[PREPS]Gas Masks - possible group buy?

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Donald Shimoda

In Absentia
Updated:

9-18-2001, 2:35 p.m.

Howdy, Folks.

Spoke to a rep here in the States. Indeed, these things are made in Finland; their American arm does the testing/certification/distribution here, no manufacturing.

Best deal I could get - 100 units or more purchased(a unit being one M95 with one filter), price would be $179.00 each.

By the each, they're $199.00.

Shipping and distribution to the states, within the Continental US - if ordered today, about 2-3 weeks.

You'll do beter with Botach, or some other 'net distributor, I feel. The extra 20 bucks a person isn't gonna be worth the hassle of doing a bulk buy.

*Sigh* - I tried, folks...

There it is.


Peace and Love,

Don


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Howdy, Folks.

Been doin' some thinkin' this evening; always dangerous...


:D

As I looked in on the thread, <a href="http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6871">[PREPS]Can't find gasmasks anywhere</a>, I got to digging up info on the 'net to post about a good gas mask design I'd researched a while back, the M95.

One thing led to another, and I found a link to what appears to be the manufacturer.

http://www.micronelsafety.com/products.htm


Now, I'm thinkin' they probably won't wanna be bothered with individual orders. However, what if those here that are interested chucked in and did a group buy? I figger they'd be interested in doing a bulk deal, maybe even giving a discount for bulk buying.

Everything I've read 'bout gas masks has led me to believe something:

- Get new; you take too many chances trusting your life to used stuff when it comes to gas masks.

Anyway, just thought I'd throw this out, see where it goes. A TB2K Forum coordinated buy, as it might be. Comments?
 
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Cascadians

Cascadians

Leska Emerald Adams
Count us in for 2, plus a couple extra filters each.

The ones we looked at today don't cut the mustard (so to speak).
 
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Squirrel Hunter

Membership Revoked
Here's a caveat: avoid ALL army surplus masks, aka USED gas masks, especially US or Israeli made: these have in all probability been used in Desert Storm or some other engagement, or run the risk of expsoure to other agents or worse ..... microbes. Rense did a program on this a year or so ago: some folks have come down with the "desert storm syndrome" simply from contact with surplus gas masks purchased as Y2k preps, etc. Buy NEW or buy, e.g., German etc.

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stu

stu

Deceased
Donald- If you can set it up, count me in. Not sure how many, but at least 2, and maybe as many as 5 depending on price etc.
 
Dennis Olson

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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I'd be in for 3-4. But be SURE the canisters are the correct ones. Prices on masks/canisters.
 
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Donald Shimoda

In Absentia
Wow...

Okay.

I'll send e-mail to these folks first thing tomorrow, get a price list, see what we can do bulkwise.

Dennis, would you be willing to coordinate the cash aspect for those interested?

Unless someone has another idea(as to brand, design, etc.) this is what I'm lookin' @:


<a href="http://www.micronelsafety.com/m95.htm">M95 Full Face Chemical Cartridge Respirator</a>

<img src=http://www.micronelsafety.com/m952.gif>

Same model, from about a year ago, being worn:

<img src=http://www.mainemilitary.com/auction/m-95.jpg>



Here's the cartridge page:

<a href="http://www.micronelsafety.com/m95%20cartridge.htm">M95 Cartridge</a>

<img src=http://www.micronelsafety.com/filter.gif>


I'll get info, prices, etc.

Oh, yes; this particular mask can also be fitted for eyeglasses(a special set of frames for lenses can be attached inside), voice box, and water bottle. Please specify if you want any of these with your order(this stuff is also available @ most places that sell the M95, and shouldn't be as hard to get as the mask. I'm assuming eyeglasses kits will be in kinda low demand, ditto on the other stuff; after all, their not "lifesavers". FWIW, I'd like to see where I'm going when I have one of these on...)

Dennis, can I act as a representative of TimeBomb2000 to these folks? If so, is TB2K a Corp., Inc., 501c3, or anything like that?

If that's not a topic for discussion, please feel free to e-mail me.

Anybody - if you don't want your name/handle known on this purchase; PM me with your interests. I'll be discreet; Dennis can vouch for that.

There it is...
 
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dkulha

Deceased
Not a bad idea Don but you're a bit late (the story of my life....:o)

The M-95 is Finnish and is probably a pretty good design. Checked the web and found prices varying from $215-$325 per mask with one filter. Noted they only come in two sizes so I'd have some misgivings about fit if I were a big person. Were I to buy a new mask (my MCU-2P's are new, our spares are deconned used ones) I'd likely buy the MSA civilian version of the MCU-2P (Think they call it the "Advantage") which runs about $150. Actually I don't think the Israeli masks are all that bad, particularly if you use a hood with it (the MCU mask hood works very well with them).

BTW, I have no problem with used mil masks; The ones I buy get torn down to the basic components and carefully cleaned with PCMX towellettes and alky prep pads. Must work as I'm still here.

Regards, Don
 
Dennis Olson

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Don, if you would feel that being a "rep" of TB2K would give us a better break, so be it. We would be considered a "not for profit" corp for that purpose.

I can coordinate funding if we actually make the buy. But I would give serious consideration to NOT going over about $100 a mask (without cans).

More than that prices them out of many folks' ability.
 
Satanta

Satanta

Stone Cold Crazy
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Eyes went way South today so bear with my spelling. Using a set of jewelers lenses to read and type...don't help much.

I can't do $100 but I could use some filters for my main mask, Y'll put a layer of petro jelly on the outsude if neccesary,

I don't know the make but the filters are Canadian. One screws on the front above the voice thingy. The screw is a bit larger than the one on the Israeli model.

And guys with beards,,,guess what?
 
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Donald Shimoda

In Absentia
Whoa...

Damn, Canis! HOW big IS that .pdf file? :D

(still downloading...)

dkulha,

Points well taken. The Advantage looks like a good model; those that are interested in it should certainly pursue it(I suggested contacting Botach on the other "gas mask" thread, with some caveats).

Reason why I suggested the M95 - in my research, it was one of the very few masks that took into account folks that need glasses to see. They've designed a special lens/frame kit for this, and for me, that made all the difference in the world.

Also, it was one of the the very few masks that allowed a drinking device - very important if you need to hydrate in a situation where taking your mask off might not be wise.

For the combination of these extra features alone it's worth the extra cash(<a href="http://www.botachtactical.com/micronelsafety.html">Botach</a> sells 'em for $196.00; I'm hoping we can get a better deal. If not, I urge everyone to scour the 'net for the best price on the best gear that'll suit your needs) to me.

As ALWAYS, YMMV, folks! :)


[Edited to add: I'm going to bed. Catch this thread and y'alls PMs tomorrow!!!]
 
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Bill Clo

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I'd be very leery of buying from Botach. Back in '99, I called them twice to get a quote for 2 Surefire gun light systems. Talked to a human being there both times, neither time could they bothered to give me a quote then and there (we'll call you back). Guess they couldn't be bothered with my $500+ order, huh?

I've heard both good and bad about them. Iffy place to do business.

I'd rather have a MCU-2P or equivalent. I want that full faceplate feature. I definitely need the eyeglass lens attachment.

Any chance of dealing with 2 manufacturers so each person can get exactly what he/she wants?

If I can get the better masks, I'll have 2 M40 masks to get rid of...

Still could use more filters, say 10 more.
 
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Donald Shimoda

In Absentia
Mornin', Folks...

Howdy!

Put in a call this a.m. to the folks @ Micronel; left all my contact info. Soon as I hear back from 'em, will post here, keep y'all informed.
 
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Donald Shimoda

In Absentia
Full Faceplate feature

Bill Clo(and for all others interested...),

Micronel also has a full faceplate mask:

http://www.micronelsafety.com/Promask2000.htm

Actually, what they call a "full visor model" - "Made From the Same Materials as the M95 With a single visor."

I don't know about the accessories(glasses frames, drinking bottle), though. Will post as I get more info...
 
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dkulha

Deceased
These folks were interviewed on a local radio station earlier this morning and said they had 600 masks in stock and were expecting another 2600 by weeks end. Prices seem reasonable. I don't care for the old masks or the M-17, M-10 models but the British and Israeli (kid sizes too) should be okay. They have spare filters too.

http://www.swedeandsons.com/gas/

I'll probably bop over there around noon and check it out (Don't need masks but might find something interesting.....). What I reallly want is Mark-1 autoinjectors (atropine) annd 2 Pam Chloride injectors (which of course they won't be selling). Never know...
 
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jed brulen

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Donald try Survivair. They make a full face model and a number of different half-face models. Also self contained. Made in USA.

:rolleyes: except every time I try their site all I get is the sympathy to the wtc families. Can't even find prices.

What a time to mash their site.
 
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dkulha

Deceased
As mentioned drove up to Medford OR to visit this Swede and Son's Surplus I mentioned earlier. They did indeed have masks (only the Briitish ones, some ancient US masks and way overpriced M-17's). They do have a large shipment of new-in-the-box Israeli masks that shipped to them yesterday and should be in by weeks end. Price on these is $18.95 for the youth model and $19.95 for the adult model if I recall correctly. Extra filters are $5.95 each. I posted their website addy a few messages ago and their # is 541.830.6425.

Hope that helps
 
mama of two

mama of two

Senior Member
Hey dkulha-I'm glad you stayed around and hopefully the computer is moving faster for ya. See, you are a valuable asset to this group!

Quick question-I checked out the Swede and Son site and prices. I am no where near as prepped as some and really need some input as to if it is really necessary to buy gas masks? Are we really to that point? Finances are limited and I wonder if I should put $ into the food preps or invest in 6 masks and filter and suits and hoods and it never ends..... I realize if I don't move on this asap they will be gone. TIA
 
moocollins

moocollins

Rider of the storm!
Gasmasks

FYI
I have been contemplating a purchase of gas masks for my family in the past year. Recent events have made me look into this again.
I am displeased to tell you that all major supplier sites are either out of stock on the best models or are gouging terribly on the cheap isreali models and surpluss models. My advice is to spend good money on a good mask and purchase it locally at your Safety store. OnHand Safety has great buys for comfortable full faced masks with great FOV and dual canisters for longer use befor changing canisters. The replacement canisters are reasonable but only available in bulk.
Wilson 8600 is really nice under $175
MSA also has a nice mask under $150
3M 6000 is a comfortable mask under $100
The units that have a fishnet mesh strapping system are the best and most comfortable for long periods MSA and wilson make them but expect to pay upwards of $180 to $200
you can try them all on at a good safety supply store.
Hold off buying the junk....buy the good stuff from a reputable vendor...your less likely to get gouged.
But if you must be frugal wait untill the fervor dies down to get a reasonable price....
 
moocollins

moocollins

Rider of the storm!
Gasmasks

And just another note. If you wear glasses a set of gasmask glasses is a good investment and can be had for arround $70 to $150. I've got a pair and they are well worth the investment.
 
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Reliance

Membership Revoked
Add me for four, with filters. For two guys, a little lady and a child.


Tx!

PS, I think the "Little Ranger" as seen at the bottom of the following site, would be appropriate for my kiddo (for ages 2-12):

http://www.asod.org/id9.htm
 
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theant00

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Masks

Don, will take 4 with case of filters if possible.
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Onebyone

Inactive
Don,

Thanks for spending your time and trying on our behalf.

Sorry it didn't work out. Maybe we won't need them. I think I will stop by a hardware store and get one of those like people who spray chemicals use. I am not sure it covers eyes though.

I am considering the sealed room too. Need to make sure what kind of plastic to use. I have the black kind sold at hardware store but don't know if it is the correct type.
 
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jed brulen

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Of the two, gas mask and filter - filter is more important.

The filter has the filtering material which can be adapted for use in civilian masks. Some mechanical talent and tools etc. In a sealed room the air will eventually go bad. The filter material can be used for air exchange. Totally sealed rooms are dangerous if you don't. If you can't find masks...buy filters.

$.05
 
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Donald Shimoda

In Absentia
Hmm...in a pinch...

...anybody considered scuba gear?


Just wondering if that would do the trick(including a nice shiny wet suit, to keep nasty stuff off the skin)...
 
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Reliance

Membership Revoked
It's hard for me to see a lot of utility in having them for chem or bio.

Are you going to take a mask with you everywhere you go?

Will the school save your child because you left it in the cubby, or use the mask for someone else? Or forget about it?

Will I get through a street safely when those around me are dying and desperate?

What are the chances that I will personally need a gas mask?

How would I use it for nukes?

I'm listening. TIA
 
stu

stu

Deceased
Reliance- Not sure how to answer all of your questions/points, but Ill give it a shot.

Let me start with the easy one first. No a gas mask wont do anything to protect you in the event of a nuclear bomb being detonated. The radiation alone will penetrate the mask like it wasn't even there. The only thing that would protect you from the radiation is lead, or a deep hole. Personally if we are targeted with a nuke, Id just as soon not survive. I really can't see what part of life would still be worth living. But then I could be wrong.

As for taking a gas mask with you everywhere. Yes, you should. And it isn't as hard as it might seem. When a gas mask is folded it doesn't take up much room. The filter would be the hardest thing to tuck into something like a lap top case etc., due to its height. Keeping a gas mask with you when your out is much like carrying a handgun. It just takes a bit of forethought and planning.

There are quite a few problems with having a child taking a gas mask to school. There is the bully factor, as well as what happens if the teacher decides that some other child needs it worse, like a kid with asthma. Also does your kid have enough practice putting it on, and what about the stress factor? I also see a problem with a kid wanting to share the protection with friends, or people that seem hurting because of the chemical agent. Most kids want to help there friends out, and in this case it could be a life threatening thing. To be quite honest with you, there are no easy answers here, and unless you raised your kids to be complete social paths, there will be problems if TSHTF.

Getting down a street etc. wont be as hard as it might seem. If everyone around you is dealing with the effects of the chem/bio agent, then they will probably be more concerned with breathing then getting to you. However, as much as I hate them, a stun gun would work wonders to help clear a path in front of you. This might be one of those situations where having a clear plan of where you need to go would be a good idea. Granted in times of panic even the best laid plans can go flying right out the window. With all things possibly coming to a head real soon, having escape plans, and a bask up or two might not be a bad idea.

Something to remember when wearing a gas mask, is if you have to use a rifle of shotgun for defense, you wont be able to sight like you normally would. The easy way to correct this is to turn the weapon 90 degrees to the side, and use the sights.

Past this Im afraid Im not much help. This is new territory for me as well.
 
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