be blown up
Putin already said this would be the first thing he would do
jed turtle
a brother in the Lord
I am not questioning the National feelings that the Ukrainians have against Russia due to Stalin’s genocide there. But this current thing is about Russians in eastern Ukraine not wanting the winners in the cia-bought and paid for “revolution” to rule over them. imho, it’s not about crimea either, as Russia has deep roots there also. Russia is no longer a communist country, something most Americans haven’t soaked in yet. Including you apparently. They could have been our most important ally going forward, but socialist /communist /globalists here and in Europe don’t want that to happen, hence Russia gate. Stop painting the Russians as communists, and think of them as Russia First types, and survivors of repeated invasions from europe and maybe you might grasp that the dynamics are different than what the media here wants you to believe...
at least where i am everyone totally supports what happened in 2014.
they really see it as a independence movement/moment from the Russians and not a phony cia 'coup'.
Crimea is another thing. i have found out that i probably should not give my opinion about Crimea to my friends. lol
Henry Bowman
Veteran Member
US Intelligence Finds Russia Planning Ukraine Offensive
Vladimir Putin (Sputnik via AP)
Saturday, 04 December 2021 09:22 AM
President Joe Biden has pledged to make it “very, very difficult” for Russia’s Vladimir Putin to take military action in Ukraine as U.S. intelligence officials determined that Russian planning is underway for a possible military offensive that could begin as soon as early 2022.
The new intelligence finding estimates that the Russians are planning to deploy an estimated 175,000 troops and almost half of them are already deployed along various points near Ukraine's border, according to a Biden administration official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the finding.
It comes as Russia has picked up its demands on Biden to guarantee that Ukraine will not be allowed to join the NATO alliance.
The official added that the plans call for the movement of 100 Russian battalion tactical groups along with armor, artillery and equipment.
Intelligence officials also have seen an uptick in Russian propaganda efforts through the use of proxies and media outlets to denigrate Ukraine and NATO ahead of a potential invasion, the official said.
Asked about the intelligence finding as he set out for the presidential retreat at Camp David on Friday evening, Biden reiterated his concerns about Russian provocations.
"We’ve been aware of Russia’s actions for a long time and my expectation is we’re gonna have a long discussion with Putin,” Biden said.
Russia has dismissed the reports, accusing Washington of trying to aggravate the situation while blaming Moscow, the Kommersant newspaper said on Saturday, citing the Foreign Ministry.
The Washington Post cited officials and an intelligence document on Saturday as saying U.S. intelligence thought Russia could be planning a multi-front offensive on Ukraine as early as next year involving up to 175,000 troops.
"The (United) States is conducting a special operation to aggravate the situation around Ukraine while shifting the responsibility onto Russia," Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova was quoted as saying by Kommersant.
"It is based on provocative actions near Russia's borders accompanied by accusatory rhetoric," she said.
The United States, its NATO allies and Ukraine have accused Moscow of massing troops near the Ukrainian border, and Kyiv says it fears Russia is planning an attack.
Moscow has denied any plans to invade Ukraine, accusing Kyiv of building up its own forces to attack territory held by pro-Russian separatists.
It has said it can move troops around on Russian territory as it sees fit and that they pose no external threat.
The risks of such a gambit for Putin, if he actually went through with an invasion, would be enormous.
U.S. officials and former U.S. diplomats say while Putin clearly is laying the groundwork for a possible invasion, Ukraine’s military is better armed and prepared today than in past years, and the sanctions threatened by the West would do serious damage to Russia’s economy. It remains unclear if Putin intends to go through with what would be a risky offensive, they say.
Earlier Friday, Biden pledged to make it “very, very difficult” for Putin to take military action in Ukraine and said new initiatives coming from his administration are intended to deter Russian aggression.
“What I am doing is putting together what I believe to be will be the most comprehensive and meaningful set of initiatives to make it very, very difficult for Mr. Putin to go ahead and do what people are worried he may do,” Biden told reporters.
The Kremlin said Friday that Putin would seek binding guarantees precluding NATO’s expansion to Ukraine during the call with Biden. But Biden sought to head off the demand.
“I don’t accept anyone’s red line," Biden said.
Meanwhile, Ukrainian officials also warned that Russia could invade next month. Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov told lawmakers Friday that the number of Russian troops near Ukraine and in Russia-annexed Crimea is estimated at 94,300, warning that a “large-scale escalation” is possible in January. U.S. intelligence officials estimate closer to 70,000 troops are deployed near the border, according to an unclassified intelligence document obtained Friday by The Associated Press.
The intelligence findings were first reported by The Washington Post.
There are signs that the White House and Kremlin are close to arranging a conversation next week between Biden and Putin. Putin’s foreign affairs adviser Yuri Ushakov told reporters Friday that arrangements have been made for a Putin-Biden call in the coming days, adding that the date will be announced after Moscow and Washington finalize details. The Russians say a date has been agreed upon, but declined to say when.
Biden and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy have also tentatively agreed to have a call next week, according to a person close to the Ukrainian president who was not authorized to speak publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity.
White House press secretary Jen Psaki said administration officials have “engaged in the possibility” of a Biden-Putin call. White House officials did not respond to a request for comment on the expected Zelenskyy call.
“It certainly would be an opportunity to discuss our serious concerns about the bellicose rhetoric, about the military buildup that we’re seeing on the border of Ukraine,” Psaki said of a potential Biden-Putin call.
Biden did not detail what actions he was weighing. But Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, who met Thursday with Secretary of State Antony Blinken in Sweden, said the U.S. has threatened new sanctions. He did not detail the potential sanctions but suggested the effort would not be effective.
“If the new ‘sanctions from hell’ come, we will respond," Lavrov said. “We can’t fail to respond."
Psaki said the administration would look to coordinate with European allies if it moved forward with sanctions. She noted that bitter memories of Russia's 2014 annexation of Crimea, the Black Sea peninsula that had been under Ukraine's control since 1954, are front of mind as the White House considers the way forward.
“We know what President Putin has done in the past,” Psaki said. “We see that he is putting in place the capacity to take action in short order.”
Deep differences were on display during the Blinken-Lavrov meeting, with the Russia official charging the West was “playing with fire” by denying Russia a say in any further NATO expansion into countries of the former Soviet Union. Zelenskyy has pushed for Ukraine to join the alliance, which holds out the promise of membership but hasn’t set a a timeline.
Blinken this week said the U.S. has “made it clear to the Kremlin that we will respond resolutely, including with a range of high-impact economic measures that we’ve refrained from using in the past.”
He did not detail what sanctions were being weighed, but one potentially could be to cut off Russia from the SWIFT system of international payments. The European Union’s Parliament approved a nonbinding resolution in April to cut off Russia from SWIFT — the Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunications — if its troops entered Ukraine.
Such a move would go far toward blocking Russian businesses from the global financial system. Western allies reportedly considered such a step in 2014 and 2015, during earlier Russian-led escalations of tensions over Ukraine.
Then-Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev said it would be tantamount to “a declaration of war.”
But some U.S. government officials say Putin also could be seeking attention and concessions from Biden and other Western leaders, using the military escalation to force Russia back into a central role in world affairs as it had in the days of the Soviet Union.
“They are seriously envious for superpower status and ... the parity to the United States that existed during the Cold War. That’s what this is all about,” said John Herbst, a former U.S. ambassador to Ukraine.
An invasion is possible, but more likely, “they provoke a crisis, they get concessions from us, and then they reduce the crisis. Right? And that, I think, is probably their objective,” Herbst said Friday.
Information from The Associated Press and Reuters was used in this report.
Read more: US Intelligence Finds Russia Planning Ukraine Offensive | Newsmax.com
Vladimir Putin (Sputnik via AP)
Saturday, 04 December 2021 09:22 AM
President Joe Biden has pledged to make it “very, very difficult” for Russia’s Vladimir Putin to take military action in Ukraine as U.S. intelligence officials determined that Russian planning is underway for a possible military offensive that could begin as soon as early 2022.
The new intelligence finding estimates that the Russians are planning to deploy an estimated 175,000 troops and almost half of them are already deployed along various points near Ukraine's border, according to a Biden administration official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the finding.
It comes as Russia has picked up its demands on Biden to guarantee that Ukraine will not be allowed to join the NATO alliance.
The official added that the plans call for the movement of 100 Russian battalion tactical groups along with armor, artillery and equipment.
Intelligence officials also have seen an uptick in Russian propaganda efforts through the use of proxies and media outlets to denigrate Ukraine and NATO ahead of a potential invasion, the official said.
Asked about the intelligence finding as he set out for the presidential retreat at Camp David on Friday evening, Biden reiterated his concerns about Russian provocations.
"We’ve been aware of Russia’s actions for a long time and my expectation is we’re gonna have a long discussion with Putin,” Biden said.
Russia has dismissed the reports, accusing Washington of trying to aggravate the situation while blaming Moscow, the Kommersant newspaper said on Saturday, citing the Foreign Ministry.
The Washington Post cited officials and an intelligence document on Saturday as saying U.S. intelligence thought Russia could be planning a multi-front offensive on Ukraine as early as next year involving up to 175,000 troops.
"The (United) States is conducting a special operation to aggravate the situation around Ukraine while shifting the responsibility onto Russia," Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova was quoted as saying by Kommersant.
"It is based on provocative actions near Russia's borders accompanied by accusatory rhetoric," she said.
The United States, its NATO allies and Ukraine have accused Moscow of massing troops near the Ukrainian border, and Kyiv says it fears Russia is planning an attack.
Moscow has denied any plans to invade Ukraine, accusing Kyiv of building up its own forces to attack territory held by pro-Russian separatists.
It has said it can move troops around on Russian territory as it sees fit and that they pose no external threat.
The risks of such a gambit for Putin, if he actually went through with an invasion, would be enormous.
U.S. officials and former U.S. diplomats say while Putin clearly is laying the groundwork for a possible invasion, Ukraine’s military is better armed and prepared today than in past years, and the sanctions threatened by the West would do serious damage to Russia’s economy. It remains unclear if Putin intends to go through with what would be a risky offensive, they say.
Earlier Friday, Biden pledged to make it “very, very difficult” for Putin to take military action in Ukraine and said new initiatives coming from his administration are intended to deter Russian aggression.
“What I am doing is putting together what I believe to be will be the most comprehensive and meaningful set of initiatives to make it very, very difficult for Mr. Putin to go ahead and do what people are worried he may do,” Biden told reporters.
The Kremlin said Friday that Putin would seek binding guarantees precluding NATO’s expansion to Ukraine during the call with Biden. But Biden sought to head off the demand.
“I don’t accept anyone’s red line," Biden said.
Meanwhile, Ukrainian officials also warned that Russia could invade next month. Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov told lawmakers Friday that the number of Russian troops near Ukraine and in Russia-annexed Crimea is estimated at 94,300, warning that a “large-scale escalation” is possible in January. U.S. intelligence officials estimate closer to 70,000 troops are deployed near the border, according to an unclassified intelligence document obtained Friday by The Associated Press.
The intelligence findings were first reported by The Washington Post.
There are signs that the White House and Kremlin are close to arranging a conversation next week between Biden and Putin. Putin’s foreign affairs adviser Yuri Ushakov told reporters Friday that arrangements have been made for a Putin-Biden call in the coming days, adding that the date will be announced after Moscow and Washington finalize details. The Russians say a date has been agreed upon, but declined to say when.
Biden and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy have also tentatively agreed to have a call next week, according to a person close to the Ukrainian president who was not authorized to speak publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity.
White House press secretary Jen Psaki said administration officials have “engaged in the possibility” of a Biden-Putin call. White House officials did not respond to a request for comment on the expected Zelenskyy call.
“It certainly would be an opportunity to discuss our serious concerns about the bellicose rhetoric, about the military buildup that we’re seeing on the border of Ukraine,” Psaki said of a potential Biden-Putin call.
Biden did not detail what actions he was weighing. But Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, who met Thursday with Secretary of State Antony Blinken in Sweden, said the U.S. has threatened new sanctions. He did not detail the potential sanctions but suggested the effort would not be effective.
“If the new ‘sanctions from hell’ come, we will respond," Lavrov said. “We can’t fail to respond."
Psaki said the administration would look to coordinate with European allies if it moved forward with sanctions. She noted that bitter memories of Russia's 2014 annexation of Crimea, the Black Sea peninsula that had been under Ukraine's control since 1954, are front of mind as the White House considers the way forward.
“We know what President Putin has done in the past,” Psaki said. “We see that he is putting in place the capacity to take action in short order.”
Deep differences were on display during the Blinken-Lavrov meeting, with the Russia official charging the West was “playing with fire” by denying Russia a say in any further NATO expansion into countries of the former Soviet Union. Zelenskyy has pushed for Ukraine to join the alliance, which holds out the promise of membership but hasn’t set a a timeline.
Blinken this week said the U.S. has “made it clear to the Kremlin that we will respond resolutely, including with a range of high-impact economic measures that we’ve refrained from using in the past.”
He did not detail what sanctions were being weighed, but one potentially could be to cut off Russia from the SWIFT system of international payments. The European Union’s Parliament approved a nonbinding resolution in April to cut off Russia from SWIFT — the Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunications — if its troops entered Ukraine.
Such a move would go far toward blocking Russian businesses from the global financial system. Western allies reportedly considered such a step in 2014 and 2015, during earlier Russian-led escalations of tensions over Ukraine.
Then-Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev said it would be tantamount to “a declaration of war.”
But some U.S. government officials say Putin also could be seeking attention and concessions from Biden and other Western leaders, using the military escalation to force Russia back into a central role in world affairs as it had in the days of the Soviet Union.
“They are seriously envious for superpower status and ... the parity to the United States that existed during the Cold War. That’s what this is all about,” said John Herbst, a former U.S. ambassador to Ukraine.
An invasion is possible, but more likely, “they provoke a crisis, they get concessions from us, and then they reduce the crisis. Right? And that, I think, is probably their objective,” Herbst said Friday.
Information from The Associated Press and Reuters was used in this report.
Read more: US Intelligence Finds Russia Planning Ukraine Offensive | Newsmax.com
jward
passin' thru
Rob Lee
RALee85
2h
Bloomberg reports Ukraine has received "dozens" of UAVs from Turkey with "orders for at least two dozen more" under way. Presumably, we're talking about TB2. 164/ https://bloomberg.com/news/articles/
RALee85
2h
Bloomberg reports Ukraine has received "dozens" of UAVs from Turkey with "orders for at least two dozen more" under way. Presumably, we're talking about TB2. 164/ https://bloomberg.com/news/articles/
jed turtle
a brother in the Lord
if they fail to perceive that they are being used to foment war with Russia, then that is their own fault.
who do you suppose will suffer the most if Russia decides that Ukraine has “gone too far” by letting NATO set up shop and missiles in Ukraine? There are forces in NYC, London, and the Vatican that plan to use certain small nations to set off a war that will destroy billions of people in the world. Billions of people that they no longer “need”, and “the world would be better off without them”...
Marie
Veteran Member
Putin will give a FU to the imposter in chief and likely cause him to fill his depends with a single look.Joe Biden vows to deter Russian invasion of Ukraine
By
Rich Calder
December 4, 2021 10:44am
Updated
President Biden's comments follow new findings from US intelligence that estimated 175,000 troops would be involved in a potential Russian invasion of Ukraine. REUTERS/Kevin Lamarque
President Joe Biden vowed the U.S. would make it “very, very difficult” for Russia to take military action in Ukraine.
The commander-in-chief’s comments came amid fears of a possible Russian invasion of Ukraine early next year. New findings from US intelligence estimated 175,000 troops would be involved, according to the Washington Post, which cited an intelligence document and U.S. officials.
Russia has been deploying troops toward the Ukraine border, while escalating demands that Biden guarantee Ukraine is barred from NATO. Russia also wants the NATO alliance to refrain from certain military activities in and around Ukrainian territory.
The crisis has provoked fears of a renewed war and comes ahead of a planned virtual meeting next week between Biden and Russian President Vladimir Putin, the newspaper also reported.
When asked about the intelligence finding as he set out for the presidential retreat at Camp David on Friday night, Biden told reporters “we’ve been aware of Russia’s actions for a long time, and my expectation is we’re gonna have a long discussion with Putin.”
The president also pledged new initiatives from his administration to deter Russian aggression.
Meanwhile, Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov warned Friday the invasion could happen as soon as next month, adding Russia has an estimated 94,300 troops near Ukraine and in Russia-annexed Crimea. U.S. intelligence officials believe closer to 70,000 troops are deployed near the border, according to an unclassified intelligence document obtained by The Associated Press.
White House press secretary Jen Psaki said administration officials have “engaged in the possibility” of a Biden-Putin call.
With Post wire services
Joe Biden vows to deter Russian invasion of Ukraine
President Joe Biden vowed the U.S. would make it “very, very difficult” for Russia to take military action in Ukraine.
jward
passin' thru
EndGameWW3
@EndGameWW3
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U.S. is considering different ways to help Ukraine defend territory - Secretary of Defense
View: https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1467300530246590464?s=20
jward
passin' thru
Undoubtedly, Biden as himself, a dotering old man, riddled with dementia and a lifetime of mediocrity, inspires fear and respect in exactly----- no one, internationally or domestically.
I have to hope, and assume, though, that some of the triumvirate pulling the strings have understandings with potential enemies, and that there is enough of an overlap between American interests and their own that we still have some cover.
..forlorn hope though I suspect it will prove to be.
I have to hope, and assume, though, that some of the triumvirate pulling the strings have understandings with potential enemies, and that there is enough of an overlap between American interests and their own that we still have some cover.
..forlorn hope though I suspect it will prove to be.
Doomer Doug
TB Fanatic
The more I study this the more it looks like 1974 with the 40,000 rukskie tanks set up to pour out of the Fulda Gap and crush NATO. We were told by our officers that NUKE LAUNCHES ON ADVANCING RUSKIE FORCES WERE SOP. We couldn't hold them conventionally so just launch, back then they were mobile pershings.
And all the and smack talking will vanish when Kiev or any other city anyplace takes a direct hit from a what do they use now, 150 Mega ton, or ten times Hiroshima at 15?
Little children playing with loaded guns. Baldwin on steroids.
Austin, Milley will likely PANIC once the ruskies are over pouring over from Finland to Romania. Putin will go for it all, and why shouldn't he? See anybody in the west who has the cajones to even make any attempt to actually stop him? I don't bait the bear and end up like that filmmaker in Alaska did.
And all the
and smack talking will vanish when Kiev or any other city anyplace takes a direct hit from a what do they use now, 150 Mega ton, or ten times Hiroshima at 15?Little children playing with loaded guns. Baldwin on steroids.
Austin, Milley will likely PANIC once the ruskies are over pouring over from Finland to Romania. Putin will go for it all, and why shouldn't he? See anybody in the west who has the cajones to even make any attempt to actually stop him? I don't bait the bear and end up like that filmmaker in Alaska did.