REL GENRL Mormon underwear?

[optimistic pessimist]

Back to the topic of the thread....if the candidates decide to do the debates in their underwear this year, it might prove entertaining.

 

[Ender]

Back to the topic of the thread....if the candidates decide to do the debates in their underwear this year, it might prove entertaining.

Ron Paul is still the one in the best of shape.

 

[Dennis Olson]

Some of you are confusing the Temples with chapels. Temples are for sacred rites, while chapels are for Sabbath worship, and are open to all.

 

[TerryK]

I have a question on LDS beliefs for any LDS member.
What about the Trinity? Are there 3 seperate and distinct Gods or is there one true God? In other words is the Trinity like it is explained in other religions or is God the Father, Jesus and the Holy Ghost three seperate Gods?
Also was there a spiritual Jesus before he was born in his physical body? Was Satan Jesus's spiritual brother before he was thrown out?

There is a lot of negative stuff out on the web about this, but since these are the things the news will be bringing up, I would like to know from an LDS what LDS beliefs are about this. Thanks,

 

[FarmerJohn]

You don't have to be a Mormon to know that's it's still considered somewhat rude to appear overly concerned about other peoples' underwear or even lack thereof.

 

[naturallysweet]

Every religion has something that appears funny from those outside of it.

Does your religion require:

A specific belt?
For men to wear a beard?
For women to stay covered?
For people to walk around without clothes?
For people to paint their faces?
For members of the clergy to wear funny costumes?
For men to carry weapons at all times?

Seriously, how childish is it to complain about someone's underwear. As long as they aren't demanding that I wear it, and no-one is harmed by it, then why would I care?

 

[TerryK]

Every religion has something that appears funny from those outside of it.

Does your religion require:

A specific belt?
For men to wear a beard?
For women to stay covered?
For people to walk around without clothes?
For people to paint their faces?
For members of the clergy to wear funny costumes?
For men to carry weapons at all times?

Seriously, how childish is it to complain about someone's underwear. As long as they aren't demanding that I wear it, and no-one is harmed by it, then why would I care?

How right you are!!!

 

[TimeTraveler]

On MSNBC, there was a discussion on about Mormon belief's because that is Romney's religion. One item they talked about was "Mormon underwear" which strikes me as rather bizarre.

Question: Is this accurate? That there is something called "Mormon underwear"? Or is this just an urban legend? If there is, how is it different from just plain old underwear? What is the religious significance?
FA

Hey, maybe they're just "Holy".

 

[Ender]

I have a question on LDS beliefs for any LDS member.
What about the Trinity? Are there 3 seperate and distinct Gods or is there one true God? In other words is the Trinity like it is explained in other religions or is God the Father, Jesus and the Holy Ghost three seperate Gods?
Also was there a spiritual Jesus before he was born in his physical body? Was Satan Jesus's spiritual brother before he was thrown out?

There is a lot of negative stuff out on the web about this, but since these are the things the news will be bringing up, I would like to know from an LDS what LDS beliefs are about this. Thanks,

Mormons believe in 3 separate beings: God the Father, Jesus Christ, who is His Only Begotten Son and is the Savior of Mankind and the Holy Ghost, who is here to guide and inspire.

Jesus Christ was a spiritual being before His earthly birth.

Mormons believe that we are all brothers and sisters and were all Children of God before we came to this Earth, so in that sense, Lucifer is Jesus' brother but also everyone's brother, as well. Lucifer was a mighty angel, who fell because of pride- as I explained on an earlier post; he did not start out a bad guy.

 

[TerryK]

Mormons believe in 3 separate beings: God the Father, Jesus Christ, who is His Only Begotten Son and is the Savior of Mankind and the Holy Ghost, who is here to guide and inspire.

Jesus Christ was a spiritual being before His earthly birth.

Mormons believe that we are all brothers and sisters and were all Children of God before we came to this Earth, so in that sense, Lucifer is Jesus' brother but also everyone's brother, as well. Lucifer was a mighty angel, who fell because of pride- as I explained on an earlier post; he did not start out a bad guy.

Just as Jesus is our brother. I find that explanation easier to comprehend than the mystery of the Trinity.
Thanks Ender, were you raised LDS or just learned by association with LDS?

 

[MtnGal]

Very informative. I can understand temples, no problem. One of these days I'll set down with someone who is a practicing Mormon and have a great talk and listening session.

As long as a true Mormon believes in Christ and tries to be Christlike I have no problem with the rest of the doctrine. All the different sects of Christianity have their own doctrines.

I have friends of other beliefs who sadly do not believe in Christ as the Son of God. Yet they are probably more Christlike than a lot of Christians.

There is no doubt Obama is an antichrist of this time. He isn't the 'big' boy, at least not yet. LOL

 

[Ender]

Just as Jesus is our brother. I find that explanation easier to comprehend than the mystery of the Trinity.
Thanks Ender, were you raised LDS or just learned by association with LDS?

Part of my family is LDS.

 

[Dennis Olson]

We believe that Jesus is the Christ, the only Son of God, and only through belief and faith in Him and His sacrifice can we return to our Heavenly Father when this life is through. We believe that before we were born, we elected to come to Earth in this life to exercise our free agency and go through the trials and testing that is life.

 

[gawarriorqueen]

We believe that Jesus is the Christ, the only Son of God, and only through belief and faith in Him and His sacrifice can we return to our Heavenly Father when this life is through.

This is indeed what the Bible teaches. Too bad so many of the established religions no longer teach this. Presiding Bishop Jefforts-Schori of the Episcopal Church has written that there are many ways to salvation that do not go through Christ, and has even questioned Jesus' divinity.

After seeing how that church was falling into the abyss of political correctness, many of us could no longer give our time, talents or treasure to the Episcopalian church. We left and became Anglicans ... no longer subject to Mrs. Jefferts-Schori or her fallen-away bishops. The time is fast approaching when all of us will stand before our Maker and explain our choices. I want to be able to do so with a clear conscience. No human is perfect, and I am a looooong way from it, but my God requires that I read and follow scripture, so I'm doing my best to live into His requirements.

 

[theoriginaldeb]

. . . The Mormons purport to worship Jesus Christ and be saved by His blood . . .
The bulls, and the fount, etc. It also would not surprise me if the Old Testament had some descriptions of something similar. . .
. . . The only thing that was stunning was the evident level of richness.

Yes . . .we worship Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior.

The twelve oxen which bear the weight of the baptismal fonts in the Temples are representative of the Twelve Tribes of Israel--Gods ancient covenant people. They are fashioned after the same pattern as was in the ancient Temple in Jerusalem.
The Temples are stunning and rich simply because they are The House of the Lord.

 

[Laurane]

Back to the underwear........"making the undergarments a religious/political doctrine/ gesture certainly aids in control of said person"

You have it backwards.......wearing the garments "certainly aids said person to control him/herself"............sometimes a person really has to think deeply before taking off the garments in certain situations, and that can actually stop someone from making a self-destructive decision.

 

[Barry Natchitoches]

Mitt is a lost soul. The man is IMO scum. There can be scum in any faith. They'll all dead in sin without repentance. And there is NO WAY Mittens will ever repent. (And I WILL NOT VOTE FOR HIM.)

You can never become "godlike" in THIS life. Your goal should be self-perfection, and by that I mean trying as hard as you can to be Christlike.

Amen, Brother !!!

 

[Barry Natchitoches]

Doesn't sound very sharing...and what "they" do in their Temples does become an interest to me if we're considering a follower for our President...no one's asking anyone to bare their soul or break a vow, just a good idea of the basic workings is all anyone seeems to be asking.

I have been inside an LDS temple, and participated in the activities within, hundreds of times during my adult life.


I can assure you that there is NOTHING that happens within an LDS temple that would ever have anything to do with what happens in the White House, EVEN IF Mitt Romney was an honest, true believing, religious to the core LDS person.


Which, by the way, he is not.


He's about as authentic when it comes to his LDS religion as he is a southerner when it comes to his diet of "cheesy grits"...


Or, let's put it another way,


He's about as authentic when it comes to his LDS religion as Obozo is to his "Christianity."


Neither one of these men are who they claim to be, when it comes to their claims concerning how their religious beliefs govern their personal lives.


And if they don't live their religious beliefs in their own personal lives, what would EVER make us think that they would carry their religious beliefs on to their actions if/when they get to the White House?


The only religion either one of these chaps knows and lives is politics.

 

[Barry Natchitoches]

Back to the underwear........"making the undergarments a religious/political doctrine/ gesture certainly aids in control of said person"

You have it backwards.......wearing the garments "certainly aids said person to control him/herself"............sometimes a person really has to think deeply before taking off the garments in certain situations, and that can actually stop someone from making a self-destructive decision.

True, and very much to the point.


I suspect the garments have probably helped many a man stop before he got himself in trouble, though it isn't something that folks freely chat about before Elders Quorum meeting...

 

[Harbinger]

At least Mormons don't incorporate explosives into their undergarments. /sarcasm Is it really such a big deal what kind of underwear Romney wears?

With all due respect, no, the underwear isn't the issue. The secrecy that surrounds the Mormon religion to which Romney professes; much like the secrecy that surrounds the current president is the issue.

 

[Ender]

With all due respect, no, the underwear isn't the issue. The secrecy that surrounds the Mormon religion to which Romney professes; much like the secrecy that surrounds the current president is the issue.

Bad answer- read the entire thread before you start rehashing what has already been answered.

 

[momof23goats]

OK they [the media] are so worried about what Mitt wears or doesn't wear ,but they don't give a hoot if obama was born in america to american parents, or if he actually became or renewed his citizenship after his step father adopted him, and he became a citizen of indonesia, and what his grades really were in college? some thing is wrong here.

 

[Harbinger]

Your endowment is to receive all those ordinances in the house of the Lord which are necessary for you, after you have departed this life, to enable you to walk back to the presence of the Father, passing the angels who stand as sentinels, being enabled to give them the keywords, the signs and tokens, pertaining to the holy priesthood, and gain your eternal exaltation in spite of earth and hell.

--Brigham Young

John 3:16

King James Version (KJV)

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Uh huh, no disrespect intended, but...... I don't see any secret word, code or handshake as Brigham Young suggests......

As per the Bible if a person believes that Jesus died for their sins, that He rose on the third day, that He took their sins upon Himself; they are washed in His blood and they have eternal life with the Father...........No secret code needed.......No secret password.

 

[Harbinger]

Bad answer- read the entire thread before you start rehashing what has already been answered.

I see, I was being respectful and making a statement not a question and you respond to me with disdain and the view that I have no clue what I am talking about. I have read through most of the posts, so, please then, inform me why everyone keeps harping on the underwear brought up by the press, and failed to keep with the real issue of his character and where his values lie.

 

[prepgirl44]

Interesting thread. To say the least.

As for Mormon underwear, I could care less...nobody else's choice of underwear is my business...well unless as a nurse there is a medical reason for my needing to know (that happens) but otherwise what someone does or doesn't wear under their street clothes or to bed is not really my business.

Personally, I think that asking about someone's underwear is in poor taste. It is intrusive and downright rude. And even moreso when you know that it has to do with a persons spiritual beliefs. If one wants to know more about a specific religion and it's rituals, even as it pertains to electing a President, then do the research yourself. Geesh. It's not like Mormonism is some unheard of religion.


As for Mitt for president...well...from my perspective, he's definitely the lesser of two evils at this point.

I have lived my entire life in a town of three faiths: Mormon's, SDA's, and fundamental Christians. When speaking of good character, ethics and values, trustworthiness, respect for God, family and country, a Mormon will win hands down in my book.

You can count on a good Mormon to be honest and trustworthy and to have Godly values. Even the ones that are "Jack Mormon" and may drink coffee, and even smoke or drink, will not do something unethical or dishonest or disrepectful. They know they are accountable to God, and even in their "sin" they might break the rules and smoke or drink, but they just don't cross that line.

Sadly, I can't say that about even half the fundamental Christians or SDA's I know, let alone those that are "backslidden" or "Jack Christians" or Jack SDA's" if you will.

So yep, not my first choice maybe, but given my current choices, I will vote for Mitt. I will do so because O is an antichrist, no doubt in my mind, a pure demon spawn. And he's rapidly leading us to destruction. And that is his intent I believe (and Satan's). I'm not sure Mitt can fix it, but at least I don't think he is an antichrist....and maybe he will slow down our certain demise.

Do not misunderstand me. As a fundamental Christian, I do not agree with all that the Mormons believe. Good old Joseph Smith and what he added is the problem for me.....

When a religion starts to hold a man in almost as high esteem as God and sees him as a "prophet" and incorporates that man's teaching into the Word of God as divine and annoited teachings that must be followed as if from God, well, that spells trouble to me. (I have the same problem with the SDA's and Ellen G White, BTW.)

You see, I believe that the Holy Bible is the inspired word of God, and contains exactly what God wanted it to contain and exactly what He thinks we need. It's the rule book, not to be added to, and certainly not by some guy who saw an angel and became a "prophet". In fact, God specifically warns us against that in His Word.

So do Mormons think God made a mistake and left something out so, as an afterthought, He had to send a "prophet" to change up the Word and twist it up, and toss in some bizarre (not biblical) concepts and rules that are not contained in his Word originally?

I think not. He is God. He doesn't forget nor make mistakes.

But that is JMHO. To each their own...we are each individually accountable for our spiritual state and our relationship with our creator. I prefer to stick with the Word of God, and just the Word of God. But that's just me.

Still, even with my feelings about Mormonism, given the choice, I'll take the Mormon Mitt any day over O. At least a Mormon is seriously concerned about being accountable to God and doing the right thing, even if they do have certain unusual rituals and some add-on teachings that are clearly unscriptural.

Glad I live in a country that still has freedom of religion and freedom of speech. I believe Mitt Romney wants to preserve those freedoms. At least I hope so. And I know that O does not.

 

[Dennis Olson]

I see, I was being respectful and making a statement not a question and you respond to me with disdain and the view that I have no clue what I am talking about. I have read through most of the posts, so, please then, inform me why everyone keeps harping on the underwear brought up by the press, and failed to keep with the real issue of his character and where his values lie.

That may indeed be true, but the "secrecy" issue has been thoroughly addressed in the thread. had you actually gone through the thread and read the responses, you would understand. But it's clear that you didn't, and Ender is correct: you brought up a topic that has already been addressed. All he did was mention that fact. Now, if you go back and read the thread, you'll have gained some knowledge. Are you willing to do that...?

 

[Harbinger]

Kindness??? This thread certainly proves the hostility of Mormons and others when it suits their purpose........

No, the secrecy issue has not been thoroughly addressed; only in your opinion and in your mind. No, I reiterated and reminded folks of where the focus should be and what was actually important which is not the same thing as not following the thread. Failure on their part to stay with in those parameters does not constitute an attack by others nor does my addressing it poignantly. No, what Ender did was condescending by telling me what I had written was bad. It is in poor taste; in my opinion, for someone to tell another; about whom they know nothing, that their ideals, views, posts, or anything else about them is bad and to assume that that person does not have a clue or haven't read the thread. It is those few who feel inadequate under scrutiny and their inability to be civil among those outside the Mormon beliefs or out side their circle of friends that are causing frictions with in this particular thread. Now are you willing to remove your hostility and actually accept the criticism that is to be expected by others on your personal beliefs as Jesus said their would be or can we expect more of the same that their will be continuing attacks upon those who meant no disrespect and were having an enlightened discussion? This is another example of the art of discussion failing miserably due to public school indoctrination.

John 18:20

New International Version (NIV)

20 “I have spoken openly to the world,” Jesus replied. “I always taught in synagogues or at the temple, where all the Jews come together. I said nothing in secret.
Ephesians 5:11-12

New International Version (NIV)

11 Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 It is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret.

No disrespect towards you, Dennis, but this is what Jesus said about secrecy. Their are other verses that support this but these two state quite poignantly that secrets are not the way of Christ.

 

[nomadcrna]

And you know this about Romney how? Are you privvy to his intimate personal like? I'm just curious how you can make such a judgement without actually knowing the man.

I have been inside an LDS temple, and participated in the activities within, hundreds of times during my adult life.


I can assure you that there is NOTHING that happens within an LDS temple that would ever have anything to do with what happens in the White House, EVEN IF Mitt Romney was an honest, true believing, religious to the core LDS person.


Which, by the way, he is not.


He's about as authentic when it comes to his LDS religion as he is a southerner when it comes to his diet of "cheesy grits"...


Or, let's put it another way,


He's about as authentic when it comes to his LDS religion as Obozo is to his "Christianity."


Neither one of these men are who they claim to be, when it comes to their claims concerning how their religious beliefs govern their personal lives.


And if they don't live their religious beliefs in their own personal lives, what would EVER make us think that they would carry their religious beliefs on to their actions if/when they get to the White House?


The only religion either one of these chaps knows and lives is politics.

 

[DustMusher]

Harbinger ---

Nothing in the LDS temple practices are done or said which are NOT available in the writings of the Church or the writings of the Elders. All of these are available to those who would wish to read them.

If they are secret, it is only because YOU do not wish to see. The covenants between man and God are between the individual and God - not secret, but Sacred. Using your own logic, you must tell ALL of us every thought, desire in your heart and prayer and wish and promise you have made to God - otherwise it is in secret therefore 'deeds of darkness'.

DM

 

[bbbuddy]

Interesting thread. To say the least.

As for Mormon underwear, I could care less...nobody else's choice of underwear is my business...well unless as a nurse there is a medical reason for my needing to know (that happens) but otherwise what someone does or doesn't wear under their street clothes or to bed is not really my business.

Personally, I think that asking about someone's underwear is in poor taste. It is intrusive and downright rude. And even moreso when you know that it has to do with a persons spiritual beliefs. If one wants to know more about a specific religion and it's rituals, even as it pertains to electing a President, then do the research yourself. Geesh. It's not like Mormonism is some unheard of religion.


As for Mitt for president...well...from my perspective, he's definitely the lesser of two evils at this point.

I have lived my entire life in a town of three faiths: Mormon's, SDA's, and fundamental Christians. When speaking of good character, ethics and values, trustworthiness, respect for God, family and country, a Mormon will win hands down in my book.

You can count on a good Mormon to be honest and trustworthy and to have Godly values. Even the ones that are "Jack Mormon" and may drink coffee, and even smoke or drink, will not do something unethical or dishonest or disrepectful. They know they are accountable to God, and even in their "sin" they might break the rules and smoke or drink, but they just don't cross that line.

Sadly, I can't say that about even half the fundamental Christians or SDA's I know, let alone those that are "backslidden" or "Jack Christians" or Jack SDA's" if you will.

So yep, not my first choice maybe, but given my current choices, I will vote for Mitt. I will do so because O is an antichrist, no doubt in my mind, a pure demon spawn. And he's rapidly leading us to destruction. And that is his intent I believe (and Satan's). I'm not sure Mitt can fix it, but at least I don't think he is an antichrist....and maybe he will slow down our certain demise.

Do not misunderstand me. As a fundamental Christian, I do not agree with all that the Mormons believe. Good old Joseph Smith and what he added is the problem for me.....

When a religion starts to hold a man in almost as high esteem as God and sees him as a "prophet" and incorporates that man's teaching into the Word of God as divine and annoited teachings that must be followed as if from God, well, that spells trouble to me. (I have the same problem with the SDA's and Ellen G White, BTW.)

You see, I believe that the Holy Bible is the inspired word of God, and contains exactly what God wanted it to contain and exactly what He thinks we need. It's the rule book, not to be added to, and certainly not by some guy who saw an angel and became a "prophet". In fact, God specifically warns us against that in His Word.

So do Mormons think God made a mistake and left something out so, as an afterthought, He had to send a "prophet" to change up the Word and twist it up, and toss in some bizarre (not biblical) concepts and rules that are not contained in his Word originally?

I think not. He is God. He doesn't forget nor make mistakes.

But that is JMHO. To each their own...we are each individually accountable for our spiritual state and our relationship with our creator. I prefer to stick with the Word of God, and just the Word of God. But that's just me.

Still, even with my feelings about Mormonism, given the choice, I'll take the Mormon Mitt any day over O. At least a Mormon is seriously concerned about being accountable to God and doing the right thing, even if they do have certain unusual rituals and some add-on teachings that are clearly unscriptural.

Glad I live in a country that still has freedom of religion and freedom of speech. I believe Mitt Romney wants to preserve those freedoms. At least I hope so. And I know that O does not.

I agree with most of this, certainly what you wrote about the Bible...which is why I privately think of Mormons as being "post-Christian" in that they certainly added to the Word of God. They have "similar" Christian beliefs, but they aren't exactly Christian when it comes right down to it, or they wouldn't have felt the need to add to the sacred Word of God.

That said, I have Mormon relatives, as does my DH, AND we live in an area settled by Mormons and where there is a preponderance of Mormons.

They jumped on the land-rush bandwagon and started selling off their small town/ranching heritage as fast as they could during the land/housing bubble. I was very happy when the bubble burst because they were well on the way to becoming Kalifornicated.

Plenty of wonderful people here, BUT plenty of Mormons that lie, cheat, steal, do drugs, drink, swear, you name it. They are HUMAN after all, and have human problems.

But the good ones truly are good in that they at least TRY to do as the Good Book says, more than most Christians I have known.

I feel very comfortable here, a good place to be when TSHTF, because I know the Mormons will do what needs to be done to protect their communities....

 

[Dennis Olson]

Harbinger, you have no right to criticize either Mormons or any other Christian faith. You believe as you wish and welcome to do so. But leave the rest of us alone. that's as "nice" as I'm going to get with you. Choose...


ETA: There IS NO SECRECY in the LDS church. If you choose to believe otherwise, that is your right. But your "criticism" is baseless, so I can only conclude that you are engaging in a personal "hate-fest". That is NOT welcome.

 

[Dennis Olson]

they aren't exactly Christian when it comes right down to it


I'm sorry, but you need to elaborate on your personal view of "what makes a Christian." In the Lutheran church, of which I was a member up until age 24 or so, we were taught that a Christian is someone who accepted Christ as their personal Savior, and believed that the Bible is the Word of God. Since Mormons believe both of those things, what "extra" requirements are in your head regarding YOUR PERSONAL OPINION of what makes a Christian.

I'm all ears....

 

[Barry Natchitoches]

And you know this about Romney how? Are you privvy to his intimate personal like? I'm just curious how you can make such a judgement without actually knowing the man.

That is pretty easy to answer, actually.


A faithful and authentic, true LDS person -- while not perfect by any means -- strives to live a "higher standard" that includes, among other things, being honest with their fellow man and treating their fellow man -- even those of lesser means and those whom they do not know personally -- fairly.


Dennis posted a list of questions that all LDS members are asked before they can get (or have renewed) their temple recommend. An LDS member who actually LIVES their religion -- who actually incorporates their religious beliefs into their every day life -- can answer each of those questions honestly. And actually mean it.


The inconvenient truth is that not every LDS member who has a temple recommend answers every one of these questions truthfully. Those who lie on a regular basis in everyday life will also lie in the temple recommend interview. At times, these folks are so used to lying without thinking that they lie in the temple recommend interview and don't even think about it.


Also, those who are not fair and honest in their business dealings on a regular basis tend to lie in their temple recommend interview, and sometimes, they are so self centered that they don't even realize that they are lying.


These folks are LDS in name only. They might be card carrying members of the church, but they are not doing their best to follow the example of Christ in their every day life. Something that a genuine and authentic member of the church will be doing. Even if they are not perfect, and slip up from time to time, those who are true LDS are at least doing their best to try and follow the example of Christ. (BTW, all churches have alot of folks who try to live a life like Christ, and then a group of members who are "Sunday Christians" -- that is, show up for church all pious looking on Sunday, but then raise hell the other six days of the week. The LDS church doesn't have a monopoly on such hypocrites, by any means.)


Mitt Romney is ON RECORD for flip flopping so many times that it is obvious to even the casual observer that it is his habit of saying what ever he thinks people want to hear. As his audience changes, what he says changes.


This is so well known, and so well documented (how much video footage alone exist of him answering the same exact question in two totally different ways, depending on who his immediate audience is?) that it is a running joke among commedians such as Jay Leno, David Letterman, Jon Stewart, and Steven Colbert.



In fact, some time last week, Mitt made a statement about something, and a reporter came back and pointed out how what he had said was exact opposite of what he had said to another audience a few days back.


And Mitt actually said that he could not remember what he said before, and did not feel responsible for what he had said earlier. I nearly flipped when I saw video of him saying that.


No honest and authentic LDS person is so casual a LIAR that -- when somebody points out to them that what they just said contradicts what they said to another audience not long ago -- that they would just blow it off and say that they are not responsible for what they said earlier. At least, they would be mortified, embarrassed to the max, and would admit responsibility for the inconsistancy.


The Etch-A-Sketch comment, made by one of his advisers about a month ago, is so typical of this "say whatever is politically expendient, no matter what the truth is" attitude that Romney lives.


His Etch-A-Sketch, speak (or do) what is politically expedient at a moment's notice philosophy is NOT a way of life that is characteristic of Christ's way.


And since a true LDS person -- one who tries to LIVE their religion and not just take on membership in name only -- is always trying to follow the example of Christ, there is no way that "Etch-A-Sketch", "routinely flip flopping" Mitt Romney can be a sincere, true and authentic LDS person.


And how Bain Capital operated -- what in the way that Bain operated resembled Christ's way? Just the opposite -- it was an example of using power and money to steal from the weak to give to the rich and powerful.


Remember that Mitt was CEO of Bain for quite a while. If he incorporated LDS principles into his personal life, he would have changed the corporate culture of Bain while he was CEO, and would have changed the way that it operated.


But all Mitt cared about was making money for himself and his investers.


That is NOT exercising the principles of the LDS church or those of Christ himeslf.


That is exercising the principles of MONEY MAKING and POLITICS.


Plain and simple.


Money Making and Politics are the TRUE religion of Mitt Romney.


And Obozo too, for that matter.


His long paper trail (and video trail) over a prolonged period of time are very strong evidence to support that claim..



Thanks for asking, nomadcrna.

 

[naturallysweet]

I didn't know that the Mormon religion was a secret. That must make the copy of the Book of Mormon that I have worth something. I'll start the bidding at $1,000 for those who want to know the Mormons secrets.

 

[Kook]

I wear LDS temple garments too, as does my wife. They are not odd in any way, and they are quite comfortable. They do remind us to watch how we dress -- that we do not dress inappropriately or immodestly (for example, for me to run around with that "ghetto look" of pants pulled down to the butt crack, or perhaps, for my wife to run around with a blouse cut so low that nothing is left to the imagination.) But mostly, they remind us regularly of our decision to live a righteous and upstanding life, and our desire to try and follow our Savior.


This is a personal decision I and my wife make -- to wear these garments -- not something that we make a point of discussing in public.


And I would wish it to stay this way.


But the reality is that with Mitt Romney so close to landing the GOP nomination, the media is choosing to make Mormon undergarments a topic of conversation.


And that being the case, we who are LDS need to be understanding of those not of our faith who are hearing about the garments for the first time and are curious about them. They mean us no harm when they ask questions about them, and they honestly don't realize how private we consider them, or how intrusive we consider the question to be.


These questions are going to come up again, and again in the weeks and months that go by, if Romney gets the nomination. The media will see to that.


So we might as well get used to answering questions about it, even if we would rather not. We cannot blame folks who are hearing the media spin on the garments, for asking questions about them. At least they are asking us, and not some person who hates Mormons.


May I suggest that each of us who are LDS and who will need to field questions about the garments or other religious issues in the next few months, pray for the wisdom to know how to answer these questions so that God's will will be done.


But as for those of you who are not LDS, please be respectful of LDS members who would rather not discuss one of the most private decisions they make in their private lives with you. This really is a private -- and, believe it or not, sacred issue for the faithful LDS.


There are many of us who will answer your questions as best we can -- even though we would rather not. In return, please respect us by not making a bigger issue of it, or critisizing us in any way for our personal decision. (BTW, I did NOT see any criticism in any of the posts above -- only respect. The reason I add this latter statement is because people at my WORK PLACE -- not here on TB2K -- have been giving me a hard time in the last few days over the garments, thanks to the spin the news media is giving it.)

I'm a Baptist, and I wear a cross all the time, either under or over my shirt. It is a constant reminder of what Christ did for me on the day of the crucifixion. I suppose your garments and my cross perform much the same function. If people think I'm weird for wearing it, I couldn't care less.

The Godless media will beat the drum on everything 'weird' about the LDS folks, just to hit Romney. If there was a serious Baptist running, they'd try to link him to the Foxboro 'Baptists', which are simply a localized family cult that calls itself that, but are just a lawsuit filling machine. Yep, might as well get used to it. The tenants of black liberation theology are as weird as anything you can imagine, but that's off limits when it comes to Coke Zero(c).

 

[medic38572]

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[FarmerJohn]

I have friends of other beliefs who sadly do not believe in Christ as the Son of God. Yet they are probably more Christlike than a lot of Christians.

If you worship Christ you are widely considered to be a Christian. If you follow most of the teachings of Jesus you will find yourself an outcast.

 

[Harbinger]

Harbinger, you have no right to criticize either Mormons or any other Christian faith. You believe as you wish and welcome to do so. But leave the rest of us alone. that's as "nice" as I'm going to get with you. Choose...


ETA: There IS NO SECRECY in the LDS church. If you choose to believe otherwise, that is your right. But your "criticism" is baseless, so I can only conclude that you are engaging in a personal "hate-fest". That is NOT welcome.

Never criticized the Mormons. It is you who are criticizing those who are merely having an enlightened conversation. Of course it is. You prefer the offensive to defensive. You can not be nice to anyone who you feel has put you in a defensive position. Your conclusions are wrong. You have made assumptions that have now put you further in the defensive position. I based my argument on not only the Bible aka the truth but also quoting from Brigham young one of the founders of the Mormon religion. So my arguments are usually well thought out, well researched and based on facts and not emotions. I did not thrash the Mormons, I simply quoted from both the Scriptures and from the Mormon site. You took the defensive position based on facts I quoted. YOU have no clue to my back ground, I know more about the Mormons than you realize....My family was among those who started the church! My belief is based on the the scriptures as they are written. I am neither biased nor hateful. I do not condemn anyone in any of my posts nor do I resort to name calling or react to hostility. I stay objective and state facts not opinions. I stand on the truth not man's but God's. Loup can attest to my nature.

 

[Dennis Olson]

Good for Loup. But I run the forum. And you're also done on this thread. Primarily for your ongoing snarkiness.

 

[Dobbin]

If you follow most of the teachings of Jesus you will find yourself an outcast.

As He did. One could do worse.

Dobbin