OP-ED Nationalism Is Rising, Not Fascism - George Friedman

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Nationalism Is Rising, Not Fascism

May 31, 2016 The claims of an increase in fascism in Europe and the U.S. derive from a misunderstanding of the term.

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By George Friedman

Recently, there have been a number of articles and statements asserting that fascism is rising in Europe, and that Donald Trump is an American example of fascism. This is a misrepresentation of a very real phenomenon. The nation-state is reasserting itself as the primary vehicle of political life. Multinational institutions like the European Union and multilateral trade treaties are being challenged because they are seen by some as not being in the national interest. The charge of a rise in fascism derives from a profound misunderstanding of what fascism is. It is also an attempt to discredit the resurgence of nationalism and to defend the multinational systems that have dominated the West since World War II.

Nationalism is the core of the Enlightenment’s notion of liberal democracy. It asserts that the multinational dynasties that ruled autocratically denied basic human rights. Among these was the right to national self-determination and the right of citizens to decide what was in the national interest. The Enlightenment feared tyranny and saw the multinational empires dominating Europe as the essence of tyranny. Destroying them meant replacing them with nation-states. The American and French revolutions were both nationalist risings, as were the nationalist risings that swept Europe in 1848. Liberal revolutions were by definitions nationalist because they were risings against multinational empires.

Fascism differs from nationalism in two profound ways. First, self-determination was not considered a universal right by fascists. Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini and Francisco Franco, to mention three obvious fascists, only endorsed nationalism for Germany, Italy and Spain. The rights of other nations to a nation-state of their own was at best unclear to the fascists. In a very real sense, Hitler and Mussolini believed in multinationalism, albeit with other nations submitting to their will. Fascism in its historical form was an assault on the right of nations to pursue their self-interest, and an elevation of the fascists’ right to pursue it based on an assertion of their nations’ inherent superiority and right to rule.

But the more profound difference was the conception of internal governance. Liberal nationalism accepted that the right to hold power was subject to explicit and periodic selection of the leaders by the people. How this was done varied. The American system is very different from the British, but the core principles remain the same. It also requires that opponents of the elected have the right to speak out against them, and to organize parties to challenge them in the future. Most important, it affirms that the people have the right to govern themselves through these mechanisms and that those elected to lead must govern in the people’s name. Leaders must also be permitted to govern and extra-legal means cannot be used to paralyze the government, any more than the government has the right to suppress dissent.

Fascism asserts that a Hitler or Mussolini represent the people but are not answerable to them. The core of fascism is the idea of the dictator, who emerges through his own will. He cannot be challenged without betraying the people. Therefore, free speech and opposition parties are banned and those who attempt to oppose the regime are treated as criminals. Fascism without the dictator, without the elimination of elections, without suppression of free speech and the right to assemble, isn’t fascism.

Arguing that being part of the European Union is not in the British interest, that NATO has outlived its usefulness, that protectionist policies or anti-immigration policies are desirable is not fascist. These ideas have no connection to fascism whatsoever. They are far more closely linked to traditional liberal democracy. They represent the reassertion of the foundation of liberal democracy, which is the self-governing nation-state. It is the foundation of the United Nations, whose members are nation-states, and where the right to national self-determination is fundamental.

Liberal democracy does not dictate whether a nation should be a member in a multinational organization, adopt free trade policies or protectionism, or welcome or exclude immigrants. These are decisions to be made by the people – or more precisely, by the representatives they select. The choices may be wise, unwise or even unjust. However, the power to make these choices rests, in a liberal democracy, in the hands of the citizens.

What we are seeing is the rise of the nation-state against the will of multinational organizations and agreements. There are serious questions about membership in the EU, NATO and trade agreements, and equally about the right to control borders. Reasonable people can disagree, and it is the political process of each nation that retains the power to determine shifts in policy. There is no guarantee that the citizenry will be wise, but that cuts both ways and in every direction.

The current rise of nationalism in Europe is the result of European institutions’ failure to function effectively. Eight years after 2008, Europe still has not solved its economic problems. A year after the massive influx of refugees in Europe, there is still no coherent and effective policy to address the issue. Given this, it would be irresponsible for citizens and leaders not to raise questions as to whether they should remain in the EU or follow its dictates. Similarly, there is no reason for Donald Trump not to challenge the idea that free trade is always advantageous, or to question NATO. However obnoxious his style and however confusing his presentation, he is asking questions that must be asked.

In the 1950s, the McCarthyites charged anyone they didn’t like with being communists. Today, those who disapprove of the challengers of the current system call them fascists. Now, some of the opponents of the EU or immigration may really be fascists. But the hurdle for being a fascist is quite high. Fascism is far more than racism, tinkering with the judiciary, or staging a violent demonstration. Real fascism is Nazi Germany’s “leader principle” – which dictated absolute obedience to the Führer, whose authority was understood to be above the law.

We are seeing a return to nationalism in Europe and the United States because it is not clear to many that internationalism, as followed since World War II, benefits them any longer. They may be right or wrong, but to claim that fascism is sweeping Europe and the United States raises the question of whether those who say this understand the principles of fascism or the intimate connection between nationalism and liberal democracy.
 

Plain Jane

Just Plain Jane
Great article and adds the historical perspective. I have wondered what the left will come up with as insults when the words "fascist" and "racist" lose their punch.
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
Globalism is what the elite have been seeking for generations now starting with Woodrow Wilson and the League of Nations at least.

Nationalism is but one response to the over-reach of the globalists. Tribalism is the other. Which will emerge depends on whether nationalism can be sustained or not.

Either way, the death struggles of globalism are now under way, and not a moment too soon.
 

cornanj

Senior Member
God destroyed the Tower of Babel and replaced it with nationalism. Globalism will be destroyed and replaced with nationalism. Trump is hated because he is a nationalist. Make AMERICA great again. The Arab Spring was about destroying nation states and creating a caliphate.

Assad wants to keep his country....he has to go. Quadaffi wanted to keep his country....he had to go. Mubarrak wanted to keep his country....he had to go. All muslim nations must join the (global) caliphate that is being formed. Sykes-Picot must be destroyed. Nationalism is NOT welcome.

God is a nationalist and nationalism will prevail. Trump may not be a "righteous" man but he is a nationalist. Putin is a nationalist. And it is my humble opinion that a nationalist is exactly what God will use to defeat the evil globalist agenda.
 

JDSeese

Veteran Member
People like to throw the word "Fascism" around because Hitler ruined that word for all time. So instead of referring to "Nationalism" which is not offensive in and of itself, instead "Fascism" is used as an ad hominem attack to prove guilt by association.

All Fascists are evil. All Fascists are Nationalists. Not all Nationalists are Fascists.

The press and the left say, therefore, that all Nationalists are evil.
 

TammyinWI

Talk is cheap
Great article and adds the historical perspective. I have wondered what the left will come up with as insults when the words "fascist" and "racist" lose their punch.

Well, here's some of what the "educated" left are saying now...will it pack a punch???

The Donald Trump Presidential Campaign: How to Fight the Rise of Fascism in Our Time (*fair use)

Published on May 24, 2016


Download mp3 at:
https://soundcloud.com/soulshakedownd...

Filmed at the 2016 Left Forum in New York City.

Facilitated by Dr. Webster G. Tarpley of Tarpley.net
and the Tax Wall Street Party TWSP.US

Overview: Can it happen here? Is it already happening here? Donald Trump has been denounced as a fascist and a Nazi, but there is still controversy. He is racist, sexist, Islamophobic, and xenophobic but he is something worse. Americans’ knowledge of fascism is tragically inadequate, limited to Blitzkrieg and the Holocaust – the end products. We need to examine fascist movements and ideology genetically, in the time before they took power – the phase that corresponds to today– and in their early years. Some say Trump is a buffoon, but that was also said of Mussolini, and after the laughing stopped about a million died. Others say Trump will not deliver on his threats, but this ignores the lesson of Mein Kampf, which revealed Hitler’s plans but was ignored. Still others contend the US is already fascist, so Trump’s seizure of power will make little difference. But if there is already fascism, how is the Left Forum still meeting? Many respond that Trump is bad, but they hate another candidate more. But who was more dangerous, Hitler or Hindenburg? Another misconception is that Trump might get to the White House, but would soon be toppled. State power would become a trap for him. Trump is eager for this trap. Eyewitnesses from the 1920s and 1930s show these mistakes are not new. This panel will attempt to combine lessons of Italian fascism and German Nazism, plus references to Vichy France, to develop a strategy for the American people to #StopTrump!

http://tarpley.net/
http://twsp.us/
http://www.leftforum.org/content/dona...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziA8lXoeBlI
 
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Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
The FUSA is now a deeply divided nation, fractured on several fronts. A multifront civil war is nigh inevitable at this point. The question is, which side will the government weigh in on? An attempt by the power of government to restore the status quo ante is as far as I am concerned the first sign I have seen in decades that the government might actually be on MY side.

I'll take that in a heartbeat, and if someone I don't identify as "my side" gets a little battered in the process (or a lot battered in the process) that's all good to me.
 

Nowski

Let's Go Brandon!
The next biggest test for nationalism, will be if the Brits exit The European Union.

That will be a big stake into the heart of the globalists, as people world wide are fed up,
and they want their nations back.

All of it, the illegal alien invasions worldwide, people wanting their nations back,
nationalists like Putin and Trump, having incredible support in their respective nations,
only means one thing. The globalists are not going to relinquish their powers,
not without a massive fight.

This is nothing more, than the calm before an incredible storm, of unspeakable destruction.

Regards to all,
Nowski
 

thompson

Certa Bonum Certamen
God destroyed the Tower of Babel and replaced it with nationalism. Globalism will be destroyed and replaced with nationalism. Trump is hated because he is a nationalist. Make AMERICA great again. The Arab Spring was about destroying nation states and creating a caliphate.

Assad wants to keep his country....he has to go. Quadaffi wanted to keep his country....he had to go. Mubarrak wanted to keep his country....he had to go. All muslim nations must join the (global) caliphate that is being formed. Sykes-Picot must be destroyed. Nationalism is NOT welcome.

God is a nationalist and nationalism will prevail. Trump may not be a "righteous" man but he is a nationalist. Putin is a nationalist. And it is my humble opinion that a nationalist is exactly what God will use to defeat the evil globalist agenda.

I'm with you all the way on this.

People like to throw the word "Fascism" around because Hitler ruined that word for all time. So instead of referring to "Nationalism" which is not offensive in and of itself, instead "Fascism" is used as an ad hominem attack to prove guilt by association.

All Fascists are evil. All Fascists are Nationalists. Not all Nationalists are Fascists.

The press and the left say, therefore, that all Nationalists are evil.
I'm with you, too.

The FUSA is now a deeply divided nation, fractured on several fronts. A multifront civil war is nigh inevitable at this point. The question is, which side will the government weigh in on? An attempt by the power of government to restore the status quo ante is as far as I am concerned the first sign I have seen in decades that the government might actually be on MY side.

I'll take that in a heartbeat, and if someone I don't identify as "my side" gets a little battered in the process (or a lot battered in the process) that's all good to me.
And I'm with you, too.
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
considering the article above, what would you call the following?

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...curb-press-freedom-libel-laws-first-amendment

Donald Trump pledges to curb press freedom through libel laws

The Republican frontrunner has cast a pall over the first amendment by vowing to ‘open up our libel laws’ to punish publication of ‘purposely negative stories’
Donald Trump wants to change the US libel laws so that ‘when the New York Times or the Washington Post writes a hit piece, we can sue them’.


Friday 26 February 2016 15.44 EST
Last modified on Wednesday 1 June 2016 19.13 EDT

Donald Trump has pledged to change the libel laws in a way that could undermine the first amendment and the freedom of the press.
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Speaking at a rally in Fort Worth, Texas, on Friday, shortly after accepting an endorsement from New Jersey governor Chris Christie, Trump pledged if elected president to “open up our libel laws so when [newspapers] write purposely negative stories … we can sue them and make lots of money”.

This move, he said, would mean that “when the New York Times or the Washington Post writes a hit piece, we can sue them”.

Since the American revolution, freedom of the press has been a key principle in American public life, with truth long established as an absolute defense to any accusation of libel.

The first amendment states that “Congress shall make no law … abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press”. It is a foundation stone of democracy in the United States.

This was most recently asserted by the supreme court in 1964, in a unanimous decision in New York Times v Sullivan. The court held that any public figure suing for libel must prove that a defamatory statement was made with actual malice, “with knowledge that it was false or with reckless disregard of whether it was false or not”.

Trump seems intent on making US libel law more like the far more oppressive free-speech laws in the UK. There, the burden is on the defendant to prove the truth of every statement made. A plaintiff does not need to show any actual harm.

In the US, the burden is on the plaintiff. Under New York Times v Sullivan, a plaintiff must show actual malice as well.

Asked on Friday if the candidate thought the supreme court case had been decided wrongly, the Trump campaign did not immediately respond.

A Trump administration could appoint supreme court justices pledged to undermine the first amendment. However, it is unlikely that any credible judge or legal scholar would endorse Trump’s views on the freedom of the press.

Trump has long had a tortured relationship with the media. Although he goes out of his way to seek publicity, he calls reporters out at his rallies, often by name, as “dishonest”.

He also has defended dictators like Vladimir Putin from accusations of killing journalists, saying there is no proof. Russia has one of the least free presses in the world. According to politifact.com, at least 34 journalists have been killed there since 2000.
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
Well, the Second Amendment is pretty cut and dried for it supporters too, and the Demonrats have no trouble trampling all over it at every opportunity. "Free speech" means nothing without the power to back it up - welcome to the party all of a sudden.

As I said, government always betters someone intentionally or unintentionally with its power. I'd as soon see the bashing go the other way for a while.

And YES, this is the very definition of party politics. Again - welcome to the party.
 

TammyinWI

Talk is cheap
I for one really value the first and second amendments. They do go together...good correlation, Dozdoats.

That party is not one I want to attend.
 
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