CHAT No one is thinking about power.
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I've built a fire in mine about once a week since the start of Sept. Has already been 18 here before the sun came up.
SouthernBreeze
Has No Life - Lives on TB
I agree. It's what we are relying on here.
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
No mention was made of brown outs due to winter weather, just black outs of the grid. Never seen ads like this before.
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
The interesting part was I didn't see any generators being advertised. These were non sensible ads sorta like the ones from the 90's with the guy walking around the conveince store putting food into his coat and then walking out the door w/o paying and the security guard stops him, scans him with a device, and then sends him on his way, type commercials. More predictive programming?
Honey, I'm in Florida. It can get cold enough for a fireplace at our BOL in north Florida but even then I might have a window open to keep things from drying out. And in West Central Florida? That is shorts and flipflops year round. LOL
I've called a couple of those "solar power now" that are advertising. Their installation is months out.
At our BOL we are having a 40 x 40 steel barn built. Despite having ordered it last month it will still likely be January before the materials come in.
We've ordered a bunch of power/heater/solar stuff in the last few days, and most of it is coming later this week. Depends what you want, I guess. We didn't have to make any substitutions.
I know you live in FL, but most of the country does have winter. Seeker mentioned last year's Texas freezes. A kid died in that...made me mad; NO excuse if someone has at least a roof over their head! What the Hell were his parents doing?
Oh I understand. It is about like trying to get some people remember when there was NO HVAC in people's homes, even here in Florida. It is a different mindset and you have to be creative. But sleeping porches may not be a safe way to address those issues in the coming future.
Redleg
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The Snack Artist
Membership Revoked
President Stoopid has a brownout nearly every day. Do I have to remind you? I have no tv, internet, fon, or any other electronic devices as I am virtuous! This soapbox is all I have left in the world.
I do have a whole house generator but as we all know, without the nat gas to run it, it's a yard ornament.
I don't know about that but I woke up several mornings between Thanksgiving and Christmas(76?) with my pant legs frozen after walking through the swamps all night. Never knew rivers actually could run through all that water. Watched several people get medivacked, hyperthermia and a couple lost, zombied out watching Ranger eyes. They assumed they fell asleep and drowned. What ever happened they were dead none the less.
Found it. Ocean Weather Services - The Day it Snowed in Florida
The Day it Snowed in Florida
The winter of 1976-1977 was one of the coldest on record for much of the Eastern US, averaging around 5 degrees below normal. January, 1977 was one of the coldest months with over 60 cities reporting their coldest or second coldest January on record!
The months between October and February saw a prevailing very large and deep Aleutian low that covered much of the North Pacific Ocean. This created a stronger than normal upper-level ridge over western North America and a deep upper-level trough over the East. Extremely cold air was allowed to move southward from the Arctic across the eastern and central US breaking all kinds of records including snow falling across Florida as far south as Homestead, Fl some 23 miles south of Miami!
The four day period between January 17th and 20th saw an extraordinary outbreak of cold air that reached far south into Florida. At the time, a strong high pressure ridge prevailed over the Mississippi Valley. A deep low that developed off of Cape Hatteras on the 15th moved to the Gulf of St. Lawrence by the 18th. This was followed by a clipper type low that moved rapidly eastward across the Great Lakes with a secondary low forming over the Carolinas along the trailing cold front moving eastward and deepening off the Southeast US coast on the 19th which pushed bitterly cold air from the Hudson Bay area directly southward to the Gulf States and into the Caribbean.
500MB Chart Jan 19th 1977
As the frontal trough moved southward, the residents of the Florida Panhandle were the first to see snow receiving 1-2 inches on January 18th along with very cold gusty northwesterly winds. As the frontal trough moved farther south that day nearly all locations in north and central Florida reported some snow or snow flurries.
NOAA NWS Daily Weather Map January 19, 1977
Tampa recorded its greatest snow accumulation to date: with 0.2 inches officially reported at the airport. Farther inland, Lakeland reported 1.0 inches and an unofficial 2 inch accumulation was reported in Plant City.
http://www.tampapix.com/snow-in-tampa,-Jan-19th.jpg
Over South Florida West Palm Beach reported snow falling for the first time on record. Snow was also reported at the Fort Lauderdale/Hollywood International Airport and even Homestead, 23 miles south of Miami reported snow flakes falling.
Picture Courtesy of Charles Trainor/Miami Herald
http://apps.startribune.com/blogs/user_images/MIAsnow.jpg
Icy highways caused hundreds of accidents and portions of Florida's Interstate Highway system were forced to close due to the poor traction on the freezing surfaces. President Carter declared 35 Florida counties disaster areas. The U. S. Department of Agriculture reported 35 % of the citrus crop, over 95% of all vegetables and 50-75% of commercial flowers lost. It is estimated the freeze cost the Florida economy $2 billion (1977) dollars.
South Florida Minimum Temperatures
Orlando 20
Daytona 23
Plant City 22
Tampa 27
Fort Myers 30
Ft Lauderdale 28
Everglades 29
Venice 27
Naples fell 26
West Palm Beach 27
Miami Beach 32
Miami Airport 31
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packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
The Snack Artist
Membership Revoked
Right now we have some potatoes wired up and are generating a little power from them. Wish me luck!Solar panels for your gen set!
Well, that is how leftists think.
I don't know about that but I woke up several mornings between Thanksgiving and Christmas(76?) with my pant legs frozen after walking through the swamps all night. Never knew rivers actually could run through all that water. Watched several people get medivacked, hyperthermia and a couple lost, zombied out watching Ranger eyes. They assumed they fell asleep and drowned. What ever happened they were dead none the less.
Found it. Ocean Weather Services - The Day it Snowed in Florida
The Day it Snowed in Florida
The winter of 1976-1977 was one of the coldest on record for much of the Eastern US, averaging around 5 degrees below normal. January, 1977 was one of the coldest months with over 60 cities reporting their coldest or second coldest January on record!
The months between October and February saw a prevailing very large and deep Aleutian low that covered much of the North Pacific Ocean. This created a stronger than normal upper-level ridge over western North America and a deep upper-level trough over the East. Extremely cold air was allowed to move southward from the Arctic across the eastern and central US breaking all kinds of records including snow falling across Florida as far south as Homestead, Fl some 23 miles south of Miami!
The four day period between January 17th and 20th saw an extraordinary outbreak of cold air that reached far south into Florida. At the time, a strong high pressure ridge prevailed over the Mississippi Valley. A deep low that developed off of Cape Hatteras on the 15th moved to the Gulf of St. Lawrence by the 18th. This was followed by a clipper type low that moved rapidly eastward across the Great Lakes with a secondary low forming over the Carolinas along the trailing cold front moving eastward and deepening off the Southeast US coast on the 19th which pushed bitterly cold air from the Hudson Bay area directly southward to the Gulf States and into the Caribbean.
500MB Chart Jan 19th 1977
As the frontal trough moved southward, the residents of the Florida Panhandle were the first to see snow receiving 1-2 inches on January 18th along with very cold gusty northwesterly winds. As the frontal trough moved farther south that day nearly all locations in north and central Florida reported some snow or snow flurries.
NOAA NWS Daily Weather Map January 19, 1977
Tampa recorded its greatest snow accumulation to date: with 0.2 inches officially reported at the airport. Farther inland, Lakeland reported 1.0 inches and an unofficial 2 inch accumulation was reported in Plant City.
http://www.tampapix.com/snow-in-tampa,-Jan-19th.jpg
Photo Credit: University of South Florida, Tampa
Over South Florida West Palm Beach reported snow falling for the first time on record. Snow was also reported at the Fort Lauderdale/Hollywood International Airport and even Homestead, 23 miles south of Miami reported snow flakes falling.
Picture Courtesy of Charles Trainor/Miami Herald
http://apps.startribune.com/blogs/user_images/MIAsnow.jpg
Icy highways caused hundreds of accidents and portions of Florida's Interstate Highway system were forced to close due to the poor traction on the freezing surfaces. President Carter declared 35 Florida counties disaster areas. The U. S. Department of Agriculture reported 35 % of the citrus crop, over 95% of all vegetables and 50-75% of commercial flowers lost. It is estimated the freeze cost the Florida economy $2 billion (1977) dollars.
South Florida Minimum Temperatures
Orlando 20
Daytona 23
Plant City 22
Tampa 27
Fort Myers 30
Ft Lauderdale 28
Everglades 29
Venice 27
Naples fell 26
West Palm Beach 27
Miami Beach 32
Miami Airport 31
That was our 2nd year in Florida. LOL. I suppose it isn't funny because that was the first nail in the coffin of the citrus industry in this state. My Dad had just come back in '75 from being TDY a year in Greenland. He said we were moving to Florida and he was never ever seeing another snowflake. ROFL
Ping Jockey
Inactive
Fuses are your friends, properly sized for the load that is.
db cooper
Resident Secret Squirrel
I must admit a home whole house generator is a spendy "just-in-case" toy. On the other side of the coin, if the SHTF big time with major power outages, then it would be money well spent just to keep freezers going, the well pumping and the water hot.
When the money is not there, it is not an option.
ShadowMan
Designated Grumpy Old Fart
Don't need TV to tell me to have back up power and heat. As soon as we moved to our mountain community in the San Bernardino National Forest we got a multi-fuel generator. We now have a Generac whole house back up generator, the Multi-Fuel is the back up to the back up and then we have a small Honda gennie for our travel trailer as a back up to the back up to the back up. One is none, two is one, three is two. Choices - choices - choices. Always good to have choices and options.
FWIW, here on the mountain we have frequent blackouts due to weather and Edison shutting things down during high winds in fire season.....which is friggen just about all year round now.
FWIW, here on the mountain we have frequent blackouts due to weather and Edison shutting things down during high winds in fire season.....which is friggen just about all year round now.
Doc1
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Yes, Kathy! It's not just the Panhandle that can get cold. I was working on a pipe laying/ underground utilities crew just inland from Sarasota when I was 17. For you folks not familiar with the geography, Sarasota is just a bit south of Tampa and St. Petersburg.
During a bizarre winter cold snap, which only lasted a couple of days, it got down into the twenties. For a lot of you, the twenties won't seem all that cold, but this was central Florida and we still had the Florida humidity which makes both cold and heat seem much worse. All of our crew were young guys in their late teens to early twenties and as you might imagine, none of us had cold weather clothes. We were used to - even in the winter - wearing jeans and, at most, long-sleeved henley type shirts. Maybe a couple of guys had jean jackets but that was about it.
We spent those two days hiding from the bosses down in the newly-built manholes that a previous crew had just built. This wasn't too hard, since the bosses and foreman weren't any better dressed than us. They were spending almost all of their time hiding in the (poorly heated) office trailer, or sitting outside in their cars and trucks with their engines running and their heaters on!
We were kind of a rowdy bunch; hard workers, but, well, on the rowdy side... I think the bosses - sitting in their heated vehicles - knew better than to actually put the vehicles in gear and come looking for us, lest they wind up with a brick through their windshield!
It was a different era and jobs were a dime a dozen. If you were fired - or "run off" in the vernacular - you'd just go down the street and have another job before nightfall. There were no unions, but the worker's attitude and the existing job market was it's own sort of union: If a boss or foreman was a real asshole, the workers would just as soon tell them to eff off as look at them. It's not that we were lazy; I remember working very hard for that company, but real "attitude" wasn't tolerated by anyone.
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Doc
Caplock50
I am the Winter Warrior
I have an electric heater(for heating a single room); a gas heater for heating the whole house; and a wood Burning stove, also for heating the whole house. I think I've already 'thought of power'...
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
The average American hasn’t. You and I are outside of the norm.
Caplock50
I am the Winter Warrior
I was working on a tomato farm just out from Naples, Florida when about 3 inches of snow was 'dumped' on us by 'Mother Nature'. I believe that was in the late '80s or early '90s. I pretty much grew up in Okeechobee, Florida.
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
From today's Horsemen thread:
Gas prices are at a seven-year high
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Natural gas price spikes 25% on soaring demand
www.breitbart.com
Gas prices are at a seven-year high
Gas prices set new 2021 high and $3.30 per gallon could be next
As oil climbs, drivers across the country are seeing gas prices surge.
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Natural gas price spikes 25% on soaring demand
Natural gas price spikes 25% on soaring demand - Breitbart
European and UK gas prices surged on Wednesday by more than 25 percent, energised by soaring demand before the northern hemisphere winter. Europe's
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Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
How old is "too old" to gather firewood?
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
We have a sh*i metric ton of stuff to do on our end. Both garages are good for solar. The other choice is to add a whole house generator, however, how would it be fueled as many Iowans found out during the derecho of 2020. I have a kerosene stove we can use and even cook on. The problem is once agai; obtaining fuel.
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
My pops was in Greenland during the Korean War... He loved it and the family ended up moving to Northern Wisconsin.
My ass, on the other hand, high-tailed it to Florida as soon as the opportunity arrived!
Was '77. You are shorting yourself some time there Cap. LOL There's been flurries occasionally in far north Florida since then but no true snow that far south since. I was in 5th grade the year it happened and my mother was the only one of the parents in my class than knew how to drive in snow. LOL
Snow didn't last long and it was mostly slush before the sand ate it because it might have been snowing but it was still humid. What a mess that was.
My dad hated it there ... loved the Danes and their food ... but otherwise couldn't wait to get home. He was so lonely and it was so cold that year. He never had to trim his mustache, it would just break off in the cold.
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
My dad was stationed there for several years before he landed in Newfoundland, and then Vietnam.
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
Weird, my dad absolutely loved it, I still want to visit the place to this day. Then again he hated people.
meandk0610
Veteran Member
Caplock50
I am the Winter Warrior
As I recall, this snow 'storm' came in from the West, not down from the North. Folks a bit North of Naples got a chill but no snow. I'd worked all day...and then spent all night burning old tires to try and save some of the crops.
Sleeping Cobra
TB Fanatic
Everyone needs a pet electric eel. They work better than generators. LOL
bobfall2005
Veteran Member
Dumped the tv in 07.
db cooper
Resident Secret Squirrel
I would venture to say most on this forum are outside of the norm, or at least trying to get there prep wise. In a nasty situation, created by nature or man, we'd be able to survive long after government dependent city people.
Samuel Adams
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Always enjoyed perusing google pics of those huge monolithic Russian heavy (as in several tons of) masonry kitchen-living space fireplace/cookstoves that were fired up hot for the morning cooking, and all that mass absorbed the heat to be released slowly, throughout the day.
Samuel Adams
Has No Life - Lives on TB
I’m pretty sure you have to juggle at least four of those at a time, vigorously, for about an hour, after wiring, before they produce electricity.
I mean.....duh.....
