Multiple Sclerosis and Alternative treatment vs Standard meds

Lilbitsnana

On TB every waking moment
I would like any and all information on this subject. Both alt and standardized treatment.

On Tuesday, July 12th, I was diagnosed with MS. There are further tests to take to determine at what stage/level I am. I am 41, and really don't want to have to take "injections" for treatment if necessary. Sorry I can't be more specific about injections of what, they haven't told me yet. Depends on the advancement level. But while I was at the MS site to see what the heck MS really was (totally in the dark about this) I noticed some articles on vitamins/minerals that could possibly be good and/or bad. Apparently MS is the result of an over-stimulated immune system?

Does anyone know about MS? I know that eventually I will "learn as I go", but I don't like to go into the unknown without some expectation of what may or may not be there.

Thanks.
 

Brooks

Membership Revoked
Lilbit, that's a bummer! I know very little about it, but from the experience of a co-worker, keeping stress under control, getting enough sleep, etc., will be very important.

This article may be of interest to you:

http://www.homeopathy.ca/articles/multiple_sclerosis.html

Andre Saine is reknown for being able to work successfully with MS patients, but absolutely not something you could prescribe for yourself.

Good luck!
 

Lilbitsnana

On TB every waking moment
Thanks Brooks.

I took a glance at the link, and added it to my MS folder I created in my favorites. I have so much to read and learn. I feel like I am going into Kindergarten and being told I will graduate college next year. So much to learn, and I know so little.
 

SwampMom

Swamp stomping maniac
Bless your heart, Lilbitsnana

A bit overwhelming, isn't it? So much information, sometimes conflicting. Give yourself time to digest all of it slowly. I was diagnosed at 41 as "probable" MS based on signs and symptoms (and elimination tests for everything else) without MRI. Neurologist offered Betaseron (injectable) if I wanted aggressive treatment options. It was new, but trials were promising. Pricey, though. I decided to wait and see. I'm a lot older now. More than ten years, actually. And I do okay. Thankfully, I have relapsing-remitting and quite mild. I manage without medical intervention and with alternatives.

I have a friend that is chronic-progressive. He, of course, is on the Betaseron.

The link Brooks provided has the most excellent info on a single page I've ever seen. Took me years of reading and trial and error to figure some of that stuff out.

If you have specific questions, feel free to PM me. I am not a medical person, so I can't give advice. But I would be most happy to share my personal experiences. Even though it may seem like you've been handed a sentance, it's really just a new way to do things. Rest, stress management, nutrition, heat management, scheduling, are just a few simple things that will make a world of difference.
Let me know if I can help. I care.
 

Lilbitsnana

On TB every waking moment
yes SwampMom, totally overwhelming. I am glad yours' is a mild version. All these years have gone to doc (different ones as we moved), and they either didn't know, diagnosed it as something else, etc. The last episode, the doc said a virus, but the insurance insisted I go to a neurologist (go figure, they did something good). She said right off it was either stroke or MS. Had all my blood taken out and tested (ok exagerrated a little, it was only 22 tubes, some big, some small). Had two MRIs and a ultrasound of my carotid (sp?) artery.

That narrowed it down to MS. Next step, spinal tap, and some stimulation tests (three of them). Guess this will give her a heads up on the stage/progression level? Still haven't got any info from the MS Society, just diag Tues, so too soon for mail to get here. I have a local chapter here in town, she will send me some info that she said the regional chapter won't send me. Including info on vitamins and minerals.

DH has been doing as much research as me, and asked if we should sell the house and move to something smaller. (have had trouble keeping our house appx 3k sq ft, cleaned for the last few months.) get one section cleaned, by the time I'm not too tired to clean the rest, the first section needs cleaning again. He thought I was just getting lazy, and honestly I had started to wonder myself. So many symptoms, and still have to figure out what is MS, and what is like MS but something else.......aaarghhhhhhh!

But, when I prayed, I promised that I would "handle" anything as long as it wasn't something that was contagious ie. polio, TB, sars whatever. The Lord came thru and answered my prayer, so now, I will handle it. I don't feel whiny, or "oh, woe is me", but I am very curious. Just so much to learn and too little time.

Okay, this steam release has gone on long enough.

Thank you all for your comments/suggestions. Any future advise/info is appreciated also.
 

Lilbitsnana

On TB every waking moment
Brooks, I just wanted to thank you again for the link. I finally took the time to read the MS section. It was like they wrote it about me! unfortunately i was in the advancing unusual category for a lot of it, but still it was great. Except that it looks like I might have to give up my two favorite drinks........ice tea and Dr. Pepper!
 

MtnGal

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I too have relapsing-remitting that is mild most of the time. I refused the "big" drugs from the beginning.

The biggest complaint is exhaustion and heat intolerance.

I was a big coffee drinker, a habit hard to break. I found it may give you bursts of energy, but in the long run it zapped energy. Even decaf has something in it that is not good for MS.

Emotional disturbances and stress all seem to be "a big thing" and zap me in a second. Learn to find that quiet place within to refresh yourself. If you don't find that quiet place you will find depression creeps in. Please don't allow that, went through it and it took me a while to realize it was a self imposed prison and dangerous.

I have the eye problems where it takes a couple seconds for the eyes to focus at a distance. Not bad enough to be a hazard by any means, just aggravating.

I use Cayenne for the pain. it also keeps the blood vessels open.

Like SwampMom said: "Even though it may seem like you've been handed a sentance, it's really just a new way to do things. Rest, stress management, nutrition, heat management, scheduling, are just a few simple things that will make a world of difference."

Best of luck. I'm here if you want to PM me at any time day or night.
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
Check out MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS AND CURCUMIN.

Curcumin is the active ingredient in Turmeric (a spice) The spice only contains 2-6% curcumin so theraputic use of curcumin requires obtaining Turmeric 95% curcumin from the Herbal suppliers.

The BEST part of it all is that you can get this from your herbal supplier (like iherb.com). IT IS NOT ADVISED FOR PERSONS WITH BILE DUCT PROBLEMS, PREGNANT PERSONS. Otherwise no side effects, no known overdose level. No drug interactions either. Normal dose is one 500 mg tablet 3 times a day. It has completely stopped my Rheumatoid Arthritis flare-ups.

Here is only one of MANY articles pointing to the help and hope this spice ingredient promises for MS patients, and ALL persons with AUTO-IMMUNE DISEASES.
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curcumin

Curcumin (Diferuloylmethane) is a compound found in the Indian curry spice, tumeric.

It has been discovered that people in India have a very low incidence of neurological diseases and researchers have attempted to find out why this is. They have looked at the spice, tumeric, which was known from traditional Indian medicine as an anti-inflammatory agent effective in wound healing. Research using curcumin, the active ingredient of tumeric, in EAE, a mouse model of multiple sclerosis, has shown that it may be of benefit to people with MS.

Curcumin is not to be confused with cumin which is a completely different spice with a similar name.

There are a number of scientific papers which have looked at how curcumin might help with neurodegenerative diseases. Among the beneficial effects that curcumin may have are:

* Inhibiting the passage of a type of white blood cell called a macrophage into the brain from the blood. This normally happens by the macrophage sticking to the "endothelial cells" on the inside of the blood vessels.
* Blocking a body tissue reshaping protein called MMP-9 which is known to be involved in process of myelin destruction done in MS.
* Inhibiting the release of a signalling molecule called TNF-a which is also involved in the damage caused by MS.
* Reducing oxidative activity in glial cells.

More work has shown that piperine, the spice in black pepper, increases the bio-availability of curcumin by 2,000%.

It is unclear how much curcumin/tumeric one should eat to get the maximum benefit. This is early days but some people are using 1.5 grams (about a teaspoon) of tumeric per day. You can buy curcumin/tumeric in capsule form although I am unsure whether anyone makes curcumin capsules with piperine in them.

Curcumin links:
Curry spice may fight multiple sclerosis
The Spice of Life - Unlocking the power of curcumin
Piperin Home page
Curcuma longa (turmeric). Monograph.
Curcumin inhibiting of TNF-mediated adhesion of monocytes to endothelial cells
Curcumin inhibiting of macrophage TNF-alpha release
Effect of curcumin and capsaicin on rat macrophages metabolism
Curcumin inhibiting differentiation in human endothelial cells
Curcumin and oxidative activity astrocyte cells
Regulation of IL-1 mediated MMP-9 expression in mesangial cells
Influence of piperine on curcumin in animals and humans
Immunomodulatory activity of curcumin
MS Glossary
Searchable MS Glossary
All About Multiple Sclerosis

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Lilbitsnana

On TB every waking moment
thanks MtnGal and "aintitfunny", I will look into your suggestions.

So far I have been taking certain vitamins and minerals that were suggested in a pamphlet the local MS Society chapter sent me. It seems to help.

Go for my additional testing on the 3rd. Get to do my spinal.........looking forward to that don'tca know. :kk1:
 

SmokeyBear

"Need to Know"
Do you both know that many cases of MS and ALS and other major diseases are misdiagnosed and are really Lyme disease cases and that most doctors and health insurance companies do not wish to quantify/acknowledge/admit this?


SwampMom said:
Bless your heart, Lilbitsnana

A bit overwhelming, isn't it? So much information, sometimes conflicting. Give yourself time to digest all of it slowly. I was diagnosed at 41 as "probable" MS based on signs and symptoms (and elimination tests for everything else) without MRI. Neurologist offered Betaseron (injectable) if I wanted aggressive treatment options. It was new, but trials were promising. Pricey, though. I decided to wait and see. I'm a lot older now. More than ten years, actually. And I do okay. Thankfully, I have relapsing-remitting and quite mild. I manage without medical intervention and with alternatives.

I have a friend that is chronic-progressive. He, of course, is on the Betaseron.

The link Brooks provided has the most excellent info on a single page I've ever seen. Took me years of reading and trial and error to figure some of that stuff out.

If you have specific questions, feel free to PM me. I am not a medical person, so I can't give advice. But I would be most happy to share my personal experiences. Even though it may seem like you've been handed a sentance, it's really just a new way to do things. Rest, stress management, nutrition, heat management, scheduling, are just a few simple things that will make a world of difference.
Let me know if I can help. I care.
 

SmokeyBear

"Need to Know"
Tallahassee Democrat
Posted on Mon, Jul. 25, 2005

It starts with a tick
A tiny bite infects people with Lyme disease, which, if undetected,
can cause serious health problems

By Kathleen Laufenberg
DEMOCRAT STAFF WRITER

Forget Dracula. Beware the bite of the tiny tick.

Some of these bloodsucking parasites can leave you with more than a
creepy-crawly feeling or painful bite. Some transmit diseases,
including Lyme, an inflammatory illness that can appear first as a
rash, headache and fever and later as arthritis, neurological damage
and cardiac abnormalities.

"I think it's a huge problem," said Elizabeth Markovich, a family
nurse practitioner in Tallahassee who treats people with Lyme. "It
can be very hard to diagnose," particularly in people who have
unknowingly had it for a long time.

Lyme sufferers include writer Amy Tan, who spoke in Tallahassee in
February, and former Florida State University quarterback Wyatt
Sexton, diagnosed earlier this month. Tan, author of "The Joy Luck
Club," went undiagnosed for several years and had advanced symptoms
that included hallucinations and outbursts bizarre enough to make
her think she had Alzheimer's disease. Sexton was involuntarily
hospitalized in June after police found him on Spoonwood Drive
referring to himself as God.

Not surprisingly, when people exhibiting such strange behavior say
they have Lyme disease, the finding can become an eye-rolling
controversy. Some doctors don't give credence to a Lyme diagnosis in
such cases - or in cases involving people who can't recall a tick
bite, who exhibit generic symptoms such as fatigue and headache, or
who complain of problems associated with simply growing older, such
as arthritis and forgetfulness. Some insurance companies also refuse
to pay for the more comprehensive - and expensive - tests for
detecting Lyme.

Further complicating the picture here in the South is that Lyme
traditionally has been connected with tick bites in the North.

Yet in the wake of Sexton's headline-grabbing diagnosis, other
Tallahasseeans with Lyme disease came forward to tell their stories.
They want more people - including doctors and insurance managers -
to be aware of the disease and its wide range of symptoms.

A prompt diagnosis

In a classic case of Lyme - so named for its 1977 discovery in a
group of arthritic children living in Lyme, Conn. - the infected
person finds a tick and removes it. According to most accounts, the
tick needs to be attached at least 24 hours. It doesn't need to be
big; tiny seed ticks transmit the disease, too, and are considered
the big culprits. Because of the seed ticks' size, people are less
likely to spot them.

A week to 10 days after the tick is removed, a red, bull's-eye-
shaped rash (usually in the area of the bite) appears. The CDC says
about 80 percent of those bitten will get such a rash; Markovich
said it's more like 40 percent. Along with the rash come profound
fatigue, fever, headache, stiff neck, joint pain and muscle aches.

Stan Rosenthal, a Tallahassee forester, recently experienced those
classic symptoms - except he didn't see a rash - about a week after
he removed a tiny tick from his belly button. He probably picked up
the tick the day before, he said, while guiding Girl Scouts on a
nature walk.

"I started feeling achy.... I went to bed, waking up on and off all
night and not feeling very good. The next morning, I got up and had
a headache along with a (100.8-degree) fever, and I was real achy."

Because the 46-year-old is a longtime forester, he has sat through
Lyme training. And he knows about 10 people who have the disease. So
eventually, as he thought about his symptoms, "I said, 'Wow! I
wonder if I've got Lyme disease?'

"I've been bit by ticks many times before," he added, so Lyme wasn't
the first thing to pop into his mind.

He consulted a doctor, who confirmed Rosenthal's self-diagnosis. The
forester began taking oral antibiotics and is finally beginning to
feel better. According to the Centers for Disease Control, when Lyme
is promptly diagnosed, three to four weeks of oral antibiotics is
generally enough to knock it out.

Rosenthal said he expects a full recovery.

'A nightmare'

For Terry Nardo and Lynne Willson, the road to a Lyme diagnosis was
more like a meandering, potholed trail.

Neither can recall a tick bite or a bull's-eye rash, the key
information that often triggers testing for Lyme.

Instead, Nardo's problems began two years ago at work. As a team
coordinator at Benedict Engineering, she uses a transcription
machine that requires pressing down a pedal. Although she didn't
remember injuring her right foot, the 44-year-old started having
problems pressing the pedal down. The weakness got worse - and worse.

"It got bad enough that people were asking, 'What's wrong with you?
Why are you limping?' ... I knew deep down there was something
wrong."

Her first stop was to her primary-care doctor, then to a specialist
who later left her a recorded message saying she had an autoimmune
disease, possibly lupus.

"I was devastated," said Nardo, who got the message at work. "I was
in shock."

Next, she saw a rheumatologist.

"He said, 'Oh, you don't have lupus or any blood disorder.'"

He sent her to a neurologist. She underwent a battery of tests,
including five MRIs, and was told she had peripheral neuropathy.

Nardo's symptoms kept getting worse. Finally, she took the advice of
a co-worker and got tested for Lyme. The tests came back negative.
She requested the more comprehensive tests. Her health insurance
wouldn't pay for them, she said, so she did.

They came back positive for Lyme. Now she's on antibiotics - and
relieved to have what she says is a correct diagnosis. How long
she'll have to take the drugs, she doesn't know. But some doctors
say such patients need antibiotics a year or longer.

In the meantime, she tires easily. Her balance is poor. She has
fallen. She fears falling again. On bad days, she even uses the
walls to help her walk down hallways.

"It's been a nightmare."

More study

Willson, 50, was finally diagnosed with Lyme two years ago - after
being misdiagnosed with leukemia and other ailments and seeing
various doctors for years. Her symptoms today include arthritis and
foot and leg pains. She has trouble driving because it's hard to
move her neck. She also has memory problems.

"There have been times when I thought I was really losing my mind,"
she said.

When she was finally diagnosed, "I was blown away," she said. "I
started reading about Lyme and it was all there, in the literature.
All the pieces of the puzzle started fitting together."

Now she faces problems getting her health insurance to continue
paying for the antibiotic treatments. One further complication in
her case is that both her grown children have been treated for Lyme.
Willson is convinced she gave it to them in utero. The CDC has not
stated conclusively that Lyme can be transmitted that way.

Willson said she thinks she got the disease when she was about 11.
One of her thighs swelled to nearly twice its normal size, and
doctors nearly amputated. Eventually, the swelling subsided and she
went home. Now, she said, she thinks the swelling was caused by a
tick bite that gave her Lyme disease.

"There are probably many people," Markovich said, "who have been
exposed to it and have never gotten sick. And there are probably
different strains of it."

Both of Willson's children have been treated. She has, too, but said
she needs more.

Amid the controversy that surrounds the disease, however, one thing
seems clear: More study is needed on Lyme.


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Lilbitsnana

On TB every waking moment
thanks for the info on Lyme disease. I didn't know what the symptoms were. I never had a tick on me for more than 2 or 3 hours in my life. Mom was a big one for checking for ticks, and I never had a rash, fever or anything after having a tick on/in me. I will ask my doc if it is possible.

I had my "spinal", doc called it a "lp?" I think. It hurt, but not near as bad as I was led to believe. In fact the biggest "hurt" was when she hit a nerve (twice!). I have a little "crook" in my lower spine where I have some discs/vertebrae problems, once she moved above that point she was done before I thought she had started.

Did well on the hearing test, not very well on the visual. Have to repeat it on the 15th, because my right eye did "very poor", and she wants to make sure the reading was accurate. Will be about two weeks before the results from the spinal and the blood work are back.
 

SmokeyBear

"Need to Know"
Many people afflicted with diagnosed, misdiagnosed and undiagnosed lyme disease -- if not most people -- never ever recall a tick or its bite or a rash. Do some research on the net and you will see. Doctors are not educated in this disease and how hard it is to detect even with many blood tests and how sly it is in mimicing other diseases that doctors much prefer to treat or manage.

It is an epidemic in many parts of the world.
 

SmokeyBear

"Need to Know"
MS or Lyme Disease? Lyme Mimics MS and Other Diseases

08/28/2005

Misdiagnosis causes months of confusion for Lyme sufferer
By CHRISTINE PALUF , The Herald Press

BRISTOL -- Melissa St. James has spent her fair share of time at hospitals lately, and it’s not only because she works in one.

Since April, she, her husband and her children have all been diagnosed with Lyme disease. What made matters worse was that St. James was originally diagnosed in November of last year as having Multiple Sclerosis, a far more debilitating, expensive and serious condition -- especially for someone without insurance coverage.

"My doctor told me, ‘You have MS, and the injections are $1,500 a month,’" St. James said. "Let me know how you’ll do that.’

"I just started crying," St. James said. "I’ve worked in nursing homes. I’ve seen 40-year-olds with MS."

"I asked him if it could be Lyme disease. He said, ‘Absolutely not.’ I asked if he was ever wrong, if he ever misdiagnosed. His answer was, ‘Not often but occasionally,’" St. James said. "I don’t blame him for not knowing. ... He was an older doctor. ..But no one ever told me that Lyme imitated MS ... (Not even) in nursing school."

"The individual symptoms don’t add up," St. James explained. "They’re vague, so they don’t get put together."

St. James sought a second opinion. That doctor listened to her inquiries about whether she could have Lyme disease. He too, however, discounted her information and reaffirmed her original diagnosis.

"He told me, ‘That’s great, you should be a research nurse -- but you’re wrong. And if you don’t take these shots you’ll be in a wheelchair.’"

St. James was fortunate enough that her church and local organizations such as Price Chopper were able to raise money to help reduce the cost of the medication.

After taking injections for three and a half months, not only was St. James not improving, her symptoms were getting worse. After seeing a neurologist in January, she was told that that the exacerbations, sudden worsening of MS symptoms, that rendered her unable to walk, usually only occurred about two times a year in most MS cases. St. James was having the attacks every six weeks.

The muscle and joint pain was compounded by chronic fatigue. Daily tasks such as cooking and cleaning became nearly impossible.

"I have three kids, I’ve never had a problem with energy," St. James explained. "My mother would have to come over once a week to clean my house, and she would tell me that I needed to nap in the afternoons. I’m 31, who wants to nap?"

Confusion was another aspect of the disease that St. James believes contributed to a car accident she had in January.

"There’s this brain fog, you’re not as sharp. I was having speech difficulty -- my words would get confused. I’d want to say picnic table and I’d say play pen. The way my husband and kids would look at me ... I just couldn’t live like that anymore. One day I just decided I was stopping the injections," St. James said. "They weren’t helping me. Out of the sky, it popped into my head ..Lyme disease ..The Lord just put it on my brain."

St. James weened herself off of pain medication and anti-spasmatic medication as well.

"I was really scared, I had that wheelchair in the back of my mind," St. James said.

After discontinuing the shots, St. James found a "Lyme-literate" doctor, recommended to her by a friend who had a similar misdiagnosis. This doctor listened to her input and finally tested her for Lyme disease. He then started her on antibiotics, commonly prescribed for a few weeks to treat the disease. However, when symptoms persist, they can be used for longer periods of time.

"Within two and a half months I had 90 percent resolution of symptoms," St. James said. "My attitude changed immediately."

"There was no more limping, no numb leg dragging along. The pins and needles from my hips to my feet were so bad I used to get sick to my stomach ... I haven’t had that feeling in so long," she said, smiling. "It was a complete turn-around."

Lyme disease can be very difficult to detect.

"Various medical research has reported lyme borrelia as a stealth pathogen that can hide in immune cells," according to the Greater Hartford Lyme Disease Support and Action Group.

Problems with false negatives and false positives with the most commonly used tests, ELISA and the Western Blot, can cause confusion.

According to the commercial lab Quest Diagnostics of Wallingford, "A negative Western Blot interpretation does not exclude the possibility of infection with B. burgdorferi (the Lyme bacteria)."

When the test results come back negative, the common tendency is to rule Lyme out completely and look for another cause. However, the longer the disease is misdiagnosed or not found, the harder it is to reverse it.

Symptoms of Lyme disease can also easily be attributed to other diseases. And the initial flu-like stage with fatigue, headache, muscle aches and fever, or the nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, dizziness and vision changes are common to many other ailments.

For someone without insurance, it can be even more of a challenge to find the cause of the pain and discomfort that Lyme disease can cause.

St. James’ friend of 15 years was diagnosed as having MS at the beginning of their friendship, and has spent the past 10 years in a wheelchair. Upon St. James suggestion, she was examined and tested for Lyme disease. The tests came back positive.

"I’ve never seen someone so happy to have Lyme disease," St. James said. "..But they did four tests on my girlfriend [who had insurance] and they only did one on me."

St. James current doctor treats her the best he can with the resources that are available to him.

"My doctor told me he could treat me so much better with insurance," St. James said.

"Lyme is the easiest and cheapest solution," St. James said. "But these autoimmune diseases are big money makers. And Lyme doesn’t give the money to the drug companies. No one said that for $35 a month in antibiotics instead of $1,500 in daily injections, I’d be getting better."

Since her diagnosis was corrected, St. James has few lingering medical issues. Unfortunately, the bills related to her misdiagnosis are one of them.

"I owe UConn thousands of dollars when I got no help. The (neurologist) put me on Prednisone, which is the worst thing for a bacterial infection because it suppresses the immune system. I got worse, so I weened myself off it," St. James said. "There was no follow-up from my doctor. But I do get his bills."

Yet her resolve is unchanged. St. James serves as a contact person for the Greater Hartford Lyme Disease Support & Action Group, www.ctlymedisease.org.

"This is important for people to know. At least I have the medical knowledge and the resources to know which direction to go in. What about people who don’t?" St. James said. "It upsets me that they’re just left hanging. I want to equip the patient with the knowledge, because the doctors aren’t doing it."

"I just thank God so much that I have my life back," St. James said.


©The Bristol Press 2005

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Lilbitsnana

On TB every waking moment
okay, it's been a while now (several months), but here is a little update:

tests show I do not have Lyme disesase...........too bad, I had gotten to where I hoped I did, because Lyme disease can be treated/cured.

I have to go to a hematologist (I have thick blood.....runs in the family) and the UCLA specialist wants all other possibilities ruled out before she will say 100% that I have MS. However, because several of my symptoms are unusual and based on results of tests she ran, she wants to "watch/study" my progression/remission over time. An "unusual" case-study. My local neurologist still thinks I definitely have MS. I also have to have an MRI done on my spine, and some other tests for a more definitive diagnosis, and then another head MRI in 6 months.

My regular physician is starting to get irritated, because a) they aren't keeping her informed, even though records requests have been filed months ago; and b) I have been doing really well the last few months (besides my mini breakdown when I turned 42...:shk: ) that she thinks they need to wait until I have a flare up of symptoms again.

I have been taking vitamins and minerals, eliminated my beloved DrPepper (but not tea) and I feel better than I have in years. I have even lost 20 lbs...........DH likes that, but he says it doesn't make a difference to him what I way...........smart man sometimes ;)

So, technically, I am still in maybe/la la land as far knowing 100% what I have. I will keep treating myself as "MS" until diagnosed otherwise. Heck, I feel pretty good, and the change in lifestyle, eating/drinking habits, and vitamin regime certainly won't hurt me if I continue it even if I have something else. I also got some Bragg vinegar that I take daily, and that is when I really started feeling better. Maybe it was just a fluke, but even DH has started taking it, and he said he started noticing a difference after a couple of days.
 

SmokeyBear

"Need to Know"
Hi Lilbitsnana.

It is a really long story, but to shorten it I need to tell you that you need to have the lyme disease test (specifically the IgM and IgG Western Blots) done by a California lab called Igenex. If there is any possibly way you can do this -- even if you find out it isn't lyme once again -- it will be good to know you had the best test because early treatment of lyme is crucial. Otherwise, lyme can be as incurable as MS. Here is a link http://www.igenex.com

They are experts in lyme disease and their tests and the way that they analyze results are simply superior to all the routine labs that rely on results that even the Center for Disease Control says they shouldn't go by. In other words, it is possible to have lyme and have many regular tests that tell you that you do not.

Two people I know have paid out of their own pockets for the Igenex tests (the 2 blots were about $99 each) even though the tests done by their own doctors with their labs and paid for by their medical insurance interpreted their lyme tests as negative. After months and years of misdiagnosis, both are now on antibiotics for lyme -- with one having advanced neurological lyme that other docs insisted was first lupus and then MS and time went by and they got sicker and sicker and could barely walk. The other person was finally diagnosed recently by Igenex and therapy was just started.

If you do research on the web, you can see that this happens over and over and over again to so many all over the world, but especially in the U.S. Also, you will see that the tests do not always tell you if you have lyme or not. The lyme bacteria are stealthy; they hide and mimic other bacteria. That is why Igenex has more accurate analysis guidelines as supported by the Center for Disease Control. Even the CDC tells the other regular labs to NOT rely on their own (the CDC's) liberal analysis lyme guidelines yet most labs do so anyway.

This is one reason why many lyme victims are not diagnosed in a timely fashion. And when time goes by, lyme disease is harder to cure and sometimes it cannot be cured.

The California lab Igenex sends out test kits to people who call them, and then you find a doc willing to take the blood and send it in.

Also, Yahoo groups has some good lyme disease discussion groups that have a wealth of information on lyme and the difficulties in evaluating the tests.

Please keep us updated on your progress and best wishes to you. I know you are carrying a heavy burden and you have my prayers. Dealing with any major disease is overwhelming especially when you are not sure what it is.


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