GOV/MIL Military leaders: Register women for draft

[Housecarl]

Will women be required to register for selective service?
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Army Sec: American Women Could Be Required to Register for Draft if Combat Jobs Integrated
Started by Housecarlý, 10-13-2015 01:24 PM
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OPINION: Women in combat raise difficult questions
Started by Housecarlý, 12-26-2015 08:14 PM
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All Combat Roles Now Open to Women, Defense Secretary Says
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You knew this was coming.....

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http://www.militarytimes.com/story/...rmy-marines-women-combat-jobs-draft/79695978/

Military leaders: Register women for draft

By Leo Shane III, Military Times 12:38 p.m. EST February 2, 2016
Comments 102

The Army and Marine Corps' top uniformed leaders both backed making women register for the draft as all combat roles are opened to them in coming months, a sweeping social change that could complicate the military’s gender integration plans.

Both services, along with the Navy, have begun work to open all military jobs to any service member after a decision by Defense Secretary Ash Carter in December to lift all gender-based restrictions on combat and infantry roles.

On Tuesday, Army Chief of Staff Gen. Mark Milley and Marine Corps Commandant Gen. Robert Neller told senators during a Capitol Hill hearing that full integration of those jobs will likely take a few years, to overcome logistical and cultural issues.

One of those complications will be how to handle the Selective Service System, which requires all men ages 18 to 26 to register for possible involuntary military service.

Women have always been exempt, and past legal challenges have pointed to the battlefield restrictions placed on them. With that reasoning moot, lawmakers will need to determine what becomes of the system.

Navy Secretary Ray Mabus Jr. said there needs to be “a national debate” over what the changes mean, balancing social concerns over the idea of drafting women with the reality of national security and military readiness.

But the uniform leaders were more blunt in their assessment.

“It's my personal view in light of integration that every American physically qualified should register for the draft,” Neller said. Milley echoed those remarks, saying “all eligible men and women” should be required to register.

The comments drew support from some Democratic lawmakers — “I agree with you,” said Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo. — but concerned looks from Republicans on the Senate Armed Services Committee, who spent most of the hearing criticizing how abruptly the decision to drop gender restrictions was made.

Several pressed military leaders over whether job standards would be lowered to allow women into combat roles, a charge officials repeatedly refuted.


MILITARYTIMES

All combat jobs open to women in the military


Milley and Neller said no quotas for positions have been set. Mabus said that watering down physical standards is “unacceptable under the law, and unacceptable to me and every other senior leader in the Pentagon, because it would endanger not only the safety of Marines, but also the safety of our nation.”

But committee chairman Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., said military officials still have not provided enough study or implementation plans to justify the rapid changes laid out by military leaders.

“I am concerned that the department has gone about things backward,” he said. “This consequential decision was made and mandated before the military services could study its implications, and before any implementation plans were devised to address the serious challenges raised in studies.”

Sen. Joni Ernst, R-Iowa — the only female veteran on the Senate committee — said she fully supported the changes “as long as standards are not lowered” to boost the number of women in combat jobs or force them to meet quotas.

“We need to ensure we don’t set up men or women for failure,” she said. “It’s clear we need to ensure that we’re taking into account the impact this could have on women’s health.

Marine Corps officials had requested to leave some of their infantry and combat jobs closed to women, citing a service study showing concerns about unit effectiveness. Carter denied those requests.


MILITARYTIMES

Congress offers praise, wariness on women in combat

For many advocates, the controversy over women in combat jobs is an outdated debate.

Army leaders noted at Tuesday’s hearing that more than 9,000 women have already earned the Combat Action Badge for actions in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. More than 1,000 women have been killed or wounded in that fighting.

Leo Shane III covers Congress, Veterans Affairs and the White House for Military Times. He can be reached at lshane@militarytimes.com.

 

[Nowski]

Only when the American people, see dead women, coming back from the next war,
will they demand that this madness be put to an end.

Men and women are different physically. Sure there are some women out there,
that can beat the crap out of most men, but they are the exception.

The battlefield will provide the answer, the battlefield.

Regards to all,
Nowski

 

[Lurker]

Only when the American people, see dead women, coming back from the next war,
will they demand that this madness be put to an end.

Men and women are different physically. Sure there are some women out there,
that can beat the crap out of most men, but they are the exception.

The battlefield will provide the answer, the battlefield.

Regards to all,
Nowski

I dig ya Now but I don't think so. We've had women come back from Iraq dead or pretty screwed up and the public didn't bat an eye. Sad.

 

[Lurker]

Register them all and then start calling them up into 11B, that'll change things quick...... Then again.

 

[4RIVERS]

I love my country, but I love my daughter more. Given the current state of this nation we live in, unless we were attacked on our soil, I'd do whatever I had to do to keep her from getting drafted. I'm pretty old fashioned. The men fight the wars. If the women volunteer, so be it, but I don't support the draft of women. For that matter, I don't support the draft of anyone. If the cause isn't good enough for the people to stand and fight, then the nation should stay out of it.

 

[BetterLateThanNever]

Better yet....why don't these s.o.b.'s and the bankers volunteer their daughters to fight in these
needless wars.

I am so happy that my son's and daughter are just above the draft age so that they can't be sent to some god forsaken country to fight for the bankers and arms industry.

 

[MountainBiker]

Better yet....why don't these s.o.b.'s and the bankers volunteer their daughters to fight in these
needless wars.

I am so happy that my son's and daughter are just above the draft age so that they can't be sent to some god forsaken country to fight for the bankers and arms industry.

Back in medieval (and earlier) Scotland and England (and likely in many other places too) the aristocracy were expected to fight and to lead their men into battle from the front, not from arrears. The frequent wars exacted a heavy toll on the families of the landed nobility to the point that it was common for heirs to marry in their mid to late teens so as to better assure that there would be a next generation to maintain legal claim to the family's estates.

 

[Dennis Olson]

I love my country, but I love my daughter more. Given the current state of this nation we live in, unless we were attacked on our soil, I'd do whatever I had to do to keep her from getting drafted. I'm pretty old fashioned. The men fight the wars. If the women volunteer, so be it, but I don't support the draft of women. For that matter, I don't support the draft of anyone. If the cause isn't good enough for the people to stand and fight, then the nation should stay out of it.

So evidently you don't love your son that much? Interesting.

 

[Dennis Olson]

If womyn want equality in everything, they need to actually have it. In every way.

 

[naturallysweet]

That's one way to cause a baby boom

 

[Housecarl]

That's one way to cause a baby boom

Also initiate real change at the ballot box when the light bulb illuminates this in its entirety.

 

[4RIVERS]

So evidently you don't love your son that much? Interesting.

My wife and I only have one daughter, no son, but if I did I wouldn't want him to be drafted either.

 

[L.A.B.]

I've seen too many 19-23 year old males that are in desperate need of a manning up mentor. I think the lean green fighting machine will take their animated call of duty minds and introduce them to the 3D side of reality.

When we are physically invaded by AK's from foreign nationals in our streets, then we can practice and preach. Until then, we have to watch the PC changes agents turn our culture and tradition upside down.

Their are plenty of folks who need to experience the no ROE that they have attempted to breed out of us.

Not My Woman (unless you want total war)! Not Your's Either!

 

[bosifus]

I don't support any draft let alone one that takes the women of our nation away at the threat of imprisonment and has the potential to place them on a battlefield with a rifle in hand. Hopefully its a stunt by the brass to emphasize how idiotic it is that women are now being accepted into the SF's with re calibrated physical requirements of course.

 

[blueinterceptor]

Women in combat roles, brought to you by the Democratic Party

 

[Dennis Olson]

Don't forget the men being forced to wear pregnant bellies and march in high heels. Brought to you by the same twisted freaks.

 

[BetterLateThanNever]

My youngest son is an AMT in the Coast Guard serving aboard a Jayhawk helicopter and I am thankful that even though he puts his life on the line.....he is at least helping swimmers, boaters, ships in distress etc. and not putting it on the line in some useless fighting overseas.

 

[Dozdoats]

There are a certain number of senior officers these days who by rights should not have survived being second lieutenants.

 

[Lone_Hawk]

There are a certain number of senior officers these days who by rights should not have survived being second lieutenants.

They wouldn't have, but Bill Clinton damaged the officer ranks badly enough that they made it through and were advanced....

 

[MC2006]

I love my country, but I love my daughter more. Given the current state of this nation we live in, unless we were attacked on our soil, I'd do whatever I had to do to keep her from getting drafted. I'm pretty old fashioned. The men fight the wars. If the women volunteer, so be it, but I don't support the draft of women. For that matter, I don't support the draft of anyone. If the cause isn't good enough for the people to stand and fight, then the nation should stay out of it.

. AMEN

 

[Intestinal Fortitude]

http://www.couriermail.com.au/lifes...d/news-story/1ffe3581528e6d66294eec2864e2ca72


Colombia: The women soldiers leaving men terrified
February 2, 2016 5:42pm
Debra Killalea and wiresnews.com.au


Juliana, a 20-year-old rebel fighter for the 36th Front of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC, rests from a trek in the northwest Andes of Colombia, in Antioquia state.

THEY are young, strong and inflict fear in the men they fight against.

But these women are no ordinary fighters.

The women from the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or the FARC, are terrifying and show no mercy.
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The FARC fighters may wear lipstick, nail polish, and cuddle up to their boyfriends but that’s where any typical female stereotypes end.

As one special forces officer from Colombia’s National Police told The Washington Post, these rebel fighters are as far from nice as you can get.

“The women are the worst,” he said. “If you get captured, you pray it’s by the male rebels.”

He also revealed their brutal interrogation methods.

“They’re more ideological than the men. They’re merciless,” the unidentified officer said.

While women in hand-to-hand combat roles are not unheard of, they are very common among Colombia’s left-wing rebels.

There are an estimated 8000 rebel fighters, around a third of whom are women, whose aim is to install a Marxist regime.

The FARC have been at war with the government since fighting broke out in 1964, killing around 200,000 people, according to theBBC.

Rebel leaders, who espouse gender equality, claim having women among their ranks helps prevent homesickness among the men.

Marriage also isn’t allowed within the rebel ranks so the female fighters refer to their boyfriends as “partners”.

And while wedded bliss is out of the question, so apparently is pregnancy and children.

A BBC investigation last year revealed forced abortion is rife among the ranks as rebel leaders believe pregnancy hinders a woman’s fighting ability.

Lawyer General Eduardo Montealegre said the government was investigating more than 150 cases of forced terminations, something the rebels deny.

“We have evidence to prove that forced abortion was a policy of the FARC that was based on forcing a female fighter to abort so as not to lose her as an instrument of war,” he said.

Women fighters who have reportedly had children have given birth only to have their babies taken from them.

LIFE FOR WOMEN FIGHTERS

Within the FARC, life is far from easy for the women, and many, like Juliana, come from troubled backgrounds.

Like many of her comrades, she fled an impoverished home at age 16 and followed in the footsteps of an uncle after being raped by her stepfather.

All the women have dreams for the future, and for most loyalty to the FARC is absolute, despite gruelling living conditions in the jungle.

For mid-level commander of the 36th Front of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia Yira Castro, that is certainly the case.

After three decades in the jungle she told Associated Press that if peace does arrive the first thing she’ll do is take a trip alone with her boyfriend.

Then there is Cindy who is a field medic who joined the guerilla group when she was 18 years old. She also dreams of peace.

“If there is peace with the government, we will have to take up politics, teach the people and later reunite with family after so many years.” she said.

REBELS ‘OFF THE TERROR LIST’

Since being at war with the government, the FARC have controlled large amounts of territory, but have suffered setbacks in recent years.

Recent peace talks in Cuba hope to bring an end to a brutal and bloody war after more than 50 years of fighting once and for all.

Earlier this week, President Juan Manuel Santos asked the United States to remove the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia from its list of terrorist organisations and suspend drug warrants against guerilla commanders to help him seal a peace deal with Latin America’s oldest leftist insurgency.

In an interview days before a key visit to the White House, Mr Santos made a sweeping call for action from Washington in the more than three years of peace talks with the FARC rebels.

The peace talks taking place in Cuba have reached what both sides describe as a point of no return, with a final deal to end the bloodshed expected as early as March.

This week, the UN Security Council unanimously endorsed sending a mission to monitor an eventual accord, handing Mr Santos a diplomatic victory as he tries to drum up funding for what he said will be a 10 to 15 year effort to recover vast parts of the country he says had been ceded by the state to illegal armed groups.

Mr Santos said such a deal would mean the Obama administration could strike the FARC from a State Department list of terrorist organisations it has been on for almost two decades alongside such groups as al-Qaeda and the Islamic State.

The FARC, which as part of peace talks has already renounced kidnapping and declared a unilateral truce, has long demanded it be excluded.

 

[2Trish]

I am so tired of this nonsense. There are 2 sexes for a reason. They each have a purpose. Yes, there are occasions that they overlap but not as a rule by nature's (or whoever) design. If there is a draft of women then I see a population explosion. The one sure way to get out is to get pregnant. I like the idea of all young adults doing a 2 year service to the country but not necessarily in a combat zone. I think that should be volunteer service. The last thing you want next to you in combat is a person who doesn't want to be there. Maybe I'm wrong, it's late and I need to go to bed.

 

[mistaken1]

Register them all, why should the male chauvinist pigs be the only ones force under penalty of death to fight and die for bankers and businessmen?

 

[FREEBIRD]

I have two (son & daughter) of potential draft age.

NO DRAFT. Involuntary servitude is slavery, when it is clear that any draft would be to protect and enrich TPTB, not to "defend the country".

And the idea that in the event of women actually being drafted (not just registered), that women could avoid the draft by getting pregnant is a fantasy. At the very least, they'd order the women to report as soon as they healed up from delivery, and at worst, they'd impose mandatory abortion (China has been doing it for years for population control, and our ruling class loves the Chinese way).

 

[TerryK]

I am so tired of this nonsense. There are 2 sexes for a reason. They each have a purpose. Yes, there are occasions that they overlap but not as a rule by nature's (or whoever) design. If there is a draft of women then I see a population explosion. The one sure way to get out is to get pregnant. .

Women in the military have been doing that for the last 20 years in order to avoid deploying.

 

[Sasquatch]

Since 1977, when this government unconditionally pardoned the draft dodgers, I've vowed they will never force/draft any of my kids .. well grandchildren now.

 

[Josie]

I think this is a pretty boneheaded idea. But then again, I've thought that pretty much anything coming out of Dee Cee or the Pentagon lately has been boneheaded.

I have two sons and one daughter and I would never want any of them to go off to some far away place to fight and possibly die. But when my two sons manned up and registered, there was a small bit of me that was proud. They both understood what it meant to do so (I made sure of that.) but did it anyway. I am pretty sure that there were a few of friends of theirs that didn't. Now my daughter is a totally different ball of wax. Emotionally, she just doesn't have it in her to fight anyone unless she sees a loved one being threatened.

 

[ShadowMan]

Any society that does not protect it's Women and Children does not remain as a society for very long.

If this country is physically attacked....here, in North America, that's one thing, but I'm sick and tired of us bailing out other people elsewhere around the world that won't fight for themselves or even worse to support corporate greed and power around the globe. NOPE!!

Enough is enough!

That crap in Syria....is an ARAB PROBLEM and should be resolved by the friggin ARABS!! Not one single refugee should be allowed or accepted in any Christian country. IT'S AN ARAB ISSUE!! They need to step up to the plate and fix it!

European problems need to be fixed by EUROPEANS!! We shouldn't have to spend one American dime or one American life on fixing THEIR PROBLEMS!! Africa by Africans, South America by South Americans, etc., etc., etc., etc. Own your own problems and deal with them. That is the only way things will actually be resolved. All outside interference does is cloud up the issue and make things harder to deal with!

We have enough issues here at home that we need to address. No one else volunteers to help us....screw them! Let them fix their own problems and let us deal with our own issues. We need to stay out of everyone else's hair.

Family first - fix America first. Let the rest of the world sort out it's own problems.

 

[happyface78]

Equal rights, equal responsibilities. There should be no glass ceiling.

However, there should also be no such thing as a "draft". Involuntary servitude is slavery, regardless of one's gender.

 

[Bardou]

If womyn want equality in everything, they need to actually have it. In every way.

DH and I have discussed this and we both agree that if women want to be equal with men and demand it, then they should have to register for the draft.

 

[Housecarl]

They'd have to add "females" to Title 10, Chapter 13, section 311 definition of "Militia" and delete the reference to women enlisted in the National Guard to make it happen.....

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCOD...011-title10-subtitleA-partI-chap13-sec311.htm

10 U.S.C.
United States Code, 2011 Edition
Title 10 - ARMED FORCES
Subtitle A - General Military Law
PART I - ORGANIZATION AND GENERAL MILITARY POWERS
CHAPTER 13 - THE MILITIA
Sec. 311 - Militia: composition and classes
From the U.S. Government Printing Office, www.gpo.gov


§311. Militia: composition and classes

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

(b) The classes of the militia are—

(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and

(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

(Aug. 10, 1956, ch. 1041, 70A Stat. 14; Pub. L. 85–861, §1(7), Sept. 2, 1958, 72 Stat. 1439; Pub. L. 103–160, div. A, title V, §524(a), Nov. 30, 1993, 107 Stat. 1656.)

Historical and Revision Notes
1956 Act


Revised section

Source (U.S. Code)

Source (Statutes at Large)

311(a)
311(b)
32:1 (less last 19 words).
32:1 (last 19 words).
June 3, 1916, ch. 134, §57, 39 Stat. 197; June 28, 1947, ch. 162, §7 (as applicable to §57 of the Act of June 3, 1916, ch. 134), 61 Stat. 192.

In subsection (a), the words “who have made a declaration of intention” are substituted for the words “who have or shall have declared their intention”. The words “at least 17 years of age and * * * under 45 years of age” are substituted for the words “who shall be more than seventeen years of age and * * * not more than forty-five years of age”. The words “except as provided in section 313 of title 32” are substituted for the words “except as hereinafter provided”, to make explicit the exception as to maximum age.

In subsection (b), the words “The organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia” are substituted for the words “the National Guard, the Naval Militia”, since the National Guard and the Naval Militia constitute the organized militia.

1958 Act


Revised section

Source (U.S. Code)

Source (Statutes at Large)

311(a) 32 App.:1. July 30, 1956, ch. 789, §1, 70 Stat. 729.

The words “appointed as . . . under section 4 of this title” are omitted as surplusage.

Amendments

1993—Subsec. (a). Pub. L. 103–160 substituted “members” for “commissioned officers”.

1958—Subsec. (a). Pub. L. 85–861 included female citizens of the United States who are commissioned officers of the National Guard.

 

[TerryK]

They'd have to add "females" to Title 10, Chapter 13, section 311 definition of "Militia" and delete the reference to women enlisted in the National Guard to make it happen.....

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCOD...011-title10-subtitleA-partI-chap13-sec311.htm

True Dat.
But women didn't have the right to vote then either. They also had very limited property rights.

 

[MountainBiker]

I don't want to see anybody drafted, male or female, but if there is to be a draft, then absolutely women should be drafted too. Equality can't pick and choose only the parts that gives advantages. If women are not physically capable of doing everything in a military setting, not a problem. There is plenty of work to be done otherwise.

 

[Housecarl]

True Dat.
But women didn't have the right to vote then either. They also had very limited property rights.

I'm referencing the current Federal Law....

 

[Night Breeze]

question to the forum, how many of you guys out there were drafted, not just signed up. When I enlisted in 72 the draft was still very much alive. When we went to the mess hall (dining facility) the drill SGT asked if you were RA regular army AR Reserve NG National Guard and US draftee. I trained and went to combat with many of those guys and many of them reenlisted and made the military their career. Many were great soldiers and some even heroes. Agreed some wanted out and got out but that happened to all soldiers regardless of how they put on their uniform. The military will never draft because the standards to draft are not high enough to handle the sophisticated equipment of the modern battlefield. All said and done only a Liberal would have females in combat units as a requirement for political correctness. Politicians loose wars soldiers win them. I spent most of my 20 years in military in Infantry Division and spent most of that time in Cavalry Squadrons or Attack Helicopter Battalions. Only males were allowed because of the high threat of being killed in Combat scenarios. Again all of us knew the risks and took them gladly or we could look for different jobs. I guess I am prejudiced on this subject but then I wear the decorations and badges to prove I know what I am talking about.