ENVR Radioactive landfill in Oklahoma- 50,000 tons

helen

Panic Sex Lady
We don't know what it is or where it came from, but it's safe.

We do know what it is, and it's safe.

We thought it was 3,000 tons, but it's 17 times that much. But don't worry.

We haven't got the test results from the surrounding areas, but we're sure it's okay.

Cover it with clay and build a fence. It will be fine.



FOX23 spoke with David Robertson, an on-scene coordinator with the EPA. He said they don’t know what the radioactive material is coming from on the site, but the area was once a landfill back in the 1970s. Before the site was converted to a landfill, it was a coal mine.

He said Deaver, and other residents, shouldn’t worry about the radioactive material glowing or being dangerous.
“The contaminant in concern is Thorium 232, which is a naturally occurring radioactive element,” Robertson said. “It is not all that radioactive. You can hold it in your hand. It is not warm, it doesn’t glow, none of that stuff.”

He continued, “But what it does, as part of its natural breakdown, it produces a gas called Radon which if you were to build a building on the site it could trap it, and people could breathe it in.”

However, the EPA said when they previously examined the site, they thought they could remove what they believed was just over 3,000 tons of radioactive material. Now, Robertson said that number has grown.

“We think it’s about 17 times that much,” he explained. “The first thing that crossed my mind was, ‘Did we miss something that we were supposed to find?’ The answer is, ‘I am not sure.’”

Robertson continued, “The site has been evaluated by the Brownfields program, the state evaluated it and in any case, as part of the removal program, it is still too big for us to get our arms around. So ultimately, if we had come out here knowing there was that much, we would have proposed to put a cap on it and a fence around it.”

Deaver learned Tuesday just how much more radioactive material was found.
“Wow, that is all you can really say,” he said.

Robertson said they went from trying to remove it to now burying it safely.
“What we are doing is putting a clay cap on the site on the radioactive portion, a clay cap and two compacted clay layers each about six inches, and building a fence around the site,” Robertson said.


Robertson said the EPA took ground and water samples from a nearby creek to see if there is a larger impact. He said the samples will take a couple of weeks to be processed.

“We do not anticipate any impact in the drinking water or any off-site impacts at all,” Robertson said.



 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Why aren't they using it in either a Thorium reactor or a Fuel Cycle reactor to make U235?...

And does anyone else get a funny feeling about a nuclear dumping, from unknown sources, in a place called "Broken Arrow, OK"?

It’s on the Rez, so it’s okay.

I have so much to say about this because a particular corporation in the greater St. Louis Missouri area was dumping barrels of radioactive waste in the sewer systems, in the bump of the night, in a lot of small towns in both Illinois and Missouri. And they also had a contract to burn said wares in a couple of power plants in central Illinois. As a result many people, like myself, now have serious health issues.

There’s no one left to hold accountable, god knows the state of Illinois will never be held accountable, and you know full well they knew what was going on.
 
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Cag3db1rd

Paranoid Pagan
Why aren't they using it in either a Thorium reactor or a Fuel Cycle reactor to make U235?...

And does anyone else get a funny feeling about a nuclear dumping, from unknown sources, in a place called "Broken Arrow, OK"?
I have many friends there. Please tell me more.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Why aren't they using it in either a Thorium reactor or a Fuel Cycle reactor to make U235?...

And does anyone else get a funny feeling about a nuclear dumping, from unknown sources, in a place called "Broken Arrow, OK"?
I think you meant U233 or Pu239...
 

LoupGarou

Ancient Fuzzball
This guy is either a genius or a complete moron.
The fresh (new) Uranium mix pellets that they use in the reactors here in VA can be held in you hand (you want a glove on not because of the radiation levels, but because Uranium is toxic). Used pellets from one of the reactors are a different story. Just like U235, Thorium 232 is an Alpha emitter.
 

LoupGarou

Ancient Fuzzball
More info:

Doing some GHDB digging leads all sorts of history about this site and area:
And they seem to have known about this (and other similar things in the area) for a while:
 

Cag3db1rd

Paranoid Pagan
Just East of the Tractor Supply, would be the tree populated rectangle in the middle of this map.
View attachment 383158

Zoomed in:
View attachment 383157

It's a landfill area from the 80's, but the question is if someone started using it again, or if this had been there all along and somebody/something detected the radiation recently.
Dang. Now I am tempted to go see if my Nukalert chirps out there. I'm on the way other side of Tulsa from BA out near the airport.

Eta : I'm crazy like that

Also, I need to scope how close that is to a friend who recently came down with a rare bone cancer.
 
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LoupGarou

Ancient Fuzzball
Dang. Now I am tempted to go see if my Nukalert chirps out there. I'm on the way other side of Tulsa from BA out near the airport.

Eta : I'm crazy like that

Also, I need to scope how close that is to a friend who recently came down with a rare bone cancer.

From what I am reading in the material that I am finding online, most of it is alpha emitters in that landfill, so unless you inhale or ingest it, it alpha wont hurt you. A few inches of air or a single sheet of paper stops the emissions, so just the fact of living next to it is not the threat. If it is getting into the water table and into people's wells, that is goging to be a different story...
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
I am interested…..can you name towns/cities adjacent ?

Put your compass thingy on Springfield, Illinois and then draw a circle out say about five inches all the way around and you'll have a good idea of the locations, with the majority being to the south, south east, and south west... follow the prevailing winds.
 

Samuel Adams

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Put your compass thingy on Springfield, Illinois and then draw a circle out say about five inches all the way around and you'll have a good idea of the locations, with the majority being to the south, south east, and south west... follow the prevailing winds.

My map is very small.



That five inch circle reached all the way to Beijing, Moscow….AND Cape Horn !!!


The prevailing winds must be having a field day.

:cmpcf:
 

Bubble Head

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They quit mining Thorium around 1961. Processing the ore from our AO was done at a mill in Boulder Colorado. My question is this ore or is this processed talings? 50,000 tons is a a large amount to have been dumped. Sources for Thorium ore processing mills is limited.
Interesting that this year a company announced they were going to build a Thorium processing mill in OK. Thorium holds rare earths and this could have been part of an early government op to extract the rare earths from the Thorium.
 

Bubble Head

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Loup I read the attachment from post 11. It states the EPA has decided to move it. Interesting, where they would take it? It could be used for fuel mix with spent uranium rods and burned down for power. But I assume if the government has its way Broken Arrow will be completely removed to a city high rise safe zone.
 

AlfaMan

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They quit mining Thorium around 1961. Processing the ore from our AO was done at a mill in Boulder Colorado. My question is this ore or is this processed talings? 50,000 tons is a a large amount to have been dumped. Sources for Thorium ore processing mills is limited.
Interesting that this year a company announced they were going to build a Thorium processing mill in OK. Thorium holds rare earths and this could have been part of an early government op to extract the rare earths from the Thorium.
wasn't there a nuclear weapons plant somewhere in that area? Wanting to say it was a .gov operation run by dow corp. and shut down in the late 60's. i remember reading something about the site having 50,000 tons of uranium tailings in place on site.
 

Bubble Head

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wasn't there a nuclear weapons plant somewhere in that area? Wanting to say it was a .gov operation run by dow corp. and shut down in the late 60's. i remember reading something about the site having 50,000 tons of uranium tailings in place on site.
The nuke weapons plant was called Rocky Flats and is now a park that i have never been in. They drilled down like 18,000 feet and injected nuke waste below Denver. The Thorium ore mill was in Boulder and separated the ore into THo2 which is the material for fuel. At the time Colorado had a Thorium Reactor built at St. Vrain on poor soil that the geologist told them not to build on. The plant worked but the structure became unstable due to the site. It was shut down. You have to remember that during this time period rare earth application were just being discovered with one of them being weapon use for lasers. Top Secrete. I spoke with the owners of the ore mill and their only interest was THo2. Any tailings could have been snagged by the government for their rare earth work.
 

Kewpie

Senior Member
I thought this was gonna be about Picher, but holy crap, Broken Arrow? That’s pretty damn populated!
 

cowboy

Veteran Member
Pitcher is where they are probably going to move it!

As for how long they have known about a whole area, the Mexicans new it that is why it was cheap. The Indians knew this land was poison long before the Trail of Tears.
 

ron341

Contributing Member
I live about around 1 1/2 miles from this site. I know developers that have known about this problem for decades. This property is on what is called the 71st street corridor. Any property on 71st street sells for outrageous prices. But for some reason no one would touch this land. Go figure. I am sure that the city leaders are just sick that this story got out. Oh well. Sucks being them.
 

agmfan3

Veteran Member
Read the book Callous Disregard, I can't say it's all true, but I know a lot of it is. I grew up just about a 1 mile as the crow flies.
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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Just a coupla hours west of BA is Crescent. OK.

Think, Silkwood.

Last time I was by there, it looked like monitoring wells were active, downhill towards a creek.
 

Macgyver

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So What I find interesting is no signs of RR tracks. Even old disused ones are easy to spot of google earth view.
So they said it was a coal mine at one time? Where are the tracks? Coal always has rr tracks.
With the lack of rr tracks how did some bring in 50 whatever thousand tons of radioactive material.
Without RR tracks that would be 2-3000 dump trucks? No one in the area did not notice that?
 

helen

Panic Sex Lady
So What I find interesting is no signs of RR tracks. Even old disused ones are easy to spot of google earth view.
So they said it was a coal mine at one time? Where are the tracks? Coal always has rr tracks.
With the lack of rr tracks how did some bring in 50 whatever thousand tons of radioactive material.
Without RR tracks that would be 2-3000 dump trucks? No one in the area did not notice that?
There is a currently used railroad track about two miles south. The creek turnpike is less than 20 years old, I think. A spur may be hidden by road construction, or they may have off loaded it to dump trucks close by.
 
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