EBOLA Patient admitted to Austin hospital for Ebola-like symptoms

SusieSunshine

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AUSTIN -- Early Saturday morning Seton Medical Center received a transfer patient with Ebola- like symptoms.

The patient recently traveled in West Africa, but not in one of the affected countries.

According to the Texas Department of State Health and Human Services, the patient's lab results and condition, determined that the patient does not have the Ebola virus.

The hospital followed all Centers for Disease Control guidelines when admitting the patent to protect the patent and staff members.

The patient is still in Seton's care to rule out other viral diseases.

Hospital operations have returned to normal.
 
DustMusher

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IIRC the early reports from Liberia was that the patients tested negative to the Ebola tests until they broke with the hemmoragic phase. I do not go all goody goody at early neg results now.

DM
 
Be Well

Be Well

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A person does not have to come from one of the ebola infected countries. The person could have sat next to someone from an ebola infected country - on a plane, a restaurant, or used the toilet after such a person, been coughed on, etc etc. Sheesh....... They really think we're all stupid.
 
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shane

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Ebola was on my mind this morning, had to go into Austin airport to pick up my son flying in from 2 months in Panama.

Was imagining it deserted in near future, in meantime though, after seeing so many people downstairs at baggage area
coming from who knows where, decided to wait outside, away from the throngs.

- Shane
 
Nowski

Nowski

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All of the ongoing news regarding ebola has reminded me of a very appropriate quote
from the 1990 film, The Hunt for Red October.

Admiral Josh Painter: This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.

Regards to all,
Nowski
 
Maryh

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My daughter is going through DFW today with a layover there. I wish she would take me more seriously. It's the old mother/daughter thing.
 
ginnie6

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Maryh said:
My daughter is going through DFW today with a layover there. I wish she would take me more seriously. It's the old mother/daughter thing.
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I know that feeling! I have one dd that is taking me serious finally. The other works at a doctor's office so she has faith in the "system" she works for.......
The one that is taking me seriously agreed last night that it was time to stock up on some food just in case. It's not much but its a step at least.
 
Sacajawea

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Be Well said:
A person does not have to come from one of the ebola infected countries. The person could have sat next to someone from an ebola infected country - on a plane, a restaurant, or used the toilet after such a person, been coughed on, etc etc. Sheesh....... They really think we're all stupid.
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Almost, Be Well...
The thing is, I've been noticing that even the reporters are more on top of how germs are spread, than the officials. I think THEY'RE so stupid, and also scared, to realize that we a) paid attention in school and b) don't believe them... that we're in the "sky is fuschia instead of blue" phase of official communications. They HAVE to be right - they're the experts! It says so right on the door to their corner office!! They can't be WRONG! It's just not possible...

sigh.
 
ItsPam

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I have one of those daughters, too. I sent her a text that Ebola was in this country and she simply sent back a link from Reddit saying all the reasons why people are over-reacting.
 
fairbanksb

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Nowski said:
All of the ongoing news regarding ebola has reminded me of a very appropriate quote
from the 1990 film, The Hunt for Red October.

Admiral Josh Painter: This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.

Regards to all,
Nowski
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I was thinking the same thing. How long will it be before the healthcare industry becomes overwhelmed? With thousands of people flying into the US daily, everyone with a cold, flu will be rushing to emergency rooms. Not to mention flu season starting. Also how long will it be for life insurance companies to put exclusions in for Ebola. Will Obamacare increase rates for coverage? Then there is the enterovirus spreading country wide. What a mess.
 
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etdeb

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And now the news is reporting the one of the doctors treated previously and released has been returned to the hospital sick.
 
desert_fox

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Even if it isn't Ebola, with flu season coming up it is going to be a busy year for medical professionals. People who would have otherwise stayed home and toughed it out will now be rushing in for the sniffles.
 
ShadowMan

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I have ABSOLUTELY no faith in the "system", because there's always a total idiot hidden somewhere within it. Actually there's always SEVERAL IDIOTS within every system. This whole thing is going to get badly out of hand if it hasn't already, especially if people don't start pulling their heads out of their arses - here real quick. And I wish the "system" would quit blowing smoke up our backsides. This crap is or will be airborne and it is highly infectious even without direct physical contact. If it wasn't then we wouldn't have three countries in Africa that can't seem to stop it's rampage and now our idiots in D.C. have allowed this crap to jump an ocean and land here on our shores. Bastards!:sht:
 
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ShadowMan said:
I have ABSOLUTELY not faith in the "system", because there's always a total idiot hidden somewhere within it. Actually there's always SEVERAL IDIOTS within every system. This whole thing is going to get badly out of hand if it hasn't already, especially if people don't start pulling their heads out of their arses - here real quick. And I wish the "system" would quit blowing smoke up our backsides. This crap is or will be airborne and it is highly infectious even without direct physical contact. If it wasn't then we wouldn't have three countries in Africa that can't seem to stop it's rampage and now our idiots in D.C. have allowed this crap to jump an ocean and land here on our shores. Bastards!:sht:
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That would be five countries (plus The Congo) now, Shadowman. We now have confirmed cases in Senegal and Nigeria. (See post #60 here: http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?456122-ARE-MILLIONS-OF-EBOLA-INFECTED-AFRICANS-GOING-TO-OVERWHELM-OUR-SOUTHERN-BORDER/pag ).
 
SquonkHunter

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ShadowMan said:
I have ABSOLUTELY not faith in the "system", because there's always a total idiot hidden somewhere within it. Actually there's always SEVERAL IDIOTS within every system. This whole thing is going to get badly out of hand if it hasn't already, especially if people don't start pulling their heads out of their arses - here real quick. And I wish the "system" would quit blowing smoke up our backsides. This crap is or will be airborne and it is highly infectious even without direct physical contact. If it wasn't then we wouldn't have three countries in Africa that can't seem to stop it's rampage and now our idiots in D.C. have allowed this crap to jump an ocean and land here on our shores. Bastards!:sht:
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One well-placed idiot can ruin the work of a thousand geniuses. :mad:
 
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No way can this be controlled. At least here on TB we understand and know the truth.

The problem with the government is 2 fold.
#1 they are mostly lying morons.
#2 they really can not tell the general population that an expected 1.3 million people world wide will get ebola and at an 80% mortality rate, about 800,000 will die.

The same goes for the new media.
 
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pirate9933 said:
No way can this be controlled. At least here on TB we understand and know the truth.

The problem with the government is 2 fold.
#1 they are mostly lying morons.
#2 they really can not tell the general population that an expected 1.3 million people world wide will get ebola and at an 80% mortality rate, about 800,000 will die.

The same goes for the new media.
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Morning pirate!

The latest stats are 1.4 million infected by Spring. If we can go from 7,000 to 1.4 million in just five months, how many do you think will be infected three months after that? According to my calculator, the number ought to double... and go from there.

A year down the road we're looking at a couple of billion, easily.

Artie.
 
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Bolt

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etdeb said:
And now the news is reporting the one of the doctors treated previously and released has been returned to the hospital sick.
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Yes, Dr. Richard Sacra - the one that was brought to Atlanta and "cured" of Ebola. He's in isolation but they are claiming they don't think it's related to Ebola. We all better hope it isn't because if he turns out to have a relapse it could mean we truly do not have a viable solution and no telling how many people he has now exposed. He has been tested for Ebola but no results from the CDC until Monday.
 
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Texas Writer

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My daughter is an RN at a stand-alone emergency room in Pflugerville. I need to check in with her about precautions and preparedness for ebola.
 
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Bolt said:
Yes, Dr. Richard Sacra - the one that was brought to Atlanta and "cured" of Ebola. He's in isolation but they are claiming they don't think it's related to Ebola. We all better hope it isn't because if he turns out to have a relapse it could mean we truly do not have a viable solution and no telling how many people he has now exposed. He has been tested for Ebola but no results from the CDC until Monday.
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C'mon guys!

i know there are more doctors on board here than I.

We all know that we cannot kill the virus - yet, at any rate, so at best we can stop or inhibit replication, so Dr. Scara, if he is a survivor, will still and always be a host to the virus, and quite probably be a carrier. I'm not a virologist, but I learned my ABC's like the rest of you. He will require spaced injections of whatever they're using to stop the replication - and then what? Are survivors going to be Typhoid Marys? Frankly, I can't see how he wouldn't be a carrier. (Typhoid is bacterial. Ebola is not.)

Any thoughts?

Artie.
Edited to add: Just to put things into perspective. Globally, we have millions of typhoid cases annually, and we lose about a quarter of a million people to it. It's nowhere near as fatal as Ebola, and it isn't viral so it can more easily be localized - and we have antibiotics that CAN KILL typhoid. We have zero defenses against Ebola.
 
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etdeb

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TEXAS WRITER is Pflugerville in South Texas? I work in Pleasanton quite a bit and that sounds like towns in that area, like Floresville.
 
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Tano

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Great. The Austin city music fest is next weekend. Huge crowds. My son and nephew have tickets and are supposed to be going. After I told them he's now thinking of selling them and staying home. I hope so
 
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C'mon guys!

i know there are more doctors on board here than I.

We all know that we cannot kill the virus - yet, at any rate, so at best we can stop or inhibit replication, so Dr. Scara, if he is a survivor, will still and always be a host to the virus, and quite probably be a carrier. I'm not a virologist, but I learned my ABC's like the rest of you. He will require spaced injections of whatever they're using to stop the replication - and then what? Are survivors going to be Typhoid Marys? Frankly, I can't see how he wouldn't be a carrier. (Typhoid is bacterial. Ebola is not.)

Any thoughts?

Artie.
Edited to add: Just to put things into perspective. Globally, we have millions of typhoid cases annually, and we lose about a quarter of a million people to it. It's nowhere near as fatal as Ebola, and it isn't viral so it can more easily be localized - and we have antibiotics that CAN KILL typhoid. We have zero defenses against Ebola.
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So... how many "influenza carriers" do we have floating around? Seriously, this just doesn't happen. While we don't have a medical agent that can kill the virus, this particular virus doesn't have the ability to stick around in the body indefinitely. (and even those that DO, such as Varicella (chicken pox/shingles) don't stay infectious/contagious UNLESS CAUSING ACTIVE SYMPTOMS)

There *have been* relapses- and subsequent deaths- from Ebola in Africa. It's possible- but unlikely- that Dr Sacra is experiencing this. It's more likely that his immune system has been knocked down badly from it's battle with Ebola, and that he will be fair game for any of several opportunistic infections for the next several months. This isn't any different from people getting over a bad case of influenza and then catching every common cold virus for awhile.

People who recover from Ebola have *antibodies* in their bloodstream. They don't have live virus particles. You can't "catch" Ebola from antibodies.

Summerthyme
 
hunybee

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Bolt said:
Yes, Dr. Richard Sacra - the one that was brought to Atlanta and "cured" of Ebola. He's in isolation but they are claiming they don't think it's related to Ebola. We all better hope it isn't because if he turns out to have a relapse it could mean we truly do not have a viable solution and no telling how many people he has now exposed. He has been tested for Ebola but no results from the CDC until Monday.
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so they won't get results back on him til monday, but others get it back in a couple of hours. huh....

and this isn't making sense to me. why would they even be testing him for ebola when he JUST got over it, and a person is still infectious for a good while afterward, yah? recommendations of no sex for (now they are saying) 90 days. doesn't that mean the virus is still in there and although maybe not multiplying, still in there and infectious? so wouldn't it come back positive? experts, clear me up on this part, please.
 
LilRose8

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Maryh said:
My daughter is going through DFW today with a layover there. I wish she would take me more seriously. It's the old mother/daughter thing.
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YUP...My daughter is planning a trip to Austin to see her best friend and is refusing to listen to caution.
 
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summerthyme said:
So... how many "influenza carriers" do we have floating around? Seriously, this just doesn't happen. While we don't have a medical agent that can kill the virus, this particular virus doesn't have the ability to stick around in the body indefinitely. (and even those that DO, such as Varicella (chicken pox/shingles) don't stay infectious/contagious UNLESS CAUSING ACTIVE SYMPTOMS)

Morning Summerthyme!

'The' flu is overcome by the human immune system in surviving patients, and antibodies are made by the body, which provide immunity against said flu in the future - usually. While it can be fatal in people with weak immune systems, the flu isn't hemorrhagic. At any one time, a walk through Wal-Mart during flu season will expose one to a variety of flues, allowing ones body to create antibodies and provide a much better defense than any vaccine that is handed out, as vaccines traditionally only target one flu at a time. (I've never taken a flu shot in my life.)

Same thing with chicken pox and shingles. The body makes sufficient antibodies to hold the virus at bay, but it never really goes away, which is why shingles (in particular) is such a distressing illness, which one has for life - symptom free or not.


There *have been* relapses- and subsequent deaths- from Ebola in Africa. It's possible- but unlikely- that Dr Sacra is experiencing this. It's more likely that his immune system has been knocked down badly from it's battle with Ebola, and that he will be fair game for any of several opportunistic infections for the next several months. This isn't any different from people getting over a bad case of influenza and then catching every common cold virus for awhile.

People who recover from Ebola have *antibodies* in their bloodstream. They don't have live virus particles. You can't "catch" Ebola from antibodies.

Summerthyme
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If, and only if the survivor has developed enough antibodies to combat the virus in his system (and we can't be sure of that for circa 60 days), can he be said to be 'free' of the virus, which isn't technically correct. It's much the same as the flu, chicken pox, and shingles viruses, one only holds the virus at bay, even if otherwise healthy.

Artie.
 
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Bolt

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hunybee said:
so they won't get results back on him til monday, but others get it back in a couple of hours. huh....

and this isn't making sense to me. why would they even be testing him for ebola when he JUST got over it, and a person is still infectious for a good while afterward, yah? recommendations of no sex for (now they are saying) 90 days. doesn't that mean the virus is still in there and although maybe not multiplying, still in there and infectious? so wouldn't it come back positive? experts, clear me up on this part, please.
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Amazing, isn't it? Atlanta pronounced him cured and now immune due to antibodies (from this strain, but they didn't go into detail about that). While I hate to see him back in the hospital, I truly hope it is only due to a comorbidity perhaps associated with his previous bout with Ebola, perhaps it's unrelated. We'll have to wait and see. I think they tested again just based on his current chief complaint - cough and fever.
If he does indeed test positive for Ebola again, and I question the validity of the test because he will have the virus present due to the antibodies, I expect some sort of spin on it like he came down with another strain, blah, blah, blah BS in order to try to quell the current wave of fear that is rapidly spreading. I honestly think the gov't is more concerned about the reaction to fear than they are in solving the Ebola crisis. Can you imagine what would happen if people across the nation refused to send their kids to school, refused to go to work (no income taxes), refused to go out and shop (no sales tax), no air travel, etc.? It would bring the government/economy to a screeching halt and they could not print enough money to keep things going without plummeting the dollar even further.
 
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shane

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ShadowMan said:
I have ABSOLUTELY not faith in the "system", because there's always a total idiot hidden somewhere within it. Actually there's always SEVERAL IDIOTS within every system.
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From http://www.barnhardt.biz/...

From this thread over at Lucianne.com. Emphases mine.
Reply 29 – Posted by: gone2pot, 10/3/2014 5:50:33 PM (No. 10030644)

It´s us. We are the reason for the panic. We vote for it, educate our kids with it, watch it on TV, “like” and “follow” it, and listen to its music. Here´s anecdotal evidence; my wife´s hospital is caddy corner to Dallas Presby, home of the ebola incident. The docs at her hospital left Presby to start a new, less screwed up system. So, they know Presby and keep in contact with former colleagues. Well, according to the old Presby docs, the thirty-something Dallas Presby nurse´s answer to the CDC was, “He said he was from Liberia, not Africa.” So, next time you want to believe the tin foil hat conspiracy theory answer, remember instead that we ARE that stupid and our stupidity is why we create the cases for panic.

- Shane
 
Doomer Doug

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The Ebola relapse case is concerning. HIV is the virus, and AIDS is the disease. Many of the people who die from AIDS never get the disease. They are dealing with a damaged immune system which allows secondary infections to take hold and kill them.

The powers that be will deny this man died from Ebola. The fact he recovered from Ebola means his body was severely stressed to put it mildly. He will likely die from something else that took advantage of his weakened state. The powers that be will then list his death as from that, and not Ebola. The fact it was Ebola which weakened him will be denied, and not listed as a cause of death.

The official totals for AIDS deaths don't count all the people who died from secondary infections. We will no doubt see the same from all the recovered Ebola patients.
 
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ItsPam said:
I have one of those daughters, too. I sent her a text that Ebola was in this country and she simply sent back a link from Reddit saying all the reasons why people are over-reacting.
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Another here....mine said she called her friend at the cdc and he laughed. <SIGH>
 
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HIV is the virus, and AIDS is the disease. Many of the people who die from AIDS never get the disease. They are dealing with a damaged immune system which allows secondary infections to take hold and kill them.
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Ummm... huh? AIDS *stands for* "acquired human immunodeficiency syndrome"... by definition, a "damaged immune system". People can test positive for the HIV virus and NOT have AIDS- but they aren't going to die from a damaged immune system at that stage.

Ebola is a very different animal, but any serious disease process can stress the immune system to the point that people in recovery (and it doesn't have to be a "disease", either- witness the people who develop MRSA, or pneumonia, or C.difficile after major surgery) need to be very careful about becoming exposed to pathogens until their bodies have a chance to rebuild strength and immune efficiency.

I don't know what the exact criteria is, but I suspect anyone who dies within a few weeks of "recovery" from Ebola would have Ebola as at least a secondary cause of death on the death certificate.

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PyratePrincess

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Morning pirate!

The latest stats are 1.4 million infected by Spring. If we can go from 7,000 to 1.4 million in just five months, how many do you think will be infected three months after that? According to my calculator, the number ought to double... and go from there.

A year down the road we're looking at a couple of billion, easily.

Artie.
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My math came up with 3.5 Billion. But that was also early on. Here's a nudge...what's the population of the US.....:siren:
 
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