ALERT NETI POT users need to read this right now!

Troke

On TB every waking moment
http://www.king5.com/health/Brain-i...eba-kills-3-one-from-neti-pot-128037093.html#

ATLANTA (AP) -- Two children and a young man have died this summer from a brain-eating amoeba that lives in water, health officials say. The death of the young man, who was from Louisiana, was traced to water used in a neti pot.

The case is being called an unusual one by health officials, who have not identified the man or where he died. His death in June was traced to the tap water he used in a device called a neti pot. It's a small teapot-shaped container used to rinse out the nose and sinuses with salt water to relieve allergies, colds and sinus trouble.

Health officials later found the amoeba in the home's water system. The problem was confined to the house; it wasn't found in city water samples, said Dr. Raoult Ratard, Louisiana's state epidemiologist.

The young man, who was only identified as in his 20s and from southeast Louisiana, had not been swimming nor been in contact with surface water, Ratard added.

He said only sterile, distilled, or boiled water should be used in neti pots.

This month, the rare infection also killed a 16-year-old Florida girl, who fell ill after swimming, and a 9-year-old Virginia boy, who died a week after he went to a fishing day camp. The boy had been dunked the first day of camp, his mother told the Richmond Times-Dispatch.

Those cases are consistent with past cases, which are usually kids -- often boys -- who get exposed to the bug while swimming or doing water sports in warm ponds or lakes.

The illness is extremely rare. About 120 U.S. cases -- almost all of them deaths -- have been reported since the amoeba was identified in the early 1960s, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

About three deaths are reported each year, on average. Last year, there were four.

There are no signs that cases are increasing, said Jonathan Yoder, who coordinates surveillance of waterborne diseases for the CDC

. The amoeba -- Naegleria fowleri -- gets up the nose, burrows up into the skull and destroys brain tissue. It's found in warm lakes and rivers during the hot summer months, mostly in the South.

It's a medical mystery why some people who swim in amoeba-containing water get the fatal nervous system condition while many others don't, experts say.

But the cases that do occur tend to be tragic, and there's only been one report of successful treatment.

"It's very difficult to treat. Most people die from it," Ratard said.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
http://www.king5.com/health/Brain-i...eba-kills-3-one-from-neti-pot-128037093.html#

ATLANTA (AP) -- Two children and a young man have died this summer from a brain-eating amoeba that lives in water, health officials say. The death of the young man, who was from Louisiana, was traced to water used in a neti pot.

The case is being called an unusual one by health officials, who have not identified the man or where he died. His death in June was traced to the tap water he used in a device called a neti pot. It's a small teapot-shaped container used to rinse out the nose and sinuses with salt water to relieve allergies, colds and sinus trouble.

Health officials later found the amoeba in the home's water system. The problem was confined to the house; it wasn't found in city water samples, said Dr. Raoult Ratard, Louisiana's state epidemiologist.

The young man, who was only identified as in his 20s and from southeast Louisiana, had not been swimming nor been in contact with surface water, Ratard added.

He said only sterile, distilled, or boiled water should be used in neti pots.

This month, the rare infection also killed a 16-year-old Florida girl, who fell ill after swimming, and a 9-year-old Virginia boy, who died a week after he went to a fishing day camp. The boy had been dunked the first day of camp, his mother told the Richmond Times-Dispatch.

Those cases are consistent with past cases, which are usually kids -- often boys -- who get exposed to the bug while swimming or doing water sports in warm ponds or lakes.

The illness is extremely rare. About 120 U.S. cases -- almost all of them deaths -- have been reported since the amoeba was identified in the early 1960s, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

About three deaths are reported each year, on average. Last year, there were four.

There are no signs that cases are increasing, said Jonathan Yoder, who coordinates surveillance of waterborne diseases for the CDC

. The amoeba -- Naegleria fowleri -- gets up the nose, burrows up into the skull and destroys brain tissue. It's found in warm lakes and rivers during the hot summer months, mostly in the South.

It's a medical mystery why some people who swim in amoeba-containing water get the fatal nervous system condition while many others don't, experts say.

But the cases that do occur tend to be tragic, and there's only been one report of successful treatment.

"It's very difficult to treat. Most people die from it," Ratard said.

So how does one find out if they have this amobea or not?

K-
 

kozanne

Inactive
I use a form of the neti pot from time to time, it does involve tap water. But you also add saline to the water as part of the procedure.

Would that not take care of the amoeba?
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
I use a form of the neti pot from time to time, it does involve tap water. But you also add saline to the water as part of the procedure.

Would that not take care of the amoeba?

No.

It lives in fresh or salt water. Consider that your body is reasonably saline.

That is why the doc said sterile, or distilled, or boiled water...
 

naturallysweet

Has No Life - Lives on TB
No, the salt would not kill the amoeba. If you live in Florida, boil the water first and then let it cool before using it.
 

BULLDAWG

NE GEORGIA MTNS.
TROKE;

THANK YOU FOR THE INFO. BOTH MY WIFE AND I HAVE HAD SUCCESS WITH THE NETI POT
BUT WE WILL HOLD OFF FOR NOW, NO MATTER HOW ILL WE BECOME.
I WILL ALSO PASS THIS ON TO MY KIDS AND FRIENDS.

IT HAS BEEN REALLY HOT HERE AND THIS FACTOR ALONE SHOULD KEEP PEOPLE ON THEIR
TOES WHEN IT COMES TO THE WATER.

I DON'T HAVE ANY THOUGHTS OR DESIRES OF BECOMING A STATISTIC.

THANKS AGAIN

BULLDAWG

PS;
PLEASE TAKE NO OFFENSE TO CAPITAIZATIONS, I MUST HAVE HITTHE WRONG KEY.
 

naturallysweet

Has No Life - Lives on TB
TROKE;

THANK YOU FOR THE INFO. BOTH MY WIFE AND I HAVE HAD SUCCESS WITH THE NETI POT
BUT WE WILL HOLD OFF FOR NOW, NO MATTER HOW ILL WE BECOME.
I WILL ALSO PASS THIS ON TO MY KIDS AND FRIENDS.
.

No need to hold off. Just buy a gallon of water at the store for $1 or boil some water and let it cool and then use that as neti pot water.
 

Brutus

Membership Revoked
Thanks for the heads up.

I use a Neti-pot occasionally but I always use bottled water with it.

:)
 

Metolius

Inactive
I use one too and appreciate the warning. Thankfully, it can still be used with distilled water, and that is how I will use it in the future.

Am not as certain about how one could keep swimming in lakes and rivers during the hot weather in the South or wherevr else this shows up, though - and that is part of cooling off in the hot weather for a lot of people. I don't swim but my dogs do, and I'd never heard of this before now.
 

Thomas Paine

Has No Life - Lives on TB
If you follow the instructions you will use only Distilled water with your NETI Pot or nose flush kit so this shouldn't be a problem.
 

bev

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Thanks, Troke.

My ENT gave me his version of a Neti Pot many years ago and said to use tap water. Maybe he didn't know about this amoeba.

Other than the big jugs of distilled water you can get at the store, what about the smaller, 16-oz or 8-oz bottles of drinking water? Would those be safe as well? The water in those smaller bottles might come from infested wateers, right? Maybe I'll just boil mine.
 

frazbo

Veteran Member
In this day and age of questionable food safety and water safety, we should all be aware of what we're putting in our bodies through any orafice, mouth or otherwise. Claims of: "100% pure, or 100% safe" should send you into safety overdrive for you and you're family. Common sense will prevail and many will live another day.
 

Trivium Pursuit

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I have used a squeeze bottle flush kit for essentially the same thing, and had been using tap water. Thanks for the info; although I rinsed it out with hot water after each use, the upper part of the tube eventually did get quite scungy.
 

Satanta

Stone Cold Crazy
_______________
Ugh. The idea of squirting crap up my nose is not very appealing but nonetheless...

First off. Stop freaking out folks. This is one case out of 160 in about 45 years.

If you need it boil or use distilled water.

How can you tell you have the amoeba? Yer dead and everyone around you is either crying or partying.

But first and foremost stop freaking out, yer gonna die anyway.
 

Adino

paradigm shaper
I agree with Satanta. I neti, in fact just did. Used my well water in TN. Been using it in the neti for 3 years now.

Seems odd to me that this amoeba was living in this house where they just happen to neti. But I'd be willing to be pharmaceutical companies will get some increased sales from neti abandoners. Cui bono?

Why so many cases of this thing now? Couple last year iirc out at Lake Havasu now the string this year.
 

oops

Veteran Member
isolated to the house...not part of the public water system...HUM...anyone besides me asking then where the heck it came from?...cause there is one heckuva disconnect if it did NOT come from the public water system...as there isn't (unless I missed it) any reference to any OTHER water source for the house...:( and from my understanding...it takes warm water and a few helpful ingredients (ie...warm pasture pond with cattle in the pasture...etc) to have an infected water source...

His death in June was traced to the tap water he used in a device called a neti pot.

especially given this quote...
 

Kook

A 'maker', not a 'taker'!
according to the info from the cdc in that thread (thanks btw) it doesn't live in salt water. So why wouldn't salt in the neti have killed the amoeba?

The solution for a nasal flush brings the water to a salinity roughly equivalent to what your body contains, and the bug apparently survives quite well at such a level.

I have a SinuSense pump, and use distilled water. A gallon lasts for weeks or months. Cheap insurance.
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
Info from the CDC: http://www.cdc.gov/parasites/naegleria/

L & R: Trophozoites of N. fowleri in brain tissue, stained with H&E. Center: Ameboflagellate trophozoite of N. fowleri.

Naegleria is a microscopic ameba (single-celled living organism) that can cause a very rare, but severe, infection of the brain. The ameba is commonly found in warm freshwater (for example, lakes, rivers, and hot springs) and soil. Only one species (type) of Naegleria infects people: Naegleria fowleri.

Naegleria fowleri infects people by entering the body through the nose. This typically occurs when people go swimming or diving in warm freshwater places, like lakes and rivers. In very rare instances, Naegleria infections may also occur when contaminated water from other sources (such as inadequately chlorinated swimming pool water or heated tap water <47°C) enters the nose. Once the ameba enters the brain, it causes a usually fatal infection called primary amebic meningoencephalitis (PAM).

Info on SYMPTOMS of the infection: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naegleria_fowleri

Naegleria fowleri
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Naegleria fowleri
Different stages of Naegleria fowleri
Scientific classification
Domain: Eukaryota
Phylum: Percolozoa
Class: Heterolobosea
Order: Schizopyrenida
Family: Vahlkampfiidae
Genus: Naegleria
Species: N. fowleri
Binomial name
Naegleria fowleri
Carter (1970)

Naegleria fowleri (play /nəˈɡlɪəriə/; also known as "the brain-eating amoeba") is a free-living excavate form of protist typically found in warm bodies of fresh water, such as ponds, lakes, rivers, and hot springs. It is also found in soil, near warm water discharges of industrial plants, and unchlorinated swimming pools in an amoeboid or temporary flagellate stage. There is no evidence of this organism living in ocean water. It belongs to a group called the Percolozoa or Heterolobosea. Although not a true amoeba, the organism is often referred to as an amoeba for convenience.

N. fowleri can invade and attack the human nervous system. Although this occurs rarely,[1] such an infection nearly always results in the death of the victim.[2] The mortality rate is estimated at 98%.

Infection
Life cycle of N. fowleri and other free-living Amoebae. Click to enlarge and view caption.

In humans, N. fowleri can invade the central nervous system via the nose, more specifically through the olfactory mucosa and cribriform plate of the nasal tissues. The penetration initially results in significant necrosis of and hemorrhaging in the olfactory bulbs. From there, the amoebae climbs along nerve fibers through the floor of the cranium via the cribriform plate and into the brain. The organism begins to consume cells of the brain piecemeal by means of a unique sucking apparatus extended from its cell surface.[9] It then becomes pathogenic, causing primary amoebic meningoencephalitis (PAM or PAME). PAM is a syndrome affecting the central nervous system.[10] PAM usually occurs in healthy children or young adults with no prior history of immune compromise who have recently been exposed to bodies of fresh water.[11]

Amphotericin B is effective against N. fowleri in vitro, but the prognosis remains bleak for those that contract PAM, and survival remains less than 1%.[11] On the basis of the in vitro evidence alone, the CDC currently recommends treatment with Amphotericin B for primary amoebic meningoencephalitis, but there is no evidence that this treatment affects outcome.[11] Treatment combining miconazole, sulfadiazine, and tetracycline has shown limited success only when administered early in the course of an infection.[12]

Symptoms

Onset symptoms of infection start 1 to 14 days after exposure. The initial symptoms include, but are not limited to, changes in taste and smell, headache, fever, nausea, vomiting, and stiff neck. Secondary symptoms include confusion, hallucinations, lack of attention, ataxia, and seizures. After the start of symptoms, the disease progresses rapidly over 3 to 7 days, with death occurring from 7 to 14 days after exposure.[18]
 

oops

Veteran Member
The ameba is commonly found in warm freshwater (for example, lakes, rivers, and hot springs) and soil.


In very rare instances, Naegleria infections may also occur when contaminated water from other sources (such as inadequately chlorinated swimming pool water or heated tap water <47°C) enters the nose.

Sooo...how did the house tap water become infected if not via the public water service...something in this article stinks to high heaven...nothing like blaming the neti pot for what appears to be something very questionable...and I see nothing yet in anything I've read that implies there was any other water source for the house...would love to know what the public water source is (well...river...creek...etc) and a few other things..:(
 

Delta

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Well, if I am ever found dead under mysterious circumstances you may surmise it was either be because I was (mistakenly) thought to be a nuclear or biological scientist, was mistaken for a dog by a cop, or I flushed my nose with tap water.

I do not use a neti pot, I merely collect tap water in my cupped hands, dip my nose into it, and suck it up.
 

Satanta

Stone Cold Crazy
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I agree with Satanta. I neti, in fact just did. Used my well water in TN. Been using it in the neti for 3 years now.

Seems odd to me that this amoeba was living in this house where they just happen to neti. But I'd be willing to be pharmaceutical companies will get some increased sales from neti abandoners. Cui bono?

Why so many cases of this thing now? Couple last year iirc out at Lake Havasu now the string this year.

Don't know about last year but this year we have a heat waves so waters are warmer allowing the amoeba to spread.

As far as how it got in the tap water? Simple. Again, it's warm and the groundwater us warm and if the pipe is cracked under the ground or not properly sealed at a joint some ground water likely seeped in to the pipes.

Depeding on if it is on a well or not any loss of pressure could allow seepage or even there was a line break somewhere and either a boil warning was not issued or ignored/not heard.
 

Be Well

may all be well
TROKE;

THANK YOU FOR THE INFO. BOTH MY WIFE AND I HAVE HAD SUCCESS WITH THE NETI POT
BUT WE WILL HOLD OFF FOR NOW, NO MATTER HOW ILL WE BECOME.
I WILL ALSO PASS THIS ON TO MY KIDS AND FRIENDS.

IT HAS BEEN REALLY HOT HERE AND THIS FACTOR ALONE SHOULD KEEP PEOPLE ON THEIR
TOES WHEN IT COMES TO THE WATER.

I DON'T HAVE ANY THOUGHTS OR DESIRES OF BECOMING A STATISTIC.

THANKS AGAIN

BULLDAWG

PS;
PLEASE TAKE NO OFFENSE TO CAPITAIZATIONS, I MUST HAVE HITTHE WRONG KEY.

I have used a Neti pot for years. We have good clean well water but if a person uses water of dubious quality it would probably be bad to drink it too. Best thing is to use a good water filter, or boil the water, first finding out how long to boil it to get rid of any pathogenic organisms. The problem is amoebas, not the Neti pot. If you're drinking the water and not getting amoebas, there probably aren't any in your water. Amoebas are pretty big, I use a Berkfeld, for sure it would eliminate these amoebas, probably most water filters would.

Drinking water with amoebas in it is dangerous too.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Don't know about last year but this year we have a heat waves so waters are warmer allowing the amoeba to spread.

As far as how it got in the tap water? Simple. Again, it's warm and the groundwater us warm and if the pipe is cracked under the ground or not properly sealed at a joint some ground water likely seeped in to the pipes.

Depeding on if it is on a well or not any loss of pressure could allow seepage or even there was a line break somewhere and either a boil warning was not issued or ignored/not heard.

Also flooding will introduce them into a system. The guy in Louisana, was he in the flooded area by chance?
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Sooo...how did the house tap water become infected if not via the public water service...something in this article stinks to high heaven...nothing like blaming the neti pot for what appears to be something very questionable...and I see nothing yet in anything I've read that implies there was any other water source for the house...would love to know what the public water source is (well...river...creek...etc) and a few other things..:(

Also which part of Louisana, was he in the area that was intentionally flooded to relieve stress from the Mississippi river?
 

fairbanksb

Freedom Isn't Free
Will the filters in the Berkey take care of it. I have a Berkey so no sense buying distilled water if filtered water will do.
 

Grammytomany

Inactive
Watching the early health news on fox with the Dr. of the day....he said it DOES live in salt water once the sand on the floor of the ocean is kicked up and that happens just walking or playing in the ocean. Sterilize the neti and your water and be safe. It is easy enough to do. I have one pot that I sterilize my hubby's nebulizer in every morning and ocassionaly change it out for a new one also. Just be safe please.
 

gunnersmom

Veteran Member
If the chlorine in pools will kill the bug, why won't the choline in municipal water supplies? I will not give up my neti pot.
 

LilRose8

Veteran Member
I agree that this is vital information. Many times I have been thankful for my neti pot but will now be making sure to use sterile water and I will likely be running the neti pot through the dishwasher high heat more often or running boiling water through it after every use.
 

TerryK

TB Fanatic
isolated to the house...not part of the public water system...HUM...anyone besides me asking then where the heck it came from?...cause there is one heckuva disconnect if it did NOT come from the public water system...as there isn't (unless I missed it) any reference to any OTHER water source for the house...:( and from my understanding...it takes warm water and a few helpful ingredients (ie...warm pasture pond with cattle in the pasture...etc) to have an infected water source...
especially given this quote...

Could have been an improperly hooked up in ground sprinkler system without a proper antisiphoning valve.
Here in Central Florida we have a case of two every year. The epi dept at our health dept says they live near the bottom around the mud and dirt in our lakes.
They were even found in public fountain pools. Boys are usually the one to dive head first into the water and get their head down near the lake bottome.
Almost all the cases here were from swiming in fresh water lakes. Havent heard of any from swiming in any of our springs. Probably too cold

Swiming is hazardous here in Fl. If the gators or mocasins don't get you an itty bitty amoeba will.
 

Beetree

Veteran Member
Unscrew the bottom of the faucet where the water runs out and check out the slim there. Stick your q-tip up in the faucet. I take bleach and clean around there once a week. ALso I clean around the bottom of the pur filter on the kitchen faucet. You'll see.
 

pops88

Girls with Guns Member
The illness is extremely rare. About 120 U.S. cases -- almost all of them deaths -- have been reported since the amoeba was identified in the early 1960s, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

About three deaths are reported each year, on average. Last year, there were four.

Um kay. If I used a Neti pot, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be worrying about using tap water. I've got bigger things to worry about, like slipping in the shower, tripping over a dog toy, being hit by someone driving while using their cell phone. But then I've lived rather dangerously in my life. Me thinks Neti pots are cutting into big pharm and doctor's profits.
 

Beetree

Veteran Member
Um kay. If I used a Neti pot, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be worrying about using tap water. I've got bigger things to worry about, like slipping in the shower, tripping over a dog toy, being hit by someone driving while using their cell phone. But then I've lived rather dangerously in my life. Me thinks Neti pots are cutting into big pharm and doctor's profits.

LOL..or Elein (astroid) could put a big ole bugger up our noses! LOL. Big ole hard bugger. One of those buggers that has a count down.
 

Beetree

Veteran Member
Troke..thank you for posting this. I sent it to many people that USE a neti pot. It is a warning to us all that there are deadly things in the most unsuspected places. You have certainly saved lives by putting this here. I do hope you aren't miffed in any way whatsoever that I got silly. I'm off work after over-time and resting..so just having fun! THANKS FOR THE ARTICLE!
 
good grief. this has NOTHING to do with a neti pot. It has to do with a RARE infection. Guess ya'll better quit showering too, huh? Or taking a bath with all that dangerous TAP water?

Don't want to give that one in a trillion chance to that lil' ole' amoeba. You run a better chance of a killer infection walking around Walmart and most certainly ANY trip to a large hospital.

The case is being called an unusual one by health officials, who have not identified the man or where he died. His death in June was traced to the tap water he used in a device called a neti pot. It's a small teapot-shaped container used to rinse out the nose and sinuses with salt water to relieve allergies, colds and sinus trouble.

Health officials later found the amoeba in the home's water system.
 
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thanking Troke for YOU misinterpreting the facts?

gawd some of you are ...............(insert word rhyming with OOOPID here)......


I guess he isn't the only one suffering from a ton of senior moments on this forum.

Here, let me rephrase part of the article in my last post:



Health officials later found the amoeba in the home's water system.
 
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