WoT Pentagon poised to submit plan for closing Guantánamo Bay

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Pentagon poised to submit plan for closing Guantánamo Bay

By Kristina Wong - 02/22/16 12:13 PM EST
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The Pentagon is poised to submit a plan to Congress for closing the Guantánamo Bay prison camp, a spokesman said Monday.

Navy Capt. Jeff Davis said the administration will meet the Tuesday deadline for submitting a proposal for closing the facility and moving its terrorist detainees.

"We understand that the deadline is tomorrow and it's our intent to meet it," Davis said.

The plan will call for the closure of the detention facility, and lay out several options on how to do so, Davis said.
President Obama is pushing to close the prison and fulfill a long-standing campaign promise before leaving office. There are 91 detainees remaining at the prison.

"The plan is to submit to Congress what our thoughts are on the issue, and what we see is a way ahead necessary to achieve the closure of Guantanamo and to specifically point out the need for legislative relief," Davis said.

Davis said the administration's plan is still to transfer away as many detainees as possible and bring those remaining to the U.S., a step that is opposed by many members of Congress, particularly in the GOP.

Lawmakers for several years have banned any transfers of detainees to the U.S., and placed restrictions on transfers to other countries, arguing that the detainees pose a threat to national security.

Some lawmakers, led by Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John McCain (R-Ariz.), have said they would be open to bringing detainees to the U.S. if the administration submits a plan. They called for the administration to submit one by Feb. 23.

The Pentagon began looking last year for sites in the U.S. where the detainees could be held, including federal facilities in Colorado, South Carolina and Kansas.

“Submitting a plan to close the prison at Guantanamo Bay is yet another sign that President Obama is more focused on his legacy than the will of the American people. Republicans and Democrats are united on this issue: bringing the inmates housed at Guantanamo Bay to the United States is a nonstarter," said Rep. Lynn Jenkins (R-Kan.).

Jenkins's state is home to Fort Leavenworth, which has a jail being considered by the Pentagon.

"Further, should the President move detainees to the United States Disciplinary Barracks at Fort Leavenworth, it could jeopardize the operations of the Command and General Staff College. I am confident that Congress will reject any such plan that jeopardizes our national security," she said in a statement.

Approval from Congress may be the only way the White House can fulfill Obama's wish to close the prison.

Amid speculation over whether the president could bring detainees to the U.S. via executive authority, the military said last month it would not take any actions that would violate the law.
 

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Obama Won’t Send Any More Captured Terrorists To Gitmo

Matt Vespa | Feb 21, 2016
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We all know the president wants to close Guantanamo Bay, the plans for which how that will be achieved are expected this month, but what happens if we continue to nab more Islamic extremists? For now, the interrogations occur on naval ships and the prisoners are transferred to other nations’ legal systems, or they’re brought here to be tried in our court system. That’s including military commissions, according to the Associated Press. Yet, this lack of clarity on what to do if we see an uptick in captured terrorists has legal wonks and national security officials unnerved:

"If you're going to be doing counterterrorism operations that bring in detainees, you have to think through what you are going to do with them," said Phillip Carter, former deputy assistant defense secretary for detainee policy. "If the U.S. is going to conduct large-scale combat operations or large-scale special

Rebecca Ingber, an associate law professor at Boston University who follows the issue, warns that if the U.S. engaged in a full ground war in Syria, "chances are there would need to be detention facilities of some kind in the vicinity."


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The U.S. has deployed about 200 new special operations forces to Iraq, and they are preparing to work with the Iraqis to begin going after IS fighters and commanders, "killing or capturing them wherever we find them, along with other key targets," Defense Secretary Ash Carter said.

Brett McGurk, special presidential envoy for the global coalition to counter IS, told Congress this month that in the final six months of 2015y, 90 senior to midlevel leaders were killed, including the IS leader's key deputies: Haji Mutazz, the top leader in Iraq, and Abu Sayyaf, the IS oil minister and financier.

Sayyaf was killed in a raid to rescue American hostage Kayla Mueller; his wife, known as Umm Sayyaf, was captured.

Her case illustrates how the Obama administration is prosecuting some terrorist suspects in federal courts or military commissions or leaving them in the custody of other nations.


Yet, even the president seemed to know that closing Gitmo would be a huge political hurdle for his administration to overcome with a Republican Congress. He said in his final presser of 2015 that he wants to find ways to work with Congress, but don't be shocked if the closing this facility comes in the form of an executive order.
 

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What to do if US begins capturing more suspected terrorists?

By DEB RIECHMANN
Feb. 22, 2016 12:19 AM EST

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama has refused to send any suspected terrorists captured overseas to the detention center at Guantanamo Bay. But if the U.S. starts seizing more militants in expanded military operations, where will they go, who will hold them and where will they be tried?

Those are questions that worry legal experts, lawmakers and others as U.S. special operations forces deploy in larger numbers to Iraq, Syria and, maybe soon, Libya, with the Islamic State group and affiliated organizations in their sights.

Throughout Obama's presidency, suspects have been killed in drone strikes or raids, or captured and interrogated, sometimes aboard Navy ships. After that, they are either prosecuted in U.S. courts and military commissions or handed over to other nations.

This policy has been enough, experts say — at least for now.

"If you're going to be doing counterterrorism operations that bring in detainees, you have to think through what you are going to do with them," said Phillip Carter, former deputy assistant defense secretary for detainee policy. "If the U.S. is going to conduct large-scale combat operations or large-scale special ops and bring in more detainees, it needs a different solution."

Rebecca Ingber, an associate law professor at Boston University who follows the issue, warns that if the U.S. engaged in a full ground war in Syria, "chances are there would need to be detention facilities of some kind in the vicinity."

Obama has not sent a single suspected terrorist to the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, where many have been detained for years without being charged or tried — something the president says is a "recruitment tool" for militant extremists.

He is to report to Congress this month on how he wants to close Guantanamo and possibly transfer some of the remaining detainees to the United States. That report also is supposed to address the question of future detainees.

Sen. Kelly Ayotte, R-N.H., believes that the absence of a long-term detention and interrogation facility for foreign terrorist suspects represents a "major shortcoming in U.S. national security policy."

Republican candidates who want to succeed Obama are telling voters that they would keep Guantanamo open.

"Law enforcement is about gathering evidence to take someone to trial, and convict them," said Florida Sen. Marco Rubio. "Anti-terrorism is about finding out information to prevent a future attack so the same tactics do not apply. ... But, here's the bigger problem with all this: We're not interrogating anybody right now."

That's not true, said Frazier Thompson, director of the High-Value Detainee Interrogation Group. The tight-lipped team of interrogators from the FBI, Defense Department, the CIA and other intelligence agencies gleans intelligence from top suspected terrorists in the U.S. and overseas.

"We were created to interrogate high-value terrorists and we are interrogating high-value terrorists," Thompson said in an interview with The Associated Press.

Since it was established in 2009, that team has been deployed 34 times, Thompson said, adding that other government agencies conduct independent interrogations as well. "We are designed to deploy on the highest-value terrorist. We are not going out to interrogate everybody," he said.

Thompson would not disclose details of the cases his team has worked or speculate on whether he expects more interrogation requests as the battle against IS heats up.

"If there is a surge, I'm ready to go. If there's not, I'm still ready to go," Thompson said.

The U.S. has deployed about 200 new special operations forces to Iraq, and they are preparing to work with the Iraqis to begin going after IS fighters and commanders, "killing or capturing them wherever we find them, along with other key targets," Defense Secretary Ash Carter said.

Brett McGurk, special presidential envoy for the global coalition to counter IS, told Congress this month that in the final six months of 2015, 90 senior to midlevel leaders were killed, including the IS leader's key deputies: Haji Mutazz, the top leader in Iraq, and Abu Sayyaf, the IS oil minister and financier.

In May, a Delta Force raid in Syria killed IS financier Sayyaf, yielding intelligence about the group's structure and finances. his wife, known as Umm Sayyaf, was captured.

Her case illustrates how the Obama administration is prosecuting some terrorist suspects in federal courts or military commissions or leaving them in the custody of other nations.

Umm Sayyaf, a 25-year-old Iraqi, is being held in Iraq and facing prosecution by authorities there. She also was charged Feb. 9 in U.S. federal court with holding Mueller and contributing to her death in February 2015.

Ali Soufan, a former FBI agent who investigated and supervised international terrorism cases, including the U.S. Embassy bombings in East Africa and the attack on the USS Cole in Yemen the 1990s, said sending suspected terrorists through the American criminal justice system works. He said the courts are more effective than military commissions used at Guantanamo that have been slow in trying detainees who violate the laws of war.

"The current practice of investigating and prosecuting terror suspects has proved incredibly effective," Soufan said, noting that since the Sept. 11 attacks in 2001, only seven people have been tried and convicted under military commissions. "During that same time period, hundreds of terrorists have been convicted in federal courts and almost all are still in jail."

But it's hard to evaluate the effectiveness of the system.

The Justice Department declined to provide the number of foreign terrorist suspects who have been prosecuted or the number handed over to other countries, or their status. Lawmakers, including Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., have asked the Defense Department for the numbers.

Reports on how other countries handle the suspects are classified.

Raha Wala, senior counsel at Human Rights First, also is concerned about detention operations abroad.

"The government needs to be more transparent to the American people — and to the world — about who it is transferring overseas, and what procedures are in place to make sure we are not transferring individuals into situations where human rights will be abused," he said.

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Reach Deb Riechmann on Twitter at https://twitter.com/debriechmann
 

umhurricane

Senior Member
What to do if US begins capturing more suspected terrorists?

Easy answer Take No Prisoners, leave the bodies where they find them.

It's time we start treating them like they treat us.
 

Creedmoor

Tempus Fugit
If Obungplug has enough time, I'm sure giving CA and most of the SW back to Mexico are next on the agenda.
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
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LoupGarou

Ancient Fuzzball
not if O hands it over to Cuba on his upcoming visit:

Obama announces Cuba visit
(March 21-22)
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/17/politics/obama-cuba-visit/index.html

Which is what I have been wondering about. Just thinking of the possible topics that could come up and the money, property, and technology that could be given to them by Obamanation is overwhelming. I could see him giving them everything on the base, lock, stock, and barrel, only to have it go to China under the agreements that General Guo started almost a decade ago (Research "Bejucal").

Then we will have another set of mixed nuts 100 miles away from us.

Loup
 

Tnguy

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Move them to Alcatraz Island with no guards. Let the inmates run the place, and air drop food, water, and meds once a month. Like Hotel California, you can check in but you can't check out!
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
Good. I hope they do close it. Right is right and wrong is wrong no matter what the reasoning or machinations behind it. It is both unconstitutional and and an affront to our way of life to lock people up without forever without a trial to adjudicate whether or not they are guilty of a crime. They are not a 'terrorist' because some military officer says they are or because some CIA operative turned in their name. Most of them probably are terrorists but what is done to them without due process can be done to you or I if we get on the wrong side of policy.

If you have evidence of crimes being committed you detain them, arrest them, charge them and present evidence against them in open court. If these people are terrorists them bring charges and witnesses against them and allow them an opportunity to defend themselves. If they are found guilty in a fair and partial manner then sentence them to life in prison or even execution if their crimes call for it. You don't send people out of the country to torture or detain them because if we did it in the U.S. it would be breaking Federal law. What kind of convoluted logic is that? We can't do it legally here so we'll skirt around it by sending them out of the country and doing it somewhere where it is legal or get others to do our dirty work for us. If you applaud gitmo and other places like that be very careful and think about it. If conditions are right the government can declare anyone a terrorist including you or members of your family and spirit them away overseas never to be heard from again. Matters not if your an American citizen....those protections are now moot. If you deny that your simply ignorant of history or simply ignorant period.
 

mzkitty

I give up.
10m
Upcoming: At 10:30 a.m. ET, U.S. President Obama will deliver a statement on his plans to close Guantanamo Bay Detention Facility. We'll watch for updates.
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