RACE WAR Protesters try to swarm Daniel Penny as judge rejects motion to dismiss Jordan Neely manslaughter case: ‘We’re gonna’ get your ass, cracker!’

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Protesters try to swarm Daniel Penny as judge rejects motion to dismiss Jordan Neely manslaughter case: ‘We’re gonna’ get your ass, cracker!’
NYC judge rejects Daniel Penny's motion to dismiss Jordan Neely case
by Kyle Schnitzer and Steve Janoski
Published Jan. 17, 2024, 12:15 p.m. ET

A Manhattan judge on Wednesday rejected former Marine Daniel Penny’s motion to dismiss the charges against him in the subway chokehold death of Jordan Neely — in what an attorney for the slain homeless man’s family called a “big win.”

Judge Maxwell Wiley batted down Penny’s attorneys’ October motion to can the manslaughter case because of alleged issues with prosecutors’ instructions to the grand jury and claims that the medical examiner didn’t establish that Penny’s actions killed Neely.

But Wiley ruled that the ME’s testimony and Neely’s death certificate — which said the former Michael Jackson impersonator died from “compression of the neck (chokehold) — was more than enough to “establish that defendant’s actions caused the death of Neely.”

He also wrote that the court reviewed the grand jury presentation and found it had been properly done.

Penny, a former infantry squad leader who was indicted on charges of second-degree manslaughter and criminally negligent homicide the caught-on-camera, lightning-rod May 2023 killing, was hurried into a waiting black Lexus SUV after the hearing — as sign wielding protesters tried to swarm him outside Manhattan Criminal Court.

“We’re gonna’ get your ass, cracker!” one man screamed through a megaphone as he bounded around the car. “Daniel Penny is a murderer! He’s a murderer! You a murderer!

“There’s a murderer in this car! He choked out a New Yorker!” the man continued, as the NYPD tried to clear him away and let the SUV through.

Penny’s attorney, Thomas Kenniff, said that although the defense team disagrees with the court’s decision to allow the case to move forward, they “understand that the legal threshold to continue even an ill-conceived prosecution is very low.”

“We are confident that a jury, aware of Danny’s actions in putting aside his own safety to protect the lives of his fellow riders, will deliver a just verdict,” Kenniff said in a statement. “Danny is grateful for the continued prayers and support through this difficult process,” Kenniff said in an emailed statement.

Meanwhile, Donte Mills, the Neely family’s attorney, called Wiley’s ruling a “big win” while speaking to reporters after court.

“I think it’s important to know that the grand jury said Daniel Penny should face charges for killing Jordan Neely,” Mills said.

“His attorneys tried to get the judge to overrule that, to say what the grand jury said didn’t matter,” he continued. “But the judge didn’t do that. The judge said Daniel Penny will face these charges.

“We’re coming back here in March, and our expectation is that Daniel Penny is going to be found guilty for killing Mr. Jordan.”

Penny is free on $100,000 bail, but he faces up to 19 years behind bars if convicted of killing Neely, a homeless man who launched into an explosive tirade on a Manhattan F train on May 1, 2022.

Neely — who had a long history of mental illness — had been threatening subway riders on the train that day before Penny stepped behind him and sunk the chokehold that the city’s medical examiner says eventually killed Neely.

Penny has said he didn’t intend to do that, but felt he had to step in and protect other straphangers because Neely was throwing trash and screaming that he was willing to “kill a motherf—er” and “take a bullet” and go to jail.

“The rhetoric from Mr. Neely was very frightening, it was very harsh,” a witness previously told The Post.

Legal experts agreed with Wiley’s decision to let the case progress.

“I think based on the case law and the evidence presented to the grand jury, it seems clear that the judge found — and is probably accurate in finding — that that’s not a basis to dismiss,” defense attorney and former Brooklyn prosecutor Julie Rendelman told The Post.

“At the end of the day, it’s going to be for the jury to decide whether or not …. they’re able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the chokehold was the cause of death,” she added.

The next hearing is scheduled for March 20.

A trial will likely be held in the fall.

 

zeker

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Protesters try to swarm Daniel Penny as judge rejects motion to dismiss Jordan Neely manslaughter case: ‘We’re gonna’ get your ass, cracker!’
NYC judge rejects Daniel Penny's motion to dismiss Jordan Neely case
by Kyle Schnitzer and Steve Janoski
Published Jan. 17, 2024, 12:15 p.m. ET

A Manhattan judge on Wednesday rejected former Marine Daniel Penny’s motion to dismiss the charges against him in the subway chokehold death of Jordan Neely — in what an attorney for the slain homeless man’s family called a “big win.”

Judge Maxwell Wiley batted down Penny’s attorneys’ October motion to can the manslaughter case because of alleged issues with prosecutors’ instructions to the grand jury and claims that the medical examiner didn’t establish that Penny’s actions killed Neely.

But Wiley ruled that the ME’s testimony and Neely’s death certificate — which said the former Michael Jackson impersonator died from “compression of the neck (chokehold) — was more than enough to “establish that defendant’s actions caused the death of Neely.”

He also wrote that the court reviewed the grand jury presentation and found it had been properly done.

Penny, a former infantry squad leader who was indicted on charges of second-degree manslaughter and criminally negligent homicide the caught-on-camera, lightning-rod May 2023 killing, was hurried into a waiting black Lexus SUV after the hearing — as sign wielding protesters tried to swarm him outside Manhattan Criminal Court.

“We’re gonna’ get your ass, cracker!” one man screamed through a megaphone as he bounded around the car. “Daniel Penny is a murderer! He’s a murderer! You a murderer!

“There’s a murderer in this car! He choked out a New Yorker!” the man continued, as the NYPD tried to clear him away and let the SUV through.

Penny’s attorney, Thomas Kenniff, said that although the defense team disagrees with the court’s decision to allow the case to move forward, they “understand that the legal threshold to continue even an ill-conceived prosecution is very low.”

“We are confident that a jury, aware of Danny’s actions in putting aside his own safety to protect the lives of his fellow riders, will deliver a just verdict,” Kenniff said in a statement. “Danny is grateful for the continued prayers and support through this difficult process,” Kenniff said in an emailed statement.

Meanwhile, Donte Mills, the Neely family’s attorney, called Wiley’s ruling a “big win” while speaking to reporters after court.

“I think it’s important to know that the grand jury said Daniel Penny should face charges for killing Jordan Neely,” Mills said.

“His attorneys tried to get the judge to overrule that, to say what the grand jury said didn’t matter,” he continued. “But the judge didn’t do that. The judge said Daniel Penny will face these charges.

“We’re coming back here in March, and our expectation is that Daniel Penny is going to be found guilty for killing Mr. Jordan.”

Penny is free on $100,000 bail, but he faces up to 19 years behind bars if convicted of killing Neely, a homeless man who launched into an explosive tirade on a Manhattan F train on May 1, 2022.

Neely — who had a long history of mental illness — had been threatening subway riders on the train that day before Penny stepped behind him and sunk the chokehold that the city’s medical examiner says eventually killed Neely.

Penny has said he didn’t intend to do that, but felt he had to step in and protect other straphangers because Neely was throwing trash and screaming that he was willing to “kill a motherf—er” and “take a bullet” and go to jail.

“The rhetoric from Mr. Neely was very frightening, it was very harsh,” a witness previously told The Post.

Legal experts agreed with Wiley’s decision to let the case progress.

“I think based on the case law and the evidence presented to the grand jury, it seems clear that the judge found — and is probably accurate in finding — that that’s not a basis to dismiss,” defense attorney and former Brooklyn prosecutor Julie Rendelman told The Post.

“At the end of the day, it’s going to be for the jury to decide whether or not …. they’re able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the chokehold was the cause of death,” she added.

The next hearing is scheduled for March 20.

A trial will likely be held in the fall.

can he just say he identified as a deputy?

then his lawyer can determine that no charges are needed :rdog:
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
I ask in sincerity, did the homeless guy touch anybody, hurt anybody? I don't know enough about the actual events.

If all Neely was doing was ranting, it's possible that Perry did make a mistake in interfering physically. And if the chokehold did kill Neely, that makes it hard to dismiss a trial. On the other hand, a jury might be able to find a non-guilty verdict.
 

155 arty

Veteran Member
Protesters try to swarm Daniel Penny as judge rejects motion to dismiss Jordan Neely manslaughter case: ‘We’re gonna’ get your ass, cracker!’
NYC judge rejects Daniel Penny's motion to dismiss Jordan Neely case
by Kyle Schnitzer and Steve Janoski
Published Jan. 17, 2024, 12:15 p.m. ET

A Manhattan judge on Wednesday rejected former Marine Daniel Penny’s motion to dismiss the charges against him in the subway chokehold death of Jordan Neely — in what an attorney for the slain homeless man’s family called a “big win.”

Judge Maxwell Wiley batted down Penny’s attorneys’ October motion to can the manslaughter case because of alleged issues with prosecutors’ instructions to the grand jury and claims that the medical examiner didn’t establish that Penny’s actions killed Neely.

But Wiley ruled that the ME’s testimony and Neely’s death certificate — which said the former Michael Jackson impersonator died from “compression of the neck (chokehold) — was more than enough to “establish that defendant’s actions caused the death of Neely.”

He also wrote that the court reviewed the grand jury presentation and found it had been properly done.

Penny, a former infantry squad leader who was indicted on charges of second-degree manslaughter and criminally negligent homicide the caught-on-camera, lightning-rod May 2023 killing, was hurried into a waiting black Lexus SUV after the hearing — as sign wielding protesters tried to swarm him outside Manhattan Criminal Court.

“We’re gonna’ get your ass, cracker!” one man screamed through a megaphone as he bounded around the car. “Daniel Penny is a murderer! He’s a murderer! You a murderer!

“There’s a murderer in this car! He choked out a New Yorker!” the man continued, as the NYPD tried to clear him away and let the SUV through.

Penny’s attorney, Thomas Kenniff, said that although the defense team disagrees with the court’s decision to allow the case to move forward, they “understand that the legal threshold to continue even an ill-conceived prosecution is very low.”

“We are confident that a jury, aware of Danny’s actions in putting aside his own safety to protect the lives of his fellow riders, will deliver a just verdict,” Kenniff said in a statement. “Danny is grateful for the continued prayers and support through this difficult process,” Kenniff said in an emailed statement.

Meanwhile, Donte Mills, the Neely family’s attorney, called Wiley’s ruling a “big win” while speaking to reporters after court.

“I think it’s important to know that the grand jury said Daniel Penny should face charges for killing Jordan Neely,” Mills said.

“His attorneys tried to get the judge to overrule that, to say what the grand jury said didn’t matter,” he continued. “But the judge didn’t do that. The judge said Daniel Penny will face these charges.

“We’re coming back here in March, and our expectation is that Daniel Penny is going to be found guilty for killing Mr. Jordan.”

Penny is free on $100,000 bail, but he faces up to 19 years behind bars if convicted of killing Neely, a homeless man who launched into an explosive tirade on a Manhattan F train on May 1, 2022.

Neely — who had a long history of mental illness — had been threatening subway riders on the train that day before Penny stepped behind him and sunk the chokehold that the city’s medical examiner says eventually killed Neely.

Penny has said he didn’t intend to do that, but felt he had to step in and protect other straphangers because Neely was throwing trash and screaming that he was willing to “kill a motherf—er” and “take a bullet” and go to jail.

“The rhetoric from Mr. Neely was very frightening, it was very harsh,” a witness previously told The Post.

Legal experts agreed with Wiley’s decision to let the case progress.

“I think based on the case law and the evidence presented to the grand jury, it seems clear that the judge found — and is probably accurate in finding — that that’s not a basis to dismiss,” defense attorney and former Brooklyn prosecutor Julie Rendelman told The Post.

“At the end of the day, it’s going to be for the jury to decide whether or not …. they’re able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the chokehold was the cause of death,” she added.

The next hearing is scheduled for March 20.

A trial will likely be held in the fall.

Whenever those mf'ers feel groggy, please bitch leap !!!
 

blueinterceptor

Veteran Member
I ask in sincerity, did the homeless guy touch anybody, hurt anybody? I don't know enough about the actual events.

If all Neely was doing was ranting, it's possible that Perry did make a mistake in interfering physically. And if the chokehold did kill Neely, that makes it hard to dismiss a trial. On the other hand, a jury might be able to find a non-guilty verdict.
Neely boarded the train at Second Avenue station just before it departed and reportedly began screaming that he was hungry, needed a job, was not afraid of going to prison, and was ready to die. Freelance journalist Juan Alberto Vázquez, who witnessed the incident, said that Neely removed his jacket and threw it violently to the floor, resulting in other passengers moving away from him. Penny then approached Neely from behind and put him in a chokehold.

Theres more on Wikipedia.

If you read all of wiki’s article, I wouldn’t convict him. It looks like he acted before an assault was to occur.
The family abandons people that they can’t deal with. The government doesn’t deal with the emotionally disturbed. They are returned to the street and the public Is left to deal with the disturbed person. Hospitals dispense medication and release the person, once the medication takes effect. In this instance, these people are trapped on a subway car until it pulls into the next station.
Given the totality of the circumstances, Penny fought A battle he did not ask for.
 
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Matt

Veteran Member
Take note of this.... all you white knights!! 99% probability the damsel in distress that Penny stepped up for is a raving leftists....

There is no fixing this mess until the leftists and normies are absolutely mauled by their pets.....
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
Neely boarded the train at Second Avenue station just before it departed and reportedly began screaming that he was hungry, needed a job, was not afraid of going to prison, and was ready to die. Freelance journalist Juan Alberto Vázquez, who witnessed the incident, said that Neely removed his jacket and threw it violently to the floor, resulting in other passengers moving away from him. Penny then approached Neely from behind and put him in a chokehold.

Theres more on Wikipedia.
Sounds like from that description that Penny is going to trial for cause, because it sounds like Neely was just being scary at that point, in a public place. I don't know how far it would have escalated if he hadn't stepped in, though, and I can understand why he did.
 

blueinterceptor

Veteran Member
Sounds like from that description that Penny is going to trial for cause, because it sounds like Neely was just being scary at that point, in a public place. I don't know how far it would have escalated if he hadn't stepped in, though, and I can understand why he did.
Let me ask you this. Given what you know. Would you rather Penny had let Neely strike YOU or worse, or would you have liked Penny to have intervened before he did YOU bodily harm. Remember you are on a moving subway car, there is no escape. Should he have waited?
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
Let me ask you this. Given what you know. Would you rather Penny had let Neely strike YOU or worse, or would you have liked Penny to have intervened before he did YOU bodily harm. Remember you are on a moving subway car, there is no escape. Should he have waited?
Don't misunderstand, I think Penny did the right thing. I'm just saying that getting the case dismissed before a trial was a long shot, and the shot missed the mark.

If Neely hadn't died or was otherwise not permanently injured by the choke hold, the chances would have been much better for a pre-trial dismissal.

Neely was committing assault with his abusive language and threats. He needed stopping, but his death makes things messier. If Neely had made the threats physical, that makes the death much less messy, but I expect a trial would still likely would have been convened.
 

blueinterceptor

Veteran Member
Don't misunderstand, I think Penny did the right thing. I'm just saying that getting the case dismissed before a trial was a long shot, and the shot missed the mark.

If Neely hadn't died or was otherwise not permanently injured by the choke hold, the chances would have been much better for a pre-trial dismissal.

Neely was committing assault with his abusive language and threats. He needed stopping, but his death makes things messier. If Neely had made the threats physical, that makes the death much less messy, but I expect a trial would still likely would have been convened.
His death makes things messier for sure.
The thing to consider is hindsight is always 20/20. Penny made a decision, that unaffected people have had months to criticize. The same people that unleashed this disturbed person upon the People in the subway car.
If several people have voiced their concerns that they felt their safety was in danger, ( which they did) then Penny was justified and this case should not have been brought to trial.
But the liberal DA releases criminals and persecutes people that are forced to defend themselves
 
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JeanCat

Veteran Member
Let me ask you this. Given what you know. Would you rather Penny had let Neely strike YOU or worse, or would you have liked Penny to have intervened before he did YOU bodily harm. Remember you are on a moving subway car, there is no escape. Should he have waited?
Penny certainly messed up, he should have looked around and asked people if they had just become conservatives; if no answer he obviously should have done nothing.
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
His death makes things messier for sure.
The thing to consider is hindsight is always 20/20. Penny made a decision, that unaffected people have had months to criticize. The same people that unleashed this disturbed person upon them.
If several people have voiced their concerns that they felt their safety was in danger, then Penny was justified and this case should not have been brought to trial.
But the liberal DA releases criminals and persecutes people that are forced to defend themselves
I'm in agreement.

ETA: This is the real problem, the unequal presentation of the law.

 
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Bps1691

Veteran Member
It’s New York, the land of crazy lost souls. The judiciary in all blue states has been lost to leftists as judges and prosecutors for the last 20+ years.

The constitution and individual rights are lost on them and most of the looney people who voted this crappy government into power.
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
Take note of this.... all you white knights!! 99% probability the damsel in distress that Penny stepped up for is a raving leftists....

There is no fixing this mess until the leftists and normies are absolutely mauled by their pets.....

'Daniel Penny is a hero - we were scared for our lives': Woman who was on train when Marine veteran put Jordan Neely in a chokehold says he was 'distraught' after accidentally killing him - as she calls for charges to be dropped

Witness says she went back to ‘thank’ Daniel Penny after Jordan Neely chokehold death, is ‘praying’ for him
 
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Bridey Rose

Veteran Member
Not one of the TB2K commenters so far has noted that racial animus element in this case.

If the trouble-making nut were White, would Perry be facing charges? I wonder.

But because nutty Neely was Black, he was free to threaten and terrorize as much as he wanted and face no consequences!

Except Perry threw a monkey wrench in that situation. Or, better phrased, a choke-hold!
 

Coulter

Veteran Member
Not one of the TB2K commenters so far has noted that racial animus element in this case.

If the trouble-making nut were White, would Perry be facing charges? I wonder.

But because nutty Neely was Black, he was free to threaten and terrorize as much as he wanted and face no consequences!

Except Perry threw a monkey wrench in that situation. Or, better phrased, a choke-hold!
True - I guess most of us just figured that was a given.

I will say that this case is probably the last nail in the coffin for any sane white person to try and protect anybody from now on.

I sure won't unless it is a loved one. Everybody else in on their own.
 

blueinterceptor

Veteran Member
True - I guess most of us just figured that was a given.

I will say that this case is probably the last nail in the coffin for any sane white person to try and protect anybody from now on.

I sure won't unless it is a loved one. Everybody else in on their own.
I have said this on other threads. Situations such as this saddens me deeply. I have always been one of those that stood up for the little guy. I’ve always gotten involved in an attempt to help people. If mine are not directly threatened, I will take no direct action. Other than to make a phone call. I’ll be the best anonymous witness I can be.
In today’s environment, you can’t trust the governments actions, you can’t trust the $$ hungry family and you can’t rely on the common sense of the person you are helping or the common sense of the people sitting on a jury.
Its time to hang up the cape.
 

Matt

Veteran Member
I have said this on other threads. Situations such as this saddens me deeply. I have always been one of those that stood up for the little guy. I’ve always gotten involved in an attempt to help people. If mine are not directly threatened, I will take no direct action. Other than to make a phone call. I’ll be the best anonymous witness I can be.
In today’s environment, you can’t trust the governments actions, you can’t trust the $$ hungry family and you can’t rely on the common sense of the person you are helping or the common sense of the people sitting on a jury.
Its time to hang up the cape.
There is a very good reason this society has to have "good Samaritan" laws.... people really will sue you into ruin for saving their lives.

White knights get crushed.... the lefties have to reap the whirlwind before change can occur.... going to prison for protecting them is a fool's errand..
 

blueinterceptor

Veteran Member
There is a very good reason this society has to have "good Samaritan" laws.... people really will sue you into ruin for saving their lives.

White knights get crushed.... the lefties have to reap the whirlwind before change can occur.... going to prison for protecting them is a fool's errand..
The problem is the process has become the punishment. Even if you are completely justified. Proving yourself innocent will ruin you.
 

Burt Gummer

Veteran Member
You know a lot of these people who are so called protesters are actually hired or contracted to protest. That's their job, their income. Paid for by the left to create a little chaos and try to sway opinions. After all this is over I hope Penny gets book deals and movie deals and makes millions.
 

blueinterceptor

Veteran Member
You know a lot of these people who are so called protesters are actually hired or contracted to protest. That's their job, their income. Paid for by the left to create a little chaos and try to sway opinions. After all this is over I hope Penny gets book deals and movie deals and makes millions.
While you are completely right. And I have no doubt this is the case here as well. However the Manhattan DA, the grand jury as well as the judge are not paid protestors.
Any of them could have stopped this in its tracks, if they wanted too.
 
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