[POL] Votes Found On Machines In Philly, Before Polls Open (Drudge)

Rams82

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Before voting even began in Philladelphia -- poll watchers found nearly 2000 votes already planted on machines scattered throughout downtown... One incident occurred at 2601 N. 11th St., Philadelphia, Pa: Ward 37, division 8... pollwatchers uncovered 4 machines with planted votes; one with over 200 and one with nearly 500... A second location, 1901 W. Girard Ave., Berean Institute, Philadelphia, Pa, had 300+ votes already on 2 machines at start of day... INCIDENT: 292 votes on machine at start of day; WARD/DIVISION: 7/7: ADDRESS: 122 W. Erie Ave., Roberto Clemente School, Philadelphia, Pa.; INCIDENT: 456 votes on machine at start of day; WARD/DIVISION: 12/3; ADDRESS: 5657 Chew Ave., storefront, Philadelphia, Pa... Developing...

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Tessa Blue

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Do the electronic voting machines print out some sort of paper ballet so we would be able to prove it hadn't been tampered with?
 

Rams82

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A gun was purposely made visible to scare poll watchers at Ward 30, division 11, at 905 S. 20th St., Grand Court. Police were called and surrounded the location... Developing...

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Wildweasel

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Tessa Blue said:
Do the electronic voting machines print out some sort of paper ballet so we would be able to prove it hadn't been tampered with?

The machines being used in Philly are the old mechanical ones that have been easy to rig ever since they were first used. I'm surprised that in Philly they simply weren't set to record a Democrat vote every time the handle was pulled, no matter what the voter selected.

That's the way the set them up in the Scanton area.

WW
 

GILTRIC

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Were they votes for Roosevelt?


None of the stories mentioned who the votes were for, and Philly is corrupt even when it comes to voting on whats for lunch at the local PTA meetings.


Maybe they were votes for Hoeffel or Murphy.
 

potemkin

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Tessa Blue said:
Do the electronic voting machines print out some sort of paper ballet so we would be able to prove it hadn't been tampered with?

Most location the answer is no.
 

SageTheRage

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MORE mayhem ensues elsewhere as well

Synopsis: Besides the pre-voting on the Philly machines, we have: IA, MI, MN reporting disruption by liberal interest group (moveon.org), 1/2 of FL precincts voting on machines that are NOT hack proof, New Orleans had ALL 3 of it's voting machines in a broken status, SC had to switch to paper ballots midstream, Richmond VA has wrong briefly incidents of casting in wrong congressional district, one county in FL had failed memory card that didn't count 13K votes, Cleveland OH has poll judge problems, and add to all this the fact that more than a dozen states missed the deadline for mailing out absentee ballots...and so it goes...


Scattered Problems Impede Some Voting - by Anick Jesdanun, Associated Press Writer

Voters grappled with partisan challenges to their registrations, broken equipment and other troubles Tuesday as legions of lawyers, election-rights activists and computer scientists watched for signs of voter disenfranchisement.

Election officials in Iowa, Michigan and Minnesota fielded complaints of disruptions by the liberal interest group MoveOn.org, while in Ohio, a woman sued on behalf of people who did not receive absentee ballots on time, asking that they be allowed to cast provisional ballots.

In Philadelphia, Republican activists claimed voting machines already had thousands of votes recorded on them when the polls opened. But city officials countered that the activists misunderstood numbers on odometers that records every vote ever cast — not just those for this election.

Nearly one in three voters nationwide, including about half of those in Florida, were expected to cast ballots using ATM-style voting machines that computer scientists have criticized for their potential for software glitches, hacking and malfunctioning.

Other major concerns were over provisional ballots, new this presidential election and a potential source of delayed counts, and whether poll workers were adequate and sufficiently trained.

"To a certain extent, provisional ballots are second-class votes," said Spencer Overton, a law professor at George Washington University. "You can cast a provisional ballot but we don't know if officials will count it."

Long lines greeted voters in many big cities in closely contested states, and some polls opened late.

At one New Orleans precinct, all three voting machines were broken and voters were told to come back later, said Bill Quigley, an attorney working for the NAACP.

In South Carolina, problems were reported in a handful of precincts in two counties using electronic machines. Officials said voters were forced to switch to paper ballots while technicians got the iVotronic touch screens from Electronic Systems & Software up and running within about 90 minutes.

Voters in one Richmond, Va., precinct using an old-style machine briefly cast ballots in the wrong congressional race.

And in Volusia County, Fla., a memory card in an optical-scan voting machine failed Monday at an early voting site and didn't count 13,000 ballots. Officials planned to feed the ballots, in which voters fill in a bubble, and count them Tuesday.

Tension was high at some Ohio polling places, including at one in Cleveland where a Democratic official claimed he was thrown out by a screaming poll judge before another told him he could return to the church basement.

Chellie Pingree, president of the citizens lobbying group Common Cause, said her group was running a toll-free voting complaint and information hotline that logged 20,000 calls by 10 a.m. EST.

"Many of the states where the election is closest and contested is where we're hearing from people most," she said.

Pingree said high turnout meant "more confusion to already overburdened, understaffed polling places, many of which will have as many lawyers and poll challengers as they have people voting."

A separate Web site and phone hotline maintained by nonpartisan and liberal voting-rights activists fielded thousands of complaints, including from people who showed up at polling stations to discover they weren't registered.

"If people are not being formally denied the right to vote, they are having to work hard enough to vote that many of them will not have the opportunity," said Will Doherty, executive director for the Verified Voting Foundation, a nonpartisan voting-rights group.

Both parties had thousands of lawyers dispatched and on call to respond to trouble. In a decision early Tuesday, a federal appeals court cleared the way for political parties to challenge voters' eligibility at polling places throughout Ohio. A key problem is the lack of a unified voting system for the nation, the legacy of a patchwork of balloting technologies, regulations, partisan bickering and litigation.

A federal law passed in response to the 2000 election mess required states to offer provisional, or backup, ballots to voters who find they are not listed on the rolls, or whose eligibility is somehow in question. The ballots are set aside and evaluated after the election — they could take 10 days or longer to resolve.

But states have interpreted the law differently. Millions of newly registered voters may wrongly assume they can vote at any precinct in their city, town or county. State officials and courts have disagreed on whether provisional ballots are valid when a voter is at the wrong precinct.

The measure also requires first-time voters who registered by mail to provide identification when they show up at the polls, though disputes have arisen over whether to extend that to all first-time registrants and what documents count.

Add to that confusion: absentee ballots.

More than a dozen states missed the recommended deadline to mail ballots overseas, and in Florida's Broward County, thousands of absentee ballots went missing or got delayed.

As for electronic voting, many of the problems — whether accidental or intentional — may not be known until well after Tuesday — if at all. Most of the ATM-style machines, including all of Florida's, lack paper records that could be used to verify the electronic results in a recount.

Florida requires state election administrators to count — and, if necessary, recount — an election within 11 days. But lawsuits could drag out the results for weeks, even forcing the courts to decide the outcome.

Four years ago, the Supreme Court intervened in a recount after 36 days, handing George W. Bush a 537-vote victory in Florida and with it the presidency.

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potemkin

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SageTheRage said:
Synopsis: Besides the pre-voting on the Philly machines, we have: IA, MI, MN reporting disruption by liberal interest group (moveon.org), 1/2 of FL precincts voting on machines that are NOT hack proof, New Orleans had ALL 3 of it's voting machines in a broken status, SC had to switch to paper ballots midstream, Richmond VA has wrong briefly incidents of casting in wrong congressional district, one county in FL had failed memory card that didn't count 13K votes, Cleveland OH has poll judge problems, and add to all this the fact that more than a dozen states missed the deadline for mailing out absentee ballots...and so it goes...


I think we need to move back to paper ballots. No e-slate, not punch cards just a "Circle the Candidate" style (I might even go for a Scantron style "color the circle" style.) Heck, make it two part carbonless so the voter can walk out with a true copy in their own handwriting.

The Electoral College doesn't meet for several weeks so who cares if it takes 1-2 weeks for them to count paper ballots?

Who are we trying to help out by getting the results out as fast as we can? The TV news programs? Impatient Citizens who can't wait a week to know who the President will be?

It takes a week or so for Congress to get into session after the election break so no big deal being concerned wondering if he is a "2 term President" or a "lame duck President".

WTF is the rush?
 

A.T.Hagan

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potemkin said:
I think we need to move back to paper ballots. No e-slate, not punch cards just a "Circle the Candidate" style (I might even go for a Scantron style "color the circle" style.) Heck, make it two part carbonless so the voter can walk out with a true copy in their own handwriting.

The Electoral College doesn't meet for several weeks so who cares if it takes 1-2 weeks for them to count paper ballots?

Who are we trying to help out by getting the results out as fast as we can? The TV news programs? Impatient Citizens who can't wait a week to know who the President will be?

It takes a week or so for Congress to get into session after the election break so no big deal being concerned wondering if he is a "2 term President" or a "lame duck President".

WTF is the rush?

I agree in every particular.

.....Alan.
 
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