HEALTH Population Control - Cancer has been curable for a LONG time. So have others...

Rex Jackson

Has No Life - Lives on TB
This was very good. a 7 part series on how this guy is curing cancer and many other diseases with concentrated hemp oil. He went to the Canadian governmnet with his find and the almost locked him up and threw away the key. He brought hsi findings to the supreme courts and regardless what he did, they would not even hear him. Others stood up for him and got threatened and kicked out of places as well. Very interesting look at cures. VS money made in medicines. Also, population control.

This is worth learning how to make this in a SHTF situation. Especially if cancer runs in your family. The below series is an Italian man who discovered how to beat most cancers with baking soda. Again, he too was suppressed, like the super engine, super solar panels and soon the new super batteries.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQuODiMlUsc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri-C8VvF3Rs&feature=related
 

mzkitty

I give up.
I take hemp oil, it's good for other things too.

You can buy it in the refrigerated case at your health food store.

Made in Canada.

I know we've posted about it before, so if anyone does a search on it, there is lots more at old threads.


:)
 

mbo

Membership Revoked
so which is it...

baking soda
hemp seed oil
apple cider vinegar
.
.
.
.
.
????

jeesh
 

dissimulo

Membership Revoked
The final refuge of the scammer is "government oppression".

These things are not believable (among other reasons) because too many people have to be involved.
 

sandra

Inactive
so which is it...

baking soda
hemp seed oil
apple cider vinegar
.
.
.
.
.
????

jeesh

Actually, they all can help. Cancer CANNOT live in a high alkaline body.. get the body alkaline and get rid of the cancer. A doctor in the 1930's earned a Nobel prize in medicine for this discovery.... however, cancer is BIG BUCKS for the pharm and medical community... so you will not see it happening. If you or anyone you know, however, have cancer or get cancer... you need to get on the computer and research body alkalinity and cancer. It is a real eye opener.
 

Worrier King

Deceased
Actually, they all can help. Cancer CANNOT live in a high alkaline body.. get the body alkaline and get rid of the cancer. A doctor in the 1930's earned a Nobel prize in medicine for this discovery.... however, cancer is BIG BUCKS for the pharm and medical community... so you will not see it happening. If you or anyone you know, however, have cancer or get cancer... you need to get on the computer and research body alkalinity and cancer. It is a real eye opener.

Having Stage IV colon cancer with mets to the liver, I've discussed this with numerous oncologists. Altering the cell environment of the human body to create a less-acidic, less-cancer-friendly environment is virtually impossible.

Acid-base balance is tightly regulated by several mechanisms, among them kidney and respiratory functions. Even slight changes to your body’s pH are life-threatening events.

(I cut and pasted that from a website because it states it better than I can.)

Now HERE"S an effective approach, Dr. Nutting is one of my doctors. We've nuked my liver twice with excellent results. Sure beats chemo.
http://www.riainvision.com/invision/patientinfo/intervrad/yttrium-90_microsphere.asp
 

dissimulo

Membership Revoked
You know, if you eat a bunch of alkaline stuff, you will not change your blood pH, because it is buffered. You may, however, if you are really determined, change the pH of your stomach enough to allow bacteria to fluorish that normally cannot survive the acid environment. The end result of that is often illness such as ulcers.

The effect of foods on blood pH is very easy to demonstrate. If you believe this stuff, I highly recommend you go to your doctor for two blood tests - one before you start consuming things that "will make your blood alkaline" and one after you have been consuming them for whatever period of time would convince you. For very little investment of time or money, you will able to clearly see the results.
 

kozanne

Inactive
Prayers up for you WorrierKing!

Ditto. Would have said so long before now, but I wasn't sure where you were 'at' about it. Some folks are happy to accept prayers, good wishes, etc., some are not. Didn't know how you were 'bent' about that.
 

Sleeping Cobra

TB Fanatic
They don't want to use cures. There is no money to be made curing people, only treating people.
And what gets me is all these "studies". Just goof around and not cure peple making a lot of money goofing around.
 

UncurledA

Inactive
I'll be praying for you, too, WK.

That Yttrium-90 stuff is genius. You don't often find doctors who are multidisciplinary enough to invent this type of thing. As for the other things, it could be they affect cancer in inexplicable ways, and they come up with BS reasons so people don't immediately discount the empirical findings. Serendipitous empirical successes happen, especially in the organic chemistry world, so I never dismiss them too quickly. I'll keep that hemp oil in mind.
 

Y2kO

Inactive
Hemp oil is probably one of the few non-GMO oils at this time. The others are coconut oil, olive oil, borage oil, sunflower oil.

The Genetically modified oils are corn, soy and cannola - used in everything.
 

Kronos

Veteran Member
I'll be praying for you, too, WK.
That Yttrium-90 stuff is genius.

You don't often find doctors
who are multidisciplinary enough to invent this type of thing.

As for the other things,
it could be they affect cancer in inexplicable ways,
and they come up with BS reasons so people don't immediately discount the empirical findings.

Serendipitous empirical successes happen,
especially in the organic chemistry world,
so I never dismiss them too quickly.

I'll keep that hemp oil in mind.

Insightful comment.

Much of what is "known", is 'explained' via some or other MODEL
which would be consistent (if true) with extant observations.

Newtonian physics, for one example.

Hey, if something appears to help, the 'why' can wait for satisfactory explication.

In current context,
I do not see how either hemp oil nor cider vinegar present any threat to health,
as opposed to, say, just about ANY pharmaceutical 'treatment'...
and so: why not?
 

dissimulo

Membership Revoked
Hey, if something appears to help, the 'why' can wait for satisfactory explication.

In current context,
I do not see how either hemp oil nor cider vinegar present any threat to health,
as opposed to, say, just about ANY pharmaceutical 'treatment'...
and so: why not?

There is nothing wrong with trying things (although I don't know why anyone would assume that taking hemp oil is safe if it has not been studied - MSDS shows no toxicity, but nature makes plenty of substances that can have toxic effects over long exposures). The problem comes when people trust untested, undocumented, unproven cures over something that we at least have some data on. And, again, nobody should prevent any individual from pursuing whatever course of treatment they choose, but it is better if they do so from an informed standpoint.

And as for the 'why' behind any particular substance - you are absolutely correct. In fact, attributing the effect of a substance to the wrong mechanism is a sure way to have it debunked. It is much better to study and quantify the effect and then postulate possible reasons. For example, it is possible that eating lots of alkaline foods might have an effect on cancer (although I'm not really sure that hasn't been studied and discarded), but we can very easily show that it is not because it changes the blood pH. Claiming that the pH mechanism exists destroys the credibility of the argument, even if there is some positive effect that has been incorrectly analyzed.

If hemp oil has a dramatic effect on all cancers, it should be easy to show that. All I have seen in research are some studies that show a possible improvement in certain brain cancers with hemp oil and other studies that show no measurable effect.

As is so often the case, this one wraps around the flawed assumption that pharmaceutical companies have no interest in products that can be easily derived from plants. However, many pharmaceuticals come from plants and there are a lot of ways to refine a chemical and put it in a pill. Anyone who thinks the pharmaceutical companies couldn't find a way to patent products based on hemp is seriously underestimating them.
 

Emily

One Day Closer
The statement that cancer is BIG bucks is so true.
This countries GDP has dramatically shifted from manufacturing to: Services, Food, Diet programs/pharmaceuticals, and Health care

Cancer and cancer screening plus the diet foods and pharmaceuticals to counter the additives and over processing of our foods are a scandal in and of themselves.

One truth that is finally emerging is the scandal behind mamograms. Many doctors have had concerns for years that they actually can cause damage to breast tissue and contribute to breast cancer cases. There have been many alternative forms of screening for breast abnormalities over the years and they have been rejected - just like the improvements for gas mileage in cars have been pushed aside. The increase in breast cancer deaths since mamograms were first introduced is startling.

They invest billions in these machines and then have to recover their costs and make profits off of them before they can finally let the truth leak out.

I have had several doctor friends tell me that they would never recommend their wives have a mamogram. They use ultra sounds only.

The US economy is not geared towards healthy people - they are geared towards making people sick through marketing harmful food and then selling the cures for the affects.
 

MaureenO

Another Infidel
I'm not saying that a cure is NOT out there, but I've gotta wonder why docs, pharmaceutical execs, nurses and their loved ones are still dying of cancer?

Maureen :dstrs:
 
They don't want to use cures. There is no money to be made curing people, only treating people.
And what gets me is all these "studies". Just goof around and not cure peple making a lot of money goofing around.


The Cancer INDUSTRY is a hugely profitable BUSINESS. Anything that goes against their business models will likely be suppressed.

JMHO...
 

Rex Jackson

Has No Life - Lives on TB
so which is it...

baking soda
hemp seed oil
apple cider vinegar
.
.
.
.
.
????

jeesh


They all appear to work.. Hemp oil, I'm nearly 100% sure. Some people are too far gone and some cancers are too advanced so there will be exceptions.
 

Rex Jackson

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I'm not saying that a cure is NOT out there, but I've gotta wonder why docs, pharmaceutical execs, nurses and their loved ones are still dying of cancer?

Maureen :dstrs:


This could be due to outside reasons such as living in moldy areas, smoking, drug use, allergic reactions etc. I knew a guy who dies of lung cancer with a smoke in his mouth.
 

Rex Jackson

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I was given a week to live 25 years ago. After being exposed to some agents I came down with some nasty cancer in my chest. After three times the dose of normal chemo, I beat it with hemp. I believed it was a combination of the two at first but more and more now I wonder. I started eating hemp to increase my apatite after I went from 215lbs to 132. I was eating concentrated black Indica hashish. Also, I was covered from head to toe with a very odd fungus at the same time that would not go away proving cancer IS a fungus. They told me I had it for a long time and didn't know it.

As soon as I started eating hash I put 2 lbs a week back on and within 4 months I was back to work. Still here today :)

Since then Ive met many people along the way and have heard many stories. Being a survivor many people have come to me.
 

dissimulo

Membership Revoked
Sense not this makes.

The lab researchers (probably at multiple universities and/or companies), the clinical researchers(probably at multiple universities and/or hospitals), the research assistants, the human trials regulators, the reviewers, the academic review committees, the staffs of journals, the company and/or government agencies that want to suppress the information? Among all those groups, every person is willing to zip their lips?

You might think that not so many people need to be involved, but there are many things that look promising in the preliminary stages that don't pan out. Every single one of those projects would have to be suppressed at an early stage, and hundreds of scientists would be showing up to find their work shut down.

That is a lot of cover-up.

And then, if the substance is so basic, it is just a matter of time before the next researcher looks at it and the cycle begins all over again.
 

dissimulo

Membership Revoked
I was given a week to live 25 years ago. After being exposed to some agents I came down with some nasty cancer in my chest. After three times the dose of normal chemo, I beat it with hemp. I believed it was a combination of the two at first but more and more now I wonder. I started eating hemp to increase my apatite after I went from 215lbs to 132. I was eating concentrated black Indica hashish. Also, I was covered from head to toe with a very odd fungus at the same time that would not go away proving cancer IS a fungus. They told me I had it for a long time and didn't know it.

It is great that you got better, but your reasoning is flawed.

You might believe the hemp helped, but you don't know. It is amazing how often people will take a conventional treatment and an "alternative" treatment simultaneously and then credit the alternative with the cure.

The most likely case is that the chemo cured you. The chemo may have helped you, harmed you, or done nothing, but research has established that the cure rate is better than placebo. Hemp may have helped you, harmed you, or done nothing, but there is no way to establish that with a sample size of 1.

You were covered head to toe in fungus? Weird. You were covered in fungus and didn't know it? Double weird.

However, the fact that you were covered in fungus and had cancer is no indication that one is related to the other. That is faulty cause and effect. Many people have cancer and are not covered in fungus.
 

Ender

Inactive
Originally Posted by MaureenO View Post
I'm not saying that a cure is NOT out there, but I've gotta wonder why docs, pharmaceutical execs, nurses and their loved ones are still dying of cancer?

Maureen

That is because everyone has bought into the great myth of modern medicine. This myth propagates lethal- but legal- drugs and ties people into a health system that, over-all, does not work.

Worse- it disallows patients any choice or say in how they would like to be treated.

You can thank Big Pharma, FDA, Medical Association, Big Insurance, and all your great .Gov departments, who "only have your best interest in mind."

This is not saying that there are not good doctors out there trying to help people, nevertheless-

I have mentioned several times on several threads, that a few years ago, when LA doctors went on strike, the DEATH RATE WENT DOWN.
 

Kronos

Veteran Member
I'm not saying that a cure is NOT out there,
but I've gotta wonder why docs, pharmaceutical execs, nurses and their loved ones
are still dying of cancer?

Maureen :dstrs:

Ignorance, as any 'cure' is either suppressed or debunked.

Then there is the pure FEAR, promulgated by TPTB, of:

well,
are you willing to bet your (loved one's) LIFE
on some UN-(FDA-)APPROVED alternative?!?

FDA RULES!!!

:(

Oh, and a last P.S.:
Then there is WRONG and EVIL living...

Just 'coz one may be a
doc, pharma exec, nurse or loved one
does not preclude living with some Death Wish.

aka: wrong living, drugs, what-all

JMO
 

dissimulo

Membership Revoked
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/display.php?id=34380

Why do fewer people die when doctors go on strike?

By Cecil Adams
Posted: January 2, 2008

Hi, Cecil. I have come across a number of seemingly credible reports suggesting that every time doctors go on strike the overall death rate goes down, in some cases quite precipitously. Can you ascertain if this in fact is the case or if some other factors are at work here? —Jacob

As we’ll see below, Jacob, it’s not really so surprising that mortality statistics sometimes show a drop during a doctors’ strike. What’s staggering is that a reasonable person could see such stats and for even an instant think: Holy crap, those doctors are killing us. Sure, there’ll always be a few alternative-medicine fringe dwellers who genuinely see the medical establishment as some sinister cabal presiding over a high-density feedlot of human misery. But the way this “fact” about doctors’ strikes gets passed around suggests that a lot more people are a little more nuts than you’d want to imagine.

No one’s suggesting that changes in the availability of doctors wouldn’t affect what happens to their patients in the short term—a study from last May, for instance, found that in both Australia and the U.S. birth rates decreased from 1 to 4 percent on days when OB/GYNs held their annual conferences. But looking over the data on doctors’ strikes, it’s hard to see where the MDs are saving many lives by staying out of the OR:

• One example often cited is that of a monthlong strike by Los Angeles County physicians in 1976, during which the mortality rate for patients was seen to drop by 18 percent. But a 1979 study in the American Journal of Public Health showed that the overall area death rate remained unchanged, as enough personnel remained on duty to handle the real emergencies. Any seeming benefit to patients’ health likely resulted from about 11,000 fewer operations (presumably elective) being performed that month than was typical, meaning that an estimated 50 to 150 patients who could have been expected to die didn’t.

• A four-month Israeli doctors’ strike in 1983 was found to have some definable effects on public health—the percentage of cesarean sections increased somewhat, and one study suggested hypertension patients might have received worse treatment—but no observed impact on mortality. Nonetheless, the popular wisdom saw the work stoppage as a disaster: A detailed study of public perceptions afterward found that nearly one in four urgent-care patients (or their relatives) felt the strike had resulted in major health problems.

• A 1984 doctors’ strike in Varkaus, Finland, mainly meant fewer visits for colds and stomachaches; no significant harmful effects to the public were seen, researchers found, and the uptick in visits after the doctors returned to work suggested that patients were glad to have them back.

• Another key example used to support the proposition comes from a June 2000 article in the British Medical Journal written during another Israeli strike; the author reported that in the three months after doctors walked out, death rates fell significantly in affected cities. However, her data were by no means the result of a scientific study but consisted mostly of anecdotal reports from funeral home directors, who claimed they’d seen “the same thing in 1983.” What is known is that, as in the LA strike, many thousands of elective surgeries were postponed but emergency rooms and chronic care departments remained open.

• In 2003 a SARS outbreak closed four hospitals in Toronto, and all nonemergency services were suspended. Among other things, this led to the canceling of a quarter to a half of joint-replacement surgeries, 40 percent of cardiac surgeries, and as many as 93 percent of some outpatient procedures. The result? The greater Toronto area did see a slight dip in mortality rate relative to the prior two years, but so did the rest of Ontario, and the decrease wasn’t statistically significant anyway.

So despite media suggestions to the contrary, doctors going on strike doesn’t seem to have much effect on the death rate one way or the other, and any reduction seen is probably the result of postponed or canceled nonemergency surgeries. And that figures: Any surgery is risky, and some common procedures (like coronary bypass or aneurysm repair) have a death rate you just can’t ignore. But leaving the tummy tucks out of it, most elective surgeries boast a pretty serious payoff, either in quality-of-life improvement right now or in medical trouble avoided down the line. If 600 people die each year as a result of hip-replacement surgery, does that mean the 200,000-plus patients that pulled through were fools to go under the knife? You’re welcome to calculate the odds however you like, and in certain cases it may well make sense to question the value of surgery. As a general proposition, though, if my health is on the line, I’m glad to hear that the doctor is in.

http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/display.php?id=34380
 

Ender

Inactive
One example often cited is that of a monthlong strike by Los Angeles County physicians in 1976, during which the mortality rate for patients was seen to drop by 18 percent. But a 1979 study in the American Journal of Public Health showed that the overall area death rate remained unchanged, as enough personnel remained on duty to handle the real emergencies. Any seeming benefit to patients’ health likely resulted from about 11,000 fewer operations (presumably elective) being performed that month than was typical, meaning that an estimated 50 to 150 patients who could have been expected to die didn’t.

dissimulo- read what you've posted.

Patients did not die because they didn't have the operations.

Hello?
 

Kronos

Veteran Member
dissimulo:

I do not think that you intend to be such, but IMO,
you are a Troll (or more fairly, being trollish) in this thread.

Why ever would 'hemp oil' (just for one example)
be a thing which would not be considered MINIMALLY SAFE TO INGEST
sans ...some taxpayer investment for 'study of'?!?

FOR SERIOUS!!!

Oh, and pharma would only advise any patient take hemp
if they could GMO it into ineffectiveness (with patent and 'royalties').

Again, JM(jaded)O.

Big Pharma has ZILCH interest in 'curing' anyone.

Where's the PROFIT in that?

Now, just as a matter of curiosity, do you HONESTLY believe,
that pharmaceutical companies put "cure" before PROFIT?

Cure: fewer 'repeat customers'.

Seriously.
 

dissimulo

Membership Revoked
dissimulo- read what you've posted.

Patients did not die because they didn't have the operations.

Hello?

Well, it is reasonable to expect people to die in surgery. So, it is reasonable to expect that portion of the death rate to decline when doctors refuse to perform operations.

But, if you think that is an improvement, you completely disregard the increased quality of life for the people who have those operations (and survive). Everyone knows that you are rolling the dice when you have surgery, but those who take the risk feel it is warranted in light of the benefit they may receive.

Would you argue that we should never have elective surgeries because the patient can die even when the doctors do everything right?
 

Rex Jackson

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The lab researchers (probably at multiple universities and/or companies), the clinical researchers(probably at multiple universities and/or hospitals), the research assistants, the human trials regulators, the reviewers, the academic review committees, the staffs of journals, the company and/or government agencies that want to suppress the information? Among all those groups, every person is willing to zip their lips?

Greed is a funny thing is't it? Doctors that make $1,000,000 a year would instantly make $150,000 a year. Nurses that make $37hr would drop to $15.
Go to a doctor and ask him for hemp oil. He will tell you to go find another doctor. Guess what the largest investment industry is? Guess what industry is easiest to manipulate? Pharmaceutical.

It a huge inside trade secret. A new drug comes up. The people on the floor all ready know if it will be passed it our not...so they invest in the company KNOWING the stocks will shoot. If it is going to get rejected, they can sell or buy accordingly. They are trying to make all health food supplements over the counter now did you know that? Yep.
 

Rex Jackson

Has No Life - Lives on TB
That is a lot of cover-up.

Whats a nurse going to tell her doctor to go study hemp? Even if a doctor did want to what is he going to do, fight Washington DC? heay right. We cant even fight them to keep them from stealing trillions of dollars a week. How are we going to tell them what drugs to move.

And then, if the substance is so basic, it is just a matter of time before the next researcher looks at it and the cycle begins all over again.

They are. ALL OVERSEAS
 

Rex Jackson

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The statement that cancer is BIG bucks is so true.
This countries GDP has dramatically shifted from manufacturing to: Services, Food, Diet programs/pharmaceuticals, and Health care

Cancer and cancer screening plus the diet foods and pharmaceuticals to counter the additives and over processing of our foods are a scandal in and of themselves.

One truth that is finally emerging is the scandal behind mamograms. Many doctors have had concerns for years that they actually can cause damage to breast tissue and contribute to breast cancer cases. There have been many alternative forms of screening for breast abnormalities over the years and they have been rejected - just like the improvements for gas mileage in cars have been pushed aside. The increase in breast cancer deaths since mamograms were first introduced is startling.

They invest billions in these machines and then have to recover their costs and make profits off of them before they can finally let the truth leak out.

I have had several doctor friends tell me that they would never recommend their wives have a mamogram. They use ultra sounds only.

The US economy is not geared towards healthy people - they are geared towards making people sick through marketing harmful food and then selling the cures for the affects.

The money is staggering. My cancer was close to $350,000 and it was short lived.
 

Ender

Inactive
But, if you think that is an improvement, you completely disregard the increased quality of life for the people who have those operations (and survive). Everyone knows that you are rolling the dice when you have surgery, but those who take the risk feel it is warranted in light of the benefit they may receive.

Would you argue that we should never have elective surgeries because the patient can die even when the doctors do everything right?

I am predicting, my friend, that someday humanity will look back on this age of medicine, in shock and horror, for the insanity that was perpetrated on the ignorant masses in the name of Health.
 

Rex Jackson

Has No Life - Lives on TB
It is great that you got better, but your reasoning is flawed.

You might believe the hemp helped, but you don't know. It is amazing how often people will take a conventional treatment and an "alternative" treatment simultaneously and then credit the alternative with the cure.

The most likely case is that the chemo cured you. The chemo may have helped you, harmed you, or done nothing, but research has established that the cure rate is better than placebo. Hemp may have helped you, harmed you, or done nothing, but there is no way to establish that with a sample size of 1.

You were covered head to toe in fungus? Weird. You were covered in fungus and didn't know it? Double weird.

However, the fact that you were covered in fungus and had cancer is no indication that one is related to the other. That is faulty cause and effect. Many people have cancer and are not covered in fungus.

My reasoning isn't flawed, your attempt at Resolution was. Probably due to my lack of detail.

First, don't underestimate another's knowledge and it is also considered disrespectful to suggest that they may be fabricating their story. If you are young, this is understandable. Now, I had cancer for 2-3 years. The last 3-4 months before I collapsed I developed a skin condition in which covered my entire body. No treatments were effective. At most it would de-flame it for a few days. A biposy was performed it it came back as a fungus usually found in South America. When I finally got cancers, they thought I was a dead man. They stopped looking at my skin and focused elsewhere. Me on the other hand, did not. I watched it fade with the cancer but NOT until I started eating hemp.

Next I lived in my body. I know what Chemo was doing and was not. I could tell when I was fading and when I was not and I could tell when I was strong and when I was not. When you are dieing, all your sense change. You can smell a glass of water 20 feet away and a TV commercial could make you pass out. Trust me, the hemp was a turning point.
 
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