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8th Place: A High School Girl’s Life After Transgender Students Join Her Sport
Kelsey Bolar May 06, 2019 / 663 Comments

"When two high school athletes who were born male but identify as female took first and second place at Connecticut’s girls indoor track championship this year, it wasn’t just a local news story.

To some, it was a story of triumph and courage. The winner, a junior from Bloomfield High School, set a girls state indoor record of 6.95 seconds in the 55-meter dash, and went on to win the New England titles in both the 55-meter dash and the 300-meter dash.

To others, it was a story of shock and disappointment: Is this the end of women’s sports?

To Selina Soule, a 16-year-old runner from Glastonbury, it was personal.

A junior, Selina missed qualifying for the 55-meter in the New England regionals by two spots. Two spots, she said, that were taken by biological boys.

Had the boys who identify as girls not been allowed to compete, Selina would have placed sixth, qualifying to run the 55 in front of college coaches at the New England regionals.

Instead, she placed eighth, watching the 55 from the sidelines after qualifying in only the long jump, an event in which the transgender athletes didn’t compete.

“It’s very frustrating and heartbreaking when us girls are at the start of the race and we already know that these athletes are going to come out and win no matter how hard you try,” Selina told The Daily Signal. “They took away the spots of deserving girls, athletes … me being included.”F

While the debate over transgender athletes and fairness is complex, the situation in Connecticut has brought forth another complicating layer: Plenty of parents and high school girls appear to object to the participation of biological boys in girls sports, but fearing public bullying and backlash, they’re not speaking out.

Publicly, at least.

The stakes of remaining silent are high: Policies are being formed in real time at the local, state, and federal levels regarding transgender individuals, student athletes, and sports.

Most prominently, on March 13, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi introduced HR 5, the Equality Act, a bill that would add “sexual orientation” and “gender identity” as protected classes under federal civil rights law.

The legislation would create a civil right for male athletes to self-identify as females at any time, critics say, without any evidence of physical changes to their bodies.

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Selina Soule, a 16-year-old runner from Glastonbury, Connecticut, shares what it’s like being forced to compete against biological boys.

When two high school athletes who were born male but identify as female took first and second place at Connecticut’s girls indoor track championship this year, it wasn’t just a local news story.

To some, it was a story of triumph and courage. The winner, a junior from Bloomfield High School, set a girls state indoor record of 6.95 seconds in the 55-meter dash, and went on to win the New England titles in both the 55-meter dash and the 300-meter dash.

To others, it was a story of shock and disappointment: Is this the end of women’s sports?

To Selina Soule, a 16-year-old runner from Glastonbury, it was personal.

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A junior, Selina missed qualifying for the 55-meter in the New England regionals by two spots. Two spots, she said, that were taken by biological boys.

Had the boys who identify as girls not been allowed to compete, Selina would have placed sixth, qualifying to run the 55 in front of college coaches at the New England regionals.

Instead, she placed eighth, watching the 55 from the sidelines after qualifying in only the long jump, an event in which the transgender athletes didn’t compete.

“It’s very frustrating and heartbreaking when us girls are at the start of the race and we already know that these athletes are going to come out and win no matter how hard you try,” Selina told The Daily Signal. “They took away the spots of deserving girls, athletes … me being included.”F

While the debate over transgender athletes and fairness is complex, the situation in Connecticut has brought forth another complicating layer: Plenty of parents and high school girls appear to object to the participation of biological boys in girls sports, but fearing public bullying and backlash, they’re not speaking out.

Publicly, at least.

The stakes of remaining silent are high: Policies are being formed in real time at the local, state, and federal levels regarding transgender individuals, student athletes, and sports.

Most prominently, on March 13, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi introduced HR 5, the Equality Act, a bill that would add “sexual orientation” and “gender identity” as protected classes under federal civil rights law.

The legislation would create a civil right for male athletes to self-identify as females at any time, critics say, without any evidence of physical changes to their bodies.

Selina Soule, a 16-year-old runner from Glastonbury, Connecticut, shares what it’s like being forced to compete against biological boys. (Photo: The Daily Signal)
When the Connecticut Interscholastic Athletic Conference, or CIAC, said biological boys who identify as girls can compete as girls in sports, most track athletes remained mum.

Connecticut is one of 17 states that allow transgender high school athletes to compete without restrictions, according to Transathlete.com, a website that tracks state policies in high school sports across the country.

Encouraged by her mother, Bianca Stanescu, who has been in the forefront in challenging the state policy, Selina is one of the few students, if not the only one, giving a voice to countless others who appear to feel the same way.

“Everyone is afraid of retaliation from the media, from the kids around their school, from other athletes, coaches, schools, administrators,” Selina explained. “They don’t want to drag attention to themselves, and they don’t want to be seen as a target for potential bullying and threats.”

In a visit to the Nutmeg State, The Daily Signal spoke with four other track athletes from two high schools in Connecticut. Echoing Selina’s sentiments, they asked to remain anonymous.

“I think it’s a very important thing for people to really understand where we’re coming from, instead of just immediately going to, ‘We’re transphobic,’” one said. “Just the way that our society is built, it snaps on people so quickly.”

“We live in such a cruel world, and society is just so hard to figure out sometimes,” another girl told The Daily Signal. “You never know what the reaction is going to be. It’s so hard because you want your voice to be heard … but, how can you know what to say that will affect things positively, instead of people twisting what you’re saying and turning it against you?”

‘An Equality Issue’

The girls’ parents, too, expressed a high level of concern for protecting their daughters’ identities, not even wanting to identify them by high school.

Connecticut is made up of small towns, the parents explained, and given the relatively small number of athletes affected, people can connect the dots.

“There’s really nothing else you can do except get super frustrated and roll your eyes,” the first girl said, “because it’s really hard to even come out and talk in public just because of the way with the far left, and how just immediately you’ll just be shut down.”

“It’s not like we’re saying that we don’t like transgender people,” she added. “It’s just an equality issue where these girls are trying their absolute hardest to try and get those good things on their college resumes, and then it just gets completely taken away from them because there’s a biological male racing against them.”

The athletes say they don’t fear only being bullied or portrayed as a bigot. They also hope to attend college, and are afraid their politically incorrect views could hurt their prospects.

“I personally want a future in athletics in college,” a third girl told The Daily Signal, “but I feel like if there’s a coach that disagrees with my personal opinion, or a board that disagrees with it, then they’ll already have a predisposition with me and then it’ll affect maybe playing time or my ability to get into that college.”

“We have college down the road—I’m scared that that could get impacted,” a fourth girl said. “Sometimes the coaches will just like look at the lists … and if you’re not No. 1 then they won’t choose you.”

“I have heard opinions where coaches are just going to look at your times, and that they don’t really care where you place,” the first girl added. “But college coaches are going to these bigger meets, and when they don’t see you there, they’re not necessarily focusing on you. They’re focusing on the people that are there.”

“It kept Selina from getting to New Englands, where she had the opportunity to be running in front of college coaches, which is just unfair,” she added.

Uncomfortable Opinions

The athletes’ hesitation to speak out publicly begs the question:

How did society get to the point where high school girls now fear their uncomfortable opinions could prevent them from being admitted to the very institutions where uncomfortable opinions are supposed to be explored?

Whatever the answer, few could blame them, given the vitriol on display in today’s public square.

Business Insider removed a writer’s article defending the casting of Scarlett Johansson to play a transgender man in an upcoming film, for example. The publication said the article violated its “editorial standards,” and the writer later quit.

Authorities in Canada allegedly threatened to arrest a father if he refers to his biological daughter as a female in private or in public because she identifies as a boy.

And in schools, The Daily Signal has documented multiple cases of biological girls being forced to share locker rooms or bathrooms with boys, despite their safety concerns and discomfort.

But again and again, those on the “wrong side” of this conversation are too afraid to speak out.

‘Door Is Open for Any Other Sport’

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A junior in high school, Selina Soule is asking for fairness to be returned to her sport.

Selina’s mother, Stanescu, told The Daily Signal that she has done “everything that I thought would be possible to help this and just open a conversation” about what’s happened in Connecticut and what could happen should Congress pass the Equality Act.

“The doors have been shut over and over again,” Stanescu said. “People are afraid to speak.”

In addition to potentially instating a nationwide bathroom requirement, health care mandate, and a “preferred pronoun” law based on gender identity, the Equality Act would enshrine in federal law the right of biological boys to compete as girls in all sports.

If the measure passes, Stanescu warned, “women will be completely eradicated from sports.”

What’s happening in Connecticut, she added, will happen across the country—and not just in track and field.

“Yes, it has been affecting track and field in Connecticut, but the door is open there for any sport, and that is something that could become also a safety issue,” Stanescu said. “It’s taking away the opportunity to win for the girls, but in sports that have physical contact, [it] could become a serious safety issue.”

“It could be potentially very dangerous if you have a transgender female that’s competing in basketball, soccer, lacrosse, field hockey because they are so physically superior to females,” her daughter Selina added.

Selina says all this while making clear she supports athletes “being true to themselves.”

“I have friends in school who are transgender and I know when they are struggling to come out or deciding to come out, I was there supporting them,” she said. “And when they were freshly out, I was caring towards them. I was never rude or disrespectful.”

But the situation in sports has “nothing to do with their gender identity and how they feel,” Selina said. “It has to do with what is right and what is fair in athletics.”

Looking forward to her senior year, Selina said she hopes to run track in college. She referred to the long jump event as her “safe haven” where “the results were fair no matter what, because it was girls competing against girls.”

“But now, unfortunately,” she said with a disappointed look on her face, “one of those athletes has started to compete in long jump. So now none of my events are safe.”"
 
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MinnesotaSmith

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Discussed at length here...

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2019/05/the-end-of-womens-sports.html#comment-form

Some of the more notable comments:

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horsewithnonick May 10, 2019 9:35 AM
Ultimately, non-transgender females may find that the only one field in which they simply cannot be surpassed by trans women is...having babies.
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0. Neil Patrick Carris May 10, 2019 9:44 AM
1. Eliminate women from sports

2. Push women away from sports and into motherhood.

3. Gen Z Christian awakening ensues. Normalcy restored. America Saved.
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21. Azure Amaranthine May 10, 2019 10:26 AM
"Ultimately, non-transgender females may find that the only one field in which they simply cannot be surpassed by trans women is...having babies."

Pretty much. It's funny that all a man has to do to jump the fence and shove women back into position is to say that he's a woman too. So much for gender equality and liberation.
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Damelon Brinn May 10, 2019 10:26 AM
They'll figure out some way to accommodate both.

They're trying, but it's really not possible. They can't make them compete as men. There aren't enough of them to have a third category, and that would be a hate crime anyway because it implies they aren't true women. Some leagues want to change their requirements by saying instead of being female, you have to meet certain hormone limits. That doesn't help enough, because after a guy spends the first 15-20 years of his life building up a male physique, some hormone treatments to try to make his muscles atrophy doesn't take all that away. I guess they could literally handicap them like horses with leg weights until their performance equals the women's, but that would be considered picking on them too. There's no way to treat them equal to the women and have fairness in the sport.

I didn't think it would ever get to this point because there would be too few men who were good athletes and willing to chop their dicks off. But now that men can declare themselves women without any irreversible body modifications, and feminists helped remove the stigma against freaks that would have kept boys in my generation from even considering the idea, lots of Zoomers will figure sure, why not identify as a chick for a good scholarship or a paycheck?
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David Ray Milton May 10, 2019 10:30 AM
And completely out the window goes any fairy tale notions that women could ever compete with men on a physical level.

“Now, now there. It’s okay honey. I’m sure you’re much better than them at making a casserole.”

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0. Damelon Brinn May 10, 2019 10:49 AM

the women should simply walk off and refuse to participate. If they start doing that the problem will resolve itself.

I think they know in the back of their minds that their sports are so irrelevant -- with a few exceptions like tennis -- that the leagues might go right on functioning without them. The women athletes have no leverage because no one watches them anyway. Their leagues only exist in the first place because men wanted to be nice to them and corporate sponsors wanted to virtue-signal. Now feminists have burned off a lot of men's chivalry, and the corporate sponsors will gladly back tranny-filled leagues for even more wokeness points.
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0. Starboard May 10, 2019 11:49 AM
I, for one, look forward to a time when the women's track records are just as fast as the men's. These girls just need to train harder. Muh equality.
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tarboard May 10, 2019 11:52 AM
The nugget at the center of the trans problem is that trans people know there's a difference between being a man and being a woman. If there weren't, they wouldn't be trying to change into something they are not.
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liberranter May 10, 2019 12:32 PM
It's more than a bit amusing to see feminists getting shut down for daring to contradict the SJW narrative.

"Amusing?" I think F*CKING HILARIOUS is probably the mildest appropriate description.

Time to make LOTS of popcorn, ice down the beer cooler, sit back and watch the show unfold. Just try not to asphyxiate yourself with convulsions of uncontrollable laughter.
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62. Sterling Pilgrim May 10, 2019 1:37 PM
Feminist to Man: "Any thing you can do, I can do better"

Man puts on Dress

Shim to Feminist: "Anything you can do I can do better".
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69. Snidely Whiplash May 10, 2019 4:06 PM
Damelon Brinn wrote:
I didn't think it would ever get to this point because there would be too few men who were good athletes and willing to chop their dicks off.

I read recently that there are 15,000 male high school age sprinters who break the female all-time 100M record every year. How many are already emotionally damaged and willing to go on hormone therapy anyway? Now add the prospect of a professional athletic career to the temptation.
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7. buzzardist May 10, 2019 12:16 PM
When my mother competed in sports up through high school more than a generation ago, she bitterly watched as lesser accomplished male athletes in her sport got college scholarships, while none were available to her. The modern, feminist response is to feel bad for her living under that unfair system.

But, really, the lack of opportunity caused her to quit competing in sports at the end of high school, which pushed her toward motherhood by her mid-20s. An intelligent, morally sound, physically fit woman starting a family from a healthy, young age? That was a win for my family and a win for civilization. The lack of equality and opportunity may have been bitter for her in the moment, but I think even she would admit that it was best for her and for everyone else in the long-run.

If trans athletes push women's sports back into the proverbial dark ages where XX-chromosome women have no opportunities in sports beyond amateur, recreational enjoyment, I'll turn a deaf ear to women's complaints, not because I enjoy the intersectional battles, but because the outcome, however achieved, is what society may need.
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MinnesotaSmith

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Very possibly, but..

This garbage is just plain WRONG! It will totally destroy REAL women's sports forever.

If it removes a major distraction keeping young non-LC native-born white U.S. women from having children in time, won't it have been worth it?
 

MinnesotaSmith

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Related news about schools and transgenderism...

https://pjmedia.com/trending/oregon...-convince-8-year-old-student-hes-transgender/

Oregon Elementary School Teacher Tried to Convince 8-Year-Old Student He's Transgender

MICHAEL VAN DER GALIEN MAY 10, 2019 241 COMMENTS

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It doesn't get much crazier than this. According to KPTV-TV, an Oregon elementary school teacher tried to convince an 8-year-old student that he was transgender. The schoolteacher did this without involving the parents. The result? The boy is now aggressive, depressed, and confused.

The teacher at Nellie Muir Elementary School in Woodburn targeted the boy for transgender indoctrination when he started using the staff restroom after a stomach issue made him feel uncomfortable about using the boys' toilet. The teacher took the 8-year-old aside, spoke shortly to him, and then proceeded to share all kinds of transgender literature and videos with him. The teacher asked the boy several times whether he thought he was a girl and even held him out of recess in order to read transgender books and watch transgender videos. Oh, and to top it off, there were one-on-one conversations about transgenderism.

All this was done without the parents' consent or even their knowledge. It only came out when the boy came home with a book about transgenderism and when he talked to a therapist (while crying his eyes out).

As The Blaze reports, the effects of the transgender propaganda on the boy have been significant:

"He feels different now, he feels confused," the mother told the station, which didn't reveal her identity or the father's identity...

"Still today, a year later, if he plays with my niece, he's a girl in that moment … if he plays with my nephew, he's a boy," the mother added to the station.

Also, the boy now shies away from playing with "girl" toys or playing "girl-related" games and underwent personality changes, becoming more depressed, aggressive, and isolated.

Logically, the parents are suing the school. They want nearly $1 million in damages, which is way too little if you ask me. Their son will have to deal with this trauma for years and years to come. Imagine how difficult puberty will be for him if he doesn't get this out of the way beforehand.

The worst part of the story? The teacher hasn't been fired (yet).
 

ambereyes

Veteran Member
This garbage is just plain WRONG! It will totally destroy REAL women's sports forever.

As I told my daughter (who is 17) and a very good athlete, concentrate on her studies. Use your brain, athletics will only take you so far, a degree is much more important. She does enjoy her sports mainly track and tennis, plans to continue with them.
 

samus79

Veteran Member
These lefty idiots are going to be eating themselves soon enough over this. What happens when a poor, black, female athlete loses an athletic scholarship to a tranny? The black female has more oppression points being black and female, she could qualify for 3 if she’s Muslim and add another point if she’s gay. Surely she would be more deserving of the scholarship than the tranny who only gets 1 point. Because all that matters is whose feelings will get hurt the most.

I’d say this is insanity, but the people pushing this crap know exactly what they are doing, and they are doing it with the intention of creating chaos and division.
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
This garbage is just plain WRONG! It will totally destroy REAL women's sports forever.

And, I don't care... Society, at large, is doing almost nothing to stop this madness so guess what?

Deal with the pile of crap you are shoveling into your own beds...
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Meanwhile, a woman who had no reason to think she was otherwise; who was found to be intersexed when competing on a professional level due to a genetic test was ordered to take pills to depress her natural level of testosterone or stop competing.

That is messed-up too if you ask my trans family member what they thought about the whole women's sports issue and they thought that it depended on the sport but in many cases biologically male bodies simply are stronger and while taking female hormones can limit that it probably doesn't enough for those types of sports in terms of actual competition.

As for sports and babies, while being a full-time professional athlete these days can cause issues with fertility and menstruation; being physically active is probably the best thing a young girl can do to prepare herself for baby making if that is what she chooses to do a few years later.

Some of the best exercises in the world for pregnancy and birth are traditional middle-eastern women's dance (they probably knew that) I had one friend whose doctor had her still dancing in front of the mirror at nine months (but not professionally after the fifth month) and she said it really helped a great deal during labor and she recovered faster.

Given a choice between a girl who is a runner in high school and maybe college vs. a girl who eats a modern processed diet and plays on a Smart Phone all day; in most cases, the first young women have a much better chance of making healthy babies at age 23 than the second one does.
 

MinnesotaSmith

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No...

This is the real war on women.

Telling women that manlike careers, sterile sex with acquaintances, abortions, big government, and spinsterism were preferable to marriage, family, and Jesus -THAT was hatred of women beyond even Stalin and Mao could have imagined.
 

Sub-Zero

Veteran Member
According to the record, the boys winner for the 55 meter dash, Kymali Hay, won the event (boys) with a 6.52 time. I wonder where little miss precious would have placed in that match.
 

ambereyes

Veteran Member
According to the record, the boys winner for the 55 meter dash, Jason Nealy, won the event (boys) with a 6.61 time. I wonder where little miss precious would have placed in that match.

Why would that matter? The young woman was not competing in the young men's events.
 

Sub-Zero

Veteran Member
Why? Because "she" (1st place winner) is a he and should have been competing in the boys events. Pretty simple. Gender is binary and not subject to interpretation.

Not referring to girl who placed 8th place.
 

Bardou

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As I told my daughter (who is 17) and a very good athlete, concentrate on her studies. Use your brain, athletics will only take you so far, a degree is much more important. She does enjoy her sports mainly track and tennis, plans to continue with them.

What kind of "degree?" I had a yard sale yesterday and had lots of people stopping by. One guy got into a conversation with DH about work. He said his son has a degree in speech therapy and can't find a job. He's working at a local hospital doing medical paper work and he hates it. IMHO, young kids fresh out of high school might be better served going to a trade school than getting a degree and thousands of dollars in debt when they graduate. As for the transgender BS, stop all sports, male and female. Anyone now can identify as to whatever is in their head for that day. Our culture is being torn down and the liberals are loving it. We've lost our ability to fight back against these assholes. Maybe we deserve what we get.
 

ambereyes

Veteran Member
Why? Because "she" (1st place winner) is a he and should have been competing in the boys events. Pretty simple. Gender is binary and not subject to interpretation.

Not referring to girl who placed 8th place.

Sorry I got your answer backwards..
 

ambereyes

Veteran Member
What kind of "degree?" I had a yard sale yesterday and had lots of people stopping by. One guy got into a conversation with DH about work. He said his son has a degree in speech therapy and can't find a job. He's working at a local hospital doing medical paper work and he hates it. IMHO, young kids fresh out of high school might be better served going to a trade school than getting a degree and thousands of dollars in debt when they graduate. As for the transgender BS, stop all sports, male and female. Anyone now can identify as to whatever is in their head for that day. Our culture is being torn down and the liberals are loving it. We've lost our ability to fight back against these assholes. Maybe we deserve what we get.

Why not, she has already completed around 30 college hours. She is very high scoring in math and sciences has already been approached by multiple colleges with offers of financial assistance. Her brother is going to West Point and she is considering the same or two years of college than military.

Need to add she is already a pretty competent welder and works on diesel engines for shits and giggles.
 

Jeep

Veteran Member
If the born male trannies keep competing in female sports, I see female sports being discontinued by schools and colleges. The females should start boycotting and refusing to participate if a male enters as a female.
 

Bardou

Veteran Member
Why not, she has already completed around 30 college hours. She is very high scoring in math and sciences has already been approached by multiple colleges with offers of financial assistance. Her brother is going to West Point and she is considering the same or two years of college than military.

Need to add she is already a pretty competent welder and works on diesel engines for shits and giggles.

Cool, then she'll have no problem getting a well paying job. Lots of trade school students find jobs paying higher than college graduates, and very little debt.
 

Gercarson

Veteran Member
Soon, instead of women's sports it will be called "tranny" sports because women will not be so insulted by men who "claim" to be a woman.
 
I’d say this is insanity, but the people pushing this crap know exactly what they are doing, and they are doing it with the intention of creating chaos and division.

Correct.

Warfare by OTHER means.

But, war, nonetheless.

War does not always include tanks, planes and bombs.

War comes in other forms.

Do we know how to recognize and mobilize against OTHER types of war?


intothegoodnight
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
Why? Because "she" (1st place winner) is a he and should have been competing in the boys events. Pretty simple. Gender is binary and not subject to interpretation.

Not referring to girl who placed 8th place.

These males who are "shattering" the female records would not even place in the top 3 in competition against their own kind. IMHO, a lot of these males are transitioning for an ego stroke because they do suck so bad against a level playing field. Even a 6.61 time in a 55 yard dash is woefully slow...
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
https://pjmedia.com/trending/oregon...-convince-8-year-old-student-hes-transgender/

Oregon Elementary School Teacher Tried to Convince 8-Year-Old Student He's Transgender

MICHAEL VAN DER GALIEN MAY 10, 2019 241 COMMENTS

transgender-bathroom-sign.sized-770x415xc.jpg


It doesn't get much crazier than this. According to KPTV-TV, an Oregon elementary school teacher tried to convince an 8-year-old student that he was transgender. The schoolteacher did this without involving the parents. The result? The boy is now aggressive, depressed, and confused.

The teacher at Nellie Muir Elementary School in Woodburn targeted the boy for transgender indoctrination when he started using the staff restroom after a stomach issue made him feel uncomfortable about using the boys' toilet. The teacher took the 8-year-old aside, spoke shortly to him, and then proceeded to share all kinds of transgender literature and videos with him. The teacher asked the boy several times whether he thought he was a girl and even held him out of recess in order to read transgender books and watch transgender videos. Oh, and to top it off, there were one-on-one conversations about transgenderism.

All this was done without the parents' consent or even their knowledge. It only came out when the boy came home with a book about transgenderism and when he talked to a therapist (while crying his eyes out).

As The Blaze reports, the effects of the transgender propaganda on the boy have been significant:

"He feels different now, he feels confused," the mother told the station, which didn't reveal her identity or the father's identity...

"Still today, a year later, if he plays with my niece, he's a girl in that moment … if he plays with my nephew, he's a boy," the mother added to the station.

Also, the boy now shies away from playing with "girl" toys or playing "girl-related" games and underwent personality changes, becoming more depressed, aggressive, and isolated.

Logically, the parents are suing the school. They want nearly $1 million in damages, which is way too little if you ask me. Their son will have to deal with this trauma for years and years to come. Imagine how difficult puberty will be for him if he doesn't get this out of the way beforehand.

The worst part of the story? The teacher hasn't been fired (yet).

That teacher needs a lobotomy via a .45!
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Meanwhile, a woman who had no reason to think she was otherwise; who was found to be intersexed when competing on a professional level due to a genetic test was ordered to take pills to depress her natural level of testosterone or stop competing.

That is messed-up too if you ask my trans family member what they thought about the whole women's sports issue and they thought that it depended on the sport but in many cases biologically male bodies simply are stronger and while taking female hormones can limit that it probably doesn't enough for those types of sports in terms of actual competition.

As for sports and babies, while being a full-time professional athlete these days can cause issues with fertility and menstruation; being physically active is probably the best thing a young girl can do to prepare herself for baby making if that is what she chooses to do a few years later.

Some of the best exercises in the world for pregnancy and birth are traditional middle-eastern women's dance (they probably knew that) I had one friend whose doctor had her still dancing in front of the mirror at nine months (but not professionally after the fifth month) and she said it really helped a great deal during labor and she recovered faster.

Given a choice between a girl who is a runner in high school and maybe college vs. a girl who eats a modern processed diet and plays on a Smart Phone all day; in most cases, the first young women have a much better chance of making healthy babies at age 23 than the second one does.


I've taken some tribal belly dancing classes (this is where you dance fully clothed) and it involves a lot of core movements and involuntary kegels (they just naturally happen when doing certain movements with your hips), so I'm not surprised that she recovered faster.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
What kind of "degree?" I had a yard sale yesterday and had lots of people stopping by. One guy got into a conversation with DH about work. He said his son has a degree in speech therapy and can't find a job. He's working at a local hospital doing medical paper work and he hates it. IMHO, young kids fresh out of high school might be better served going to a trade school than getting a degree and thousands of dollars in debt when they graduate. As for the transgender BS, stop all sports, male and female. Anyone now can identify as to whatever is in their head for that day. Our culture is being torn down and the liberals are loving it. We've lost our ability to fight back against these assholes. Maybe we deserve what we get.

Then he needs to move his sorry ass to a state like Iowa where there's an actual shortage of speech therapists!
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Correct.

Warfare by OTHER means.

But, war, nonetheless.

War does not always include tanks, planes and bombs.

War comes in other forms.

Do we know how to recognize and mobilize against OTHER types of war?


intothegoodnight



This^^^ Long before hitler sent tanks and troops into other countries he had fuled a culture war that had been simmering since before WW1. Relations with jews, gypsies, and the like were already tenuous in Europe and Russia, he and stalin took advantage and made it a million times worse.

As Holder said... never let a crisis go to waste.
 

ambereyes

Veteran Member
Cool, then she'll have no problem getting a well paying job. Lots of trade school students find jobs paying higher than college graduates, and very little debt.

You know what's even cooler she can use this skill to pay for her college degree or degrees and end up with no debt.
 
Cool, then she'll have no problem getting a well paying job. Lots of trade school students find jobs paying higher than college graduates, and very little debt.

That’s because trade schools teach you useful skills that people actually need to produce, install, repair, etc., things that also produce useful things.
Wish I had made that choice in my youth.
 

Bardou

Veteran Member
You know what's even cooler she can use this skill to pay for her college degree or degrees and end up with no debt.

I listen to them calling Dave Ramsey on how to get rid of college debt, and debt like big car loans, and credit card loans. I cringe when he calls the educated dumb asses for biting off more than they can chew.
 

ambereyes

Veteran Member
I listen to them calling Dave Ramsey on how to get rid of college debt, and debt like big car loans, and credit card loans. I cringe when he calls the educated dumb asses for biting off more than they can chew.

And that has what to do with my daughter?
 

AlfaMan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
If she already has welding and diesel mechanic skills, she will have ZERO problem finding high demand, high paying work. College or the military may be ok for her but she sounds as if a trade school education would fit her better.

Good diesel mechanics in some locations up here make close to 100k a year; and a welder with any skill can pretty much name their price. Get her into fixing construction equipment and she would have the perfect business for herself.

Why not, she has already completed around 30 college hours. She is very high scoring in math and sciences has already been approached by multiple colleges with offers of financial assistance. Her brother is going to West Point and she is considering the same or two years of college than military.

Need to add she is already a pretty competent welder and works on diesel engines for shits and giggles.
 

Bardou

Veteran Member
If she already has welding and diesel mechanic skills, she will have ZERO problem finding high demand, high paying work. College or the military may be ok for her but she sounds as if a trade school education would fit her better.

Good diesel mechanics in some locations up here make close to 100k a year; and a welder with any skill can pretty much name their price. Get her into fixing construction equipment and she would have the perfect business for herself.

Spot on. We talk to lots of young kids working for the Parks Department here. We ask them what their plans are as they don't like where they are working now and want something better. A few have taken our advice and go to trade school. They know how difficult it is to go to college, put in the time and money and not make what you could be making as a tradesman. A few of them have attended Jr. college and they are loathing the idea of going back.
 

SouthernBreeze

Has No Life - Lives on TB
My nephew has a $150,000 student loan with a Ph.D. in Earth Science behind his name. Couldn't find a job anywhere. He finally took a teaching position in a High School teaching science making $35,000/year. Not what he was expecting.
 

MinnesotaSmith

Membership Revoked
My nephew has a $150,000 student loan with a Ph.D. in Earth Science behind his name. Couldn't find a job anywhere. He finally took a teaching position in a High School teaching science making $35,000/year. Not what he was expecting.

He should have read this article (previously posted on TB2K) on why getting a Ph.D. has been a downright stupid thing for native-born white Americans to get for over 40 years:

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2006/01/gary-north/the-phd-glut/

The Ph.D. Glut Revisited
By Gary North

January 24, 2006

CONCLUSION

"Earning a Ph.D. may pay off if your goal is status, although I don’t understand why anyone regards a Ph.D. as a status symbol that is worth giving up five to ten years of your earning power in your youth, when every dime saved can multiply because of compounding. If the public understood the economics of earning a Ph.D., people would think “naïve economic loser” whenever they hear “Ph.D.”"
 

MinnesotaSmith

Membership Revoked
Related find...

https://www.wired.com/story/caster-semenya-and-the-twisted-politics-of-testosterone/

KATELYN BURNSKATELYN BURNS

CASTER SEMENYA AND THE TWISTED POLITICS OF TESTOSTERONE

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The ruling that Olympic gold medalist Caster Semenya will need to take testosterone suppressants is already affecting other runners

OLYMPIC GOLD MEDALIST Caster Semenya received bad news about her racing career last week, news that centered on the particulars of her body. Those probing, intimate details shaped a controversial rule of the International Association of Athletics Federations, the governing body of the running world. And they are now determining the fate of other athletes.

The Court of Arbitration for Sport decided last week to uphold an IAAF rule that would require Semenya to take testosterone suppressants to compete in the women’s division in her best events, the 800-meter and 1500-meter races. Almost immediately the decision rippled out to other runners. Athletics Kenya announced on Friday that it had dropped two female sprinters from its team for the IAAF World Relays championship this weekend, after blood tests revealed high levels of testosterone.

The dispute, however, is about much more than testosterone. Semenya's medical status as an intersex person was leaked to the press in 2009. Semenya herself has never referred to herself as intersex, instead simply stating, “I am a woman and I am fast.” The bottom line is that her body naturally produces more testosterone than the average woman, and some of her competitors and some athletics experts believe this gives her an unfair advantage.

But others question whether testosterone is the athletic miracle worker it has been made out to be. In fact, even the CAS has said this: When, in 2015, it ruled on the case of Indian sprinter Dutee Chand, who also has uncommonly high testosterone, the CAS determined that the IAAF had not mustered sufficient scientific support to justify a policy against naturally high testosterone.

The reality is that although testosterone plays a role in elite performance, the details of the science get murky very quickly. The athletes with the highest testosterone are not always the winners. Ones with lower levels can also take home gold. With the science unresolved, some of Semenya’s defenders see the CAS’s ruling as the latest salvo in a broader backlash against people who have bodies that defy stereotypes of womanhood.


“This decision is biased, not only based on the fact that Caster is intersex, but that she is from South Africa, she’s a Black South African, she’s queer, and she’s gender non-conforming,” :rolleyes:says Sean Saifa Wall, co-founder of the Intersex Justice Project. “We’ve only seen this kind of humiliation and shaming of Black and brown intersex athletes, particularly Caster Semenya and two other runners,” including Chand.

Advocates point out that scientific-seeming methods of separating the sexes can often be weaponized against gender and sexual minorities, such as intersex people. “Science is a tool and a method, but of course that can be in anyone’s hands,” says Hans Lindahl, communications director at intersex advocacy group InterACT. “It’s hard to take socially constructed categories like gender and sex and try to clump them into science. It doesn’t work.”

Historically, the weight of sex testing has always fallen on women's sports. So it is also the place where the extremely difficult questions of defining gender boundaries are now being hashed out. “People want to believe that there’s some essential difference between women and men that makes them completely distinct and explicit categories,” says trans author Julia Serano, who also has a PhD in biology. “That essence doesn’t exist in real life.”

Sex testing of female athletes began with the intent of trying to catch men masquerading as women to try to win medals, though no man has ever been caught doing so. Instead, it was intersex women who were often thrown out of sports as a result of these tests.

The International Olympic Committee switched from mandatory genital inspections to chromosome testing in the 1960s, and decades ticked by before the policy was formally challenged. In 1985 a genetic test indicated that 24-year-old runner Maria José Martínez Patiño, of Spain, had XY chromosomes, despite her body displaying a completely female phenotype. Because of the test, she was kicked off the national team and had her medals stripped; she even lost her boyfriend in the process.


Patiño challenged the ruling on the basis that her body was biologically incapable of processing the excess testosterone it naturally produced and won her challenge. Athletics associations eventually moved on to new methods of gender testing.

According to a New York Times report, in 2014 Chand was subjected not only to hormonal testing but to a chromosomal test and gynecological exam as well. “To evaluate the effects of high testosterone, the international athletic association’s protocol involves measuring and palpating the clitoris, vagina and labia, as well as evaluating breast size and pubic hair scored on an illustrated five-grade scale,” reads the Times report.

Chand won her appeal by arguing that excess testosterone doesn’t provide an athletic advantage in her individual events, the 100-meter and 200-meter dashes. The Chand precedent is why the IAAF, in its most recent ruling, limited its ban to individual events that Semenya competes in, despite IAAF’s own study showing that competitors with elevated testosterone levels in several throwing events saw an even bigger advantage than Semenya did in the middle-distance events.

Joanna Harper, a trans woman and biophysicist who testified on IAAF’s behalf in the Semenya case, argues that testosterone levels are the most important metric for deciding sex because sports divisions are ultimately split between male and female, and a distinction needs to be made somehow. She notes that all three judges in the Semenya case agreed that testosterone was the primary differentiator between male athletes and female athletes.

“I have a lot of empathy for [Semenya],” says Harper. “It’s got to be enormously hard to be identified as female at birth, raised female and you don’t find out until [age] 18 or so that there are serious issues. And she always knew she was different of course…But on the other hand I think that billions of potential female athletes deserve to have a category in which to enjoy meaningful competition.”

Although Harper says she’s not thrilled with how the IAAF has applied its rule to just a narrow band of events that Semenya competes in, she says it opens the door for a different route for Semenya’s career. Harper suggests that she run the 3000- or 5000-meter races instead, because higher testosterone hasn’t been shown to convey a significant advantage in those events. “She’s probably not going to lower her testosterone, she’s probably going to run the 3000 and 5000 and she’s going to be very successful. Not Olympic-medal-winning successful, but still more successful than most athletes can only dream of.”

Earlier this week, the IAAF released a statement indicating that Semenya could compete in her favored middle-distance events—as a man. So according to the new paradoxical rules, a single person can be considered a man for some events and a woman for others.

According to the new paradoxical rules, a single person can be considered a man for some events and a woman for others.

Semenya’s case is tangled up in a larger battle over who gets to count as a woman in modern society. Indeed, Fox News last week incorrectly identified Semenya as a “transgender athlete,” which she is decidedly not. Others on social media scrutinized Semenya’s muscular build or the fact that she is a lesbian, even going so far as to speculate on her genitals in order to prove that Semenya is “really a man.” According to Serano, the gender policing of intersex and gender-nonconforming bodies is a direct result of the anti-trans movement, which is attempting to enforce the exclusion of trans women from female spaces. “The targeting of transgender and intersex athletes and gender-nonconforming athletes seems very similar to what is happening with policing of bathrooms and just generally the anti-trans hysteria that’s been going on,” Serano says.

Some medical experts worry that classifying men and women according to testosterone levels, as the IAAF has, could easily go too far. “I don’t think anyone is prepared to actually see testosterone variations in XX individuals,” says Frances Grimstad, who works extensively with trans and intersex individuals as a pediatric and adolescent gynecology fellow at Children’s Mercy Hospital in Kansas City, Missouri.

She is especially concerned about the implications for women with polycystic ovary syndrome, a hormonal condition that can include heightened testosterone and that affects up to 20 percent of [otherwise normal] women. “It has never been considered an intersex condition,” Grimstad says, but she notes it is not uncommon for those with the condition to have testosterone levels similar to Semenya’s. “Given the rising incidence of it in our populations here, it is more than likely that we have much greater testosterone variation in cis females than we are prepared to admit.”

Women with PCOS often end up growing facial hair and developing slightly masculine traits. Determining womanhood based on testosterone levels, Grimstad says, could have unintended consequences for a broader spectrum of women across society. “If you were to all of a sudden take all of my PCOS patients and tell them that because they have elevated testosterone they are not considered female enough to compete with other females, I think that that would open a social can of worms.”

And that debate over femininity, she argues, is something we’re just not ready for."
 
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