Obama camp: Lawsuits by citizens are 'garbage'

SassyinAZ

Inactive
Indeed he is, Flipper, well I'd say an anti-Constitutional lawyer. He certainly does seem to know how to get around them, so far (I bet he already has his defense prepared), and I agree, he could easily quelch it all by just producing the documentation.

My guess is he intends to let it into go full-scale legal challenge if he can't continue to ignore the mandate and requests before taking office -- the citizens would explode on his behalf. Alternatively, should Congress decide (like the Resolution for McCain, not needed but with the clever insertion of a phrase for other candidates that were assumed to be eligible), the longer he waits, the more Democrats in the majority.

Those are his quotes by the way about the Constitution being "flawed" "blind spot of the Founders" and "charter of negative liberties."

I believe the electoral college does have standing, last I read 24 of them were pursuing challenges to his eligibility, I haven't read though if they followed through, and I'm hoping the other electors will take the purpose of their job seriously, even in those states that have "faithless voter" statues.

Here's an applicable snip:

The Electoral College was created for two reasons. The first purpose was to create a buffer between population and the selection of a President. The second as part of the structure of the government that gave extra power to the smaller states.

The first reason that the founders created the Electoral College is hard to understand today. The founding fathers were afraid of direct election to the Presidency. They feared a tyrant could manipulate public opinion and come to power. Hamilton wrote in the Federalist Papers:

It was equally desirable, that the immediate election should be made by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice. A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated investigations. It was also peculiarly desirable to afford as little opportunity as possible to tumult and disorder. This evil was not least to be dreaded in the election of a magistrate, who was to have so important an agency in the administration of the government as the President of the United States. But the precautions which have been so happily concerted in the system under consideration, promise an effectual security against this mischief.

Hamilton and the other founders believed that the electors would be able to insure that only a qualified person becomes President. They believed that with the Electoral College no one would be able to manipulate the citizenry. It would act as check on an electorate that might be duped. Hamilton and the other founders did not trust the population to make the right choice. The founders also believed that the Electoral College had the advantage of being a group that met only once and thus could not be manipulated over time by foreign governments or others.

If ever there was election where the citizens (no matter how they voted) were duped, this one is it!
 

Laurane

Canadian Loonie
This gentleman is trying to prove the questions are not "garbage"

From Debbie Schlussel's site - talking about the agent who is investigating Obama's SS form
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UPDATE #2, 11/14/08: Retired Federal Agent Source Reveals Himself:

The recently retired federal agent has requested that I disclose his identity so that there is no question as to the source of the information.
His name is Stephen Coffman. He retired last year from the position of the Resident Agent in Charge of Immigration and Customs Enforcement's (ICE) Galveston, Texas office. He has over 32 years of government service and has held a Secret or higher security clearance for the majority of those years.

He filed the FOIA with Selective Service and has the original letter and the attachments. He first notified the Selective Service of his findings and they ignored the questions.

He can be reached via email at retirediceagent@sbcglobal.net.
 

Karnie

Veteran Member
From Debbie Schlussel's site - talking about the agent who is investigating Obama's SS form
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UPDATE #2, 11/14/08: Retired Federal Agent Source Reveals Himself:

The recently retired federal agent has requested that I disclose his identity so that there is no question as to the source of the information.
His name is Stephen Coffman. He retired last year from the position of the Resident Agent in Charge of Immigration and Customs Enforcement's (ICE) Galveston, Texas office. He has over 32 years of government service and has held a Secret or higher security clearance for the majority of those years.

He filed the FOIA with Selective Service and has the original letter and the attachments. He first notified the Selective Service of his findings and they ignored the questions.

He can be reached via email at retirediceagent@sbcglobal.net.

Regardless of all those years of alleged experience, he can't POSSIBLY know more about any of the issues than FL. I'm sure he'll be calling her shortly to check in. :lkick:
 
Sigh....

One last time, for Dex....

Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. His birth cert was on display at his campaign headquarters.

Newspaper archives also show his birth announcement for that week.

Even if he wasn't born in the States, (which, again, he was), his mother was an American citizen, thus granting citizenship to her son.

Oh contrair mon ami..

His vault birth certificate which has the doctor's signature, place of birth (hospital) is still held by the Hawaii Governer. Obambam has posted a certificate of 'live birth' on his web site - the kind of certificate which is given to a mother and baby; when ssaid baby was borned at home via a mid wife.

The only birth certificate OBambam has is the one from Kenya + his grand mother's statement that she was in the room when he was born...

TFD

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BornFree

Came This Far
Uh, no she wasn't. In order to pass it on to her son, she would have had to been in the states for at least 5 years after age 16, according to law. She wasnt. She went to Kenya while pregnant with Obama at the age of 18. Therefore, if she did deliver him in Kenya, he is NOT a citizen.

Further, he had to renouce his American citizenship to become an Indonesian citizen under his father. His school records list his birthplace as Kenya, his religion as Muslim and his citizenship as Indonesian. He also was given International scholarships as an Indonesian citizen, in which he would not have qualified if he weren't a citizen.

There is no documentation on file of him ever requesting his US citizenship back again, as is required by law.
You Know I kept reading that in different places and I believed it. But that is not what the law says. See for yourself. The numbers are 5 and 2. Not 10 and 5. As stated in part G.

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001401----000-.html
 

Y2kO

Inactive
http://theneinblog.blogspot.com/2008/10/michelle-obama-barack-was-adopted-by.html

Michelle Obama: Barack was Adopted by Foreigner
21 October 2008: As published in New Media Journal:

African Press International
Accusing API of colluding with American internet bloggers in an effort to bring down her husband, Mrs. Obama said she decided to call API because of what she termed, API’s help to spread rumors created by American bloggers and other racist media outlets in their efforts to damage a black man’s name, saying she hopes African Media was mature enough to be in the front to give unwavering support to her husband, a man Africans should identify themselves with.

When API told her that our online news media was only relaying what the American Bloggers and other media outlets had discovered through their investigations, Mrs. Obama was angered and she came out loud with the following: “African press International is supposed to support Africans and African-American view,” and she went to state that, “it is strange that API has chosen to support the racists against my husband. There is no shame in being adopted by a step father. All dirt has been thrown onto my husband’s face and yet he loves this country. My husband and I know that there is no law that will stop him from becoming the president, just because some American white racists are bringing up the issue of my husband’s adoption by His step father. The important thing here is where my husband’s heart is at the moment. I can tell the American people that My husband loves this country and his adoption never changed his love for this country. He was born in Hawaii, yes, and that gives him all the right to be an American citizen even though he was adopted by a foreigner; says Michelle Obama on telephone to API.” Read more...


New Media Journal Editor's Note: This should confirm the issues presented in Phillip Berg's lawsuit against Barack Obama's qualifications for the presidency. It is illegal for a naturally born citizen of the US to hold dual citizenship. Therefore, Barack Obama, upon being adopted by his Indonesian step-father, would have relinquished his US citizenship, naturally born or not. Obama would have had to make a declaration upon turning 18 years of age reclaiming his citizenship, which he did not do.


NEIN Blog Note: This assumes that Barack Hussein Obama II was born in Honolulu, Hawaii and was a US citizen when he was apparently adopted by his step-father Lolo Soetoro. Seen above is the AP image of Barack's school registration for the Fransiskus Assisi school in Jakarta, Indonesia. Lolo Soetoro and Barack's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham had changed Barack's born name to "Barry Soetoro." They listed listed his bithplace as Honolulu, Hawaii and stated that he was a Muslim Indonesian citizen. This strongly implies that Barack, or Barry as he was known then, was adopted by his step-father and became a citizen of Indonesia through that adoption according to an Indonesian legal document known as the Kartu Keluarga (Family Identity Card). No doubt there are many more legal documents pertaining to Obama's past both in Indonesia and the State of Hawaii. Where are those documents? Why have they not been made public by the Obama campaign?
 

Y2kO

Inactive
http://obamawaffles.typepad.com/oba...s-files-lawsuit-in-obama-birth-gate-case.html

Allen Keyes Files Lawsuit in Obama Birth-gate Case
November 14, 2008

You gotta love this . . . while Michelle Obama is dreaming of new patterns for the White House china collection and Barack Obama is busy redesigning the
presidential seal, Ambassador Dr. Alan Keyes—who
is black and therefore cannot be dismissed as having a racist agenda—petitioned the Superior Court of California yesterday to require proof of Obama's birth certificate.

In his petition, Dr. Keyes points out that someone wanting to get a California drivers license must provide more proof of citizenship than Sen. Barack Obama has provided in his bid to be the next U.S. President:
Heretofore, only a signed statement from the candidate attesting to his or her meeting those qualifications was requested and received by SOS [Secretary of State], with no verification demanded. This practice represents a much lower standard than that demanded of one when requesting a California driver’s license.

Why should this matter? Keyes explains:
62. Article II, Section I of the United States Constitution, states, in pertinent part, as follows:

"No Person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;"

63. Senator Barack H. Obama is a candidate for the Office of the President of the United States. However, to assume such office, Senator Obama must meet the qualifications specified for the Office of the President of the United States, which includes that he must be a "natural born" citizen. Senator Obama has failed to demonstrate that he is a "natural born" citizen.

70. Should Senator Obama be discovered, after he takes office, to be ineligible for the Office of President of the United States of America and, thereby, his election declared void, Petitioners, as well as other Americans, will suffer irreparable harm in that an usurper will be sitting as the President of the United States, and none of the treaties, laws, or executive orders signed by him will be valid or legal.


http://www.soundinvestments.us/files/final_writ_keyes_v_bowen.pdf
 

Wise Owl

Deceased
Now Alan Keyes is petitioning the court for proof of the birth....

Just gets more interesting as the days go on...

:popcorn1:

I think they will try to block this also but sooner or later, someone is going to word the lawsuit correctly enough to make the courts produce the documents. Me thinks this whole thing stinks but those filing for the paperwork are not garbage. Those who are trying to block it, are the garbage in this instance.....
 

BornFree

Came This Far
New Media Journal Editor's Note: This should confirm the issues presented in Phillip Berg's lawsuit against Barack Obama's qualifications for the presidency. It is illegal for a naturally born citizen of the US to hold dual citizenship. Therefore, Barack Obama, upon being adopted by his Indonesian step-father, would have relinquished his US citizenship, naturally born or not. Obama would have had to make a declaration upon turning 18 years of age reclaiming his citizenship, which he did not do.

Here again. I think Obama is going to be an omen to this country, but I am not sure if the above statement is correct. Lets not look like idiots by not verifying the law. From this:

"Dual citizenship

Based on the U.S. Department of State regulation on dual citizenship (7 FAM 1162), the Supreme Court of the United States has stated that dual citizenship is a “status long recognized in the law” and that “a person may have and exercise rights of nationality in two countries and be subject to the responsibilities of both. The mere fact he asserts the rights of one citizenship does not without more mean that he renounces the other,” (Kawakita v. U.S., 343 U.S. 717) (1952). In Schneider v. Rusk 377 U.S. 163 (1964), the US Supreme Court ruled that a naturalized U.S. citizen has the right to return to his native country and to resume his former citizenship, and also to remain a U.S. citizen even if he never returns to the United States."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_nationality_law
 

Oilpatch Hand

3-Bomb General, TB2K Army
Regardless of all those years of alleged experience, he can't POSSIBLY know more about any of the issues than FL. I'm sure he'll be calling her shortly to check in. :lkick:

Froooooteeeee has ALL the answers. :lol:

Except she doesn't know, apparently, that there is considerable question whether a dual citizen at birth, such as Buraq Hussein Mohammed Obama, can actually be a "natural born citizen" as set forth in Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution.

There is no question, assuming that Buraq Hussein Mohammed Obama was is fact born in Hawaii (which is debatable) that he was a dual citizen at birth. If he was born in Hawaii, he was an American citizen. However, assuming he was, as he says, the son of Buraq Hussein Obama the Elder, he acquired British citizenship by virtue of being the offspring of a citizen of the British Crown Colony of Kenya, as that region was known in 1961.

When Kenya achieved its independence from the United Kingdom in 1963, Buraq Hussein Mohammed Obama became a citizen of the Republic of Kenya by operation of law. Thus, he had been a citizen of three different nations all by the age of two. While Obama himself admits to having held Kenyan citizenship until age 21, he did not reaffirm it upon reaching the age of majority, causing it to lapse. He is no longer a Kenyan citizen.

However, it appears that circa 1967 Barack Hussein Mohammed Obama was adopted by his stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, and moved with his family to Indonesia. In this process, Obama's name was changed to Barry Soetoro (which is probably the name that appears on the actual birth certificate he is taking such great pains to conceal.) The young adopted Soetoro was registered in Indonesian schools, where school records indicated him to be an Indonesian citizen of the Muslim faith. Under Indonesian law, of course, a child adopted by an Indonesian citizen himself acquires Indonesian citizenship. Thus, by the age of seven, the child formerly known as Buraq Hussein Mohammed Obama had already been a citizen of at least four nations.

While Indonesian citizenship can be forfeited voluntarily by a citizen, it is generally not revoked by the Indonesian government simply because an Indonesian citizen chooses to live in another nation. There is absolutely no evidence that Barry Soetoro, the individual formerly known as Buraq Hussein Mohammed Obama, ever foreswore his Indonesian citizenship. It appears that he is still a citizen of both Indonesia and the U.S., assuming, once again, that he was actually born in Hawaii.

On the other hand, if Soetoro wasn't born in Hawaii, the answer is far simpler...he is merely another illegal alien, just like his aunt in Boston. There wouldn't be enough immigration pixie dust in the federal government to make this guy an American citizen if he was born elsewhere, simply because of his mother's age at the time of his birth.

At any rate, this guy just doesn't qualify as a "natural born citizen", i.e., someone with absolutely no division of national loyalties. If anything, this Soetoro guy would have a hard time knowing which nation he was supposed to represent...Kenya, Indonesia, the U.K., or the U.S.

Joe Biden, although he is a sniveling drunk, doesn't face these immigration difficulties, and could qualify to take the oath of office if necessary. Not that that would necessarily be a good thing...
 

Y2kO

Inactive
It is illegal for a naturally born citizen of the US to hold dual citizenship.

I don't think they worded the sentence correctly to convey the relevant meaning. Depending on the relationship of the United States with other countries, a person becoming a citizen of another country may automatically forfeit their U.S. citizenship. Apparently this is the case with Indonesia.

However, citizens of Israel can be U.S. citizens ( or not) and still run our government.
 

Y2kO

Inactive
However, it appears that circa 1967 Barack Hussein Mohammed Obama was adopted by his stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, and moved with his family to Indonesia. In this process, Obama's name was changed to Barry Soetoro (which is probably the name that appears on the actual birth certificate he is taking such great pains to conceal.)

And his name is still Barry Soetoro, since he has not legally changed it to anything else.

Thus, he appeared on the US ballot under an illegal name.
 

Satanta

Stone Cold Crazy
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in conclusion, after reading all the responses to this thread,

i have surmised that - barring proof positive to the contrary - Barak Obama is an IMPOSTER, and likely an illegal immigrant, posing as a genuine US citizen, and DEPRIVING the American People of a leader who is actually naturally born here in America.

in addition, it is clear that his allegiance is to a marxist philosophy that is foreign from and in hostility to the American Constitution.

in other words, 52% of the American people have allegedly been persuaded to vote for a man who is NOT an American and is in fact an ENEMY of the CONSTITUTION.

I doubt 'persuaded' is the right term. Even 'lack of knowledge' does not fit given the obtuse and insidious answers or simply not acknowleging the questions being asked about the Ga'oulded One here on TB by the supporters.

They are simply traitors and subversives to this nation.
 

Martin

Deceased
Presidential candidate Alan Keyes, AIP leaders sue in CA court to obtain Obama citizenship proof
By Online Friday, November 14, 2008


Presidential candidate Alan Keyes, vice-presidential candidate Wiley S. Drake, and the Chairman of the American Independent Party, Markham Robinson, have filed suit in California Superior Court in Sacramento seeking to bar Secretary of State Debra Bowen from certifying to Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger the names of Electors, and from transmitting to each presidential Elector a Certificate of Election, until documentary proof is produced and verified showing that Senator Obama is a “natural born” citizen of the United States, and does not hold citizenship of Indonesia, Kenya or Great Britain.

In addition, they have asked that the court issue a peremptory writ barring Senator Obama’s California Electors from signing the Certificate of Vote until such documentary proof is produced and verified.

In response to questions about why the suit was being filed, Ambassador Keyes commented, “I and others are concerned that this issue be properly investigated and decided before Senator Obama takes office. Otherwise there will be a serious doubt as to the legitimacy of his tenure. This doubt would also affect the respect people have for the Constitution as the supreme law of the land. I hope the issue can be quickly clarified so that the new President can take office under no shadow of doubt. This will be good for him and for the nation.”

Former Reagan administration official Ambassador Alan Keyes and Wiley S. Drake were the 2008 presidential and vice-presidential nominees of the American Independent Party, which is the California affiliate of the new national America’s Independent Party.

Mission Viejo, California attorney Dr. Orly Taitz and United Justice Foundation Executive Director Gary Kreep are representing the plaintiffs in this case.

Copies of the court filing, along with further information concerning developments in this case, will be made available at http://www.AIPNEWS.com, or can be obtained by contacting AIP national chairman Tom Hoefling.

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/6293
 

Wardogs

Deceased
More on the Keyes suit...

Dr. Alan Keyes Sues Barack Obama Over Eligibility
http://www.soundinvestments.us/files/final_writ_keyes_v_bowen.pdf
Ambassador Dr. Alan Keyes; Dr. Wiley S. Drake, Sr.; and Markham Robinson are suing Barack Obama over his eligibility to be president.
Sound Investiments has a copy of the petition (pdf).

Legal Basis
62. Article II, Section I of the United States Constitution, states, in pertinent part, as follows:

"No Person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;"

63. Senator Barack H. Obama is a candidate for the Office of the President of the United States. However, to assume such office, Senator Obama must meet the qualifications specified for the Office of the President of the United States, which includes that he must be a "natural born" citizen. Senator Obama has failed to demonstrate that he is a "natural born" citizen. There are other legal challenges before various state and federal courts regarding aspects of lost or dual citizenship concerning Senator Obama. Those challenges, in and of themselves, demonstrate Petitioners’ argument that reasonable doubt exists as to the eligibility of the Democratic Party’s nominee for President.

64. SOS is responsible for ensuring the validity of the State election process by, among other things, verifying the qualifications of the voters, approving the ballots and the candidates, supervising the counting of the ballots, and certifying the results. This certification of the vote by SOS, based upon which Electors received the highest number of votes in the state, is the method provided for in California law for ascertaining which Electors are appointed to vote for president (California Elections Code §15505, 3 U.S.C. § 6). On December 1, or as soon as soon as the election results have been received from all counties in the state, SOS shall certify the names of the ascertained Electors to the Governor, and then transmit to each presidential Elector a certificate of election (California Elections Code § 15505). The Governor then issues and seals a Certificate of Ascertainment which is delivered to the Electors by December 15 (3 U.S.C. § 6), who then meet to sign the Certificate of Vote (Federal Election Code § 192.006). The office of SOS is intended to be non-biased and to provide the critical sense of fairness and impartiality necessary for the people to have faith in the fundamental underpinnings of the democratic basis for our elections.
 

Dare7

Senior Member
You Know I kept reading that in different places and I believed it. But that is not what the law says. See for yourself. The numbers are 5 and 2. Not 10 and 5. As stated in part G.

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001401----000-.html
Check your dates. You linked to the law as it stands NOW. It was 10 and 5 at the time of Obama's birth . From the website you linked - it was changed:

1986—Subsec. (g). Pub. L. 99–653 substituted “five years, at least two” for “ten years, at least five”.

Effective Date of 1986 Amendment
Section 23(d) of Pub. L. 99–653, as added by Pub. L. 100–525, § 8(r), Oct. 24, 1988, 102 Stat. 2619, provided that: “The amendment made by section 12 [amending this section] shall apply to persons born on or after November 14, 1986.”
 

breezyhill

Veteran Member
FL.

Even IF he was born in Hawaii -

he was ADOPTED by an Indonesian, he became an Indonesian citizen as a result of the adoption -

NO LONGER A US CITIZEN after that adoption. ADOPTIONS DO PERMANENTLY CHANGE THINGS,
you cannot reverse adoptions.

You CAN change your name legally, you can change your citizenship by doing it legally just like any other immigrant, but you cannot be natural born under Obama's set of birht circumstances, let alone his adoption circumstances.

EVEN his school records from Indonesia show him as an Indonesian citizen . . what part of all this is SO HARD TO GET!!!!

NP

the bolded, red parts, of noplugs post is the icing on the cake for obama not being qualified for POTUS. the birth certificate issue, while valid, stands second to this fact.

breezyhill
 

breezyhill

Veteran Member
Sigh....

One last time, for Dex....

Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. His birth cert was on display at his campaign headquarters.

Newspaper archives also show his birth announcement for that week.

Even if he wasn't born in the States, (which, again, he was), his mother was an American citizen, thus granting citizenship to her son.

taking the inverse correlation of FL's above statement, then all of those "anchor babies" these illegal immigrants are having [deemed to be natural born americans] are in actuality all citizens of mexico, et al.?

breezyhill
 
I, for one, would like to know why this thread was moved. I believe it is very relevant, and have to wonder if it was moved because the mover was an Obama supporter.
 

breezyhill

Veteran Member
Froooooteeeee has ALL the answers. :lol:

Except she doesn't know, apparently, that there is considerable question whether a dual citizen at birth, such as Buraq Hussein Mohammed Obama, can actually be a "natural born citizen" as set forth in Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution.

There is no question, assuming that Buraq Hussein Mohammed Obama was is fact born in Hawaii (which is debatable) that he was a dual citizen at birth. If he was born in Hawaii, he was an American citizen. However, assuming he was, as he says, the son of Buraq Hussein Obama the Elder, he acquired British citizenship by virtue of being the offspring of a citizen of the British Crown Colony of Kenya, as that region was known in 1961.

When Kenya achieved its independence from the United Kingdom in 1963, Buraq Hussein Mohammed Obama became a citizen of the Republic of Kenya by operation of law. Thus, he had been a citizen of three different nations all by the age of two. While Obama himself admits to having held Kenyan citizenship until age 21, he did not reaffirm it upon reaching the age of majority, causing it to lapse. He is no longer a Kenyan citizen.

However, it appears that circa 1967 Barack Hussein Mohammed Obama was adopted by his stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, and moved with his family to Indonesia. In this process, Obama's name was changed to Barry Soetoro (which is probably the name that appears on the actual birth certificate he is taking such great pains to conceal.) The young adopted Soetoro was registered in Indonesian schools, where school records indicated him to be an Indonesian citizen of the Muslim faith. Under Indonesian law, of course, a child adopted by an Indonesian citizen himself acquires Indonesian citizenship. Thus, by the age of seven, the child formerly known as Buraq Hussein Mohammed Obama had already been a citizen of at least four nations.

While Indonesian citizenship can be forfeited voluntarily by a citizen, it is generally not revoked by the Indonesian government simply because an Indonesian citizen chooses to live in another nation. There is absolutely no evidence that Barry Soetoro, the individual formerly known as Buraq Hussein Mohammed Obama, ever foreswore his Indonesian citizenship. It appears that he is still a citizen of both Indonesia and the U.S., assuming, once again, that he was actually born in Hawaii.

On the other hand, if Soetoro wasn't born in Hawaii, the answer is far simpler...he is merely another illegal alien, just like his aunt in Boston. There wouldn't be enough immigration pixie dust in the federal government to make this guy an American citizen if he was born elsewhere, simply because of his mother's age at the time of his birth.

At any rate, this guy just doesn't qualify as a "natural born citizen", i.e., someone with absolutely no division of national loyalties. If anything, this Soetoro guy would have a hard time knowing which nation he was supposed to represent...Kenya, Indonesia, the U.K., or the U.S.

Joe Biden, although he is a sniveling drunk, doesn't face these immigration difficulties, and could qualify to take the oath of office if necessary. Not that that would necessarily be a good thing...

I'd rather have a "sniveling drunk" AMERICAN as POTUS, than pig-in-a-poke obamination.

breezyhill
 

Martin

Deceased
CHANGING OF THE GUARD
'Constitutional crisis' looming over Obama's birth location
Alan Keyes lawsuit warns America may see 'usurper' in Oval Office


Posted: November 14, 2008
8:40 pm Eastern


By Bob Unruh
© 2008 WorldNetDaily



Alan Keyes
The California secretary of state should refuse to allow the state's 55 Electoral College votes to be cast in the 2008 presidential election until President-elect Barack Obama verifies his eligibility to hold the office, alleges a California court petition filed on behalf of former presidential candidate Alan Keyes and others.

The legal action today is just the latest is a series of challenges, some of which have gone as high as the U.S. Supreme Court, over the issue of Obama's status as a "natural-born citizen," a requirement set by the U.S. Constitution.

WND senior reporter Jerome Corsi even traveled to Kenya and Hawaii prior to the election to investigate issues surrounding Obama's birth. But his research and discoveries only raised more questions.

The biggest question is why Obama, if a Hawaii birth certificate exists, simply hasn't ordered it made available to settle the rumors.





The governor's office in Hawaii said there is a valid certificate but rejected requests for access and left ambiguous its origin: Does the certificate on file with the Department of Health indicate a Hawaii birth or was it generated after the Obama family registered a Kenyan birth in Hawaii?

Obama's half-sister, Maya Soetoro, has named two different Hawaii hospitals where Obama could have been born, while a video posted on YouTube features Obama's Kenyan grandmother Sarah claiming to have witnessed Obama's birth in Kenya.

The California action was filed by Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation on behalf of Alan Keyes, the presidential candidate of the American Independent Party, along with Wiley S. Drake and Markham Robinson, both California electors.

"Should Senator Obama be discovered, after he takes office, to be ineligible for the Office of President of the United States of America and, thereby, his election declared void, Petitioners, as well as other Americans, will suffer irreparable harm in that (a) usurper will be sitting as the President of the United States, and none of the treaties, laws, or executive orders signed by him will be valid or legal," the action challenges.


The petition is a request for the Superior Court of California in Sacramento County to issue a peremptory writ barring Secretary of State Debra Bowen "from both certifying to the governor the names of the California Electors, and from transmitting to each presidential Elector a Certificate of Election, until such documentary proof is produced and verified showing that Senator Obama is a 'natural born' citizen of the United States and does not hold citizenship of Indonesia, Kenya or Great Britain."

It continues with a request for a writ barring California's electors from signing the Certificate of Vote until documentary proof is produced.

An Obama spokesperson interviewed by WND described such lawsuits as "garbage."

The popular vote Nov. 4 favored Obama over Sen. John McCain by several percentage points. But because of the distribution of the votes, Obama is projected to take the Electoral College vote, when it is held in December, by a 2-to-1 margin.

Named as defendants in the action are Bowen, Obama, vice president elect Joe Biden and the long list of California party electors.

Citing the constitutional requirement that a president be a "natural born" citizen, the case discusses other state and federal court cases regarding "aspects of lost or dual citizenship concerning Senator Obama. Those challenges, in and of themselves, demonstrate Petitioners' argument that reasonable doubt exists as to the eligibility of the Democratic Party’s nominee for President," the case said.

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"There is a reasonable and common expectation by the voters that to qualify for the ballot, the individuals running for office must meet minimum qualifications as outlined in the federal and state Constitutions and statutes, and that compliance with those minimum qualifications has been confirmed by the officials overseeing the election process," the complaint said, when in fact the only documentation currently required is a signed statement from the candidate attesting to those qualifications.

"Since [the Secretary of State] has, as its core, the mission of certifying and establishing the validity of the election process, this writ seeks a Court Order barring SOS from certifying the California Electors until documentary proof that Senator Obama is a 'natural born' citizen of the United States of America is received by her," the document said.

"This proof could include items such as his original birth certificate, showing the name of the hospital and the name and the signature of the doctor, all of his passports with immigration stamps, and verification from the governments where the candidate has resided, verifying that he did not, and does not, hold citizenship of these countries, and any other documents that certify an individual’s citizenship and/or qualification for office.

"To this date, in this regard, SOS has not carried out that fundamental duty."

The case said a simple attestation from the candidate or his party isn't sufficient.

"Historically, California Secretaries of State have exercised their due diligence by reviewing necessary background documents, verifying that the candidates that were submitted by the respective political parties as eligible for the ballot were indeed eligible. In 1968, the Peace and Freedom Party submitted the name of Eldridge Cleaver as a qualified candidate for President of the United States. The then SOS, Mr. Frank Jordan, found that, according to Mr. Cleaver's birth certificate, he was only 34 years old, one year shy of the 35 years of age needed to be on the ballot as a candidate for President. Using his administrative powers, Mr. Jordan removed Mr. Cleaver from the ballot. Mr. Cleaver unsuccessfully challenged this decision to the Supreme Court of the State of California, and, later, to the Supreme Court of the United States."

Similarly, in 1984, the Peace and Freedom Party candidate Larry Holmes was removed from the ballot.

The "certificate of live birth" posted by the Obama campaign cannot be viewed as authoritative, the case alleges.

"Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178 allows registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the child’s birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence," the document said. "The only way to know where Senator Obama was actually born is to view Senator Obama's original birth certificate from 1961 that shows the name of the hospital and the name and signature of the doctor that delivered him."

The case also raises the circumstances of Obama's time during his youth in Indonesia, where he was listed as having Indonesian citizenship. Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship, raising the possibility of Obama's mother having given up his U.S. citizenship.

Any subsequent U.S. citizenship then, the case claims, would be "naturalized," not "natural-born."

"Based on all of the above, it is the duty of the SOS to obtain proper documentation of Senator Obama's citizenship to confirm his eligibility for the office or the President of the United States," the case said.

Just this week, WND has reported on more than half a dozen other legal challenges have been filed in federal and state courts demanding Obama's decertification from ballots or seeking to halt elector meetings, claiming he has failed to prove his U.S. citizenship status.

Among the states where cases are being tracked are Ohio, Connecticut, Washington, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Georgia and Hawaii, and there were reports of other cases being developed in Utah, Wyoming, Florida, New York, North Carolina, Texas, California and Virginia.



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stown

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I can't understand why, if everything was on the up and up with Obama's status as a natural born citizen, he wouldn't do WHATEVER was necessary to provide the documents of proof. And put an end to this.

If only to slap the skeptics in the face, and make fools and partisan hacks out of them.

But he has not.
All we have seen is this somewhat dubious "Certification of Live Birth".

Others have commented on the possibility it has been altered, photoshopped, not a legitimate document etc.

But what I find most curious about this document, is that his mother's RACE is described as Caucasian, and his Father's RACE is described as AFRICAN.

His father's RACE would be described as BLACK or possibly AFRICAN AMERICAN today, in 2008, and even that would be mixing apples to oranges.

But in 1961 it's more likely his father's RACE would be described as NEGRO.

At the very least it would say BLACK.
The continent of his birth (Africa) would not be a proper description of one's RACE.

It's almost like whoever ginned up this document couldn't bring themselves to use the proper term for the time, even if it raised questions.

I'm just sayin'
 

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