ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread

jward

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Biden Weighs Deploying Thousands of Troops to Eastern Europe and Baltics
The president is also considering deploying warships and aircraft to NATO allies, in what would be a major shift from its restrained stance on Ukraine.


U.S. soldiers of the NATO Extended Presence Battlegroup participated in a military exercise in Latvia last March.

U.S. soldiers of the NATO Extended Presence Battlegroup participated in a military exercise in Latvia last March.Credit...Valda Kalnina/EPA, via Shutterstock
Helene Cooper Eric Schmitt
By Helene Cooper and Eric Schmitt
Jan. 23, 2022Updated 8:01 p.m. ET

WASHINGTON — President Biden is considering deploying several thousand U.S. troops, as well as warships and aircraft, to NATO allies in the Baltics and Eastern Europe, an expansion of American military involvement amid mounting fears of a Russian incursion into Ukraine, according to administration officials.
The move would signal a major pivot for the Biden administration, which up until recently was taking a restrained stance on Ukraine, out of fear of provoking Russia into invading. But as President Vladimir V. Putin has ramped up his threatening actions toward Ukraine, and talks between American and Russian officials have failed to discourage him, the administration is now moving away from its do-not-provoke strategy.

In a meeting on Saturday at Camp David, the presidential retreat in Maryland, senior Pentagon officials presented Mr. Biden with several options that would shift American military assets much closer to Mr. Putin’s doorstep, the administration officials said. The options include sending 1,000 to 5,000 troops to Eastern European countries, with the potential to increase that number tenfold if things deteriorate.
The officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to talk publicly about internal deliberations.

Mr. Biden is expected to make a decision as early as this week, they said. He is weighing the buildup as Russia has escalated its menacing posture against Ukraine, including massing more than 100,000 troops and weaponry on the border and stationing Russian forces in Belarus. On Saturday, Britain accused Moscow of developing plans to install a pro-Russian leader in Ukraine.
“Even as we’re engaged in diplomacy, we are very much focused on building up defense, building up deterrence,” Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken said in an interview that aired Sunday on CBS’s “Face the Nation.” “NATO itself will continue to be reinforced in a significant way if Russia commits renewed acts of aggression. All of that is on the table.”

So far, none of the military options being considered include deploying additional American troops to Ukraine itself, and Mr. Biden has made clear that he is loath to enter another conflict following America’s painful exit from Afghanistan last summer after 20 years.
But after years of tiptoeing around the question of how much military support to provide to Ukraine, for fear of provoking Russia, Biden officials have recently warned that the United States could throw its weight behind a Ukrainian insurgency should Mr. Putin invade Ukraine.
And the deployment of thousands of additional American troops to NATO’s eastern flank, which includes Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, Biden administration officials said, is exactly the scenario that Mr. Putin has wanted to avoid, as he has seen the western military alliance creep closer and closer to Russia’s own border.
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The discussions came as the State Department ordered all family members of U.S. embassy personnel in Kyiv to leave Ukraine, citing the threat of Russian military action, and authorized some embassy employees to depart as well, according to senior State Department officials who briefed reporters on Sunday. The officials, who also spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to comment, declined to say how many embassy personnel and family members were in the country. Thinning out staff at American embassies is a common precaution when conflicts or other crises arise that could put American diplomats in harm’s way.

In his news conference last week, Mr. Biden said he had cautioned Mr. Putin that a Russian invasion of Ukraine would prompt Washington to send more troops to the region.
“We’re going to actually increase troop presence in Poland, in Romania, et cetera, if in fact he moves,” Mr. Biden said. “They are part of NATO.”

During a phone call this month, Defense Secretary Lloyd J. Austin III warned his Russian counterpart, Sergey Shoygu, that a Russian incursion into Ukraine would most likely result in the exact troop buildup that Mr. Biden is now considering.
At the time of the phone call — Jan. 6 — the Biden administration was still trying to be more restrained in its stance on Ukraine. But after unsuccessful talks between Mr. Blinken and the Russian foreign minister, Sergey V. Lavrov, on Friday, the administration is eying a more muscular posture, including not only diplomatic options like sanctions, but military options like increasing military support to Ukrainian forces and deploying American troops to the region.
“This is clearly in response to the sudden stationing of Russian forces in Belarus, on the border, essentially, with NATO,” said Evelyn Farkas, the top Pentagon official for Russia and Ukraine during the Obama administration. “There is no way that NATO could not reply to such a sudden military move in this political context. The Kremlin needs to understand that they are only escalating the situation with all of these deployments and increasing the danger to all parties, including themselves.”

A former top Pentagon official for Europe and NATO policy, Jim Townsend, said the administration’s proposal did not go far enough.

“It’s likely too little too late to deter Putin,” Mr. Townsend said in an email. “If the Russians do invade Ukraine in a few weeks, those 5,000 should be just a down payment for a much larger U.S. and allied force presence. Western Europe should once again be an armed camp.”

Understand the Escalating Tensions Over Ukraine
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A brewing conflict. Antagonism between Ukraine and Russia has been simmering since 2014, when the Russian military crossed into Ukrainian territory, annexing Crimea and whipping up a rebellion in the east. A tenuous cease-fire was reached in 2015, but peace has been elusive.
A spike in hostilities. Russia has recently been building up forces near its border with Ukraine, and the Kremlin’s messaging toward its neighbor has hardened. Concern grew in late October, when Ukraine used an armed drone to attack a howitzer operated by Russian-backed separatists.
Ominous warnings. Russia called the strike a destabilizing act that violated the cease-fire agreement, raising fears of a new intervention in Ukraine that could draw the United States and Europe into a new phase of the conflict.
The Kremlin’s position. President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia, who has increasingly portrayed NATO’s eastward expansion as an existential threat to his country, said that Moscow’s military buildup was a response to Ukraine’s deepening partnership with the alliance.
Rising tension. Western countries have tried to maintain a dialogue with Moscow. But administration officials recently warned that the U.S. could throw its weight behind a Ukrainian insurgency should Russia invade.

During the meeting at Camp David, Mr. Austin and Gen. Mark A. Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, appeared by video from the Pentagon and from General Milley’s quarters, where he has been quarantining since he tested positive for the coronavirus. Officials said that if Mr. Biden approved the deployment, some of the troops would come from the United States, while others would move from other parts of Europe to the more vulnerable countries on NATO’s eastern flank.

American officials did not describe in detail the ground troop reinforcements under review, but current and former commanders said they should include more air defense, engineering, logistics and artillery forces.
Besides the troops, Mr. Biden could also approve sending additional aircraft to the region.
Representative Michael McCaul of Texas, the top Republican on the Foreign Affairs Committee, said on Sunday that the United States also needed to conduct more training in those NATO nations.
“We need joint exercises in Poland, the Baltic States, Romania, Bulgaria, to show Putin that we’re serious,” Mr. McCaul said on “Face the Nation.” “Right now, he doesn’t see we’re serious.”

According to Poland’s defense ministry, there are currently about 4,000 U.S. troops and 1,000 other NATO troops stationed in Poland. There are also about 4,000 NATO troops in the Baltic States.
The United States has been regularly flying Air Force RC-135 Rivet Joint electronic-eavesdropping planes over Ukraine since late December. The planes allow American intelligence operatives to listen to Russian ground commanders’ communications. The Air Force is also flying E-8 JSTARS ground-surveillance planes to track the Russian troop buildup and the movements of the forces.

The Biden administration is especially interested in any indication that Russia may deploy tactical nuclear weapons to the border, a move that Russian officials have suggested could be an option.
More than 150 U.S. military advisers are in Ukraine, trainers who have for years worked out of the training ground near Lviv, in the country’s west, far from the front lines. The current group includes Special Operations forces, mostly Army Green Berets, as well as National Guard trainers from Florida’s 53rd Infantry Brigade Combat Team.

Military advisers from about a dozen allied countries are also in Ukraine, U.S. officials said. Several NATO countries, including Britain, Canada, Lithuania and Poland, have regularly sent training forces to the country.
In the event of a full-scale Russian invasion, the United States intends to move its military trainers out of the country quickly. But it is possible that some Americans could stay to advise Ukrainian officials in Kyiv, the capital, or provide frontline support, a U.S. official said.
Katie Benner, Edward Wong and Lara Jakes contributed reporting.

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jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
I wonder what Putin would do if we started invading the Eastern part of Russia once he invades Ukraine? He has no military left over there. Would be easy pickens.
I read where he has loaded the sea off Siberia with Russian subs, no doubt loaded to the gills with nukes...
 

jward

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State Dept official says U.S. ordered departure of all family members of U.S. embassy employees in Ukraine, gave option for non-essential employees to leave, said U.S. won’t be able to evacuate Americans if Russia invades, and adds U.S. doesn’t know if Putin has made up his mind.
State Dept official refused to say how many U.S. citizens are registered under the Smart Traveler Enrollment Program (STEP) in Ukraine, and refused to say how many Americans the State Dept estimates are in Ukraine, saying that the number changes and that “we don’t guesstimate.”
 

jward

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After Disaster in Afghanistan, Biden Considers Plan to Send U.S. Troops to Defend Ukraine

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Posted: Jan 23, 2022 9:10 PM







After Disaster in Afghanistan, Biden Considers Plan to Send U.S. Troops to Defend Ukraine

Source: (AP Photo/Susan Walsh)
In a last ditch effort to deter Russian President Vladimir Putin from invading Ukraine, President Joe Biden is considering a plan to send thousands of U.S. troops to the region.

FOX confirms that President Biden was presented options at Camp David and is now weighing sending 3,000-5,000 US troops to Eastern Europe (Romania) and Baltics as part of a broader NATO effort to bolster support to the NATO Allies who border Russia and Ukraine given the tensions.
— Pat Ward (@WardDPatrick) January 24, 2022
Biden is currently at Camp David and will return to the White House Monday morning.
The news about the potential deployment of U.S. troops comes shortly after the State Department advised Americans to stay out of Ukraine and to leave the country immediately. U.S. diplomats and their families are being told to depart and emergency personnel are also being advised to depart.
BREAKING: State Department orders families of U.S. embassy personnel in Ukraine to begin evacuating the country as soon as Monday: U.S. officials
— Lucas Tomlinson (@LucasFoxNews) January 22, 2022
On a phone call with reporters Sunday, State Department officials warned Americans will be left behind if they don't get out now.
“Given that the President has said military action by Russia could come at any time. The U.S. government will not be in a position to evacuate U.S. citizens. So U.S. citizens, currently present in Ukraine should plan accordingly,” an official said.


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von Koehler

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Germany is not supporting any anti-Russian moves.

Been there, done that. Suffered millions of casualties and lost nearly everything.

I recently read that many German POW's were held for 15 years after the war ended
 

Squid

Veteran Member
Well, they haven't learned SQUAT from Affy.
State Dept. Dweebs ALL need butt-****ed until they learn that YOU TAKE CARE OF YOUR OWN. PERIOD. FULL STOP.

THIS PISSES ME OFF to the point of being willing to strangle people. Funny, when *I* grew up (POTUS Kennedy knew how this crap worked.) What the **** happened to American Sensibilities!?
These are democrats. Today they have more in common with Karl Marx than JFK.
 

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After Disaster in Afghanistan, Biden Considers Plan to Send U.S. Troops to Defend Ukraine

Katie Pavlich
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Posted: Jan 23, 2022 9:10 PM







After Disaster in Afghanistan, Biden Considers Plan to Send U.S. Troops to Defend Ukraine

Source: (AP Photo/Susan Walsh)
In a last ditch effort to deter Russian President Vladimir Putin from invading Ukraine, President Joe Biden is considering a plan to send thousands of U.S. troops to the region.


Biden is currently at Camp David and will return to the White House Monday morning.
The news about the potential deployment of U.S. troops comes shortly after the State Department advised Americans to stay out of Ukraine and to leave the country immediately. U.S. diplomats and their families are being told to depart and emergency personnel are also being advised to depart.

On a phone call with reporters Sunday, State Department officials warned Americans will be left behind if they don't get out now.
“Given that the President has said military action by Russia could come at any time. The U.S. government will not be in a position to evacuate U.S. citizens. So U.S. citizens, currently present in Ukraine should plan accordingly,” an official said.


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6:49 PM · Jan 23, 2022
 

Squid

Veteran Member
Germany is not supporting any anti-Russian moves.

Been there, done that. Suffered millions of casualties and lost nearly everything.

I recently read that many German POW's were held for 15 years after the war ended
Are you kidding, many never made it back but died in work camps.
 

Seeker22

Has No Life - Lives on TB
It's all so maddening. The 2020 steal was obvious. The people pulling the strings (on many levels) are well known. The media footsoldiers don't know history, and don't realize that they'll be swept away if this operation is successful.

I'll miss them so! /sarc
 

AlfaMan

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There must have been something go wrong during the call Thursday. Comrade Joe has gone from rhetoric and sanctions to considering posting US troops in quantity in east eastern Europe. And sending 180 tons of military armaments and ammo to Kiev in the past two days. Whatever train the US and Russia were on is now in the process of derailing.

At this rate I'd almost expect opening shots in this war by the end of the week.
 

danielboon

TB Fanatic
There must have been something go wrong during the call Thursday. Comrade Joe has gone from rhetoric and sanctions to considering posting US troops in quantity in east eastern Europe. And sending 180 tons of military armaments and ammo to Kiev in the past two days. Whatever train the US and Russia were on is now in the process of derailing.

At this rate I'd almost expect opening shots in this war by the end of the week.
it is looking that way
 

Lone_Hawk

Resident Spook
There must have been something go wrong during the call Thursday. Comrade Joe has gone from rhetoric and sanctions to considering posting US troops in quantity in east eastern Europe. And sending 180 tons of military armaments and ammo to Kiev in the past two days. Whatever train the US and Russia were on is now in the process of derailing.

At this rate I'd almost expect opening shots in this war by the end of the week.

Can't puddin' head just send Vlad some ice cream and call it a day instead? Asking for a friend...
 

Samuel Adams

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America is being set up to fail by leftist traitors. It's been decades in the making.

It’s really not that difficult, is it.


The only thing potentially “stupid”, about the reckless actions of stateside PTB is the extremely remote chance they ever might be held accountable by the American people.


Anyone care to join me in holding our breath ?


I mean, how much longer could it be ?
 

jward

passin' thru
Hume thought he'd as much as rolled over already i.e. agreed to give Russia some/all of things he needed to prevent Putin going into Ukraine..if so, this chatter about considering troops could be part of an effort to "save face" by appearing to have played hard ball-
or a face saving measure given to him, like in the cuban crisis years ago?

Everyone seems to agree that we can't do China/Taiwan and Russia/Ukraine, and that it isn't even a close choice, so. . .
wait and watch this one, it's not done baking yet.
There must have been something go wrong during the call Thursday. Comrade Joe has gone from rhetoric and sanctions to considering posting US troops in quantity in east eastern Europe. And sending 180 tons of military armaments and ammo to Kiev in the past two days. Whatever train the US and Russia were on is now in the process of derailing.

At this rate I'd almost expect opening shots in this war by the end of the week.

At this point I can only offer up a prayer for these young men that will be going thru hell shortly.
 

anney

Veteran Member
There must have been something go wrong during the call Thursday. Comrade Joe has gone from rhetoric and sanctions to considering posting US troops in quantity in east eastern Europe. And sending 180 tons of military armaments and ammo to Kiev in the past two days. Whatever train the US and Russia were on is now in the process of derailing.

At this rate I'd almost expect opening shots in this war by the end of the week.
Certainly looking likely
 

TheChrome

Contributing Member
France has been awefully quiet the last couple months. They openly said they would "defend the territorial integrity of Ukraine." Haven't heard much from them lately, other than the "flyby" near Crimea with their Rafales a few weeks ago.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Alfa man, you aren't NORMALLY an incurable optimist!!??

WHAT GIVES. END OF THE WEEK?? DELUSIONAL!!

(sometimes the head, it must be shaken)
 

philkar

Veteran Member
Just a side note Blinkin's hair looks like it is starting to fall out. And lastly if I were in Ukraine I would remember what was done and is being done in A'stan and call UBER immediately. This bunch DOES leave US citizens behind. It doesn't matter what your previous relationship with US is/was.
 
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